[00:03] <bluesabre> evening all
[00:04] <bluesabre> While I'd rather not fork a fairly new package, I'm not opposed to trying to get -pa-plugin up to indicator-sound in usefulness
[00:04] <bluesabre> ... and then probably do some things better
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[05:37] <Unit193> bluesabre: Why would one fork it?  Why not just give andrzejr a free patch...?  There's not even a bug requesting it yet, and as far as the mic, Xfce Bug 12097.
[05:37] <Unit193> ("If you can produce a patch I will gladly review it and push it to git.")
[10:48] <bluesabre> Unit193: I was thinking it was kinda in a different direction from indicator-sound, but should probably review again
[13:35] <Spass> flocculant: I'm starting the application testcases from testing tracker now and I have very minor issues with first one (Catfish), should I just write it in the comment section on the tracker, here or to you directly?
[13:42] <Spass> I'm asking because maybe there's no reason to call them "issues", maybe just testcases are slightly outdated
[15:19] <Spass> bug 1689842
[15:20] <Spass> question - should I edit my bug report to something different than Private?
[16:09] <flocculant> Spass: as I said yesterday - the testcases are well out of date - report bug on manual testcase project via the link I gave you - if it's not a testcase bug then I can deal with it
[16:09] <flocculant> chances are that anything you find is in fact a testcase bug
[16:22] <Spass> flocculant: thanks, when I'm not sure about things, I'm just writing info in a comment section, I will let you know when I'm done testing, some are completed already, maybe something will be useful for you guys http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/377/builds/146768/testcases
[16:24] <flocculant> everything's useful there :)
[17:43] <Spass> Xubuntu 17.10 is using very old xfce4-power-manager version, I have 3 issues related to it on my laptop right now
[17:54] <Spass> "Zarro Boogs found." lol
[18:53] <Spass> Power Manager is a mess on my laptop :/ done testing for today, I added some comments on the tracker, biab
[20:29] <flocculant> Spass: yea - pretty sure plan is to make sure things are ported to gtk3 - I'm using 1.6.0+git version from https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[20:31] <flocculant> bluesabre: what are our plans for updating things like that in standard Xubuntu this cycle? akxwi-dave and I are planning to ramp up package testing 
[20:31] <flocculant> consequently - testcases need looking at - don't really want to be doing that too often in the cycle :)
[20:32] <knome> basically any updates shouldn't affect testcases as the GTK3 replacements should be identical (eg. no new features)
[20:32] <flocculant> well ... are they though?
[20:32] <knome> and i guess the idea is to push to main repositories when something is stable and all of its dependencies are satisfiable from the main repositories
[20:32] <knome> in the majority of cases, yes they are
[20:33] <knome> and it feels unlikely that the minority is affecting testcases either - as it's not something major that's changed
[20:37] <flocculant> luckily for you notifications isn't tested ;)
[20:37] <knome> i didn't say nothing changes
[20:37] <knome> but any changes to features are very much frowned upon on xfce already :P
[20:38] <flocculant> Spass: I've edited the power result - you'd put Xfce bug numbers in the critical fails - they have to be Launchpad ones I'm afraid
[20:40] <flocculant> knome: really? notification is the same now as it's always been? ochosi will be upset that all the changes there haven't been noticed ;)
[20:40] <knome> i didn't say that either
[20:41] <knome> and this comment was meant for the GTK migration anyway, not "always"
[20:41] <flocculant> my issue is whether we're going to have to keep changing testcases through the cycle
[20:41] <knome> my answer it's very unlikely that this would happen
[20:41] <knome> ís
[20:41] <knome> eh, +is
[20:41] <Spass> flocculant: thanks, I didn't want to duplicate what was already on Bugzilla, and I read "Bugs are tracked in Xfce Bugzilla." on xfce4-power-manager LP page
[20:41] <flocculant> ok - but the question was for bluesabre :D
[20:42] <knome> flocculant, i acknowledge... but i'm sure he'll be giving a similar answer which you'll have to wait for a while
[20:42] <knome> but feel free to do so ;)
[20:43] <flocculant> Spass: yea - but we have to put LP numbers on the trackers - otherwise it looks rather odd - it had linked to bug 12317
[20:43] <flocculant> and the other was a Soundblaster one :)
[20:43] <knome> soundblaster ftw
[20:43] <Spass> too bad I can't submit 'Failed' without any bug number
[20:44] <flocculant> knome: indeed
[20:44] <flocculant> Spass: yea I know, but it stops bizarre failures of testcases :)
[20:45] <Spass> that's why I left 'Running' on Catfish and light-locker and I added some comments
[20:45] <knome> i guess we could file a bug saying "the required bugs aren't tracked on LP" and use that if only bugzilla bugs appear...
[20:45] <Spass> in fact they're finished with small issues
[20:46] <flocculant> Spass: because we're such a small team - it's fine for the time being to pass them and make comments - we do read those
[20:46] <Spass> flocculant: ok, so I 'll change them to passed, was worrying my comments won't be noticed :)
[20:47] <knome> well they're not passed...
[20:48] <flocculant> knome: and also - because the testcases need to be 'this button' and not 'this switch' or whatever - changes do need to be made - otherwise we get spurious things commented
[20:49] <flocculant> so - we do need to know if there are planned changes from gtk2 to gtk3 if we're doing package testing
[20:49] <knome> flocculant, right... that's a good point but i hope we do not have too many widgets changing :)
[20:49] <Spass> knome: but they're not 'Running' any more and I can't mark them as 'Failed' without a bug #, and I wasn't sure my minor issues/comments deserve a bug report
[20:49] <knome> flocculant, one thing we could do is to list widgets that are going to be deprecated (or in other words, need replacing) already
[20:49] <flocculant> Spass: for the moment please don't worry yourself about that - what I'm after here is testing the testcases against the packages
[20:50] <flocculant> just do what I say for now
[20:50] <knome> Spass, rather leave them "running" than mark "passed"
[20:51] <flocculant> Spass: please ignore anyone but me here
[20:51] <Spass> is there a fourth option? like 'Undecided' :P
[20:52] <flocculant> at the moment this isn't about testing packages
[20:52] <flocculant> we need the testcases checked
[20:52] <knome> Spass, no... just keep them "running" please
[20:52] <Spass> I'm just planning to finish all the testcases this week, and hopefully some of my comments will help, but I guess I know everything what I'll write there already
[20:52] <flocculant> that's all I'm interested in currently
[20:53] <flocculant> Spass: I need bug reports on whether the testcase is correct
[20:53] <flocculant> that is what we need
[20:56] <Spass> to that point only Catfish testcase needs to be updated I think, it seems there was a slightly interface change
[20:58] <Spass> and Thunar with "Wastebasket/Rubbish Bin", unless that's what it's called on en_GB (I'm using en_US on 17.10 I think...)
[20:58] <Spass> minor things
[20:59] <flocculant> things like that we can't really do much about
[20:59] <flocculant> it's usually rubbish bin here 
[21:00] <flocculant> except for in places plugin and on desktop etc
[21:00] <flocculant> anyway - I'm done for the night
[21:40] <bluesabre> evening all
[21:40] <knome> hello bluesabre 
[21:41] <bluesabre> flocculant: GTK+3 ports, application updates, possibly pulseaudio-plugin to replace indicator-sound... or being prepared to replace indicators in general
[21:46] <bluesabre> Regarding the ports, they should get a good look because a lot of gtk2 xfce is deprecated and has to be replaced with all new everything