| cmaloney | morning | 11:31 |
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| rick_h | morning | 11:44 |
| rick_h | how was the dark web? | 11:44 |
| cmaloney | Pretty good. Video is posted up (will get it up on the site shortly) | 12:13 |
| cmaloney | But yeah, was a really good talk, and somewhat eye-opening | 12:13 |
| jrwren | now you know where to buy drugs? | 12:27 |
| wolfger | heh | 12:30 |
| wolfger | I didn't see you at Dark Web cmaloney | 12:30 |
| cmaloney | 2 | 12:32 |
| cmaloney | wolfger: ? | 12:32 |
| wolfger | I'm assuming you're talking about the pcon panel | 12:32 |
| cmaloney | No, I'm talking about the MUG talk from last night | 12:33 |
| wolfger | ah | 12:33 |
| cmaloney | You would have had to work pretty hard not to see me. :) | 12:33 |
| wolfger | now I'm curious if it was the same presentation | 12:33 |
| cmaloney | Scot? | 12:33 |
| wolfger | I don't recall | 12:33 |
| wolfger | darknet on freenode, or some such? | 12:34 |
| cmaloney | Nah, this was through Tor and onion URLs | 12:35 |
| wolfger | not seeing the point of a darknet for any licit activity... but you never know when they'll make F/OSS illicit. ;-) | 12:35 |
| cmaloney | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbDFrKxU5eY | 12:35 |
| jrwren | sounds like 2 different darknets | 12:36 |
| jrwren | err | 12:36 |
| jrwren | darkweb v. darknet | 12:36 |
| jrwren | darknet traditionally is unused IP space | 12:36 |
| jrwren | darkweb is websites on alt network, usually this means tor | 12:36 |
| cmaloney | Doing office hours if anyone wants to join: https://meet.jit.si/TactfulBaboonsPaintAnywhere | 14:16 |
| shakes808 | cmaloney: that's cool, but can't do that at work :( | 14:33 |
| cmaloney | No worries | 14:34 |
| shakes808 | cmaloney: any luck with any prospects? did that site linked last week yield anything for you? | 14:53 |
| cmaloney | shakes808: Not a whole lot shaking | 14:58 |
| cmaloney | Have an interview this afternoon, so we'll see how that lands | 14:58 |
| cmaloney | But for the most part it's either get front-end development experience quickly or figure something else out | 14:58 |
| shakes808 | where is your interview today? | 15:18 |
| cmaloney | at home | 15:20 |
| cmaloney | call in interview | 15:20 |
| shakes808 | cool, is it a wfh place? | 15:20 |
| cmaloney | ideally. | 15:20 |
| brousch__ | Stupid frontend. Are all of the backends done? | 15:21 |
| shakes808 | fantastic! good luch | 15:21 |
| shakes808 | luck* | 15:21 |
| brousch__ | Now that everything is a (backend) service most of the work is making frontends for web+ios+android | 15:22 |
| cmaloney | shakes808: Thank you. | 15:30 |
| cmaloney | brousch__: It's because they don't want to pay two people to do one job | 15:30 |
| shakes808 | is it a python gig like you want? | 15:30 |
| cmaloney | so you get to drift between the front-end and the back-end like a ninja, in an effortless dance | 15:31 |
| cmaloney | shakes808: Ideally | 15:31 |
| cmaloney | Right now I'm nto sure what I want | 15:31 |
| shakes808 | There are a lot of .NET jobs out there, supposedly. I am getting lit up by recruiters for a job in Allen Park, Detroit, and Troy. I think all .NET or JAVA | 15:31 |
| cmaloney | a guarantee that it's going to be OK | 15:31 |
| cmaloney | that's what I really want. | 15:31 |
| cmaloney | that I can find my place in this crazy topsy-turvy world | 15:32 |
| cmaloney | that's what I want | 15:32 |
| widox | I've been poking around at listings recently. seems that 90% of them are for Ruby devs | 15:34 |
| cmaloney | widox: That's weird | 15:34 |
| cmaloney | I've not seen that | 15:34 |
| cmaloney | (maybe I haven't looked at that angle) | 15:35 |
| cmaloney | Most of what I'm seeing is "We'd really like you to know three languages including Python" | 15:35 |
| cmaloney | "and we'd really like you to know Go" | 15:35 |
| widox | SO jobs, GitHub jobs and such | 15:36 |
| widox | yeah, Go/Python always seem to be paired | 15:36 |
| widox | and React all the things | 15:36 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, it's all React now | 15:37 |
| cmaloney | I swear I'm going to have to make my own job | 15:37 |
| cmaloney | but I lack the courage | 15:37 |
| widox | cmaloney: also have https://weworkremotely.com/ in my list | 15:37 |
| widox | heh | 15:37 |
| brousch__ | I wonder if the Go+Python is due to people replacing old Python code with Go | 15:40 |
| jrwren | brousch__: probably. so sad. they could just move to pypy and be faster :p | 15:46 |
| brousch__ | I dug into motivations for our change here some more. They don't want to move to Python3, and like Go packaging much better. | 15:47 |
| brousch__ | The speed improvement is nice, but not a primary motivation | 15:48 |
| cmaloney | That it's a Google language is likely part of the motivation | 15:52 |
| cmaloney | I'm also seeing a lot more C | 15:52 |
| cmaloney | it's all about speed now | 15:53 |
| cmaloney | If Android wasn't based around Java I'm sure we'd see less Java as well | 15:53 |
| brousch__ | Yes | 15:56 |
| jrwren | definitely. | 15:59 |
| jrwren | there will always be the JVM diehards. | 15:59 |
| jrwren | crazy people like netflix :p | 15:59 |
| shakes808 | jrwren: netflix == no commercials :) | 17:07 |
| jrwren | huh? | 17:08 |
| jrwren | context shakes808. context! | 17:08 |
| rick_h | wait a minute?! they LIKE the go packaging better? | 17:11 |
| rick_h | that's the single most horrible part of Go | 17:11 |
| rick_h | like makes me want to commit felony offenses level of horrible | 17:11 |
| cmaloney | heh | 17:11 |
| cmaloney | rick_h: AFAICT we entered bizarro world in 2012 | 17:12 |
| cmaloney | where down is up, left is right | 17:12 |
| cmaloney | Go packaging is perfect | 17:12 |
| cmaloney | Python 3 is terrible | 17:12 |
| rick_h | yea, I think someone's high there | 17:12 |
| cmaloney | and I'm contemplating a career yelling at pidgeons in the park | 17:12 |
| shakes808 | jrwren: :( sorry, i am not in the know on that :( | 17:13 |
| rick_h | maybe they're saying that they like shipping go build tools since it's just shipping a binary | 17:13 |
| rick_h | not the packaging for development, but the delivery | 17:13 |
| shakes808 | cmaloney: what is wrong with python 3? | 17:13 |
| cmaloney | Can say the same for C code | 17:14 |
| cmaloney | shakes808: In bizarro world Python 3 is horrible | 17:14 |
| jrwren | i don't have an issue with go packaging. I actually agree that it is highly supperior to many things. :) | 17:14 |
| jrwren | keep in mind, i pretty much hate go :) | 17:15 |
| brousch__ | rick_h: Yes, delivery | 18:27 |
| jrwren | ah delivery. | 18:27 |
| jrwren | I'm REALLY GOOD at python delivery, so while I don't have the challenges... I can see why it might be a challenge :p | 18:27 |
| jrwren | esp since I'm dealing with a python delivery issue RIGHT NOW! :) | 18:28 |
| brousch__ | We build packages for red hat 5 and 7, ubuntu 12.04 14.04 16.04, and FBSD 11 | 18:29 |
| jrwren | rh5?!? | 18:30 |
| jrwren | zomg, yes, that is hell. | 18:30 |
| brousch__ | The old stuff is being phased out, but of course updates for our stuff still go there until it's completely gone | 18:31 |
| brousch__ | FBSD 10.something too | 18:32 |
| cmaloney | Well, on the plus side my interview was with someone who goes to PyOhio | 18:33 |
| cmaloney | so that was nice | 18:33 |
| rick_h | cmaloney: <3 | 18:33 |
| rick_h | cmaloney: network baby! | 18:33 |
| cmaloney | Unfortunately he's not going to make it this year | 18:33 |
| rick_h | boooo | 18:34 |
| cmaloney | But yeah, the whole "how do you keep up" question... | 18:34 |
| cmaloney | "Well, PyOhio for starters..." | 18:34 |
| cmaloney | Though my first thought was "I haven't, which is why I'm still looking for work..." | 18:35 |
| cmaloney | le sigh | 18:35 |
| cmaloney | But hey, water under the bridge, right? https://youtu.be/NXPNWFBd3h8?t=20s | 18:38 |
| cmaloney | ;) | 18:38 |
| jrwren | brousch__: did they ever consider bundling their app with python instead of system python? | 18:41 |
| jrwren | at some point, libc is always the common point, and so it is easier to remove anything that gets in your way. | 18:41 |
| jrwren | linux+libc as the foundation is a powerful POV which I feel we all forget too oftne. | 18:41 |
| brousch__ | I don't know. The move to Go started 2 years ago, and I've been here 4 months | 18:41 |
| brousch__ | And it's not part of my group | 18:42 |
| jrwren | yeah. and the old stuff is probably on limp along support, not investing in improvement? | 18:42 |
| brousch__ | Well it's being replaced piece-by-piece | 18:43 |
| shakes808 | cmaloney: for your podcast, have you tried getting local talent to play ? I am sure they would be willing to get some air play :) | 19:10 |
| cmaloney | Sure, if they're open to doing CC-licensed material. :) | 19:11 |
| cmaloney | I'm only aware of a few MI bands that have released CC | 19:11 |
| cmaloney | The Armed, Archana | 19:12 |
| shakes808 | not sure, i have been out of the local scene for a long time ( > 10 years since i stopped playing out ) but wouldn't hurt to do some "research" and go to some local venues and talk to them :) | 19:19 |
| cmaloney | shakes808: Possibly | 19:20 |
| cmaloney | shakes808: I don't tend to go to shows though. :) | 19:20 |
| shakes808 | ... :) I can be that liaison :) I like to support the local scene. just need to figure out where they are playing now-a-days | 19:22 |
| shakes808 | i can probably get in contact with some of the bands i used to play with. | 19:22 |
| cmaloney | Tell them o put their stuff on Bandcamp with a CC license and we're good-to-go. ;) | 19:22 |
| shakes808 | Will do :) | 19:23 |
| cmaloney | tx | 19:24 |
| cmaloney | I mean, there's a bunch of really great metal bands from Detroit | 19:24 |
| shakes808 | this is one of the bands that my band played with | 19:24 |
| shakes808 | https://goo.gl/JUU3My | 19:24 |
| cmaloney | Temple of Void, Black Dahlia Murder | 19:24 |
| shakes808 | not sure if they are heavy enough for you :) | 19:24 |
| cmaloney | I don't mind groove metal | 19:25 |
| cmaloney | https://saprogenic.bandcamp.com/album/expanding-toward-collapsed-lungs | 19:25 |
| shakes808 | https://goo.gl/mIbZGI | 19:25 |
| shakes808 | and this one | 19:25 |
| cmaloney | Bit a lot of them are signed | 19:26 |
| cmaloney | shakes808: Nice! | 19:26 |
| shakes808 | I know a local recording studio as well, I can talk to :) | 19:27 |
| cmaloney | Oh, Battlecross as well | 19:29 |
| cmaloney | (Still amazed that Trevor Strnad of TBDM follows me on Twitter) | 19:32 |
| cmaloney | But I think he also follows half the damn place. :) | 19:32 |
| shakes808 | haha with talking music here and with a co-worker, i am listening to things that I forgot about :) | 20:41 |
| shakes808 | https://goo.gl/y6a8pf | 20:41 |
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