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JanCit's just different userlands for their linux subsystem, I'm sure03:11
JanCwhich in Windows 10 is replacing their older UNIX/POSIX subsystem03:12
=== Mr_0_ is now known as Mr_0
Mr_0mornin'03:20
lotuspsychjegood morning to all04:15
Mr_0mornin' lotuspsychje04:23
lotuspsychjehey Mr_004:25
lotuspsychjeMr_0: what timezone are you in?04:25
Mr_0hmm...gmt +2? Norway anyways..same as Amsterdam04:26
Mr_0and you lotuspsychje ?04:26
JanCCEST04:26
Mr_0ah04:27
JanC(aka Central European Summer Time)04:27
Mr_0yep you got it04:27
Mr_0morning JanC :)04:27
lotuspsychjeMr_0: cool! im brussels timezone04:31
lotuspsychjeMr_0: ducasse is also from norway04:31
Mr_0ah hello fellow european :)04:31
lotuspsychjemorning wafflejock and JanC04:31
Mr_0ah cool04:31
* Mr_0 sips more coffey, waiting for kids to wake up04:33
Mr_0a bit to early here....should be coffee ;)04:34
lotuspsychjecoffee & irc mmm perfect!04:35
Mr_0indeed :D04:35
lotuspsychjeMr_0: what do they kids think of dad on linux?04:35
lotuspsychjethey think its cool?04:35
Mr_0also some pianosessions from Nils Fhram04:35
Mr_0heh...not my kids...tho I have one on the way. They are mesmerized by the scrolling text in irssi and my dual screens lotuspsychje ;)04:36
lotuspsychjehaha04:37
Mr_0:)04:37
lotuspsychjecongrats with the new kid Mr_004:37
Mr_0thanks lotuspsychje :) we are pretty exited ;)04:38
Mr_0you got any kids lotuspsychje ?04:38
lotuspsychjeMr_0: no04:38
Mr_0I'm 37 so it was about time ;)04:39
lotuspsychje40 here04:39
Mr_0ah oldie linux user?04:39
Mr_0hehe ;)04:39
lotuspsychjeyep04:41
Mr_0:)04:41
lotuspsychjestarted with an old redhat something on gnome04:41
Mr_0i started with redhat around 200204:41
Mr_0snap04:41
Mr_0:)04:41
lotuspsychjehehe04:41
Mr_0cool lotuspsychje04:41
lotuspsychjehad to fight hours to get internet working at that time04:41
Mr_0yep04:41
lotuspsychjebut the coolness of linux triggered me alot04:42
Mr_0yes same here, always liked it :)04:42
Mr_0tho it was a bigger struggle back then04:42
lotuspsychjeit had something 'spacy'04:42
Mr_0;)04:42
lotuspsychjelike a cockpit of a spaceship lol04:42
Mr_0haha yes04:43
lotuspsychjeMr_0: these days i got ubuntu installed on all my machines, and started an ubuntu business04:44
Mr_0wow cool lotuspsychje  :)04:44
lotuspsychjeMr_0: what distro are you on?04:44
lotuspsychjecheck your invite Mr_004:45
Mr_0well...ubuntu really..but it is peppermint...just installed the pkg's so it works as ubuntu04:45
wafflejockhiya lotuspsychje04:46
lotuspsychjeMr_0: nice04:46
lotuspsychje85mb update this morning guys04:53
lotuspsychje!info firefox xenial04:53
ubot5firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 53.0.2+build1-0ubuntu0.16.04.2 (xenial), package size 47133 kB, installed size 111982 kB04:53
lotuspsychje!info childsplay | Mr_0 for the kid(s)05:00
ubot5Mr_0 for the kid(s): childsplay (source: childsplay): Suite of educational games for young children. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.5-1 (xenial), package size 19818 kB, installed size 27323 kB05:00
lordievaderGood morning06:15
lotuspsychjemorning lordievader06:23
ducassemorning, guys06:24
lordievaderHey lotuspsychje, ducasse. How are you two?06:27
ducassebarely awake, overslept a bit today :) and you, lordievader?06:28
lordievaderBit tired, but nothing coffee cannot fix.06:29
lotuspsychjehey ducasse06:30
lordievaderThough of trying out Matrix's home server.06:30
lotuspsychjerainy day here06:31
ducasselotuspsychje: that looks interesting, just looked it up06:33
ducasselordievader: ^^06:40
lordievaderThe talk at FOSDEM was quite interesting.06:46
ducassei assume they hope this will be a major player in both text chat, video calls etc? any other interesting functions?06:50
lotuspsychjebreakfast bbl06:55
ducasseenjoy06:55
lordievaderFrom what I've heared yesterday it is growing quite rapidly. The main matrix channel, when compared to IRC channels, is the third largest or so.07:04
lordievaderThe main thing is that it connects different protocols together.07:04
lordievaderFor the user the different protocols become transparent.07:05
ducassei see, so a new protocol is just a plugin?07:09
lordievaderSort of, I don't know the full details, but that is how I understood it.07:27
lordievaderYou can try it out here: https://riot.im/app/07:27
ducassei was looking at it now :) also checking out the homeserver, this is interesting stuff. they even have a weechat plugin! \o/07:29
lordievader[m]Hello07:38
lordievader\o/07:38
lotuspsychjeoi07:38
lotuspsychjematrix shell07:38
lordievaderCool, that works :D07:38
lotuspsychjewelcome tarzeau07:39
tarzeaure07:39
lotuspsychjewelcome fr0tzed07:39
fr0tzedhi07:39
lotuspsychjewelcome scythefwd07:39
scythefwdhola07:40
tarzeaufr0tzed: is that my? desktop?07:40
lordievader[m]ducasse: the nice thing is that it gives you push notifications to your phone07:41
fr0tzedno the cannel07:41
tarzeaufr0tzed: nope, my desktops look like this: http://www.aiei.ch/gnustep/screenshots/ and http://www.aiei.ch/gnustep/www.levenez.com/07:41
lordievader[m]We were talking about that yesterday, that 'normal' irc bouncers don't do that.07:41
tarzeauno i don't have any channels07:41
scythefwdI keep trying to get lighter and lighter with my wdm.. right now I keep going back and forth between cinnimon and mate for my dm07:41
fr0tzedyou always upload ss of your desktop07:41
tarzeaufr0tzed: the one with ubuntu/unity is the one for @work, for our users (~1200)07:42
fr0tzedah ok07:42
tarzeauthat's what they get when they get their account sheet, and login by default07:42
scythefwdso you're using it in an enterprise environment?07:42
tarzeau(meanwhile it's a single icon for system stuff (with right mouse button, context menu) and one for science)07:43
fr0tzedim not using ubuntu on this laptop :$07:43
scythefwdhow are you maintaining sw baselines for patching?07:43
tarzeauscythefwd: yes07:43
tarzeauscythefwd: we run dphys-config and aptitude-robot for the configuration and security updates07:43
tarzeauand maintain a /opt with scientific software (mathematica, maple, matlab, nonfree stuff) and the rest gets packaged into debian, then moves to ubuntu07:43
tarzeau(largetifftools, gnudatalanguage, form, lie, just to name a few)07:44
tarzeauabout 120 workstations07:44
scythefwdoh, thats not that bad then..07:44
scythefwdI wasnt the admin of it, but we used puppet.. and it looked like a lot more work than it should have been07:44
tarzeauno, especially we have some very powerful machines (one with 512 GB memory :)07:44
scythefwdthats not bad.. virtualization host?07:44
fr0tzedthat is some fast shit right here07:44
tarzeauyeah we also looked at puppet, and it's not like unix, easy and simple07:44
tarzeaupuppet is like samba configuration, and the real unix way would be nfs /etc/exports07:45
scythefwdwe had it on a hadoop cluster with something like 120 nodes07:45
tarzeaudphys-config was done with the unix way in mind07:45
lordievader[m]Puppet is quite nice though, especially  when combined with Foreman.07:45
tarzeauone line, one thing. just works(tm)07:45
lotuspsychje!info puppet07:45
ubot5puppet (source: puppet): configuration management system, agent. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.8.5-2ubuntu0.1 (xenial), package size 12 kB, installed size 59 kB07:45
tarzeau!info dphys-config07:45
ubot5dphys-config (source: dphys-config): Tool to distribute config files. In component universe, is optional. Version 20130301~current-1 (xenial), package size 42 kB, installed size 182 kB07:45
fr0tzedhey thats a nice bot07:45
tarzeau!info aptitude-robot07:45
ubot5aptitude-robot (source: aptitude-robot): Automate package choice management. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.4-1 (xenial), package size 23 kB, installed size 79 kB07:45
tarzeauand we're monitoring actively services/hosts https://xymon.phys.ethz.ch/xymon/xymon.html07:46
tarzeauand the installation of a computer is fully automatic, from netboot with pxe, meanwhile ipxe, and preseeding and disk configuration, filesystems, os install...07:46
tarzeaugbit internet connected, no firewall07:46
fr0tzedno firewall?07:47
tarzeauunfortunately we don't get 10gbit in the offices, only server rooms07:47
tarzeauyes, no firewall. we want to work :)07:47
tarzeauall with public ips07:47
scythefwdwe had a few hosts that were running 32 procs with 256 gb of ram on em07:47
fr0tzedopsec opsec opsec07:47
lotuspsychjehttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntu-is-coming-to-windows-store07:48
fr0tzedubuntu in windows wtf07:48
scythefwdyeah, is that like a vm or more of teh bash on windows .. haven tfound any more info on it07:48
fr0tzedah ok, not using windows at all07:49
scythefwdI go back and forth.. I'm a windows sys admin for a living, and for some things I feel it has it right, other things.. not so much07:49
lotuspsychjei dont like that MS loves linux story at all07:50
lotuspsychjesurely a comerical trick to gain popularity07:50
tarzeaui wonder when people start using swift on linux...07:50
scythefwdthey've had a linux team for years..07:50
fr0tzedms win10 is the shittiest of them all07:50
scythefwdlike pre sco unix trying to rape ibm days07:51
scythefwdwhy do you say that fr0tzed?07:51
fr0tzedhave you worked with it scythefwd ?07:51
scythefwdyeah, I have07:51
fr0tzedwell than you knonw what im talking about07:52
fr0tzedfirst of all lets start with the privacy policies07:52
scythefwdboth in a small environment of about 2k hosts.. and were looking at deploying to a 20k user environment07:52
scythefwdhehe.. we lock that down by policy.. drop it on the domain and the security software gets installed..07:52
fr0tzedmay the lord be with u07:52
scythefwdlol07:52
lotuspsychjehey EriC^^07:53
fr0tzedwin7 is the best in my opinion07:53
EriC^^hey lotuspsychje07:53
fr0tzedno marketing bullshit07:53
scythefwdthey were "smart" about it.. using port 80 for a lot of the comms07:53
fr0tzedreally smart07:53
scythefwdyou mean the ads?  Those are easy to shut off man07:53
fr0tzednot the only the ads07:53
scythefwdI'd walk ya through it.. but I'm not on my windows boxen07:53
fr0tzedthey sell your shit07:54
lotuspsychjefr0tzed: keep the channel familly friendly plz07:54
fr0tzedlotuspsychje, i am frinedly :)07:54
scythefwdtrue.. I'm guessing your not running an android phone, done use google or bing or yahoo search and wont touch apple devices right?07:54
fr0tzedi am that guy yes hahaha07:54
fr0tzedwell i have a iphone because its more secure than android phones :)07:55
scythefwdI'm the guy with a 32gb card in my phone.. have less than 10 aps on it lol07:55
fr0tzedhaha07:55
fr0tzedDont trust those companies07:56
scythefwdI'm using.. .. 10 gb storage lol07:56
fr0tzed32 storage on my phone thats enough07:56
scythefwdok..brain farting. human readable disk utilization in cli?07:57
fr0tzedSinds i read the books of  glenn greenwald and others. getting a bit paranoide07:57
fr0tzedhehe07:57
scythefwdand how do I interrupt and kill a program in cli vs. just moving it to a background process?07:57
fr0tzedpkill pgrep07:59
scythefwdI know kill -9 pid..07:59
scythefwdthought there was a simpler way than doing a ps -e |grep  .. especially when I dont know the process name .. just what the gui says it is08:00
fr0tzedbest way to kill ur process is rm -rf /08:00
fr0tzed:)08:00
lotuspsychjefr0tzed: dont paste such commands in here plz08:00
scythefwdgot to do that once.. wasn't nearly as fun as I thought it was08:00
fr0tzedlotuspsychje, we all know that its a joke right08:01
scythefwdhad to blow the box away anyways.. it didnt touch /boot or the kernel08:01
fr0tzedrip08:01
fr0tzedgotta go boys, back in 15 min08:01
ducassefr0tzed: it's still not allowed, everyone might not know that08:01
fr0tzedAh ok srry08:04
scythefwdthe funny thing was.. we had a bunch of linux admins around me.. I was like guys... I always wanted to try this.. I'm gonna do the forbidden command.. and next thing i know.. 5 admins hovering.. they never saw it done either08:04
scythefwdso.. I've been test driving linux for a week this time.. only booting into windows to access sites that required my pki certs.. to dl the installer to get my linux using my pki (hows that for irony.. usually I boot into linux to get my windows running)08:07
scythefwdand I'm satisfied the gui is mostly sufficient for the grandma and grandpa type home user.. where do I go now to play with it cli only.. any suggetions? (yes, I know, yall are biased .. obvious answer is ubuntu server right?008:08
fr0tzedyeah ubuntu server08:17
fr0tzedor boot desktop into cli08:17
fr0tzedget cheap vps and play with it08:24
scythefwdvps?08:29
fr0tzedvirtual private server?08:33
scythefwdah, a vm08:34
fr0tzedor get a raspberry pi08:34
fr0tzedi use raspberry pi alot for testing stuff and exploring new things08:34
scythefwdI'll spin up a vm on my desktop.. it should be sufficient to handle the load08:34
fr0tzedor a vm indeed08:35
scythefwdI think I can spare a core or two and 16gb of ram.. that will work for a core install right? O:-)08:37
fr0tzedhow much ram you got jesus08:37
scythefwd32 gb08:40
scythefwdspecifically for doing vm's08:40
fr0tzed4x8 nice08:40
scythefwdI'll drop down my running services to pretty much bare minimum, then fire up two or 3 vms to play with08:41
fr0tzedwhat are you running? windows right08:41
scythefwdthe os claims I have 8 cpus.. really just 4 with HT08:41
scythefwddepends on my mood08:41
fr0tzeddual boot?08:42
scythefwdbut I generally run windows on that box, linux or windows on the laptop08:42
fr0tzedah ok08:42
scythefwdosx on another08:42
scythefwdI try to stay os agnostic for the most part08:42
scythefwdhad a server for a while that was running ms hyperv server.. its like an esxi server.. but windows based lol08:43
scythefwdhad an install size of a whopping 125mb? or was it 225?08:43
fr0tzedhavent work with hyperv for a long time mostly use esxi08:43
fr0tzedhttps://gfycat.com/SecretSimilarDuckbillplatypus08:43
scythefwdhas come a long way from version 2 to version 3.. massive improvement, still has some work to do08:44
fr0tzedswitching like every week from os on my pc08:44
scythefwdlol.. wonder what interface he had on the backgroun lighting08:45
fr0tzedlooks pretty cool08:45
fr0tzedbut I wont use it08:46
fr0tzedseems anoying08:46
scythefwdyup.. the flashing would be annoying.. just wondering if hes using one of the smart led bulbs.. the ones that had the bash vulnerability in them08:48
fr0tzedmaybe08:52
immuducasse, EriC^^09:17
lotuspsychje!info linux-image-generic xenial09:17
ubot5linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.77.83 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 13 kB09:17
lotuspsychjehey brunch87509:27
brunch875good late morning!09:27
brunch875almost half may already, time surely flies09:28
lotuspsychjeyeah almost summertime09:29
scythefwdman.. I'm gonna be hurting today.. gotta be at work in 3.5 hours09:30
* lordievader[m] has just updated his kernel to 4.11.009:30
scythefwdpeace folks.. gonna go try and sleep for a couple before I have to adult09:33
brunch875what's new in 4.11?09:39
lordievader[m]Haven't really looked. Hoped it would solve my random locking problems.09:39
CoderEuropelordievader[m], what locking problems ? What os / DE you usin' ?09:40
CoderEuropelordievader[m], hello ?09:40
lordievader[m]Gentoo/Plasma5, from one moment to the other, poof. frozen.09:41
lordievader[m]Must say I have not done any investigation ;)09:41
CoderEuropegentoo - is sabyon .09:41
CoderEuropeplasma 5 is kde neon09:41
lordievader[m]I believe it is the other way around.09:41
CoderEuropehow to kde neon plasma 5 ?09:42
lordievader[m]No, plasma 5 is the name of the DE. KDE Neon is an implementation.09:42
CoderEuropelordievader[m], your complicating things.09:42
lordievader[m]Erm, no?09:43
CoderEuropeuse sabyon - or ubuntu09:43
lordievader[m]No, have used Kubuntu in the past, switched for good reasons.09:43
lordievader[m]I'm satisfied with Gentoo.09:44
lotuspsychjewelcome TomyWork09:44
TomyWorkhi09:44
brunch875lordievader[m], is much knowledge required to use Gentoo?09:44
lotuspsychjesome ops are active in here also TomyWork09:44
brunch875I might give it a go some day09:44
CoderEuropelordievader[m], https://youtu.be/37mWf_MAeJM?t=1m5s09:44
lordievader[m]brunch875: At first it might be a bit daunting, but you do learn a lot about how Linux works.09:45
lordievader[m]CoderEurope: ?09:45
lordievader[m]brunch875: The documentation is quite well written, so if you follow that you should be fine.09:45
brunch875lordievader[m], I'm fine as long as stuff doesn't break all the time and it doesn't need constant hackery09:45
lordievader[m]brunch875: It ain't arch :P09:46
* brunch875 chuckles09:46
ducasselordievader[m]: as a long-time bsd user, gentoo is nice :) i still prefer arch now, though.09:52
lordievader[m]ducasse: To each their own ;)09:52
brunch875I was wondering if I should do LFS first09:59
lordievader[m]Haven't done LFS myself, but I see the installation as the Gentoo install without the nice tools.10:00
lordievader[m]ducasse: if you do try it out, let me know of your experience10:05
ducasselordievader[m]: try out what - lfs?11:26
lordievader[m]Yes, I'd like to know how difficult it is/how much you are left to yourself.11:27
lordievader[m]Hihihi: https://imgur.com/gallery/YPEpj11:28
ducassehehe - nice :)11:29
BluesKajHowdy folks11:30
ducasselordievader[m]: i tried lfs out years ago, you are really on your own. imo i wouldn't use it on anything i intend to use daily, but it's interesting for building a specialized system etc.11:30
ducasse\o BluesKaj11:31
BluesKajhi ducasse11:32
lordievader[m]ducasse: I see11:32
lordievader[m]Hey BluesKaj11:32
lordievader[m]How are you doing?11:32
BluesKajhi lordievader[m] , ok here, and you?11:32
lordievader[m]Doing good here :)11:33
ducasselordievader[m]: it's not really difficult as long as you either know what you're doing or are willing to read docs, but it can be a bit fiddly (if you understand what i mean).11:34
lordievader[m]Oh yeah.11:36
ducasselots of little things you need to think about that would normally be invisible, more or less.11:37
lordievader[m]Little things like?11:37
ducasselordievader[m]: take a look at the index here, it's a ton of things. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/11:39
lotuspsychjehey BluesKaj11:40
lordievader[m]Uch, the menu alreadly looks like too much work.11:40
ducasseyou normally don't think about what options to build ncurses with, for example11:41
lordievader[m]True, in Gentoo the default use flags are usually sufficient.11:42
ducasseright. this is what you do if you need to tune every little thing, and that's what i meant by 'fiddly'11:43
lordievader[m]Right, I get it now.11:44
ducasseit's not really well suited for a daily driver, imo. for that custom box in a closet that monitors whatever, sure.11:45
ducasseoerheks: how relevant do you think that bug report is now, will the desktop continue to be a first-class citizen at canonical? i'm not entirely convinced of that...11:57
oerheksme too, i asked SABDFL about adding android to that bugreport, it is declined11:59
ducasselol12:02
ducasseoerheks: out of the areas they said are now the focus it seemed to be almost all server stuff, with iot as a footnote12:11
CoderEuropemaybe i shouldn't ask toddy12:11
lotuspsychjehttps://arstechnica.com/security/2017/05/the-hijacking-flaw-that-lurked-in-intel-chips-is-worse-than-anyone-thought/12:29
lotuspsychjethe whole world is one big backdoor12:30
fr0tzedsup12:32
EriC^^j #ubuntu12:39
lordievader[m]Hey EriC^^12:39
EriC^^hey lordievader[m]12:39
lordievader[m]How are you doing?12:39
EriC^^good thanks, yourself?12:39
lordievader[m]Bit tired, other than that doing good :)12:40
EriC^^good :)12:40
immuducasse,hi15:25
CoderEuropedell lappies are trending again on feebay [ 05Dell ] | https://www.ebay.co.uk/trending16:00
CoderEuropedunno if people shall wake up the dell PPA again thru this ?16:00
immu.16:52
CoderEuropeKubuntu testing day | 20:00 UTC today | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHZAH8SZD4E freenode #ubuntu-on-air17:34
immu.17:36
EriC^^hey immu17:37
EriC^^how's it going?17:37
immuhey eric18:47
immui am cool18:47
immuwatchig tv18:47
immuducasse, hi20:09
scythefwdanyone use docky?20:33
lotuspsychjenot me20:33
Bashing-omnor me ^20:33
lotuspsychje!info docky | scythefwd mean this right?20:34
ubot5scythefwd mean this right?: docky (source: docky): Elegant, powerful, clean dock. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.1.1-1 (xenial), package size 609 kB, installed size 3329 kB20:34
scythefwdyes20:34
lotuspsychjescythefwd: what about it?20:34
scythefwdinstalled it, no docklets installed20:35
lotuspsychjescythefwd: okay?20:35
scythefwdtrying to find out how to install them20:36
lotuspsychjescythefwd: for ubuntu questions you can join #ubuntu right20:36
scythefwddidnt think this was as much ubuntu related as its not part of the default distro install20:37
lotuspsychjescythefwd: well if docky hasnt a special channel or so, it still is an official ubuntu package, so its supported20:39
scythefwdgotcha20:40
lotuspsychjescythefwd: but maybe this can help? http://wiki.go-docky.com/index.php%3Ftitle%3DList_of_docklets20:41
scythefwdlists them, but doesnt show how to install them20:44
lotuspsychjeits been a long time i played with it20:45
ducassescythefwd: did you look in /usr/share/docs/docky, for instance? might be something there. or search for a homepage or archive of it. but lotus is right, this isn't a support channel.20:45
scythefwdthats what I'm doing now is pouring over the wiki20:46
scythefwdwell, off to #ubuntu20:48
lotuspsychjeevening xangua20:48
xanguaHey20:49
xanguaNo word on #yunit for days20:49
lotuspsychjexangua: #ubports pretty dead calm aswell...20:50
lotuspsychjehmmm alot of flickering issues these days in main21:01
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ducasseseems to be with later intel systems, often21:15
lotuspsychje_we had an amd guy this morning also21:16
lotuspsychje_with an R9 card21:16
=== lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje
lotuspsychjenite21:38

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