| duflu | That's odd. Gnome Shell on zesty was trying to use Ambiance, but now I try it on artful the default theme is Adwaita (?) | 02:48 |
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| jbicha | duflu: how did you install gnome-shell? | 03:30 |
| duflu | jbicha: $ sudo apt install ubuntu-gnome-desktop | 03:30 |
| jbicha | duflu: you probably should have just installed gnome-shell | 03:31 |
| duflu | Perhaps that's the difference, yeah thanks. | 03:31 |
| duflu | I think I'll probably reinstall artful when it's in the iso | 03:31 |
| jbicha | ubuntu-gnome-desktop currently installs ubuntu-gnome-default-settings which changes a bunch of stuff | 03:31 |
| jbicha | and u-g-desktop will install extra apps that might not end up in default Ubuntu 17.10 | 03:32 |
| jibel | good morning | 05:47 |
| duflu | Morning jibel | 05:47 |
| oSoMoN | good morrow! | 07:34 |
| andyrock | morning all | 07:52 |
| willcooke | ahoy hoy | 07:58 |
| didrocks | hey desktopers | 08:00 |
| willcooke | morning didrocks, how goes? | 08:01 |
| didrocks | willcooke: dark clouds outside :p yourself? | 08:01 |
| * willcooke looks | 08:01 | |
| didrocks | (it's almost night light) | 08:02 |
| willcooke | looks alright, a little sunshine around today. Cold last night, down to 4 degrees. Stupid spring. | 08:02 |
| willcooke | ... and now over to Carol for the sports. | 08:03 |
| flexiondotorg | Morning desktopers | 08:13 |
| willcooke | morning flexiondotorg | 08:13 |
| willcooke | feeling better? | 08:13 |
| flexiondotorg | Not really :-( | 08:13 |
| willcooke | bah :( | 08:13 |
| didrocks | jetlag/travel related? | 08:13 |
| flexiondotorg | Yep, jetlag and conference flu. | 08:14 |
| didrocks | argh | 08:14 |
| didrocks | I'm sure it's due to the LAS people, you partied too much during the podcast record :) | 08:15 |
| didrocks | (or they promised you too many beers) | 08:15 |
| flexiondotorg | Something like that ;-) | 08:27 |
| Laney | MOINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN | 08:27 |
| willcooke | hey Laney. How you doing? All fixed? | 08:32 |
| Laney | hey willcooke | 08:32 |
| Laney | got some more exercises | 08:32 |
| Laney | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVKfFFxOxFU | 08:32 |
| willcooke | woooaahh, someone swallowed a dictionary ;) | 08:33 |
| willcooke | from 9 seconds to 18 seconds | 08:34 |
| Laney | haha | 08:34 |
| Laney | she didn't play me the sound | 08:34 |
| Laney | but inorite | 08:34 |
| Trevinho | Ah, hello europe! | 08:47 |
| willcooke | hi Trevinho | 08:48 |
| Trevinho | hi willcooke | 08:48 |
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| * duflu goes to play in traffic | 09:11 | |
| duflu | Thankfully not something I need to do often | 09:11 |
| Laney | fossfreedom: is there a bug report for your gtk 3.22.14 problem? | 09:34 |
| OW | 1 | 10:08 |
| OW | 竜が我が敌を喰らう | 10:09 |
| daker | dobey: any comment on that guy ⬆️ ? | 10:31 |
| sil2100 | It's just some Overwatch fan, don't worry about that | 10:35 |
| jbicha | Laney: fossfreedom: Budgie GTK+ bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/782494 | 12:12 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 782494 in Widget: Other "Regression in GtkListBox internal child listing" [Normal,New] | 12:12 |
| Laney | taaaaaaaa | 12:14 |
| allison | good afternoon everyone | 12:20 |
| Laney | hey allison | 12:56 |
| allison | Laney: what are you up to these days? | 13:21 |
| kenvandine | Laney, are you looking after the gtk package? | 13:51 |
| cyphermox | jbicha: gnome-user-docs done (waiting for an AA to push it in main), gnome-g-s-d in progress. | 13:59 |
| cyphermox | we'd need seb to subscribe ~desktop-packages to gnome-getting-started-docs and maybe Laney to subscribe ~desktop-bugs | 14:03 |
| cyphermox | allison: hey, how do you do? | 14:05 |
| jbicha | thanks | 14:08 |
| jbicha | Ars released their 17.04 review today: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/ubuntu-17-04-review-this-is-unitys-true-swan-song/ | 14:22 |
| Laney | allison: in work? | 14:28 |
| Laney | CI stuff, packaging stuff, release stuff | 14:28 |
| Laney | kenvandine: ish | 14:28 |
| kenvandine | Laney, :) | 14:28 |
| kenvandine | Laney, i think we should disable the mir backend | 14:28 |
| Laney | oh yeah | 14:29 |
| kenvandine | i'm snapping gnome stuff and have to include the mir-libs content interface because we link to mir | 14:29 |
| Laney | is it causing a problem? | 14:29 |
| Laney | what's happening to that upstream? | 14:29 |
| Laney | do any of the remaining Mir usecases need it? | 14:29 |
| kenvandine | bitrot i guess :/ | 14:29 |
| kenvandine | i don't think so | 14:29 |
| kenvandine | willcooke, ^^ right? | 14:29 |
| Laney | if not, feel free | 14:29 |
| willcooke | right, no use cases for it at this time | 14:29 |
| willcooke | :( | 14:30 |
| Laney | we have some distro patches cherry-picking new stuff for it, those could be dropped too | 14:30 |
| * Laney hears a wail coming from Toronto | 14:30 | |
| kenvandine | that'll also drop the content-hub deps | 14:30 |
| kenvandine | :( | 14:31 |
| kenvandine | Laney, ok, i'll do that | 14:31 |
| Laney | if you want a review, push it but don't upload | 14:31 |
| jbicha | I think I already dropped the MIR cherry-picks when I updated gtk to 3.22.12 in artful | 14:31 |
| Laney | that was naughty unless you checked with someone | 14:32 |
| jbicha | no, I mean, they were part of the new release | 14:32 |
| Laney | k | 14:32 |
| Laney | if they came from the branch that would happen | 14:32 |
| jbicha | kenvandine: maybe hold off on uploading the new version a few more days for the remaining Budgie issue | 14:32 |
| jbicha | kenvandine: there might be a .15 release to fix that | 14:33 |
| Laney | don't need to take the new version now | 14:33 |
| kenvandine | i'll get an MR up for review | 14:33 |
| jbicha | what do y'all think about the headerbar patches for various apps? is it better to keep them as long as they aren't holding anything else back? | 14:38 |
| jbicha | or should we drop them to clean up the packaging, and make GNOME apps behave more similarly everywhere as intended by GNOME | 14:40 |
| kenvandine | jbicha, i'm not familiar with the headerbar patches, what do they do? | 14:40 |
| dobey | daker: i am no good at reading kanji :) | 14:41 |
| kenvandine | was that to deal with our theme? | 14:41 |
| daker | dobey: :D | 14:41 |
| jbicha | kenvandine: we have patches to several apps to use a traditional toolbar instead of GNOME's CSD headerbars, when run in Unity | 14:44 |
| kenvandine | oh, so only affects them under unity? | 14:44 |
| Laney | yeh | 14:44 |
| jbicha | we didn't get around to all the apps, Sudoku still has the headerbars in Unity but Nautilus has a toolbar, for instance | 14:44 |
| Laney | they go in and muck around with the widget hierarchy directly | 14:44 |
| Laney | so not exactly the most robust solution | 14:44 |
| kenvandine | no strong opinions from me... but i guess we'd be better off dropping them | 14:45 |
| kenvandine | but hate to hurt the unity experience | 14:45 |
| jbicha | some Unity people wanted the headerbars actually, so it might be a tossup which is better for Unity | 14:45 |
| dobey | someone should make CSD work under unity | 14:45 |
| jbicha | dobey: I believe they already work, as do light-themes | 14:46 |
| Laney | I think Trevinho's recent theme work improves that a bit | 14:46 |
| dobey | jbicha: i mean work properly | 14:46 |
| Laney | we used to always argue about how they break LIM | 14:46 |
| jbicha | gnome-sudoku seems to work fine | 14:47 |
| dobey | it doesn't have the ugly pixels in the corners? | 14:47 |
| Laney | no | 14:47 |
| * kenvandine loves that fix | 14:48 | |
| jbicha | oh, I guess LIM doesn't work right with them still :| | 14:48 |
| dobey | what about the menus in titlebars stuff? does CSD work with that | 14:48 |
| jbicha | dobey: no, from what I see with gnome-sudoku | 14:49 |
| xnox | has anybody looked at gvfs adt failures on i386 in artful? https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-artful/artful/i386/g/gvfs/20170511_115343_1dfce@/log.gz | 15:10 |
| xnox | passses everywhere else | 15:11 |
| xnox | then again i386 is the only 32bit full VM based test bed. | 15:11 |
| * Laney wonders who uploaded the package that triggered this failed run ;-) | 15:13 | |
| jbicha | xnox: I believe gvfs's autopkgtests are flaky; that's part of why I didn't update gvfs to 1.32 for zesty because I didn't want to deal with autopkgtest for it | 15:29 |
| jbicha | although suddenly the tests started mostly working in February | 15:32 |
| xnox | jbicha, ack, retry worked. i hope nobody triggers it again, such that i can land systemd \o/ | 16:10 |
| rbasak | Is it intentional that xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is no longer seeded? | 16:12 |
| rbasak | I just installed a new laptop with the artful daily, and Unity's touchpad configuration is suboptimal without it installed. | 16:13 |
| rbasak | Looks like it has been unseeded in artful? | 16:13 |
| Laney | It was intentional | 16:14 |
| Laney | but it does create that bug... | 16:14 |
| jbicha | rbasak: yes, see LP: #1686081 | 16:14 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1686081 in xorg (Ubuntu) "If -synaptics is installed, GNOME Mouse & Touchpad Settings doesn't work" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686081 | 16:14 |
| rbasak | Thanks | 16:14 |
| rbasak | I guess there's no point in filing an installer bug? | 16:16 |
| rbasak | (well, a bug related to the installation of the daily) | 16:16 |
| willcooke | mozjs38 is ack'd by security, so we should be able to update the seeds soon \o/ | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | willcooke, woot :) | 16:27 |
| Laney | cyphermox: what are you looking for subscribers on? | 16:27 |
| Laney | just gnome-getting-started-docs? | 16:28 |
| Laney | (done) | 16:28 |
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| cyphermox | Laney: yes, thanks! | 16:57 |
| jbicha | Laney: could you handle a subscriber for gdm3 too since gnome-shell currently will not run if the gdm gir is not installed | 17:03 |
| * willcooke -> dinner. bbl | 17:06 | |
| Laney | jbicha: that's done | 17:06 |
| Laney | I missed it in the first round because it was further down | 17:06 |
| Laney | nighty night | 17:11 |
| oSoMoN | good night! | 17:39 |
| rbasak | jbicha: fyi, I just filed bug 1690200 which I think may be a regression in your merge of 3.24.2-0ubuntu1. But in reproducing to write up the bug report, I found a trivial workaround, so I'm going to move on. | 17:59 |
| ubot5 | bug 1690200 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "gnome-terminal crashes on Terminal->Preferences->Profiles->Edit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1690200 | 18:00 |
| jbicha | hmm, that issue doesn't affect GNOME Shell | 18:17 |
| Trevinho | jbicha: with patches LIM would work... | 18:22 |
| Trevinho | jbicha: my theory is.... If it's not hard to bring patches around, let's do that. | 18:22 |
| Trevinho | like if it's just 2 minutes to adapt ok, otherwise i'd drop them... But at least thing as gedit, evince and nautilus should be kept with higher consideration, as I expect still quite a considerable number of people to continue to use U7 in next LTS. | 18:23 |
| jbicha | rbasak: oh never mind, it's reproducible on GNOME Shell too | 18:24 |
| jbicha | Trevinho: some parts of Unity7 will be broken by 18.04 | 18:25 |
| Trevinho | jbicha: what are you referring to? | 18:27 |
| Trevinho | jbicha: anyway, haderbars usage won't break the usability overall... So they're "ok". | 18:27 |
| jbicha | it looks like UOA will be completely removed (?) but Unity (shell or control-center) don't work with GOA | 18:28 |
| jbicha | someone that installs Unity will need -synaptics but installing that breaks GNOME | 18:28 |
| jbicha | several integration patches are being dropped so I guess that's not breaking Unity but it isn't as nicely integrated as 16.04 | 18:30 |
| willcooke | night all. London tomorrow. | 18:35 |
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| * kenvandine had forgotten how much fun building gtk can be | 20:09 | |
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