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cmaloneymorning11:31
rick_hmorning11:44
rick_hhow was the dark web?11:44
cmaloneyPretty good. Video is posted up (will get it up on the site shortly)12:13
cmaloneyBut yeah, was a really good talk, and somewhat eye-opening12:13
jrwrennow you know where to buy drugs?12:27
wolfgerheh12:30
wolfgerI didn't see you at Dark Web cmaloney12:30
cmaloney212:32
cmaloneywolfger: ?12:32
wolfgerI'm assuming you're talking about the pcon panel12:32
cmaloneyNo, I'm talking about the MUG talk from last night12:33
wolfgerah12:33
cmaloneyYou would have had to work pretty hard not to see me. :)12:33
wolfgernow I'm curious if it was the same presentation12:33
cmaloneyScot?12:33
wolfgerI don't recall12:33
wolfgerdarknet on freenode, or some such?12:34
cmaloneyNah, this was through Tor and onion URLs12:35
wolfgernot seeing the point of a darknet for any licit activity... but you never know when they'll make F/OSS illicit. ;-)12:35
cmaloneyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbDFrKxU5eY12:35
jrwrensounds like 2 different darknets12:36
jrwrenerr12:36
jrwrendarkweb v. darknet12:36
jrwrendarknet traditionally is unused IP space12:36
jrwrendarkweb is websites on alt network, usually this means tor12:36
cmaloneyDoing office hours if anyone wants to join: https://meet.jit.si/TactfulBaboonsPaintAnywhere14:16
shakes808cmaloney: that's cool, but can't do that at work :(14:33
cmaloneyNo worries14:34
shakes808cmaloney: any luck with any prospects?  did that site linked last week yield anything for you?14:53
cmaloneyshakes808: Not a whole lot shaking14:58
cmaloneyHave an interview this afternoon, so we'll see how that lands14:58
cmaloneyBut for the most part it's either get front-end development experience quickly or figure something else out14:58
shakes808where is your interview today?15:18
cmaloneyat home15:20
cmaloneycall in interview15:20
shakes808cool, is it a wfh place?15:20
cmaloneyideally.15:20
brousch__Stupid frontend. Are all of the backends done?15:21
shakes808fantastic!  good luch15:21
shakes808luck*15:21
brousch__Now that everything is a (backend) service most of the work is making frontends for web+ios+android15:22
cmaloneyshakes808: Thank you.15:30
cmaloneybrousch__: It's because they don't want to pay two people to do one job15:30
shakes808is it a python gig like you want?15:30
cmaloneyso you get to drift between the front-end and the back-end like a ninja, in an effortless dance15:31
cmaloneyshakes808: Ideally15:31
cmaloneyRight now I'm nto sure what I want15:31
shakes808There are a lot of .NET jobs out there, supposedly.  I am getting lit up by recruiters for a job in Allen Park, Detroit, and Troy.  I think all .NET or JAVA15:31
cmaloneya guarantee that it's going to be OK15:31
cmaloneythat's what I really want.15:31
cmaloneythat I can find my place in this crazy topsy-turvy world15:32
cmaloneythat's what I want15:32
widoxI've been poking around at listings recently. seems that 90% of them are for Ruby devs15:34
cmaloneywidox: That's weird15:34
cmaloneyI've not seen that15:34
cmaloney(maybe I haven't looked at that angle)15:35
cmaloneyMost of what I'm seeing is "We'd really like you to know three languages including Python"15:35
cmaloney"and we'd really like you to know Go"15:35
widoxSO jobs, GitHub jobs and such15:36
widoxyeah, Go/Python always seem to be paired15:36
widoxand React all the things15:36
cmaloneyYeah, it's all React now15:37
cmaloneyI swear I'm going to have to make my own job15:37
cmaloneybut I lack the courage15:37
widoxcmaloney: also have https://weworkremotely.com/ in my list15:37
widoxheh15:37
brousch__I wonder if the Go+Python is due to people replacing old Python code with Go15:40
jrwrenbrousch__: probably. so sad. they could just move to pypy and be faster :p15:46
brousch__I dug into motivations for our change here some more. They don't want to move to Python3, and like Go packaging much better.15:47
brousch__The speed improvement is nice, but not a primary motivation15:48
cmaloneyThat it's a Google language is likely part of the motivation15:52
cmaloneyI'm also seeing a lot more C15:52
cmaloneyit's all about speed now15:53
cmaloneyIf Android wasn't based around Java I'm sure we'd see less Java as well15:53
brousch__Yes15:56
jrwrendefinitely.15:59
jrwrenthere will always be the JVM diehards.15:59
jrwrencrazy people like netflix :p15:59
shakes808jrwren: netflix == no commercials :)17:07
jrwrenhuh?17:08
jrwrencontext shakes808.  context!17:08
rick_hwait a minute?! they LIKE the go packaging better?17:11
rick_hthat's the single most horrible part of Go17:11
rick_hlike makes me want to commit felony offenses level of horrible17:11
cmaloneyheh17:11
cmaloneyrick_h: AFAICT we entered bizarro world in 201217:12
cmaloneywhere down is up, left is right17:12
cmaloneyGo packaging is perfect17:12
cmaloneyPython 3 is terrible17:12
rick_hyea, I think someone's high there17:12
cmaloneyand I'm contemplating a career yelling at pidgeons in the park17:12
shakes808jrwren: :( sorry, i am not in the know on that :(17:13
rick_hmaybe they're saying that they like shipping go build tools since it's just shipping a binary17:13
rick_hnot the packaging for development, but the delivery17:13
shakes808cmaloney: what is wrong with python 3?17:13
cmaloneyCan say the same for C code17:14
cmaloneyshakes808: In bizarro world Python 3 is horrible17:14
jrwreni don't have an issue with go packaging. I actually agree that it is highly supperior to many things. :)17:14
jrwrenkeep in mind, i pretty much hate go :)17:15
brousch__rick_h: Yes, delivery18:27
jrwrenah delivery.18:27
jrwrenI'm REALLY GOOD at python delivery, so while I don't have the challenges... I can see why it might be a challenge :p18:27
jrwrenesp since I'm dealing with a python delivery issue RIGHT NOW! :)18:28
brousch__We build packages for red hat 5 and 7, ubuntu 12.04 14.04 16.04, and FBSD 1118:29
jrwrenrh5?!?18:30
jrwrenzomg, yes, that is hell.18:30
brousch__The old stuff is being phased out, but of course updates for our stuff still go there until it's completely gone18:31
brousch__FBSD 10.something too18:32
cmaloneyWell, on the plus side my interview was with someone who goes to PyOhio18:33
cmaloneyso that was nice18:33
rick_hcmaloney: <318:33
rick_hcmaloney: network baby!18:33
cmaloneyUnfortunately he's not going to make it this year18:33
rick_hboooo18:34
cmaloneyBut yeah, the whole "how do you keep up" question...18:34
cmaloney"Well, PyOhio for starters..."18:34
cmaloneyThough my first thought was "I haven't, which is why I'm still looking for work..."18:35
cmaloneyle sigh18:35
cmaloneyBut hey, water under the bridge, right? https://youtu.be/NXPNWFBd3h8?t=20s18:38
cmaloney;)18:38
jrwrenbrousch__: did they ever consider bundling their app with python instead of system python?18:41
jrwrenat some point, libc is always the common point, and so it is easier to remove anything that gets in your way.18:41
jrwrenlinux+libc as the foundation is a powerful POV which I feel we all forget too oftne.18:41
brousch__I don't know. The move to Go started 2 years ago, and I've been here 4 months18:41
brousch__And it's not part of my group18:42
jrwrenyeah. and the old stuff is probably on limp along support, not investing in improvement?18:42
brousch__Well it's being replaced piece-by-piece18:43
shakes808cmaloney: for your podcast, have you tried getting local talent to play ?  I am sure they would be willing to get some air play :)19:10
cmaloneySure, if they're open to doing CC-licensed material. :)19:11
cmaloneyI'm only aware of a few MI bands that have released CC19:11
cmaloneyThe Armed, Archana19:12
shakes808not sure, i have been out of the local scene for a long time ( > 10 years since i stopped playing out ) but wouldn't hurt to do some "research" and go to some local venues and talk to them :)19:19
cmaloneyshakes808: Possibly19:20
cmaloneyshakes808: I don't tend to go to shows though. :)19:20
shakes808... :) I can be that liaison :) I like to support the local scene.  just need to figure out where they are playing now-a-days19:22
shakes808i can probably get in contact with some of the bands i used to play with.19:22
cmaloneyTell them o put their stuff on Bandcamp with a CC license and we're good-to-go. ;)19:22
shakes808Will do :)19:23
cmaloneytx19:24
cmaloneyI mean, there's a bunch of really great metal bands from Detroit19:24
shakes808this is one of the bands that my band played with19:24
shakes808https://goo.gl/JUU3My19:24
cmaloneyTemple of Void, Black Dahlia Murder19:24
shakes808not sure if they are heavy enough for you :)19:24
cmaloneyI don't mind groove metal19:25
cmaloneyhttps://saprogenic.bandcamp.com/album/expanding-toward-collapsed-lungs19:25
shakes808https://goo.gl/mIbZGI19:25
shakes808and this one19:25
cmaloneyBit a lot of them are signed19:26
cmaloneyshakes808: Nice!19:26
shakes808I know a local recording studio as well, I can talk to :)19:27
cmaloneyOh, Battlecross as well19:29
cmaloney(Still amazed that Trevor Strnad of TBDM follows me on Twitter)19:32
cmaloneyBut I think he also follows half the damn place. :)19:32
shakes808haha with talking music here and with a co-worker, i am listening to things that I forgot about :)20:41
shakes808https://goo.gl/y6a8pf20:41

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