[11:31] morning [11:44] morning [11:44] how was the dark web? [12:13] Pretty good. Video is posted up (will get it up on the site shortly) [12:13] But yeah, was a really good talk, and somewhat eye-opening [12:27] now you know where to buy drugs? [12:30] heh [12:30] I didn't see you at Dark Web cmaloney [12:32] 2 [12:32] wolfger: ? [12:32] I'm assuming you're talking about the pcon panel [12:33] No, I'm talking about the MUG talk from last night [12:33] ah [12:33] You would have had to work pretty hard not to see me. :) [12:33] now I'm curious if it was the same presentation [12:33] Scot? [12:33] I don't recall [12:34] darknet on freenode, or some such? [12:35] Nah, this was through Tor and onion URLs [12:35] not seeing the point of a darknet for any licit activity... but you never know when they'll make F/OSS illicit. ;-) [12:35] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbDFrKxU5eY [12:36] sounds like 2 different darknets [12:36] err [12:36] darkweb v. darknet [12:36] darknet traditionally is unused IP space [12:36] darkweb is websites on alt network, usually this means tor [14:16] Doing office hours if anyone wants to join: https://meet.jit.si/TactfulBaboonsPaintAnywhere [14:33] cmaloney: that's cool, but can't do that at work :( [14:34] No worries [14:53] cmaloney: any luck with any prospects? did that site linked last week yield anything for you? [14:58] shakes808: Not a whole lot shaking [14:58] Have an interview this afternoon, so we'll see how that lands [14:58] But for the most part it's either get front-end development experience quickly or figure something else out [15:18] where is your interview today? [15:20] at home [15:20] call in interview [15:20] cool, is it a wfh place? [15:20] ideally. [15:21] Stupid frontend. Are all of the backends done? [15:21] fantastic! good luch [15:21] luck* [15:22] Now that everything is a (backend) service most of the work is making frontends for web+ios+android [15:30] shakes808: Thank you. [15:30] brousch__: It's because they don't want to pay two people to do one job [15:30] is it a python gig like you want? [15:31] so you get to drift between the front-end and the back-end like a ninja, in an effortless dance [15:31] shakes808: Ideally [15:31] Right now I'm nto sure what I want [15:31] There are a lot of .NET jobs out there, supposedly. I am getting lit up by recruiters for a job in Allen Park, Detroit, and Troy. I think all .NET or JAVA [15:31] a guarantee that it's going to be OK [15:31] that's what I really want. [15:32] that I can find my place in this crazy topsy-turvy world [15:32] that's what I want [15:34] I've been poking around at listings recently. seems that 90% of them are for Ruby devs [15:34] widox: That's weird [15:34] I've not seen that [15:35] (maybe I haven't looked at that angle) [15:35] Most of what I'm seeing is "We'd really like you to know three languages including Python" [15:35] "and we'd really like you to know Go" [15:36] SO jobs, GitHub jobs and such [15:36] yeah, Go/Python always seem to be paired [15:36] and React all the things [15:37] Yeah, it's all React now [15:37] I swear I'm going to have to make my own job [15:37] but I lack the courage [15:37] cmaloney: also have https://weworkremotely.com/ in my list [15:37] heh [15:40] I wonder if the Go+Python is due to people replacing old Python code with Go [15:46] brousch__: probably. so sad. they could just move to pypy and be faster :p [15:47] I dug into motivations for our change here some more. They don't want to move to Python3, and like Go packaging much better. [15:48] The speed improvement is nice, but not a primary motivation [15:52] That it's a Google language is likely part of the motivation [15:52] I'm also seeing a lot more C [15:53] it's all about speed now [15:53] If Android wasn't based around Java I'm sure we'd see less Java as well [15:56] Yes [15:59] definitely. [15:59] there will always be the JVM diehards. [15:59] crazy people like netflix :p [17:07] jrwren: netflix == no commercials :) [17:08] huh? [17:08] context shakes808. context! [17:11] wait a minute?! they LIKE the go packaging better? [17:11] that's the single most horrible part of Go [17:11] like makes me want to commit felony offenses level of horrible [17:11] heh [17:12] rick_h: AFAICT we entered bizarro world in 2012 [17:12] where down is up, left is right [17:12] Go packaging is perfect [17:12] Python 3 is terrible [17:12] yea, I think someone's high there [17:12] and I'm contemplating a career yelling at pidgeons in the park [17:13] jrwren: :( sorry, i am not in the know on that :( [17:13] maybe they're saying that they like shipping go build tools since it's just shipping a binary [17:13] not the packaging for development, but the delivery [17:13] cmaloney: what is wrong with python 3? [17:14] Can say the same for C code [17:14] shakes808: In bizarro world Python 3 is horrible [17:14] i don't have an issue with go packaging. I actually agree that it is highly supperior to many things. :) [17:15] keep in mind, i pretty much hate go :) [18:27] rick_h: Yes, delivery [18:27] ah delivery. [18:27] I'm REALLY GOOD at python delivery, so while I don't have the challenges... I can see why it might be a challenge :p [18:28] esp since I'm dealing with a python delivery issue RIGHT NOW! :) [18:29] We build packages for red hat 5 and 7, ubuntu 12.04 14.04 16.04, and FBSD 11 [18:30] rh5?!? [18:30] zomg, yes, that is hell. [18:31] The old stuff is being phased out, but of course updates for our stuff still go there until it's completely gone [18:32] FBSD 10.something too [18:33] Well, on the plus side my interview was with someone who goes to PyOhio [18:33] so that was nice [18:33] cmaloney: <3 [18:33] cmaloney: network baby! [18:33] Unfortunately he's not going to make it this year [18:34] boooo [18:34] But yeah, the whole "how do you keep up" question... [18:34] "Well, PyOhio for starters..." [18:35] Though my first thought was "I haven't, which is why I'm still looking for work..." [18:35] le sigh [18:38] But hey, water under the bridge, right? https://youtu.be/NXPNWFBd3h8?t=20s [18:38] ;) [18:41] brousch__: did they ever consider bundling their app with python instead of system python? [18:41] at some point, libc is always the common point, and so it is easier to remove anything that gets in your way. [18:41] linux+libc as the foundation is a powerful POV which I feel we all forget too oftne. [18:41] I don't know. The move to Go started 2 years ago, and I've been here 4 months [18:42] And it's not part of my group [18:42] yeah. and the old stuff is probably on limp along support, not investing in improvement? [18:43] Well it's being replaced piece-by-piece [19:10] cmaloney: for your podcast, have you tried getting local talent to play ? I am sure they would be willing to get some air play :) [19:11] Sure, if they're open to doing CC-licensed material. :) [19:11] I'm only aware of a few MI bands that have released CC [19:12] The Armed, Archana [19:19] not sure, i have been out of the local scene for a long time ( > 10 years since i stopped playing out ) but wouldn't hurt to do some "research" and go to some local venues and talk to them :) [19:20] shakes808: Possibly [19:20] shakes808: I don't tend to go to shows though. :) [19:22] ... :) I can be that liaison :) I like to support the local scene. just need to figure out where they are playing now-a-days [19:22] i can probably get in contact with some of the bands i used to play with. [19:22] Tell them o put their stuff on Bandcamp with a CC license and we're good-to-go. ;) [19:23] Will do :) [19:24] tx [19:24] I mean, there's a bunch of really great metal bands from Detroit [19:24] this is one of the bands that my band played with [19:24] https://goo.gl/JUU3My [19:24] Temple of Void, Black Dahlia Murder [19:24] not sure if they are heavy enough for you :) [19:25] I don't mind groove metal [19:25] https://saprogenic.bandcamp.com/album/expanding-toward-collapsed-lungs [19:25] https://goo.gl/mIbZGI [19:25] and this one [19:26] Bit a lot of them are signed [19:26] shakes808: Nice! [19:27] I know a local recording studio as well, I can talk to :) [19:29] Oh, Battlecross as well [19:32] (Still amazed that Trevor Strnad of TBDM follows me on Twitter) [19:32] But I think he also follows half the damn place. :) [20:41] haha with talking music here and with a co-worker, i am listening to things that I forgot about :) [20:41] https://goo.gl/y6a8pf