[03:11] <JanC> it's just different userlands for their linux subsystem, I'm sure
[03:12] <JanC> which in Windows 10 is replacing their older UNIX/POSIX subsystem
[03:20] <Mr_0> mornin'
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:23] <Mr_0> mornin' lotuspsychje
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> hey Mr_0
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> Mr_0: what timezone are you in?
[04:26] <Mr_0> hmm...gmt +2? Norway anyways..same as Amsterdam
[04:26] <Mr_0> and you lotuspsychje ?
[04:26] <JanC> CEST
[04:27] <Mr_0> ah
[04:27] <JanC> (aka Central European Summer Time)
[04:27] <Mr_0> yep you got it
[04:27] <Mr_0> morning JanC :)
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> Mr_0: cool! im brussels timezone
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> Mr_0: ducasse is also from norway
[04:31] <Mr_0> ah hello fellow european :)
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> morning wafflejock and JanC
[04:31] <Mr_0> ah cool
[04:33]  * Mr_0 sips more coffey, waiting for kids to wake up
[04:34] <Mr_0> a bit to early here....should be coffee ;)
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> coffee & irc mmm perfect!
[04:35] <Mr_0> indeed :D
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> Mr_0: what do they kids think of dad on linux?
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> they think its cool?
[04:35] <Mr_0> also some pianosessions from Nils Fhram
[04:36] <Mr_0> heh...not my kids...tho I have one on the way. They are mesmerized by the scrolling text in irssi and my dual screens lotuspsychje ;)
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> haha
[04:37] <Mr_0> :)
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> congrats with the new kid Mr_0
[04:38] <Mr_0> thanks lotuspsychje :) we are pretty exited ;)
[04:38] <Mr_0> you got any kids lotuspsychje ?
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> Mr_0: no
[04:39] <Mr_0> I'm 37 so it was about time ;)
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> 40 here
[04:39] <Mr_0> ah oldie linux user?
[04:39] <Mr_0> hehe ;)
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> yep
[04:41] <Mr_0> :)
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> started with an old redhat something on gnome
[04:41] <Mr_0> i started with redhat around 2002
[04:41] <Mr_0> snap
[04:41] <Mr_0> :)
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[04:41] <Mr_0> cool lotuspsychje
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> had to fight hours to get internet working at that time
[04:41] <Mr_0> yep
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> but the coolness of linux triggered me alot
[04:42] <Mr_0> yes same here, always liked it :)
[04:42] <Mr_0> tho it was a bigger struggle back then
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> it had something 'spacy'
[04:42] <Mr_0> ;)
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> like a cockpit of a spaceship lol
[04:43] <Mr_0> haha yes
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> Mr_0: these days i got ubuntu installed on all my machines, and started an ubuntu business
[04:44] <Mr_0> wow cool lotuspsychje  :)
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> Mr_0: what distro are you on?
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> check your invite Mr_0
[04:45] <Mr_0> well...ubuntu really..but it is peppermint...just installed the pkg's so it works as ubuntu
[04:46] <wafflejock> hiya lotuspsychje
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> Mr_0: nice
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> 85mb update this morning guys
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox xenial
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> !info childsplay | Mr_0 for the kid(s)
[06:15] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> morning lordievader
[06:24] <ducasse> morning, guys
[06:27] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje, ducasse. How are you two?
[06:28] <ducasse> barely awake, overslept a bit today :) and you, lordievader?
[06:29] <lordievader> Bit tired, but nothing coffee cannot fix.
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:30] <lordievader> Though of trying out Matrix's home server.
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> rainy day here
[06:33] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: that looks interesting, just looked it up
[06:40] <ducasse> lordievader: ^^
[06:46] <lordievader> The talk at FOSDEM was quite interesting.
[06:50] <ducasse> i assume they hope this will be a major player in both text chat, video calls etc? any other interesting functions?
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> breakfast bbl
[06:55] <ducasse> enjoy
[07:04] <lordievader> From what I've heared yesterday it is growing quite rapidly. The main matrix channel, when compared to IRC channels, is the third largest or so.
[07:04] <lordievader> The main thing is that it connects different protocols together.
[07:05] <lordievader> For the user the different protocols become transparent.
[07:09] <ducasse> i see, so a new protocol is just a plugin?
[07:27] <lordievader> Sort of, I don't know the full details, but that is how I understood it.
[07:27] <lordievader> You can try it out here: https://riot.im/app/
[07:29] <ducasse> i was looking at it now :) also checking out the homeserver, this is interesting stuff. they even have a weechat plugin! \o/
[07:38] <lordievader[m]> Hello
[07:38] <lordievader> \o/
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> oi
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> matrix shell
[07:38] <lordievader> Cool, that works :D
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> welcome tarzeau
[07:39] <tarzeau> re
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> welcome fr0tzed
[07:39] <fr0tzed> hi
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> welcome scythefwd
[07:40] <scythefwd> hola
[07:40] <tarzeau> fr0tzed: is that my? desktop?
[07:41] <lordievader[m]> ducasse: the nice thing is that it gives you push notifications to your phone
[07:41] <fr0tzed> no the cannel
[07:41] <tarzeau> fr0tzed: nope, my desktops look like this: http://www.aiei.ch/gnustep/screenshots/ and http://www.aiei.ch/gnustep/www.levenez.com/
[07:41] <lordievader[m]> We were talking about that yesterday, that 'normal' irc bouncers don't do that.
[07:41] <tarzeau> no i don't have any channels
[07:41] <scythefwd> I keep trying to get lighter and lighter with my wdm.. right now I keep going back and forth between cinnimon and mate for my dm
[07:41] <fr0tzed> you always upload ss of your desktop
[07:42] <tarzeau> fr0tzed: the one with ubuntu/unity is the one for @work, for our users (~1200)
[07:42] <fr0tzed> ah ok
[07:42] <tarzeau> that's what they get when they get their account sheet, and login by default
[07:42] <scythefwd> so you're using it in an enterprise environment?
[07:43] <tarzeau> (meanwhile it's a single icon for system stuff (with right mouse button, context menu) and one for science)
[07:43] <fr0tzed> im not using ubuntu on this laptop :$
[07:43] <scythefwd> how are you maintaining sw baselines for patching?
[07:43] <tarzeau> scythefwd: yes
[07:43] <tarzeau> scythefwd: we run dphys-config and aptitude-robot for the configuration and security updates
[07:43] <tarzeau> and maintain a /opt with scientific software (mathematica, maple, matlab, nonfree stuff) and the rest gets packaged into debian, then moves to ubuntu
[07:44] <tarzeau> (largetifftools, gnudatalanguage, form, lie, just to name a few)
[07:44] <tarzeau> about 120 workstations
[07:44] <scythefwd> oh, thats not that bad then..
[07:44] <scythefwd> I wasnt the admin of it, but we used puppet.. and it looked like a lot more work than it should have been
[07:44] <tarzeau> no, especially we have some very powerful machines (one with 512 GB memory :)
[07:44] <scythefwd> thats not bad.. virtualization host?
[07:44] <fr0tzed> that is some fast shit right here
[07:44] <tarzeau> yeah we also looked at puppet, and it's not like unix, easy and simple
[07:45] <tarzeau> puppet is like samba configuration, and the real unix way would be nfs /etc/exports
[07:45] <scythefwd> we had it on a hadoop cluster with something like 120 nodes
[07:45] <tarzeau> dphys-config was done with the unix way in mind
[07:45] <lordievader[m]> Puppet is quite nice though, especially  when combined with Foreman.
[07:45] <tarzeau> one line, one thing. just works(tm)
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> !info puppet
[07:45] <tarzeau> !info dphys-config
[07:45] <fr0tzed> hey thats a nice bot
[07:45] <tarzeau> !info aptitude-robot
[07:46] <tarzeau> and we're monitoring actively services/hosts https://xymon.phys.ethz.ch/xymon/xymon.html
[07:46] <tarzeau> and the installation of a computer is fully automatic, from netboot with pxe, meanwhile ipxe, and preseeding and disk configuration, filesystems, os install...
[07:46] <tarzeau> gbit internet connected, no firewall
[07:47] <fr0tzed> no firewall?
[07:47] <tarzeau> unfortunately we don't get 10gbit in the offices, only server rooms
[07:47] <tarzeau> yes, no firewall. we want to work :)
[07:47] <tarzeau> all with public ips
[07:47] <scythefwd> we had a few hosts that were running 32 procs with 256 gb of ram on em
[07:47] <fr0tzed> opsec opsec opsec
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntu-is-coming-to-windows-store
[07:48] <fr0tzed> ubuntu in windows wtf
[07:48] <scythefwd> yeah, is that like a vm or more of teh bash on windows .. haven tfound any more info on it
[07:49] <fr0tzed> ah ok, not using windows at all
[07:49] <scythefwd> I go back and forth.. I'm a windows sys admin for a living, and for some things I feel it has it right, other things.. not so much
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> i dont like that MS loves linux story at all
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> surely a comerical trick to gain popularity
[07:50] <tarzeau> i wonder when people start using swift on linux...
[07:50] <scythefwd> they've had a linux team for years..
[07:50] <fr0tzed> ms win10 is the shittiest of them all
[07:51] <scythefwd> like pre sco unix trying to rape ibm days
[07:51] <scythefwd> why do you say that fr0tzed?
[07:51] <fr0tzed> have you worked with it scythefwd ?
[07:51] <scythefwd> yeah, I have
[07:52] <fr0tzed> well than you knonw what im talking about
[07:52] <fr0tzed> first of all lets start with the privacy policies
[07:52] <scythefwd> both in a small environment of about 2k hosts.. and were looking at deploying to a 20k user environment
[07:52] <scythefwd> hehe.. we lock that down by policy.. drop it on the domain and the security software gets installed..
[07:52] <fr0tzed> may the lord be with u
[07:52] <scythefwd> lol
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[07:53] <fr0tzed> win7 is the best in my opinion
[07:53] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[07:53] <fr0tzed> no marketing bullshit
[07:53] <scythefwd> they were "smart" about it.. using port 80 for a lot of the comms
[07:53] <fr0tzed> really smart
[07:53] <scythefwd> you mean the ads?  Those are easy to shut off man
[07:53] <fr0tzed> not the only the ads
[07:53] <scythefwd> I'd walk ya through it.. but I'm not on my windows boxen
[07:54] <fr0tzed> they sell your shit
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> fr0tzed: keep the channel familly friendly plz
[07:54] <fr0tzed> lotuspsychje, i am frinedly :)
[07:54] <scythefwd> true.. I'm guessing your not running an android phone, done use google or bing or yahoo search and wont touch apple devices right?
[07:54] <fr0tzed> i am that guy yes hahaha
[07:55] <fr0tzed> well i have a iphone because its more secure than android phones :)
[07:55] <scythefwd> I'm the guy with a 32gb card in my phone.. have less than 10 aps on it lol
[07:55] <fr0tzed> haha
[07:56] <fr0tzed> Dont trust those companies
[07:56] <scythefwd> I'm using.. .. 10 gb storage lol
[07:56] <fr0tzed> 32 storage on my phone thats enough
[07:57] <scythefwd> ok..brain farting. human readable disk utilization in cli?
[07:57] <fr0tzed> Sinds i read the books of  glenn greenwald and others. getting a bit paranoide
[07:57] <fr0tzed> hehe
[07:57] <scythefwd> and how do I interrupt and kill a program in cli vs. just moving it to a background process?
[07:59] <fr0tzed> pkill pgrep
[07:59] <scythefwd> I know kill -9 pid..
[08:00] <scythefwd> thought there was a simpler way than doing a ps -e |grep  .. especially when I dont know the process name .. just what the gui says it is
[08:00] <fr0tzed> best way to kill ur process is rm -rf /
[08:00] <fr0tzed> :)
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> fr0tzed: dont paste such commands in here plz
[08:00] <scythefwd> got to do that once.. wasn't nearly as fun as I thought it was
[08:01] <fr0tzed> lotuspsychje, we all know that its a joke right
[08:01] <scythefwd> had to blow the box away anyways.. it didnt touch /boot or the kernel
[08:01] <fr0tzed> rip
[08:01] <fr0tzed> gotta go boys, back in 15 min
[08:01] <ducasse> fr0tzed: it's still not allowed, everyone might not know that
[08:04] <fr0tzed> Ah ok srry
[08:04] <scythefwd> the funny thing was.. we had a bunch of linux admins around me.. I was like guys... I always wanted to try this.. I'm gonna do the forbidden command.. and next thing i know.. 5 admins hovering.. they never saw it done either
[08:07] <scythefwd> so.. I've been test driving linux for a week this time.. only booting into windows to access sites that required my pki certs.. to dl the installer to get my linux using my pki (hows that for irony.. usually I boot into linux to get my windows running)
[08:08] <scythefwd> and I'm satisfied the gui is mostly sufficient for the grandma and grandpa type home user.. where do I go now to play with it cli only.. any suggetions? (yes, I know, yall are biased .. obvious answer is ubuntu server right?0
[08:17] <fr0tzed> yeah ubuntu server
[08:17] <fr0tzed> or boot desktop into cli
[08:24] <fr0tzed> get cheap vps and play with it
[08:29] <scythefwd> vps?
[08:33] <fr0tzed> virtual private server?
[08:34] <scythefwd> ah, a vm
[08:34] <fr0tzed> or get a raspberry pi
[08:34] <fr0tzed> i use raspberry pi alot for testing stuff and exploring new things
[08:34] <scythefwd> I'll spin up a vm on my desktop.. it should be sufficient to handle the load
[08:35] <fr0tzed> or a vm indeed
[08:37] <scythefwd> I think I can spare a core or two and 16gb of ram.. that will work for a core install right? O:-)
[08:37] <fr0tzed> how much ram you got jesus
[08:40] <scythefwd> 32 gb
[08:40] <scythefwd> specifically for doing vm's
[08:40] <fr0tzed> 4x8 nice
[08:41] <scythefwd> I'll drop down my running services to pretty much bare minimum, then fire up two or 3 vms to play with
[08:41] <fr0tzed> what are you running? windows right
[08:41] <scythefwd> the os claims I have 8 cpus.. really just 4 with HT
[08:41] <scythefwd> depends on my mood
[08:42] <fr0tzed> dual boot?
[08:42] <scythefwd> but I generally run windows on that box, linux or windows on the laptop
[08:42] <fr0tzed> ah ok
[08:42] <scythefwd> osx on another
[08:42] <scythefwd> I try to stay os agnostic for the most part
[08:43] <scythefwd> had a server for a while that was running ms hyperv server.. its like an esxi server.. but windows based lol
[08:43] <scythefwd> had an install size of a whopping 125mb? or was it 225?
[08:43] <fr0tzed> havent work with hyperv for a long time mostly use esxi
[08:43] <fr0tzed> https://gfycat.com/SecretSimilarDuckbillplatypus
[08:44] <scythefwd> has come a long way from version 2 to version 3.. massive improvement, still has some work to do
[08:44] <fr0tzed> switching like every week from os on my pc
[08:45] <scythefwd> lol.. wonder what interface he had on the backgroun lighting
[08:45] <fr0tzed> looks pretty cool
[08:46] <fr0tzed> but I wont use it
[08:46] <fr0tzed> seems anoying
[08:48] <scythefwd> yup.. the flashing would be annoying.. just wondering if hes using one of the smart led bulbs.. the ones that had the bash vulnerability in them
[08:52] <fr0tzed> maybe
[09:17] <immu> ducasse, EriC^^
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> hey brunch875
[09:27] <brunch875> good late morning!
[09:28] <brunch875> almost half may already, time surely flies
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> yeah almost summertime
[09:30] <scythefwd> man.. I'm gonna be hurting today.. gotta be at work in 3.5 hours
[09:30]  * lordievader[m] has just updated his kernel to 4.11.0
[09:33] <scythefwd> peace folks.. gonna go try and sleep for a couple before I have to adult
[09:39] <brunch875> what's new in 4.11?
[09:39] <lordievader[m]> Haven't really looked. Hoped it would solve my random locking problems.
[09:40] <CoderEurope> lordievader[m], what locking problems ? What os / DE you usin' ?
[09:40] <CoderEurope> lordievader[m], hello ?
[09:41] <lordievader[m]> Gentoo/Plasma5, from one moment to the other, poof. frozen.
[09:41] <lordievader[m]> Must say I have not done any investigation ;)
[09:41] <CoderEurope> gentoo - is sabyon .
[09:41] <CoderEurope> plasma 5 is kde neon
[09:41] <lordievader[m]> I believe it is the other way around.
[09:42] <CoderEurope> how to kde neon plasma 5 ?
[09:42] <lordievader[m]> No, plasma 5 is the name of the DE. KDE Neon is an implementation.
[09:42] <CoderEurope> lordievader[m], your complicating things.
[09:43] <lordievader[m]> Erm, no?
[09:43] <CoderEurope> use sabyon - or ubuntu
[09:43] <lordievader[m]> No, have used Kubuntu in the past, switched for good reasons.
[09:44] <lordievader[m]> I'm satisfied with Gentoo.
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> welcome TomyWork
[09:44] <TomyWork> hi
[09:44] <brunch875> lordievader[m], is much knowledge required to use Gentoo?
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> some ops are active in here also TomyWork
[09:44] <brunch875> I might give it a go some day
[09:44] <CoderEurope> lordievader[m], https://youtu.be/37mWf_MAeJM?t=1m5s
[09:45] <lordievader[m]> brunch875: At first it might be a bit daunting, but you do learn a lot about how Linux works.
[09:45] <lordievader[m]> CoderEurope: ?
[09:45] <lordievader[m]> brunch875: The documentation is quite well written, so if you follow that you should be fine.
[09:45] <brunch875> lordievader[m], I'm fine as long as stuff doesn't break all the time and it doesn't need constant hackery
[09:46] <lordievader[m]> brunch875: It ain't arch :P
[09:46]  * brunch875 chuckles
[09:52] <ducasse> lordievader[m]: as a long-time bsd user, gentoo is nice :) i still prefer arch now, though.
[09:52] <lordievader[m]> ducasse: To each their own ;)
[09:59] <brunch875> I was wondering if I should do LFS first
[10:00] <lordievader[m]> Haven't done LFS myself, but I see the installation as the Gentoo install without the nice tools.
[10:05] <lordievader[m]> ducasse: if you do try it out, let me know of your experience
[11:26] <ducasse> lordievader[m]: try out what - lfs?
[11:27] <lordievader[m]> Yes, I'd like to know how difficult it is/how much you are left to yourself.
[11:28] <lordievader[m]> Hihihi: https://imgur.com/gallery/YPEpj
[11:29] <ducasse> hehe - nice :)
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:30] <ducasse> lordievader[m]: i tried lfs out years ago, you are really on your own. imo i wouldn't use it on anything i intend to use daily, but it's interesting for building a specialized system etc.
[11:31] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj
[11:32] <BluesKaj> hi ducasse
[11:32] <lordievader[m]> ducasse: I see
[11:32] <lordievader[m]> Hey BluesKaj
[11:32] <lordievader[m]> How are you doing?
[11:32] <BluesKaj> hi lordievader[m] , ok here, and you?
[11:33] <lordievader[m]> Doing good here :)
[11:34] <ducasse> lordievader[m]: it's not really difficult as long as you either know what you're doing or are willing to read docs, but it can be a bit fiddly (if you understand what i mean).
[11:36] <lordievader[m]> Oh yeah.
[11:37] <ducasse> lots of little things you need to think about that would normally be invisible, more or less.
[11:37] <lordievader[m]> Little things like?
[11:39] <ducasse> lordievader[m]: take a look at the index here, it's a ton of things. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[11:40] <lordievader[m]> Uch, the menu alreadly looks like too much work.
[11:41] <ducasse> you normally don't think about what options to build ncurses with, for example
[11:42] <lordievader[m]> True, in Gentoo the default use flags are usually sufficient.
[11:43] <ducasse> right. this is what you do if you need to tune every little thing, and that's what i meant by 'fiddly'
[11:44] <lordievader[m]> Right, I get it now.
[11:45] <ducasse> it's not really well suited for a daily driver, imo. for that custom box in a closet that monitors whatever, sure.
[11:57] <ducasse> oerheks: how relevant do you think that bug report is now, will the desktop continue to be a first-class citizen at canonical? i'm not entirely convinced of that...
[11:59] <oerheks> me too, i asked SABDFL about adding android to that bugreport, it is declined
[12:02] <ducasse> lol
[12:11] <ducasse> oerheks: out of the areas they said are now the focus it seemed to be almost all server stuff, with iot as a footnote
[12:11] <CoderEurope> maybe i shouldn't ask toddy
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/05/the-hijacking-flaw-that-lurked-in-intel-chips-is-worse-than-anyone-thought/
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> the whole world is one big backdoor
[12:32] <fr0tzed> sup
[12:39] <EriC^^> j #ubuntu
[12:39] <lordievader[m]> Hey EriC^^
[12:39] <EriC^^> hey lordievader[m]
[12:39] <lordievader[m]> How are you doing?
[12:39] <EriC^^> good thanks, yourself?
[12:40] <lordievader[m]> Bit tired, other than that doing good :)
[12:40] <EriC^^> good :)
[15:25] <immu> ducasse,hi
[16:00] <CoderEurope> dell lappies are trending again on feebay [ 05Dell ] | https://www.ebay.co.uk/trending
[16:00] <CoderEurope> dunno if people shall wake up the dell PPA again thru this ?
[16:52] <immu> .
[17:34] <CoderEurope> Kubuntu testing day | 20:00 UTC today | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHZAH8SZD4E freenode #ubuntu-on-air
[17:36] <immu> .
[17:37] <EriC^^> hey immu
[17:37] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[18:47] <immu> hey eric
[18:47] <immu> i am cool
[18:47] <immu> watchig tv
[20:09] <immu> ducasse, hi
[20:33] <scythefwd> anyone use docky?
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> not me
[20:33] <Bashing-om> nor me ^
[20:34] <lotuspsychje> !info docky | scythefwd mean this right?
[20:34] <scythefwd> yes
[20:34] <lotuspsychje> scythefwd: what about it?
[20:35] <scythefwd> installed it, no docklets installed
[20:35] <lotuspsychje> scythefwd: okay?
[20:36] <scythefwd> trying to find out how to install them
[20:36] <lotuspsychje> scythefwd: for ubuntu questions you can join #ubuntu right
[20:37] <scythefwd> didnt think this was as much ubuntu related as its not part of the default distro install
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> scythefwd: well if docky hasnt a special channel or so, it still is an official ubuntu package, so its supported
[20:40] <scythefwd> gotcha
[20:41] <lotuspsychje> scythefwd: but maybe this can help? http://wiki.go-docky.com/index.php%3Ftitle%3DList_of_docklets
[20:44] <scythefwd> lists them, but doesnt show how to install them
[20:45] <lotuspsychje> its been a long time i played with it
[20:45] <ducasse> scythefwd: did you look in /usr/share/docs/docky, for instance? might be something there. or search for a homepage or archive of it. but lotus is right, this isn't a support channel.
[20:46] <scythefwd> thats what I'm doing now is pouring over the wiki
[20:48] <scythefwd> well, off to #ubuntu
[20:48] <lotuspsychje> evening xangua
[20:49] <xangua> Hey
[20:49] <xangua> No word on #yunit for days
[20:50] <lotuspsychje> xangua: #ubports pretty dead calm aswell...
[21:01] <lotuspsychje> hmmm alot of flickering issues these days in main
[21:15] <ducasse> seems to be with later intel systems, often
[21:16] <lotuspsychje_> we had an amd guy this morning also
[21:16] <lotuspsychje_> with an R9 card
[21:38] <lotuspsychje> nite