| bluesabre | evening all | 00:10 |
|---|---|---|
| knome | hello bluesabre | 00:11 |
| bluesabre | hi knome | 00:11 |
| bluesabre | how's it going? | 00:11 |
| knome | not bad | 00:11 |
| knome | playing openttd (surprise!) | 00:11 |
| bluesabre | :O | 00:13 |
| knome | bedtime | 00:25 |
| knome | nighty! | 00:25 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre! | 00:43 |
| bluesabre | Unit193! | 01:47 |
| flocculant | woohoo here we go then ... locking appears to have changed | 07:11 |
| Unit193 | WFM! | 07:15 |
| sorinello_ | what locking ? | 07:15 |
| Unit193 | Session locking, by default uses light-locker and lightdm. | 07:16 |
| sorinello_ | ok, that locking | 07:16 |
| sorinello_ | what changed ? | 07:16 |
| Unit193 | Beats me, I use xscreensaver. | 07:16 |
| sorinello_ | old school. | 07:17 |
| flocculant | it locks ok | 07:19 |
| flocculant | just must lock differently now - cos music when locked :) | 07:19 |
| flocculant | check the non-bastardised install later I guess ... | 07:22 |
| sorinello_ | flocculant, the change you are talking about, comes from xfce upstream ? | 07:23 |
| flocculant | nope | 07:24 |
| flocculant | sorinello_: obviously I'm also not talking about 17.04,16.10 or 16.04 either ;) | 07:26 |
| flocculant | anyway - bbl | 07:26 |
| sorinello_ | I know. I was just wondering who made this change since it doesn't come from upstream | 07:27 |
| flocculant | ahah | 11:15 |
| flocculant | sussed that one then - so lock disables sound from pulseaudio | 11:15 |
| flocculant | if you happen to play through alsa - it doesn't :) | 11:16 |
| flocculant | wasn't using mpd and alsa last time I looked at locking ... | 11:16 |
| Spass | I'm installing daily on my laptop right now and I have an issue with step 3. (If on a 'laptop') Is plugged to a power source | 16:27 |
| Spass | I don't see that option during install preparation, only info about downloading updates and third-party software | 16:28 |
| Spass | oh wait... | 16:33 |
| Spass | yeah something is not right here, it doesn't detect my Windows installation either, I wanted to test "Install (auto-resize)" | 16:38 |
| Spass | so one question here - is it supposed to detect my Windows 7 installation (UEFI) when I booted USB with Legacy Boot option? | 16:40 |
| flocculant | Spass: I don't do uefi or secure boot - but I would suspect that it's not supposed to - try booting in uefi mode perhaps? | 16:47 |
| Spass | flocculant: ok, installation booted when I activated my USB drive to be visible as an option with UEFI boot, but to procedure is somewhat different now | 17:00 |
| Spass | I don't get 'Try Xubuntu' and 'Install Xubuntu' on welcome screen, instead I had to choose it on Grub menu | 17:01 |
| Spass | I assume that test case was prepared strictly for non-UEFI installs | 17:02 |
| Spass | but now it detects my Windows installation at least | 17:02 |
| Spass | 1) https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8qh4-wxxEZ7Zzl3aTdwemdwRm8 | 17:06 |
| Spass | 2) https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8qh4-wxxEZ7QjBzclU1RjhBZDg | 17:06 |
| Spass | that empty welcome screen 2) doesn't look inviting | 17:07 |
| flocculant | re grub - probably expected - can't be sure | 17:08 |
| flocculant | re welcome screen - seems like no network recognised | 17:08 |
| Spass | in the next step I connected to my wifi and when I come back to that screen I see small text on top "You may wish to read the release notes." but it still feels pretty empty there | 17:11 |
| flocculant | don't know what a different flavour sees when uefi/non uefi? | 17:11 |
| flocculant | well what do you want it to say? | 17:11 |
| flocculant | anyway - that's beyond our influence | 17:12 |
| Spass | nothing really, it just looks empty, and I know it's not important, sorry for "complaining" about small things | 17:13 |
| flocculant | not a problem - sometimes it's something we can affect :) | 17:14 |
| flocculant | biab | 17:14 |
| Spass | another question, I remember when I've installed Xubuntu some time ago I saw a screen with check marks about sufficient disk space, internet connection and plug-in to power | 17:28 |
| Spass | is this screen removed in the newer versions? | 17:29 |
| Spass | I'm asking because now I don't know where I should find an info about my laptop being plugged-in to power, according to 3. in this testcase http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/376/builds/147231/testcases/1301/results | 17:34 |
| Spass | "17. Click the Restart now button - GUI is shut down, a prompt to remove media and press Enter appears" | 17:38 |
| Spass | nope, after clicking restart I'm stuck on this screen https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8qh4-wxxEZ7YUtLZmdQMGFpdDQ/view | 17:39 |
| Spass | https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8qh4-wxxEZ7cnJ1TGFoLXJLUms - it would be nice to see Xubuntu instead of Ubuntu in the grub menu, but besides that everything works fine, both systems boot | 17:49 |
| flocculant | Spass: that screen with checkmarks went a while ago I believe | 18:10 |
| Spass | ok, I submitted my results on the tracker | 18:13 |
| flocculant | and not really sure about the power thing for laptops - don't have one | 18:13 |
| Spass | Passed, but with comments | 18:14 |
| flocculant | maybe grab a different iso - Ubuntu or something and see what that does | 18:14 |
| flocculant | could be they just show power in panel or indicator | 18:14 |
| flocculant | which would then be a testcase bug | 18:14 |
| Spass | during installation process I saw two indicators on top panel, sound and network, no power | 18:15 |
| Spass | I will try with Ubuntu 16.04 for example | 18:16 |
| flocculant | mmm - and with 17.04 - what did you see ? If you remember :) | 18:16 |
| Spass | I've upgraded my PC from 16.10, and when I lastly installed Xubuntu on my laptop I remember that screen with check marks, so it was probably 16.04 | 18:18 |
| Spass | and I think someone mentioned it already - double-tap functionality on my ALPS DualPoint TouchPad doesn't work out of the box, but it started working after I installed 'xserver-xorg-input-synaptics' package and rebooted | 18:39 |
| Spass | Ubuntu 16.04 installation shows I'm plugged-in on the top panel | 18:44 |
| flocculant | PaulW2U edited libinput.conf iirc | 18:45 |
| Spass | plus many other things that I didn't saw on Xubuntu 17.10, like Bluetooth icon, accessibility, keyboard layout | 18:46 |
| Spass | I'll check Ubuntu 17.04 now | 18:47 |
| flocculant | Spass: ok thanks - need to know if that's a regression | 18:47 |
| Spass | ehh, another ff crash :/ | 18:53 |
| flocculant | ... | 18:53 |
| flocculant | davmor2: on ubuntu 17.10 do you see power and bluetooth etc ? | 18:53 |
| flocculant | knome: sigh - why won't our wiki let me reset password :| | 18:59 |
| knome | flocculant, no idea... | 19:03 |
| knome | it's standard dokuwiki though | 19:03 |
| knome | pleia2, want to look if there's anything fishy in the sendmail/whatever conf? | 19:03 |
| flocculant | ftr - it sends me temp password, which works, go to profile - enter new, confirm it and current (temp) and it clears all fields | 19:04 |
| flocculant | worked the last time I forgot the password - before you two were doing whatever you were doing last week ;) | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | tsk, remember your password next time! | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | ;) | 19:05 |
| knome | that was just a migration to https, shouldn't affect... | 19:05 |
| flocculant | famous last words :D | 19:07 |
| pleia2 | unless there's hard coded http in dokuwiki for some reason, but that would be really awful | 19:07 |
| pleia2 | (maybe in a setting?) | 19:07 |
| knome | i can look... | 19:07 |
| flocculant | also it now forgets I was logged in ... | 19:08 |
| knome | can't see anything that's realted | 19:08 |
| knome | *related either | 19:08 |
| Spass | flocculant: I've just checked Ubuntu daily, I can see the all the icons during installation process | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | flocculant: I just reset my password via email with no problems, not sure what's going on for you :\ | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | changed password after I got a temp one | 19:12 |
| flocculant | Spass: ok cheers | 19:12 |
| * pleia2 shrugs | 19:12 | |
| flocculant | pleia2: mmm | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | anyway, woo new password that hasn't been shared over http 400 times | 19:13 |
| knome | ;) | 19:13 |
| pleia2 | (and I would recommend everyone update their wiki password now that we're using https) | 19:13 |
| Spass | plus this issue is present on Ubuntu AA too (when I try to 'shut down' from install) https://goo.gl/SYTIil | 19:13 |
| Spass | shut down on 16.04 worked fine, so I think this could be a regression | 19:13 |
| flocculant | Spass: that comes and goes ... | 19:13 |
| Spass | oh, ok | 19:14 |
| flocculant | there is a bug somewhere - check for one by davm or2 - he's a Canonical chappy | 19:14 |
| flocculant | you can add that to the iso tracker | 19:14 |
| flocculant | pleia2: I have - it's now something I have no chance of remembering - ever :| | 19:14 |
| flocculant | frankly - just another reason for me to not use this wiki - don't like it at the best of times ... | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | flocculant only uses websites that don't require passwords | 19:16 |
| flocculant | no - flocculant uses websites where he can change temp passwords ;) | 19:16 |
| knome | i just changed my password as well | 19:17 |
| knome | are you sure you don't press the "reset" button? | 19:17 |
| flocculant | oh d'oh | 19:20 |
| flocculant | was pressing the reset button ... not reading them - just assuming that muscle memory thing of yes being on the right | 19:22 |
| flocculant | still don't like the wiki even if I can change the password :p | 19:22 |
| knome | so... we're liking the wiki again? :P | 19:22 |
| flocculant | no | 19:22 |
| flocculant | still prefer the ubuntu one - don't much like the way bullets look to start with | 19:23 |
| flocculant | don't like that I can't put colours on things | 19:23 |
| flocculant | but heyho whatever | 19:24 |
| knome | i like that i don't have to wait 15 minutes to log in and 5 minutes for a page load even if it means we can't have a plugin-bloated wiki | 19:24 |
| flocculant | well yea - it does have at least 1 positive :D | 19:24 |
| Spass | flocculant: thank you for your patience, to summarise I had two small issues with Xubuntu AA install - only two indicators on the top panel (there are seven on Ubuntu) and Grub menu showing Ubuntu instead of Xubuntu after install | 19:25 |
| flocculant | anyway back to fighting with Friday's trasncript | 19:25 |
| Spass | I assume I should go with this now? http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/377/builds/146768/testcases | 19:25 |
| flocculant | Spass: ok so I would think missing power icon on aa is a problem < ochosi ? | 19:27 |
| flocculant | Spass: package tracker is there - but none of the testcases have been checked against current applications | 19:27 |
| Spass | yeah I think so, there should be some info about how much juice is left on battery | 19:28 |
| Spass | never used that accessibility menu, but I think that could be useful for someone too? | 19:28 |
| flocculant | Spass: if you wanted to do something awesomely helpful - you could run the mandatory testcases fro packages - and create bug reports for them ... that would be super helpful | 19:28 |
| flocculant | awesomely super even | 19:28 |
| Spass | you mean that testcases I pasted? or something in other place? | 19:31 |
| flocculant | you linked to the package tracker last | 19:31 |
| flocculant | none of those have been looked at for 2 cycles at least properly | 19:32 |
| Spass | ok, I can do that tomorrow, np | 19:32 |
| Spass | this is what I see on Ubuntu AA install - https://goo.gl/DtCBf1 | 19:32 |
| flocculant | Spass: no rush - there are loads of them :) | 19:32 |
| Spass | on Xubuntu - just sound and network | 19:32 |
| flocculant | just syncing my iso's | 19:33 |
| Spass | flocculant: I should do a fresh install tomorrow or I can test that packages on current install? don't know how often 'daily' changes | 19:35 |
| flocculant | you'll be fine testing on what you just installed :) | 19:35 |
| flocculant | when you find issues - and you will - please https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug for each testcase | 19:36 |
| flocculant | Spass: confirm the missing power plugin | 19:38 |
| flocculant | ochosi bluesabre - missing plugin when you 'just' install - what to report that against? plugin? indicators? panel? | 19:39 |
| flocculant | knome: have you 15 minutes between now and Thursday evening to read something? | 20:12 |
| knome | yes, for example now | 20:20 |
| knome | flocculant, are you using the DND feature with bugs? | 20:34 |
| flocculant | on the tracker? | 20:34 |
| knome | yep | 20:34 |
| flocculant | I do yea | 20:34 |
| knome | good :) | 20:34 |
| flocculant | well | 20:35 |
| knome | well? :D | 20:35 |
| flocculant | when it's possible - sometimes you find that the bug's so far down the list it doesn't always work very well - dragging it all the way up and hoping the browser pages for you | 20:35 |
| ochosi | flocculant: hm, thats odd, so the xfce4-power-manager panel plugin is missing? | 20:35 |
| knome | flocculant, right, yeah | 20:36 |
| flocculant | ochosi: ack - ONLY when you don't go to live desktop, so from the very first menu pick install or choose install from the try/install dialogue | 20:36 |
| ochosi | oh | 20:37 |
| ochosi | in that case that's expected and was always like tht | 20:37 |
| ochosi | that's the ubiquity panel, it has no power manager support (or the other way round) | 20:37 |
| flocculant | knome: also bear in mind the text is very very long already and I am not confident of getting done in one hour | 20:37 |
| knome | ack | 20:37 |
| ochosi | in theory we could have indicator-power displayed there, but i don't think it's really worth it | 20:37 |
| knome | though if it's copy-paste... | 20:37 |
| flocculant | ochosi: aah ok | 20:37 |
| knome | flocculant, and feel free to drop stuff i add | 20:37 |
| flocculant | knome: yea - but still time for people to discuss needed :) | 20:38 |
| knome | i don't mind if people stay on the channel after the session :) | 20:38 |
| flocculant | Spass: ^^ see ochosi's comments re power | 20:38 |
| flocculant | knome: me neither - but it's tiring running these things ;) | 20:38 |
| knome | yep | 20:41 |
| flocculant | that's of course assuming more than 1 person pitches up :D | 20:42 |
| knome | heh | 20:42 |
| knome | yeah | 20:42 |
| flocculant | less than two and I will just post the transcript on the mailing list :D | 20:43 |
| Spass | ochosi: IMHO it would be nice to see battery status during installation, especially since the screen with check marks (disk space, network connection and power) was removed | 20:43 |
| ochosi | Spass: yeah, it's not that easily possible i suppose | 20:43 |
| Spass | ochosi: I've checked Ubuntu AA daily, it displays all (7) icons on the top panel https://goo.gl/DtCBf1 | 20:45 |
| ochosi | yes, those are the indicators, because that's all the ubiquity panel supports | 20:46 |
| ochosi | so indicator-power to be exact for the battery | 20:46 |
| ochosi | but we don't really want that in the live session | 20:46 |
| ochosi | and i'm not sure we can easily scope it to the ubiquity session alone | 20:46 |
| Spass | ok, I understand | 20:46 |
| ochosi | tbh the ubiquity session is not *extremely* useful because the xubuntu live session isn't *that* heavy-weight in terms of resource consumption | 20:46 |
| ochosi | </personal_opinion> | 20:47 |
| knome | and to use xubuntu you'll need to have the resources anyway... | 20:48 |
| ochosi | yeah, although when running the live session, things are a little slower usually | 20:48 |
| knome | sure | 20:49 |
| Spass | ok, recommendation officially rejected then :) | 20:49 |
| ochosi | if we can make indicator-power only appear in the ubiquity session and not after install, it could be okay | 20:50 |
| ochosi | but imo it's questionable whether it's worth the effort | 20:50 |
| Spass | maybe previous Ubuntu/Xubuntu installations spoiled me, I always remember summary window with my 'status' (space, network, power) | 20:51 |
| Spass | but it's not a problem for me | 20:52 |
| ochosi | yeah, not sure why they dropped the page | 20:53 |
| ochosi | was maybe not altogether useless | 20:53 |
| flocculant | if Ubuntu has that power icon regardless of whether on desktop or just ubiquity - then perhaps they didn't think about it affecting other flavours | 20:53 |
| ochosi | ubuntu always uses indicator-power | 20:53 |
| ochosi | so for them it's a clear and easy path | 20:54 |
| ochosi | in theory we could make the xfce panel appear in the ubiquity session | 20:54 |
| ochosi | then we'd have a fully fledged panel and could throw in whatever we want | 20:54 |
| ochosi | but at the time when i considered that we decided to leave it as is for the resource savings | 20:55 |
| ochosi | and because then there'd be zarrrro difference between the two sessions :D | 20:55 |
| flocculant | :) | 20:57 |
| flocculant | apart from the power thingymajig :p | 20:58 |
| Spass | leaving it as it is and adding just indicator-power is an option to consider in the future? as low priority of course | 20:59 |
| flocculant | Spass: what we also have to bear in mind is that we don't know what Ubuntu will decide about indicators now they're moving to Gnome - that was something that was possibly up in the air a while back | 21:00 |
| flocculant | at which point possibly ochosi will pull all his hair out :p | 21:01 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's a good reminder | 21:01 |
| ochosi | we should poke Laney or Trevinho | 21:02 |
| flocculant | to buy glue? | 21:02 |
| flocculant | aah that reminder :) | 21:02 |
| ochosi | if any of you are around during the day, that'd be a great thing to do | 21:02 |
| flocculant | generally not at the moment | 21:02 |
| flocculant | or not for long at least | 21:02 |
| flocculant | ochosi: I'll try tomorrow morning if I see trevinho | 21:03 |
| ochosi | cool, thanks | 21:03 |
| flocculant | I think they're online about the right time for me then | 21:03 |
| flocculant | or at least were today ;) | 21:04 |
| flocculant | ochosi: might be worth us working out the things that might possibly affect us so we have some list somewhere | 21:04 |
| flocculant | I believe the lightdm convo went quiet | 21:05 |
| ochosi | mhm | 21:05 |
| ochosi | i hope at least that one will stick around | 21:05 |
| flocculant | yea - I think Robert does too :) | 21:06 |
| ochosi | if indicators go south, then we only have a problem with indicator-application, cause that helps with the integration of several apps | 21:06 |
| flocculant | yup | 21:06 |
| ochosi | but indicator-sound we could in theory replace | 21:06 |
| ochosi | and indicator-messages we could possibly live without | 21:06 |
| flocculant | I have had the xfce pa plugin here which works - but obviously doesn't list music apps | 21:06 |
| flocculant | right | 21:06 |
| ochosi | yeah, doesnt do that | 21:07 |
| flocculant | s/have had/still have | 21:07 |
| encomjones | losing the indicators would be no big deal | 21:07 |
| ochosi | but at least it's ok sound control | 21:07 |
| flocculant | yea | 21:07 |
| flocculant | that works fine | 21:07 |
| flocculant | (when I'm using pulse :D) | 21:07 |
| Spass | I was recently testing my 17.04 without indicators for a day or two, just to check if I need them as much as I think, and yeah - loosing them won't be a big deal, that said - I really like them | 21:10 |
| flocculant | knome: finished? | 21:12 |
| knome | soon... soon | 21:12 |
| encomjones | coming from debian I never used them before so I just remove them anyway | 21:12 |
| flocculant | knome: ok - well I'm off up the wooden hill now :) thanks for looking there, I'll go back there tomorrow evening | 21:13 |
| knome | no worries | 21:13 |
| knome | nighty! :) | 21:13 |
| flocculant | I think the only indicator I use is the message one - and only to see if I'm bothered enough to read the mail yet | 21:14 |
| flocculant | anyway - stairs for me :) | 21:14 |
| flocculant | night all | 21:14 |
| Unit193 | -application isn't all that important since packages generally fallback to trayicon, -sound I'd say is a little more so, but -pa-plugin makes it not too bad. | 21:33 |
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