[09:40] <Chip_> Hello .I have a question abou xfce power manager in xubuntu .I installed xubuntu in dell e4200 .I can control screen brightness with hotkey , but brightness setting in xfce power manager is not works , screen dim not works too.What should i do ?
[10:58] <blip-> Hi, after few hours of usage (and maybe related to screensaver or suspending my laptop) - Thunar takes like 10seconds to open and sometimes windows freeze forever.    I can't even find the process to kill it
[10:58] <blip-> any thoughts ?
[12:29] <bonsaitree> Is there a fix for the network-manager problem in 17.04?
[14:11] <martron> Hi, I installed Xubuntu 17.04 a couple days ago on my XPS 13 9360.  Since then every once in a while xorg uses 100% CPU for a while.  Primarily this occurs right after boot or resuming from suspend.  I've read through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/HighCPU but none of those situations seem to match mine.
[14:12] <martron> Does anyone have suggestions on how I can figure out what Xorg is trying to do?
[14:24] <martron> Here's my Xorg.0.log: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/826812e3808aa22f531cbfe19521f8b3
[18:13] <sorinello> Hey guys, is there any xfce app that is the UI for gnome-keyring ?
[18:16] <encomjones> not a specific xfce app no, but there is always seahorse
[18:18] <sorinello> thanks
[18:18] <encomjones> np
[18:34] <dpohlman> Trying to get window decorations to show up after enabling compiz, stuff I am seeing after googling is old and does not seem to work.  Anyone know how to do this on 17.04?
[18:46] <sugardrunk> diogenes_: get your gpu drivers correct, check for the fresh desktop-candy... you got the drivers good?
[18:46] <sugardrunk> diogenes_: sorry wrong dude
[18:46] <sugardrunk> he left...
[18:48] <diogenes_> sugardrunk, lol, I'm glad you didn't confuse me with your gf
[18:48] <dpohlman> Anyone using compiz?
[18:48] <diogenes_> i do
[18:50] <dpohlman> When I enable it, the windows decorations go away
[18:51] <diogenes_> install emeral
[18:51] <diogenes_> emerald
[18:51] <sugardrunk> diogenes_: lol me too
[18:54] <dpohlman> emerald doesn't seem to be in the default repos
[18:55] <diogenes_> dpohlman, what distro?
[18:55] <dpohlman> xubuntu 17.04
[18:56] <diogenes_> dpohlman, try on github look for emerald wm and also look for ppa
[18:56] <diogenes_> xfce+compiz+emerald=the most awesome desktop experience ever
[19:03] <dpohlman> added webupd8 ppa and it says it has emerald but when i try to install it says package is not found.
[19:03] <dpohlman> maybe need to drop to xenial?
[19:04] <diogenes_> what ppa you added?
[19:04] <dpohlman> https://launchpad.net/~nilarimogard/+archive/ubuntu/webupd8
[19:06] <diogenes_> dpohlman, try this: https://github.com/compiz-reloaded/emerald
[19:06] <diogenes_> if  you don't know what to do then ask
[19:07] <dpohlman> Had to go back to vivid and then it would install
[19:07] <diogenes_> ok
[19:08] <sugardrunk> what's the reason emerald was abandoned? it has been gone for some time I think
[19:08] <sugardrunk> but seems to be updated well enough
[19:08] <diogenes_> sugardrunk, no clue, no one needed it but it's really cool
[19:08] <sugardrunk> yea, some people like the candy :)
[19:08] <sugardrunk> I don't :)
[19:08] <diogenes_> it's no about the candy
[19:09] <sugardrunk> usability?
[19:09] <diogenes_> it's a bneccesity when you use compiz
[19:09] <sugardrunk> oh ok, only tried compiz long time ago with p4 amd athlon :)
[19:09] <sugardrunk> i just install debian or xubuntu (and get rid of lots of stuff)
[19:10] <sugardrunk> if I want a working lightweight system
[19:10] <sugardrunk> just love the plain xfce :)
[19:10] <diogenes_> if xfwm4 would have had a good screen magnifier then I wouldn't need compiz but ...
[19:10] <sugardrunk> (of course it has some flaws...)
[19:10] <sugardrunk> diogenes_: I get you... it is usability and such
[19:11] <diogenes_> sugardrunk, yes
[19:11] <sugardrunk> nee customization... everyone has their needs
[19:11] <sugardrunk> *ned
[19:11] <sugardrunk> ..
[19:11] <sugardrunk> :D
[19:11] <diogenes_> haha looks like the second part pf ypur nickname comes into play XD
[19:11] <sugardrunk> :)
[19:11] <diogenes_> your*
[21:24] <holla> xubuntu 14.0.4.5 - firefox crashes immediatley. does someone know anything about this problem?
[21:25] <mrkramps> holla, rename your profile directory and try starting the browser
[21:26] <mrkramps> best in terminal and check possible error messages
[21:30] <holla> mrkramps: hi, we tried rhat already. here's a crash report, if you're interested: bp-6920931e-a2a9-41a0-b141-18d741170510
[21:31] <holla> ^rhat^all that
[21:31] <mrkramps> holla, what's your firefox version?
[21:31] <mrkramps> apt-cache policy firefox
[21:31] <holla> lates stable 53
[21:31] <holla> latest
[21:33] <holla> it seems a common problem lately: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/signature/?platform=Linux&product=Firefox&signature=EnterBaseline&date=%3E%3D2016-06-01T00%3A00%3A00.000Z&date=%3C2017-05-11T20%3A09%3A00.000Z#graph
[21:33] <mrkramps> holla, firefox addons in use?
[21:33] <holla> see crash report - no addons atm
[21:34] <mrkramps> strange, i just know of a fixed issue after upgrading 51 to 52
[21:34] <mrkramps> holla, have you tried reinstalling?
[21:34] <holla> yeap
[21:35] <mrkramps> sudo apt-get clean ; sudo apt-get install --reinstall firefox
[21:35] <holla> new profile, safe-mode also
[21:35] <holla> strange thing is - chromium also fails
[21:37] <mrkramps> hm, must be some shared lib then
[21:37] <holla> think so - but the reason is unknown atm?
[21:38] <holla> is there an esr version?
[21:39] <encomjones> if you run it from a terminal do you get any error messages
[21:43] <holla> encomjones: lol - loads of .. have you ever tried it yourself? but most of them are irrelevant
[21:44] <encomjones> mine does not crash so I don't have to, but I have done that with other applications and sometimes it produces errors messages that help
[21:44] <encomjones> but in your case I guess not
[21:44] <mrkramps> only the last messages befor the crash are interesting
[21:46] <mrkramps> holla, do you have an old CPU?
[21:46] <holla> but firefox is different - it's constantly complaining about something. but i could ask the user.
[21:46] <holla> mrkramps: yes, i think he does
[21:46] <mrkramps> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i sse2
[21:47] <mrkramps> latest firefox requires a CPU with SSE3
[21:47] <mrkramps> *SSE2
[21:48] <holla> okay, i'll have tk ask, but i think it's not that old - i mean sse2? that must be older than 15 years or so?
[21:48] <mrkramps> pentium 4 and such
[21:48] <mrkramps> athlon xp
[21:48] <holla> 10-15yrs
[21:48] <mrkramps> pentium 4 is not too rare even nowadays
[21:48] <holla> that's very old - but i'll check that - thanks
[21:49] <holla> how about esr under xubuntu?
[21:49] <mrkramps> holla, manual install required, but possible
[21:50] <holla> direct dl?
[21:50] <mrkramps> and chromium is afaik affected by the same issue
[21:50] <mrkramps> palemoon might be an alternative as well
[21:51] <holla> pale is in apts?
[21:51] <mrkramps> nope
[21:51] <mrkramps> but there might be appropiate ppas for firefox esr and pale moon
[21:51] <holla> dillo works though, but somehow the user isn't satisfied with it ;)
[21:52] <mrkramps> =D
[21:53] <holla> but i think you might be right - guess it's due to hw incompatibilty
[21:53] <mrkramps> as chromium is affected as well this sounds reasonable
[21:54] <holla> mrkramps: thanks. i'll contact the user and report back, if he does ...
[21:54] <mrkramps> holla, qupzilla is a webkit bowser which might help as well
[21:54] <holla> webkit
[21:54] <mrkramps> but webkit from repository is quite old and less secure
[21:54] <mrkramps> but otherwise it is a good browser
[21:54] <holla> how about opera
[21:55] <mrkramps> dunno about opera's system requirements
[21:55] <mrkramps> isn't is chromium based?
[21:55] <holla> ver 12.x is still without webkit
[21:55] <xangua> Opera adds it's own repository when you install it
[21:56] <holla> xangua: huh? own repo *after* installing?
[21:56] <mrkramps> holla, opera DOES require SSE2 as well
[21:56] <holla> mrkramps: new or old one as well?
[21:56] <holla> xangua: meta package in main repo?
[21:56] <mrkramps> do you think it is a good idea to install an "old" browser nowadays?
[21:57] <xangua> No
[21:57] <mrkramps> oh, and pale moon does require SSE2 no as well :\
[21:57] <holla> afaik - opera is still maintained in 2 versions - one with and one without webkit
[21:58] <mrkramps> ok, give it a try then
[21:58] <holla> so the old version (12) only gets sec updated/patches
[21:58] <xangua> Who knows 🤔
[21:59] <holla> xangua: what vers of opera are available by default?
[22:00] <xangua> If you mean in official repository, I think 12
[22:01] <holla> cool, thanks
[22:01] <holla> okay guys - thank you very much :D
[23:03] <slee> hi, just noticed there was an API change(and update) for the xfce4 weather plugin, any plans on xubuntu updating anytime soon?
[23:04] <mrkramps> 17.04 ships the fixed xfce4-weather-plugin 0.8.9
[23:15] <Spass_> slee: you can get a package from there > http://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/xfce4-weather-plugin
[23:16] <slee> thanks
[23:16] <Spass_> I don't see any difference in dependencies so it should install with no issues
[23:17] <Spass_> (comparing to version from 16.04)
[23:21] <slee> confirmed, that package does install/work on 16.04
[23:21] <slee> thanks again