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shakes808morning13:01
_stink_ yo13:04
cmaloneymorning13:05
rick_hmorning13:11
shakes808rick_h: you work on some wood projects, if i remember correctly.  What kind of hole saws do you have, if any?16:08
rick_hshakes808: I've just got an adjustable kit I use.16:08
rick_hshakes808: like http://a.co/cQHkzIv but mine has fewer sizes in it16:09
shakes808i was looking at this one: https://goo.gl/oSW48v16:12
rick_hshakes808: that pulled up a search list for me so not sure which one you're pointing at16:13
rick_hI guess what are you looking for? Feedback if that one is a good kit?16:13
shakes808gotcha, it is a 13 piece hole saw kit.16:13
shakes808I was looking at Harbor Freight, but not sure of the quality.  Reviews on it say that they are crap ( oval instead of round, dull real easily, ... )  Just wanted to know what you were using because i remember you doing a lot of wood working16:15
shakes808so i was looking at home depot and lowes to see what they had16:15
rick_hshakes808: gotcha, yea the only kit I've used it like a 7 or 9 saw one from milwaukee16:21
rick_hshakes808: has done what I needed but don't use it a ton tbh16:21
shakes808rick_h: gotcha.  thank you16:25
brousch__shakes808: In general, stuff from Harbor Freight is cheap and crappy.16:41
brousch__But sometimes that's all you need16:41
shakes808brousch__: yeah, but I have a feeling that I am going to be using it more than once.  Going to make some Cornhole boards. :-)16:46
jrwrenoh nice!16:52
cmaloneyThere's always a market for cornhole16:53
greg-gheh, I let a coworker borrow my belt at an after event party thing in Berlin and she didn't get it back to me before we flew home. She apparently had left it on my desk wrapped around an IPA. But... I don't go to the office anymore. So she's having someone mule it for me to Vienna where I'll be next week16:57
jrwrenlol17:00
rick_hgreg-g: that belt needs a frequent travel card17:00
rick_hgreg-g: but the question is...is the ipa coming with it?17:01
greg-gprobably not :)17:01
rick_hNooooooooooo17:02
shakes808:-(17:04
greg-gwe have enough IPA out here. And don't forget, I live 3 miles from the primary Lagunita's brewery17:29
shakes808greg-g: didn't heiniken just buy the other 50% of them?17:30
greg-gwhich, as of a week or so ago, is now 100% owned by Hieneken :( (for like a billion dollars, seriously)17:30
greg-gjinx ;)17:30
shakes808haha17:30
greg-gin the local newspaper reporting on it, the CEO (who is now something else within Heiniken) said "don't worry, I still wake and bake almost every day"17:31
jrwrenlol17:31
jrwrenwell, heiniken is dutch, right?17:32
greg-gtrue, but he's living here17:32
greg-gand, we have a much better supply (quality and quantity) of pot out here :)17:32
greg-g(I bet he grows his own, or has someone do it for him, since he's filthy rich now)17:33
cmaloneyI'm sure he'll wake and bake until he fully vests17:34
cmaloneythen he'll bail and sail17:34
greg-gheh17:35
greg-ghe loves the company/industry, I kinda doubt it. He has full control over what the lagunitas brand does17:36
shakes808https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/xamarin-live-player-almost-takes-the-mac-out-of-ios-development/17:36
cmaloneyInteresting17:37
shakes808Finally, Microsoft is continuing to embrace Linux developers and toolchains on Windows. The current Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) comes out of the box with support for Ubuntu; later this year, Microsoft is adding official support for a SUSE userland and a Fedora userland. It'll even be possible to install all three side by side, giving your Windows17:37
shakes808machine three different Linux personalities simultaneously. The installation of WSL is also simpler, with the three Linux environments all being installed from the Windows Store.17:37
shakes808that is pretty cool17:37
brousch__I want to get my Linux from the Windows Store!18:02
jrwrenit has the best battery life of any linux, ever.18:02
jrwrensadly, there is technically no linux there at all. no linux kernel.18:03
brousch__Ah, so you get your Ubuntu, Fedora, and Suse from the Windows Store, not you Linux?18:04
jrwrenbrousch__: well, technically, yes, but they call them linux, even though there is no linux kernel18:07
brousch__This whole thing is making me queasy18:08
jrwrenwhich?18:09
brousch__Linux in Windows18:11
jrwrenits really just for devs.18:12
jrwrenMSFT wants people to use windows and deploy their linux apps to azure and so they support devs to make "linux apps" in windows.18:12
jrwrenplus, now people can do ruby and nodejs dev in "linux in windows" where previously building certain C modules for ruby/python/node was so difficult it was practically impossible.18:13
shakes808seems like pretty soon, Windows will just be a VM for everything to run under haha18:16
jrwrenbut its not a VM.18:17
cmaloneyit's containers, right?18:24
rick_hno, it's not a container really either, no kernel18:25
rick_hwhich is :( since you can't do snaps on there atm18:25
shakes808I haven't tried to use linux with windows.   i just have my ubuntu lappy that i load right into :)18:25
jrwrenright, not containers. Your underlying windows system can interact directly with the linux subsystem and visa versa.18:25
cmaloneyso they mocked the linux sys calls?18:25
cmaloneymock the sys call18:26
cmaloneymock the sys call18:26
cmaloneysorry...18:26
shakes808This isn’t a virtual machine, a container, or Linux software compiled for Windows (like Cygwin). Instead, Windows 10 gains a Windows Subsystem for Linux, which is based on Microsoft’s abandoned Project Astoria work for running Android apps on Windows.18:26
jrwrenexaclty.18:26
shakes808https://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/18:26
jrwrennot exactly mocked, but they reimplmenet the syscalls and pass to NT kernel18:26
shakes808Microsoft has worked with Canonical to offer a full Ubuntu-based Bash shell that runs atop this subsystem. Technically, this isn’t Linux at all.18:28
shakes808I don't know.  I would rather just use straight lisux18:28
shakes808linux*18:28
cmaloneysame18:28
cmaloneyor just have Microsoft put in some effort into WINE so we can treat it likenthe legacy system Wkndows is. ;)18:29
cmaloneysine this seems like reverse-Wine for Windows18:30
jrwrenoh definitely prefer full linux.18:30
ZimdaleI too like to drink wine18:32
Zimdaleoh18:32
Zimdaleyou meant the windows thing...18:32
ZimdaleI'll see myself out18:32
shakes808Zimdale: :) Got a case being delivered next week :)  Michigan By The Bottle :) Check it out if you haven't :)  They have only MI wines :)18:41
Zimdalemichigan wine deliveries are a pain in the ass :(18:41
ZimdaleI can't wait until they fix that up, we will hopefully get into wine trading at work and life will be amazing!18:41
rick_hI've given up on michigan wine.18:42
shakes808this is a brick and mortar that you have to go pick it up from them :)18:42
Zimdaleoh18:42
shakes808:)  They get wines from michigan and sell it at their place.18:43
ZimdaleWe found a place near where we live that has a bottle of 1977 port18:43
ZimdaleI really want it but I don't want to spend the monies :(18:43
shakes808they don't really sell glasses of wines, but flights.  they are a tasting room18:43
ZimdaleIt's beautiful18:43
shakes808mmmm a good port :) haven't had one in  a long time18:44
shakes808http://www.michiganbythebottle.com/18:44
ZimdaleThere's a place in royal oak that makes a pretty good port for just like candy18:45
Zimdalea lot of nice chocolate ports18:45
brousch__rick_h: Have you visited the SE MI wineries? Tabor Hill, St. Julian?19:12
ZimdaleSt. Julian is one of the few that have catawba wine :)19:13
brousch__Sorry, SW MI19:13
rick_hbrousch__: no, more north ones and been to a couple of "michigan wine" events that have wineries from around MI bring their stuff in for tasting19:14
brousch__You really should spend a weekend there.19:15
brousch__St. Joseph19:16
cmaloneyI think I have found my calling:19:40
cmaloneyBackpacking as a service19:40
cmaloneyso you get someone to don a backpack for you and trudge across Europe19:40
cmaloneyand you can live through their experiences through blog posts and photos19:41
cmaloneyso you'll never have to leave the comfort of your home19:41
cmaloneyTHink that is good for 10 mil in VC funding?19:41
cmaloneyIt's like Uber for the disconnected class19:42
_stink_got a good name?19:43
_stink_that might be all that matters19:43
cmaloneyBkPkr19:43
cmaloneyOr, we could capitalize on people sitting on their butts while backpacking19:44
cmaloneyand call it ButtPckr19:44
cmaloneyHaven't sorted that out yet19:44
_stink_i like the direction thougjh19:45
widoxlol19:46
widoxI think you might get the wrong attention with ButtPckr19:46
shakes808... For some reason I think that you will have a lot of IP addresses from San Fran and Ferndale with that last one ... haha19:47
cmaloneyDear VC Angels: Send me your money19:48
brousch__Isn't Google already doing that?19:51
brousch__https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06/if-worthy-google-will-lend-you-its-42lb-15-camera-backpack-for-an-adventure/19:51
cmaloneyAnyone want to be a Delphi developer? Got a lead on a position that's underpaying in Ann Arbor23:55
cmaloney"You will assist the team in modernizing a large mission-critical application that is used by companies around the world to ensure the stability of electrical grids."23:56
cmaloneyExcellent programming skills in an object oriented language such as C++ or Delphi23:56
cmaloneyIf you do not already know Delphi, your willingness to learn Delphi is a requirement23:56
cmaloneyActually, I misread. They're not too bad for a Delphi developer23:57

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