[11:31] <cmaloney> morning
[11:44] <rick_h> morning
[11:44] <rick_h> how was the dark web?
[12:13] <cmaloney> Pretty good. Video is posted up (will get it up on the site shortly)
[12:13] <cmaloney> But yeah, was a really good talk, and somewhat eye-opening
[12:27] <jrwren> now you know where to buy drugs?
[12:30] <wolfger> heh
[12:30] <wolfger> I didn't see you at Dark Web cmaloney
[12:32] <cmaloney> 2
[12:32] <cmaloney> wolfger: ?
[12:32] <wolfger> I'm assuming you're talking about the pcon panel
[12:33] <cmaloney> No, I'm talking about the MUG talk from last night
[12:33] <wolfger> ah
[12:33] <cmaloney> You would have had to work pretty hard not to see me. :)
[12:33] <wolfger> now I'm curious if it was the same presentation
[12:33] <cmaloney> Scot?
[12:33] <wolfger> I don't recall
[12:34] <wolfger> darknet on freenode, or some such?
[12:35] <cmaloney> Nah, this was through Tor and onion URLs
[12:35] <wolfger> not seeing the point of a darknet for any licit activity... but you never know when they'll make F/OSS illicit. ;-)
[12:35] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbDFrKxU5eY
[12:36] <jrwren> sounds like 2 different darknets
[12:36] <jrwren> err
[12:36] <jrwren> darkweb v. darknet
[12:36] <jrwren> darknet traditionally is unused IP space
[12:36] <jrwren> darkweb is websites on alt network, usually this means tor
[14:16] <cmaloney> Doing office hours if anyone wants to join: https://meet.jit.si/TactfulBaboonsPaintAnywhere
[14:33] <shakes808> cmaloney: that's cool, but can't do that at work :(
[14:34] <cmaloney> No worries
[14:53] <shakes808> cmaloney: any luck with any prospects?  did that site linked last week yield anything for you?
[14:58] <cmaloney> shakes808: Not a whole lot shaking
[14:58] <cmaloney> Have an interview this afternoon, so we'll see how that lands
[14:58] <cmaloney> But for the most part it's either get front-end development experience quickly or figure something else out
[15:18] <shakes808> where is your interview today?
[15:20] <cmaloney> at home
[15:20] <cmaloney> call in interview
[15:20] <shakes808> cool, is it a wfh place?
[15:20] <cmaloney> ideally.
[15:21] <brousch__> Stupid frontend. Are all of the backends done?
[15:21] <shakes808> fantastic!  good luch
[15:21] <shakes808> luck*
[15:22] <brousch__> Now that everything is a (backend) service most of the work is making frontends for web+ios+android
[15:30] <cmaloney> shakes808: Thank you.
[15:30] <cmaloney> brousch__: It's because they don't want to pay two people to do one job
[15:30] <shakes808> is it a python gig like you want?
[15:31] <cmaloney> so you get to drift between the front-end and the back-end like a ninja, in an effortless dance
[15:31] <cmaloney> shakes808: Ideally
[15:31] <cmaloney> Right now I'm nto sure what I want
[15:31] <shakes808> There are a lot of .NET jobs out there, supposedly.  I am getting lit up by recruiters for a job in Allen Park, Detroit, and Troy.  I think all .NET or JAVA
[15:31] <cmaloney> a guarantee that it's going to be OK
[15:31] <cmaloney> that's what I really want.
[15:32] <cmaloney> that I can find my place in this crazy topsy-turvy world
[15:32] <cmaloney> that's what I want
[15:34] <widox> I've been poking around at listings recently. seems that 90% of them are for Ruby devs
[15:34] <cmaloney> widox: That's weird
[15:34] <cmaloney> I've not seen that
[15:35] <cmaloney> (maybe I haven't looked at that angle)
[15:35] <cmaloney> Most of what I'm seeing is "We'd really like you to know three languages including Python"
[15:35] <cmaloney> "and we'd really like you to know Go"
[15:36] <widox> SO jobs, GitHub jobs and such
[15:36] <widox> yeah, Go/Python always seem to be paired
[15:36] <widox> and React all the things
[15:37] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's all React now
[15:37] <cmaloney> I swear I'm going to have to make my own job
[15:37] <cmaloney> but I lack the courage
[15:37] <widox> cmaloney: also have https://weworkremotely.com/ in my list
[15:37] <widox> heh
[15:40] <brousch__> I wonder if the Go+Python is due to people replacing old Python code with Go
[15:46] <jrwren> brousch__: probably. so sad. they could just move to pypy and be faster :p
[15:47] <brousch__> I dug into motivations for our change here some more. They don't want to move to Python3, and like Go packaging much better.
[15:48] <brousch__> The speed improvement is nice, but not a primary motivation
[15:52] <cmaloney> That it's a Google language is likely part of the motivation
[15:52] <cmaloney> I'm also seeing a lot more C
[15:53] <cmaloney> it's all about speed now
[15:53] <cmaloney> If Android wasn't based around Java I'm sure we'd see less Java as well
[15:56] <brousch__> Yes
[15:59] <jrwren> definitely.
[15:59] <jrwren> there will always be the JVM diehards.
[15:59] <jrwren> crazy people like netflix :p
[17:07] <shakes808> jrwren: netflix == no commercials :)
[17:08] <jrwren> huh?
[17:08] <jrwren> context shakes808.  context!
[17:11] <rick_h> wait a minute?! they LIKE the go packaging better?
[17:11] <rick_h> that's the single most horrible part of Go
[17:11] <rick_h> like makes me want to commit felony offenses level of horrible
[17:11] <cmaloney> heh
[17:12] <cmaloney> rick_h: AFAICT we entered bizarro world in 2012
[17:12] <cmaloney> where down is up, left is right
[17:12] <cmaloney> Go packaging is perfect
[17:12] <cmaloney> Python 3 is terrible
[17:12] <rick_h> yea, I think someone's high there
[17:12] <cmaloney> and I'm contemplating a career yelling at pidgeons in the park
[17:13] <shakes808> jrwren: :( sorry, i am not in the know on that :(
[17:13] <rick_h> maybe they're saying that they like shipping go build tools since it's just shipping a binary
[17:13] <rick_h> not the packaging for development, but the delivery
[17:13] <shakes808> cmaloney: what is wrong with python 3?
[17:14] <cmaloney> Can say the same for C code
[17:14] <cmaloney> shakes808: In bizarro world Python 3 is horrible
[17:14] <jrwren> i don't have an issue with go packaging. I actually agree that it is highly supperior to many things. :)
[17:15] <jrwren> keep in mind, i pretty much hate go :)
[18:27] <brousch__> rick_h: Yes, delivery
[18:27] <jrwren> ah delivery.
[18:27] <jrwren> I'm REALLY GOOD at python delivery, so while I don't have the challenges... I can see why it might be a challenge :p
[18:28] <jrwren> esp since I'm dealing with a python delivery issue RIGHT NOW! :)
[18:29] <brousch__> We build packages for red hat 5 and 7, ubuntu 12.04 14.04 16.04, and FBSD 11
[18:30] <jrwren> rh5?!?
[18:30] <jrwren> zomg, yes, that is hell.
[18:31] <brousch__> The old stuff is being phased out, but of course updates for our stuff still go there until it's completely gone
[18:32] <brousch__> FBSD 10.something too
[18:33] <cmaloney> Well, on the plus side my interview was with someone who goes to PyOhio
[18:33] <cmaloney> so that was nice
[18:33] <rick_h> cmaloney: <3
[18:33] <rick_h> cmaloney: network baby!
[18:33] <cmaloney> Unfortunately he's not going to make it this year
[18:34] <rick_h> boooo
[18:34] <cmaloney> But yeah, the whole "how do you keep up" question...
[18:34] <cmaloney> "Well, PyOhio for starters..."
[18:35] <cmaloney> Though my first thought was "I haven't, which is why I'm still looking for work..."
[18:35] <cmaloney> le sigh
[18:38] <cmaloney> But hey, water under the bridge, right? https://youtu.be/NXPNWFBd3h8?t=20s
[18:38] <cmaloney> ;)
[18:41] <jrwren> brousch__: did they ever consider bundling their app with python instead of system python?
[18:41] <jrwren> at some point, libc is always the common point, and so it is easier to remove anything that gets in your way.
[18:41] <jrwren> linux+libc as the foundation is a powerful POV which I feel we all forget too oftne.
[18:41] <brousch__> I don't know. The move to Go started 2 years ago, and I've been here 4 months
[18:42] <brousch__> And it's not part of my group
[18:42] <jrwren> yeah. and the old stuff is probably on limp along support, not investing in improvement?
[18:43] <brousch__> Well it's being replaced piece-by-piece
[19:10] <shakes808> cmaloney: for your podcast, have you tried getting local talent to play ?  I am sure they would be willing to get some air play :)
[19:11] <cmaloney> Sure, if they're open to doing CC-licensed material. :)
[19:11] <cmaloney> I'm only aware of a few MI bands that have released CC
[19:12] <cmaloney> The Armed, Archana
[19:19] <shakes808> not sure, i have been out of the local scene for a long time ( > 10 years since i stopped playing out ) but wouldn't hurt to do some "research" and go to some local venues and talk to them :)
[19:20] <cmaloney> shakes808: Possibly
[19:20] <cmaloney> shakes808: I don't tend to go to shows though. :)
[19:22] <shakes808> ... :) I can be that liaison :) I like to support the local scene.  just need to figure out where they are playing now-a-days
[19:22] <shakes808> i can probably get in contact with some of the bands i used to play with.
[19:22] <cmaloney> Tell them o put their stuff on Bandcamp with a CC license and we're good-to-go. ;)
[19:23] <shakes808> Will do :)
[19:24] <cmaloney> tx
[19:24] <cmaloney> I mean, there's a bunch of really great metal bands from Detroit
[19:24] <shakes808> this is one of the bands that my band played with
[19:24] <shakes808> https://goo.gl/JUU3My
[19:24] <cmaloney> Temple of Void, Black Dahlia Murder
[19:24] <shakes808> not sure if they are heavy enough for you :)
[19:25] <cmaloney> I don't mind groove metal
[19:25] <cmaloney> https://saprogenic.bandcamp.com/album/expanding-toward-collapsed-lungs
[19:25] <shakes808> https://goo.gl/mIbZGI
[19:25] <shakes808> and this one
[19:26] <cmaloney> Bit a lot of them are signed
[19:26] <cmaloney> shakes808: Nice!
[19:27] <shakes808> I know a local recording studio as well, I can talk to :)
[19:29] <cmaloney> Oh, Battlecross as well
[19:32] <cmaloney> (Still amazed that Trevor Strnad of TBDM follows me on Twitter)
[19:32] <cmaloney> But I think he also follows half the damn place. :)
[20:41] <shakes808> haha with talking music here and with a co-worker, i am listening to things that I forgot about :)
[20:41] <shakes808> https://goo.gl/y6a8pf