[02:48] <duflu> That's odd. Gnome Shell on zesty was trying to use Ambiance, but now I try it on artful the default theme is Adwaita (?)
[03:30] <jbicha> duflu: how did you install gnome-shell?
[03:30] <duflu> jbicha: $ sudo apt install ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[03:31] <jbicha> duflu: you probably should have just installed gnome-shell
[03:31] <duflu> Perhaps that's the difference, yeah thanks.
[03:31] <duflu> I think I'll probably reinstall artful when it's in the iso
[03:31] <jbicha> ubuntu-gnome-desktop currently installs ubuntu-gnome-default-settings which changes a bunch of stuff
[03:32] <jbicha> and u-g-desktop will install extra apps that might not end up in default Ubuntu 17.10
[05:47] <jibel> good morning
[05:47] <duflu> Morning jibel
[07:34] <oSoMoN> good morrow!
[07:52] <andyrock> morning all
[07:58] <willcooke> ahoy hoy
[08:00] <didrocks> hey desktopers
[08:01] <willcooke> morning didrocks, how goes?
[08:01] <didrocks> willcooke: dark clouds outside :p yourself?
[08:01]  * willcooke looks
[08:02] <didrocks> (it's almost night light)
[08:02] <willcooke> looks alright, a little sunshine around today.  Cold last night, down to 4 degrees.  Stupid spring.
[08:03] <willcooke> ... and now over to Carol for the sports.
[08:13] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[08:13] <willcooke> morning flexiondotorg
[08:13] <willcooke> feeling better?
[08:13] <flexiondotorg> Not really :-(
[08:13] <willcooke> bah :(
[08:13] <didrocks> jetlag/travel related?
[08:14] <flexiondotorg> Yep, jetlag and conference flu.
[08:14] <didrocks> argh
[08:15] <didrocks> I'm sure it's due to the LAS people, you partied too much during the podcast record :)
[08:15] <didrocks> (or they promised you too many beers)
[08:27] <flexiondotorg> Something like that ;-)
[08:27] <Laney> MOINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
[08:32] <willcooke> hey Laney.  How you doing?  All fixed?
[08:32] <Laney> hey willcooke
[08:32] <Laney> got some more exercises
[08:32] <Laney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVKfFFxOxFU
[08:33] <willcooke> woooaahh, someone swallowed a dictionary ;)
[08:34] <willcooke> from 9 seconds to 18 seconds
[08:34] <Laney> haha
[08:34] <Laney> she didn't play me the sound
[08:34] <Laney> but inorite
[08:47] <Trevinho> Ah, hello europe!
[08:48] <willcooke> hi Trevinho
[08:48] <Trevinho> hi willcooke
[09:11]  * duflu goes to play in traffic
[09:11] <duflu> Thankfully not something I need to do often
[09:34] <Laney> fossfreedom: is there a bug report for your gtk 3.22.14 problem?
[10:08] <OW> 1
[10:09] <OW> 竜が我が敌を喰らう
[10:31] <daker> dobey: any comment on that guy ⬆️ ?
[10:35] <sil2100> It's just some Overwatch fan, don't worry about that
[12:12] <jbicha> Laney: fossfreedom: Budgie GTK+ bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/782494
[12:14] <Laney> taaaaaaaa
[12:20] <allison> good afternoon everyone
[12:56] <Laney> hey allison
[13:21] <allison> Laney: what are you up to these days?
[13:51] <kenvandine> Laney, are you looking after the gtk package?
[13:59] <cyphermox> jbicha: gnome-user-docs done (waiting for an AA to push it in main), gnome-g-s-d in progress.
[14:03] <cyphermox> we'd need seb to subscribe ~desktop-packages to gnome-getting-started-docs and maybe Laney to subscribe ~desktop-bugs
[14:05] <cyphermox> allison: hey, how do you do?
[14:08] <jbicha> thanks
[14:22] <jbicha> Ars released their 17.04 review today: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/ubuntu-17-04-review-this-is-unitys-true-swan-song/
[14:28] <Laney> allison: in work?
[14:28] <Laney> CI stuff, packaging stuff, release stuff
[14:28] <Laney> kenvandine: ish
[14:28] <kenvandine> Laney, :)
[14:28] <kenvandine> Laney, i think we should disable the mir backend
[14:29] <Laney> oh yeah
[14:29] <kenvandine> i'm snapping gnome stuff and have to include the mir-libs content interface because we link to mir
[14:29] <Laney> is it causing a problem?
[14:29] <Laney> what's happening to that upstream?
[14:29] <Laney> do any of the remaining Mir usecases need it?
[14:29] <kenvandine> bitrot i guess :/
[14:29] <kenvandine> i don't think so
[14:29] <kenvandine> willcooke, ^^ right?
[14:29] <Laney> if not, feel free
[14:29] <willcooke> right, no use cases for it at this time
[14:30] <willcooke> :(
[14:30] <Laney> we have some distro patches cherry-picking new stuff for it, those could be dropped too
[14:30]  * Laney hears a wail coming from Toronto
[14:30] <kenvandine> that'll also drop the content-hub deps
[14:31] <kenvandine> :(
[14:31] <kenvandine> Laney, ok, i'll do that
[14:31] <Laney> if you want a review, push it but don't upload
[14:31] <jbicha> I think I already dropped the MIR cherry-picks when I updated gtk to 3.22.12 in artful
[14:32] <Laney> that was naughty unless you checked with someone
[14:32] <jbicha> no, I mean, they were part of the new release
[14:32] <Laney> k
[14:32] <Laney> if they came from the branch that would happen
[14:32] <jbicha> kenvandine: maybe hold off on uploading the new version a few more days for the remaining Budgie issue
[14:33] <jbicha> kenvandine: there might be a .15 release to fix that
[14:33] <Laney> don't need to take the new version now
[14:33] <kenvandine> i'll get an MR up for review
[14:38] <jbicha> what do y'all think about the headerbar patches for various apps? is it better to keep them as long as they aren't holding anything else back?
[14:40] <jbicha> or should we drop them to clean up the packaging, and make GNOME apps behave more similarly everywhere as intended by GNOME
[14:40] <kenvandine> jbicha, i'm not familiar with the headerbar patches, what do they do?
[14:41] <dobey> daker: i am no good at reading kanji :)
[14:41] <kenvandine> was that to deal with our theme?
[14:41] <daker> dobey: :D
[14:44] <jbicha> kenvandine: we have patches to several apps to use a traditional toolbar instead of GNOME's CSD headerbars, when run in Unity
[14:44] <kenvandine> oh, so only affects them under unity?
[14:44] <Laney> yeh
[14:44] <jbicha> we didn't get around to all the apps, Sudoku still has the headerbars in Unity but Nautilus has a toolbar, for instance
[14:44] <Laney> they go in and muck around with the widget hierarchy directly
[14:44] <Laney> so not exactly the most robust solution
[14:45] <kenvandine> no strong opinions from me... but i guess we'd be better off dropping them
[14:45] <kenvandine> but hate to hurt the unity experience
[14:45] <jbicha> some Unity people wanted the headerbars actually, so it might be a tossup which is better for Unity
[14:45] <dobey> someone should make CSD work under unity
[14:46] <jbicha> dobey: I believe they already work, as do light-themes
[14:46] <Laney> I think Trevinho's recent theme work improves that a bit
[14:46] <dobey> jbicha: i mean work properly
[14:46] <Laney> we used to always argue about how they break LIM
[14:47] <jbicha> gnome-sudoku seems to work fine
[14:47] <dobey> it doesn't have the ugly pixels in the corners?
[14:47] <Laney> no
[14:48]  * kenvandine loves that fix
[14:48] <jbicha> oh, I guess LIM doesn't work right with them still :|
[14:48] <dobey> what about the menus in titlebars stuff? does CSD work with that
[14:49] <jbicha> dobey: no, from what I see with gnome-sudoku
[15:10] <xnox> has anybody looked at gvfs adt failures on i386 in artful? https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-artful/artful/i386/g/gvfs/20170511_115343_1dfce@/log.gz
[15:11] <xnox> passses everywhere else
[15:11] <xnox> then again i386 is the only 32bit full VM based test bed.
[15:13]  * Laney wonders who uploaded the package that triggered this failed run ;-)
[15:29] <jbicha> xnox: I believe gvfs's autopkgtests are flaky; that's part of why I didn't update gvfs to 1.32 for zesty because I didn't want to deal with autopkgtest for it
[15:32] <jbicha> although suddenly the tests started mostly working in February
[16:10] <xnox> jbicha, ack, retry worked. i hope nobody triggers it again, such that i can land systemd \o/
[16:12] <rbasak> Is it intentional that xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is no longer seeded?
[16:13] <rbasak> I just installed a new laptop with the artful daily, and Unity's touchpad configuration is suboptimal without it installed.
[16:13] <rbasak> Looks like it has been unseeded in artful?
[16:14] <Laney> It was intentional
[16:14] <Laney> but it does create that bug...
[16:14] <jbicha> rbasak: yes, see LP: #1686081
[16:14] <rbasak> Thanks
[16:16] <rbasak> I guess there's no point in filing an installer bug?
[16:16] <rbasak> (well, a bug related to the installation of the daily)
[16:18] <willcooke> mozjs38 is ack'd by security, so we should be able to update the seeds soon \o/
[16:27] <kenvandine> willcooke, woot :)
[16:27] <Laney> cyphermox: what are you looking for subscribers on?
[16:28] <Laney> just gnome-getting-started-docs?
[16:28] <Laney> (done)
[16:57] <cyphermox> Laney: yes, thanks!
[17:03] <jbicha> Laney: could you handle a subscriber for gdm3 too since gnome-shell currently will not run if the gdm gir is not installed
[17:06]  * willcooke -> dinner.  bbl
[17:06] <Laney> jbicha: that's done
[17:06] <Laney> I missed it in the first round because it was further down
[17:11] <Laney> nighty night
[17:39] <oSoMoN> good night!
[17:59] <rbasak> jbicha: fyi, I just filed bug 1690200 which I think may be a regression in your merge of 3.24.2-0ubuntu1. But in reproducing to write up the bug report, I found a trivial workaround, so I'm going to move on.
[18:17] <jbicha> hmm, that issue doesn't affect GNOME Shell
[18:22] <Trevinho> jbicha: with patches LIM would work...
[18:22] <Trevinho> jbicha: my theory is.... If it's not hard to bring patches around, let's do that.
[18:23] <Trevinho> like if it's just 2 minutes to adapt ok, otherwise i'd drop them... But at least thing as gedit, evince and nautilus should be kept with higher consideration, as I expect still quite a considerable number of people to continue to use U7 in next LTS.
[18:24] <jbicha> rbasak: oh never mind, it's reproducible on GNOME Shell too
[18:25] <jbicha> Trevinho: some parts of Unity7 will be broken by 18.04
[18:27] <Trevinho> jbicha: what are you referring to?
[18:27] <Trevinho> jbicha: anyway, haderbars usage won't break the usability overall... So they're "ok".
[18:28] <jbicha> it looks like UOA will be completely removed (?) but Unity (shell or control-center) don't work with GOA
[18:28] <jbicha> someone that installs Unity will need -synaptics but installing that breaks GNOME
[18:30] <jbicha> several integration patches are being dropped so I guess that's not breaking Unity but it isn't as nicely integrated as 16.04
[18:35] <willcooke> night all.  London tomorrow.
[20:09]  * kenvandine had forgotten how much fun building gtk can be