[07:45] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:45] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:45] <brobostigon> morning
[08:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Eat What You Want Day! 😃  🍔 🍗 🍕
[08:49] <diplo> Morning all
[11:47] <MooDoo> howdy all
[11:54]  * zmoylan-pi spits in spitoon and orders a sarsaparilla to set the mood...
[12:00] <SuperMatt> This channel ain't big enough for the 81 of us!
[12:01]  * diddledan puts in a planning application for an extension
[12:01] <zmoylan-pi> dem's fightin' words...
[12:04]  * zmoylan-pi organises a good old fashioned barn raising for a bigger room...
[12:08] <brobostigon> maybe we need to invent a tardis to put the channel in, :D
[12:10] <zmoylan-pi> and then put a bag of holding in there to store the rubbish...
[12:48] <MooDoo> not that busy from what I see
[12:56] <zmoylan-pi> the silent masses...
[13:38] <diddledan> I don't care what you might think about Microsoft, this video is full of feels - I cried! https://youtu.be/k9Rm-U9havE
[13:41] <zmoylan-pi> the time i installed windows 95 from floppies... i cried... :-P
[13:44] <diddledan> my HTTP caching proxy has been paying dividends the past couple days - MANY rebuilds of my snap where it fetches sourcecode each time
[13:45] <Azelphur> I'm having amusement at work, CEO: "Azelphur has too much work, lets hire another Python dev", Me: "Ok, but you're gonna have a hard job finding someone with the required skillset in your budget", she finds a new guy, Knows Django, working on his masters, which is amusing since I have no qualifications whatsoever. Quits on day 1 stating "The work is too advanced for me"
[13:45] <diddledan> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/YXcOEEJZ/
[13:46] <zmoylan-pi> emmas watch is a wearable version of this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiVQcgmIi08 still impressive though. even if it only gives them a few months/years of relief
[13:46] <diddledan> nice graph - I got featured in the newsletter today
[13:46] <Azelphur> So they hire another developer, he started on Monday, linked him to the docs and told him to set up a local instance so he could work on it - silence for 3 days, then quits.
[13:46] <diddledan> number 7 on the list of top 10 snaps this month
[13:46] <diddledan> Azelphur: ouch
[13:47] <diddledan> that's a bad run
[13:47] <Azelphur> at least I have job security? XD
[13:47] <TwistedLucidity> Azelphur: Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
[13:47] <diddledan> lol
[13:47] <Azelphur> TwistedLucidity: true
[13:47] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: monkeys write the works of shakespere
[13:47] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Eventually....
[13:47] <Azelphur> It is a nice confidence boost though, especially that fully educated guy turning tail
[13:47] <Azelphur> and here's me, with no GCSEs xD
[13:48] <zmoylan-pi> have you tried manacles to keep them at the desks? :-P
[13:48] <Azelphur> haha
[13:49] <diddledan> Azelphur: I always think people freshly graduating from uni have no idea about how to actually do a job - they have read a lot and that's it - takes them 3 months to get up to speed to being in business (according to my dad who saw several over the years in broadcast engineering)
[13:49] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: We don't let graduates check code in for ~3 months. Everything passes through their mentor.
[13:50] <diddledan> I mean they can go into detail about how a thing works, but when it's broken they have zero diagnostics stills (for example)
[13:50] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: that's a good way to go
[13:50] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, expecting a developer to hit the ground running is a little much.  unless you are spending a stupid amount for a really really experienced developer
[13:50] <TwistedLucidity> And they don't have the experience to understand why clear logging is vital when a production system X thousand miles away goes down.
[13:50] <Azelphur> diddledan: yea I'd agree, it reminds me of this time I was talking to someone that had graduated from a cisco network security course, and I had a server that was under denial of service attack, I used tcpdump, found the attackers IP and firewalled it, but I was curious to know how he would have done it
[13:51] <Azelphur> he knew that he was supposed to find the attackers IP and block it, but when asked how he would do that - he had no clue
[13:51] <Azelphur> all the theory - none of the practical
[13:51] <diddledan> bingo
[13:51] <TwistedLucidity> I mighta used netstat or iotop; but same idea.
[13:52] <diddledan> I'm gonan get that printed on a shirt: "all the theory - none of the practical ~Azelphur"
[13:52] <Azelphur> hehe
[13:52] <zmoylan-pi> wouldn't it suggest that the wearer is inexperienced? :-)
[13:52] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: your point being? ;-)
[13:53] <zmoylan-pi> ::flashes bus pass...:: wallet inspector ::holds out hand expectantly:: :-P
[13:53]  * diddledan hands it over
[13:54]  * zmoylan-pi sees how poor diddledan is and puts a fiver and hands it back...
[13:54] <diddledan> I think you'll find everything in order
[13:54] <diddledan> lol
[13:56] <diddledan> duck a duck! https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/arresting-reporter-asking-questions-unacceptable-assault-first-amendment
[13:56] <diddledan> they're going after the journalists now
[13:56] <TwistedLucidity> RESPEK MAH AUTHORITAH!
[13:57] <TwistedLucidity> Only the "first amendment" bit distinguishes this as a Trump story and not a May one.
[13:57] <zmoylan-pi> prince charles hit a journalist in ireland with a sliothar earlier i think... IT HAS BEGUN...
[13:58] <TwistedLucidity> That all? I thought everything shy of tactical nuclear weapons was legal in hurly?
[13:59] <TwistedLucidity> s/hurly/hurley
[14:00] <zmoylan-pi> as long as you don't run holding the ball you're grand. running like it's the worlds most aggressive egg and spoon race with the ball at the end of your hurl and you're grand...
[14:01]  * TwistedLucidity is disappearing down a rabbit-hole of Gaelic sports on Wikipedia.....
[14:02] <zmoylan-pi> i think hurley is now on sky sports.  we usually get 1-2 articles in ireland how some match or other has folk in uk wondering who declared war on a football field...
[14:03] <TwistedLucidity> When we invent Terminators, I know where we'll be seeing them first!
[14:04]  * zmoylan-pi will send terminators to the recycle centre with a nokia in a sock as primary weapon...
[14:12] <DJones> Speaking of goning after journalists http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39882969
[14:12] <DJones> s/goning/going/
[14:14] <DJones> zmoylan-pi: I'd class hurling as a cross between hockey & rugby
[14:14] <DJones> And maybe WWE wrestling
[14:18] <zmoylan-pi> my school got kicked out of league when the opponents complained that they'd laid on 3 saint johns ambulances for them...
[14:18] <DJones> were they needed?
[14:18] <DJones> The St John's that is
[14:18] <zmoylan-pi> game was cancelled.  the 2 for the previous game wasn't enough
[14:18] <DJones> Heh
[14:18] <zmoylan-pi> kneecaps grow back, right? :-P
[14:19] <DJones> Yep....
[14:19] <DJones> ...in the 2525
[14:19] <DJones> ...in the year 2525
[14:21] <DJones> Saying that, my dad's knee is better in 2016 than it has been since the early 1960's (due to replacement, unfortunately not due to growing back)
[14:21] <Azelphur> ali1234: dat BItcoin price, you still hodling? :)
[14:25] <diddledan> poor camera dudde
[14:26] <ali1234> Azelphur: people are starting to post about how they mortaged their house to buy bitcoin, so i expect a crash to $200 before the end of the year
[14:26] <diddledan> I hope his camera is ok
[14:26] <zmoylan-pi> till the next bubble
[14:27] <diddledan> ali1234: oh god
[14:27] <diddledan> why?!
[14:27] <diddledan> why would you do that?!
[14:27] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha
[14:27] <Azelphur> thats nuts
[14:30] <Azelphur> ali1234: although on the flip side, you know I've been hodling a long time, the amount I have in BTC isn't exactly safe :)
[14:30] <Azelphur> although I don't see it dropping to $200, probably gonna crash down a bit soon but not below $1k I would think
[14:31] <ali1234> there are two big things that can cause a crash: one side or the other goes through with a hardfork, or bitfinex turns out to be insolvent (gox 2.0)
[14:31] <ali1234> either would take it well below $1000
[14:32] <Azelphur> maybe so
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> i think i saw it mentioned that the current bubble is because it became a legal tender in japan
[14:33] <ali1234> i don't believe that
[14:33] <ali1234> i think the current bubble is caused by bitfinex, just as the last one was caused by gox
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.coindesk.com/japan-bitcoin-law-effect-tomorrow/
[14:33] <ali1234> but that's just my opinion
[14:34] <zmoylan-pi> like anything in economics there are arguments every which way... :-)
[14:39] <diddledan> who are bitfinex?
[14:40] <diddledan> and therefore wwhy would they be causing a bubble?
[14:40] <ali1234> a big exchange that recently turned off fiat withdrawals
[14:40] <diddledan> oh that sounds like a bad state then
[14:40] <ali1234> forcing everyone with fiat in the exchange to buy bitcoin if they want to withdraw
[14:41] <diddledan> how do people convert to real money if the exchanges stop doing fiat?
[14:42] <ali1234> meet a shady guy in a cafe and exchange bitcoin for cash
[14:42] <diddledan> I just don't understand what about bitcoin makes it a desirable commodity and therefore have value
[14:43] <ali1234> it is trustless, uncensorable, and works over the internet
[14:44] <ali1234> it actually works more like cheques than cash
[14:52] <zmoylan-pi> it's less hassle than paypal :-)
[14:59] <Oli> diddledan, If its a limited resource and it has value to anybody, it has value. It has clear applications for criminal enterprise so however tenuous the legal uses might seem to you, enough people want it to give it a value.
[15:02] <diddledan> Oli: I guess the criminals desire it and give it a value so then the non criminals start using it because it then has value
[15:03] <diddledan> the underworld bootstrapped it for everyone else :-p
[15:03] <Oli> Well then there's the faddy investory types who use blockchain as a noun, verb and child's name.
[15:05] <ali1234> it depends whether you consider international remittance to be a crime
[15:05] <Oli> I'm not saying using it is criminal. I'm saying it's used by criminals.
[15:06] <diddledan> I got featured on OMG Ubuntu! http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/corebird-ubuntu-snap-app-available
[15:07] <ali1234> a twitter app...
[16:40] <diddledan> wat
[16:40] <diddledan> itunes is going into the windows store!
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> Oh no! That will create an infinite loop
[16:41] <diddledan> INORITE
[16:46] <diddledan> suse is gonna be available on the windows subsystem for loonicks
[16:46] <diddledan> and they're working with fedora
[16:48] <diddledan> ref: https://www.petri.com/microsoft-bringing-new-flavors-linux-windows-10
[20:10] <daftykins> oof what a day
[20:11] <daftykins> my actual house looks like a bomb went off in it :>
[20:16]  * zmoylan-pi does not claim responsibility...
[20:29] <diddledan> daftykins: how long till the work is done?
[20:29] <daftykins> i'll PM you my video from earlier, 'cause i was a rudeler in it
[20:30] <daftykins> already been some surprises so hopefully still within the 5 weeks for the bathroom
[20:31] <diddledan> wow, they're really going to town
[20:32] <daftykins> nothing left, mmm
[20:32] <daftykins> floorboards will be out eventually
[20:34] <daftykins> something something works want to be able to stand on something, the cheek!
[20:34] <daftykins> *workers
[20:37]  * daftykins rattles zmoylan-pi's cage
[20:38] <daftykins> "when shall we three meet again"
[20:45] <daftykins> diddledan: you didn't tell him to go for a long walk off a short pier again did you?
[20:45] <daftykins> you know his Pi isn't waterproof!
[20:45] <diddledan> did he burger off again?!
[20:45] <zmoylan-pi> it's also not at the mercy of builders atm... :-P
[20:46] <daftykins> the pier? ;)
[20:49] <zmoylan-pi> pier today was under cloud cover and spotty rain so didn't walk down it...
[20:50] <daftykins> ah har
[20:50] <daftykins> probably for the best
[20:51] <zmoylan-pi> it's pretty exposed so it kinda hits you sideways near the end even with a light breeze
[21:16] <daftykins> diddledan: y'know i mentioned that old 2010 iMac wouldn't boot Sierra on a clean SSD?
[21:17] <daftykins> craziest situation ever, i plugged in a flash drive with win10 on it today, turned out the batteries were dead again in the keyboard so my holding 'alt' wasn't doing anything, though amusingly the EFI somehow chainloaded the Sierra install from the 10 flash drive :D
[21:22] <zmoylan-pi> my favourite mac story was a mac mini with hardware problems.  trying to press alt at boot to get to the hardware diagnostic muenu didn't work.  took 2 days of various attempts to find the apple keyboard i was using wasn't 100% compatible with the mac mini.  had to use the menu button on apple remote to get the menu
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> wow... 12 years since leroy jenkins...
[21:27] <daftykins> :O
[21:27] <daftykins> i wonder if he ever tried such a strategy since
[21:30] <diddledan> thanks for making me feel old
[21:32] <daftykins> oh you're ancient, don't worry
[21:32]  * daftykins whistles
[21:32] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/Zoiu8_K-eZg
[21:33] <daftykins> i made the mistake of reaching my hand in toward the kitten warming herself from the PC exhaust fans at a clients place today
[21:33] <diddledan> aww
[21:33] <diddledan> she swipe at it?
[21:34] <daftykins> the important thing is i have video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwbH9uo1bic
[21:35] <diddledan> haha
[21:35] <diddledan> nice!
[21:35] <daftykins> presumably the android upload feature gives you a shoddy quality version, seemed to only upload 16MB
[21:36] <daftykins> the beep was me leaning on the UPS...
[21:38] <daftykins> she has such fluffy paws :>