[00:13] <vimes> any one know how I can update KDE Connect so that I can send SMSs from it?
[00:26] <Taggnostr> hello
[00:27] <Taggnostr> my kubuntu 17.04 already froze twice this evening -- cursor won't move, ctrl+alt+F1 won't work, num lock led not responsive, audio of the last second playing in loop -- and I have to hard reset it by pressing the power button.  Is there anything I can do to debug the problem (either now or during the freeze)?
[00:46] <Oderus> hi. having issues with Muon Discover. It never seems to work right.. updates just sit there waiting to be installed. says installing but never actually installs them. also any selected packages dont end up getting installed either. what am i missing?
[01:22] <user|44005> good day
[02:50] <viewer|jooo> hello from brooklyn
[06:46] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:18] <user|66601> hello
[07:18] <user|66601> guys
[07:32] <Ziggy> Hi
[07:32] <hateball> hello
[08:20] <tiyteeze> Hey guys, I am currently running kubuntu 16.04. Is there a way to get the global menu ? (I've seen it in Manjaro but was not able to get it in Kubuntu)
[08:22] <hateball> isnt that in plasma 5.9, which afaik isnt backported to 16.04 yet
[08:22]  * hateball pokes acheronuk for confirmation
[08:23] <acheronuk> correct. we are staying on plasma 5.8 LTS for 16.04 LTS backports
[08:24] <hateball> tiyteeze: ^
[08:25] <tiyteeze> hateball: Ok. I was not aware of that. I thought it was plasma 5.9. Thanks
[09:14] <kustodian> I was trying to install Kubuntu besides an already installed windows (I left a lot of free space on the drive) but with encrypted LVM
[09:15] <kustodian> to do that I had to do a custom partition setup, so I created an EFI partitions, then a boot one and then selected the LVM for encryption (or however it's called)
[09:16] <kustodian> the problem is that LVM for encryption creates an encrypted LVM and one partition in it which I can only choose to be root and ext4, I cannot create swap on the encrypted LVM
[09:16] <kustodian> is that a limitation of the installer, or I'm doing something wrong
[09:17] <hateball> Hmmm
[09:17] <hateball> kustodian: You may have to be patient for an answer to that one I guess
[09:18] <kustodian> hateball: because only a few people might have an answer to that question?
[09:18] <hateball> kustodian: Yea :)
[09:18] <kustodian> yesterday my colleague installed ubuntu and as far as I can see it's the exact same limitation
[09:18] <hateball> I personally neither dualboot or use EFI in any of my setups
[09:19] <kustodian> so we just installed the system without swap :D
[09:19] <hateball> Well, who even uses swap :p
[09:19] <hateball> I think the 17.04 installer (at least Ubuntu) uses a swap file rather than swap partition now
[09:19] <kustodian> The laptop has a lot of RAM, so it probably will never be needed, and you can always install swap as a file on the file system
[09:19] <kustodian> it was 16.04
[09:20] <kustodian> he wanted LTS
[09:20] <kustodian> aha
[09:20] <hateball> I guess if you want encrypted swap... dunno how you solve that with a file
[09:20] <kustodian> so 17.04 uses a file for swap anyway
[09:20] <hateball> Yea
[09:20] <hateball> kustodian: http://blog.surgut.co.uk/2016/12/swapfiles-by-default-in-ubuntu.html
[09:20] <kustodian> well I installed the latest kubuntu with default encryption setup and swap is a partitons on crypt
[09:22] <hateball> Alright
[09:22] <kustodian> so on LVM it will still use a logical volume
[09:22] <hateball> So it seems
[09:22] <hateball> I havent done a clean install in forever, and I use a very simple setup so I cant offer much help I'm afraid :{
[09:23] <hateball> dont even use LVM on my workstation :p
[09:23] <kustodian> on LVM they are using logical volumes because LV snapshots cannot exclude swap, but I don't care about snapshots on a desktop :D
[09:23] <kustodian> hateball: well I need encryption because of work
[09:24] <hateball> kustodian: Sure, I understand that
[09:24] <hateball> which is why I said, at this idle hour, you may need to wait for someone that knows more about that type of setup :)
[09:24] <kustodian> I'll probably install it like that, then resize root partitons and create swap in it :)
[09:24] <kustodian> I'll wait, no hurry
[09:24] <kustodian> thx
[14:51] <deeno> It works great. What should I do for a gnome flavored ubuntu to get wayland?
[14:56] <deeno> What are the advantages of wayland other than speed?
[14:57] <yossarianuk> deeno
[14:57] <yossarianuk> deeno: security
[14:57] <deeno> robustness?
[14:58] <deeno> I guess x11 isn't very secure.
[14:58] <yossarianuk> deeno: dpi also
[14:58] <yossarianuk> deeno: This is several years old - but I suggest reading this -> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=x_wayland_situation&num=1
[14:58] <deeno> dots per inch?
[14:58] <hateball> deeno: fwiw, I think mgraesslin and the other plasma folk dev primarily against wayland these days
[14:59] <hateball> which would explain that it actually works pretty good
[14:59] <deeno> more like for rather than against. I wish reithen was still an english word.
[15:00] <deeno> I hate Konqueror. Give a me a good reason not remove it.
[15:01] <hateball> :)
[15:04] <deeno> though firefox sux in microsoft form, it is miles better than linux knockoff browser. admitedly brave, vivaldi, are worthy, but chrome sux except in windows, and I don't like chrome.
[15:04] <deeno> chrome will crash your linux kernel for u, and thy session.
[15:04] <hateball> mhm
[15:05]  * hateball looks at all his chromiums running most gloriously
[15:06] <deeno> perhaps my chrome was too pure. but that would be the point of chrome getting infected inconveniently. Maybe macusers will love it.
[15:06] <deeno> apple 2e emulators for linux?
[15:07] <deeno> i will google anyway
[15:08] <deeno> the important thing is to always save your passwords so they can be stolen by viruses.
[15:14] <deeno> Take Your Apple2 right out from Steve Jobs hands! <-- awesome quote
[15:20] <tyrog> Hi, is it possible to integrate GTK menus in the Plasma Global Menu widget? Tnx
[15:26] <tyrog> Like Firefox and Libreoffice
[15:48] <tyrog> Hi, is it possible to integrate GTK menus in the Plasma Global Menu widget? Like Firefox and Libreoffice. Thanks
[17:47] <starcraftman> Hello, I've got a serious HDD issue that was the result of error during partitioning. When I connect the drive, I get the following: https://imgur.com/a/DxU5X
[17:47] <starcraftman> The kernel seems to freeze immediately after connection. Is there something I can do?
[18:06] <lordievader> starcraftman: There is no possibility of zeroing the first 2048 sectors?
[18:09] <starcraftman> Well I would do that but the system locks up on connect... can I somehow prevent the kernel from probing it?
[18:09] <starcraftman> There isn't any important data so wiping it is fine.
[18:10] <lordievader> Hmm, yeah that is troublesome. What happens when you boot the machine with the drive attached?
[18:11] <Walex> starcraftman: ah interesting. You just need to attach the drive in a way that says "don't read the partition table".
[18:12] <Walex> starcraftman: I am trying to remember how to do that...
[18:13] <Walex> starcraftman: which is called a "label" in Linux
[18:14] <starcraftman> Walex: That sounds like the right thing, if you've instructions I'll try it.
[18:16] <Walex> starcraftman: I am looking, it is likely a kernel boot param...
[18:17] <Walex> starcraftman: indeed, it is "ignore_partitions=sda"
[18:17] <starcraftman> awesome, I'll go try that.
[18:17] <starcraftman> Walex: thanks
[18:17] <Walex> starcraftman: oopsd
[18:18] <Walex> starcraftman: not sure it made into the kernel, checking
[18:18] <starcraftman> oh ok
[18:22] <Walex> starcraftman: this might work: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/block/cmdline-partition.txt
[18:27] <starcraftman> Walex: So like: blkdevparts=sda:1m[@0](wipe)
[18:27] <Walex> starcraftman: something like that...
[18:27] <Walex> starcraftman: seems good to me
[18:28] <Walex> there was a specific thing to avoid reading the partition table, but I can't remember it
[18:29] <Walex> I had that figured out because someone had put a filesystem on an unpartitined disk, and this caused a lot of kernel warning messages at boot, but I have forgotten.
[18:50] <Walex> starcraftman: did that work?
[18:56] <starcraftman> Walex: Well used a live cd and the bad disk, after editing boot opts and going with livecd it got to the litle loading dots. Now screen gone blank.
[19:01] <starcraftman> trying again
[19:06] <user|35788> kubuntu 17.04 is problem with wifi connection
[19:06] <user|35788> please help
[19:07] <user|35788> can you hear me?
[19:08] <mgolden_> user|35788: Try asking a more specific question
[19:08] <user|35788> kubuntu 17.04
[19:08] <user|35788> wifi connection problem
[19:08] <user|35788> you help me
[19:12] <starcraftman> Walex: Started in compatability mode this time, getting: Out of memory, kill process (systemd-udevd) over and over
[19:12] <user|15943> merhaba kubuntuda wifi a bağlantı sorunu var
[19:12] <user|15943> sürüm 17.04
[19:12] <Walex> starcraftman: you should boot in single user mode without 'udev'
[19:14] <user|15943> kablosuz ağı görüyor ama bağlanmıyor
[19:15] <user|15943> kablosuz bağlantı için troubleshoot yöntemi varmı
[19:16] <mgolden_> user|15943: You need to describe what your problem is. If someone knows what to tell you he will explain
[19:16] <user|15943> kubuntu 17.04 is wifi connection problem
[19:16] <mgolden_> user|35788: You need to describe in detail what your problem is. If someone knows what to tell you he will explain
[19:17] <user|15943> yardım edin
[19:18] <user|15943> Linuxmeister wifi connection problem with me
[19:18] <user|15943> help
[19:20] <Linuxmeister> What sorta problem
[19:20] <Linuxmeister> I'm no expert at troubleshooting
[19:26] <starcraftman> Walex: Don't think this working, gonna go google for something else. Seems like bad mbr/partitions not handled very well...
[19:30] <starcraftman> Thanks for trying though
[20:57] <deeno> MonoDevelop crashes on me when I create a project. What to do?
[20:59] <deeno> MonoDevelop crashes on me when I create a project. What to do?
[21:02] <deeno> I think I need flatpak.
[21:03] <deeno> I am so glad Canonical will think of these things in the future.
[21:12] <deeno> actually it seem mono is gnomer only.
[22:35] <deeno> What are the problems with MonoDevelop?
[22:35] <Y2K> ?
[22:35] <Y2K> have you done any reaserch on ur own?
[22:37] <deeno> It has bugs and wil not force the user to use the program in a bug free way. Give it an exception, and it decides to crash itself. Perhaps I should use it in a windows enviroment more. But I hate cygwin.
[22:38] <Y2K> that doesnt answer my question
[22:39] <deeno> I try to create a solution and a project together and it crashes everytime for every attempt. It doesn't how you need source files first. This is very annoying. It could just ignore me, instead of crashing. It isn't canonical fault that they didn't know the program was glitchy.
[22:40] <deeno> *Canonical's
[22:40] <gogo_ubuntu> Guys I need help urgently! I installed kde-neon and now windows 10 is not shown in boot options...PLZ
[22:40] <Y2K> are you just here to talk to yourself?
[22:41] <Y2K> gogo_ubuntu: try installing and running boot repair?
[22:41] <deeno> gogo: do you have your windows 10 key, and the ability to look at your NTFS partition.
[22:41] <gogo_ubuntu> Key...Nope...NTFS partition yes
[22:41] <gogo_ubuntu> I installed it on an EXT4 partition so I know I didnt mess with the windows partition
[22:42] <deeno> gogo: if you have a laptop, you don't need to worry as much about the key.
[22:42] <Y2K> if its windows 10 you dont need to worry about the key at all
[22:43] <Y2K> look up boot repair in the software center
[22:43] <deeno> I wonder if boot repair requires special knowledge. Anyway, retreive your file with Linux at the very least. You may need to start over.
[22:44] <deeno> Y2K: Not true at all. If your previous copy was windows 7, and you have a tower; you will be screwed.
[22:46] <Y2K> uh no.   if you have already installed win10 EVER, it will register its self.  you dont even need to know your key
[22:46] <gogo_ubuntu> ^^ that
[22:46] <deeno> There are cheap Mecos which are excess OEM keys. You try buying an install drive. It does seem to work, but you may need to call microsoft. I hope nobody cares that I like Microsoft and Linux.
[22:46] <gogo_ubuntu> dunno why key is relevant though since I cant even boot into it
[22:46] <linuxmeister> windows
[22:46] <linuxmeister> le gag
[22:47] <deeno> Both. I distrust Apple and its crap operating systems.
[22:47] <deeno> windows me?
[22:47] <Y2K> #kubuntu ?
[22:48] <deeno> gogo: you can boot into a DVD drive or USB drive. Not a problem, but you need to show ownership.
[22:48] <Y2K> just drop it. you dont know what you are talking about and its not relevant to #kubuntu
[22:48] <deeno> Y2K: Yes, Kubuntu is awesome in plasma wayland.
[22:50] <deeno> A microsoft key means your copy of MS windows. Otherwise you should get an SSD and use Linux.
[22:50] <Y2K> u r dum
[22:51] <deeno> dum about what? Mac OS X is unforgivable, and sux.
[22:53] <deeno> Aren't you here to tell me why I am dum? come on, at least, you should not prove you are also a more-on.
[22:54] <krytarik> Has quit.
[22:57] <deeno> what is your favorite desktop managers?
[22:59] <linuxmeister> plasma is very gut
[23:00] <XRS1> i havent run kubuntu since 2012
[23:00] <XRS1> im likng what i see
[23:01] <linuxmeister> 2012
[23:01] <linuxmeister> where have you been all yer life
[23:01] <XRS1> windows
[23:01] <linuxmeister> ew
[23:02] <XRS1> linux wont let me above 1024x768 unless i buy  new PC
[23:03] <XRS1> it no like my GPU
[23:03] <linuxmeister> then get new pc
[23:03] <linuxmeister> you need an upgrade
[23:04] <deeno> I need a old version of MonoDevelop. The latest is very unstable.
[23:04] <XRS1> why dont you go to launchpad?
[23:04] <deeno> xrs1: why not
[23:05] <XRS1> are you asking me why dont you dont take it to launchpad?
[23:05] <deeno> I am taking your advice. that's all
[23:07] <deeno> are they the developers of sad IDE?
[23:07] <XRS1> WHOA!!!!!   Kubuntu acknowledges the windows key/button
[23:08] <XRS1> AWESOME
[23:08] <XRS1> i dont have to set it up myself
[23:11] <deeno> It isn't doing it for me. I don't why. perhaps it is wayland.
[23:13] <deeno> I remember being able to get the start menu to launch with the window key.
[23:17] <XRS1> poop.    ptokax is no in the software center
[23:17] <XRS1> thats like the only thing i want out of a PC