[00:01] <nacc> hosas: i don't understand what you're asking
[00:01] <nacc> hosas: "if allocate" is not a sentence
[00:02] <hosas> what I meant to ask is as far as my system is concern I can't /var/tmp mounted to tmpfs
[00:03] <nacc> hosas: why not? also it's not the default, so you or your admin changed it
[00:03] <hosas> I guess that has to be allocated manually
[00:03] <nacc> hosas: you don't need any fs mounted at /var/tmp
[00:04] <hosas> when I use mount mount command I can't anything like /var/tmp
[00:05] <hosas> I'm doing some studies I'm new to this
[00:05] <nacc> hosas: i have no idea what you mean, it's very hard to follow
[00:05] <nacc> hosas: what mount command did you try to do?
[00:05] <hosas> that was why I presume it has to be done manually
[00:06] <hosas> "mount" just to see the mounted devices and partitions
[00:07] <nacc> hosas: ok, `mount` doesn't fail given no arguments, it jsut emit soutput
[00:07] <nacc> *emits currently mounted filesystems
[00:07] <hosas> nacc: or is there another way to find out about all mounted partitions
[00:07] <nacc> hosas: please just in one line, very clearly, state what you are trying to do
[00:07] <hosas> yes that's my point
[00:08] <nacc> hosas: what is your point?
[00:08] <hosas> and if /var/tmp is auto mounted it should be there right?
[00:09] <nacc> hosas: if /var/tmp is mounted, it will be printed in `mount`, yes
[00:09] <nacc> hosas: there is no filesystem on /var/tmp by default
[00:09] <nacc> hosas: no mounted partition, imean
[00:09] <hosas> I understand
[00:10] <hosas> so tmpfs /var/tmp in fstab should do it right?
[00:10] <nacc> hosas: that is not a complete fstab line
[00:10] <hosas> I know
[00:10] <nacc> hosas: so no, if you just put 'tmpfs /var/tmp' in fstab it will not work
[00:10] <nacc> hosas: again, just say what you are trying to do
[00:10] <nacc> this is infuriating
[00:10] <hosas> nacc: I know how to edit it fstab
[00:11] <Jack_Sparrow__> Oh My
[00:11] <hosas> nacc: sorry
[00:11] <nacc> hosas: you are saying you added an entry to fstab and it isn't mounting?
[00:11] <nacc> hosas: did you either a) reboot or b) run `mount /var/tmp` ?
[00:11] <nacc> hosas: with sudo for b)
[00:12] <Jack_Sparrow__> hosas, What exact line did are you adding to fstab ?
[00:15] <Jack_Sparrow__> !su | Jack_Sparrow__
[00:19] <sidetracking> hello everyone
[00:19] <sidetracking> my name is patel
[00:29] <viper123_> hey everyone
[00:29] <viper123_> looking for a some bit of advice
[00:29] <viper123_> i am recently installing fresh version of linux ubuntu on my machine
[00:29] <viper123_> however i am un able to hear sound output
[00:30] <viper123_> how can i trouble shoot these issues that i am having
[00:30] <viper123_> please advice
[00:30] <viper123_> best regards
[00:31] <Bashing-om> !sound | viper123_
[00:31] <viper123_> it is very strange as i can easily hear sound in my windows operating system, however if i un boot windows and re boot to my linux, i am un able to hear the sound
[00:32] <viper123_> ubottu: hello thanks for the advice buddy, one question you may answer is where do i click the volume applet?
[00:32] <viper123_> oh
[00:32] <viper123_> Bashing-om: buddy are you playing a game with me
[00:33] <Bashing-om> viper123_: No game, just the best advise I know to offer .
[00:33] <viper123_> i need help desperitely
[00:33] <viper123_> please someone help me with my sound
[00:33] <viper123_> is any one here a audio engineer expert who will help me trouble shoot my sound
[00:35] <th0r> viper123_, did you try the steps the bot just sent you?
[00:35] <viper123_> th0r: yes i did trying those things. un fortnetly it did not work, now am seeking the advice of an expert because i believe that a bot is unhelp full.
[00:35] <sidetracking> viper123_ simply run the command mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda1
[00:36] <viper123_> th0r: are you able to help ? please if you take the time, and fix it with grace, i am willing to paypal
[00:36] <sidetracking> you must first apply your super user root privilege
[00:36] <krytarik> sidetracking: Stop this.
[00:37] <th0r> viper123_, I have no interest in getting paid, and don't know much about the ubuntu sound system. But the volume applet should look like a speaker in the system tray...and the bot told you what to do.
[00:37] <compdoc> sound can be very tricky. with mine, its often a matter of selecting the right device
[00:37] <Kyoku> is it possible to save app states for when i login? for example i always want a terminal open in workspace 2 and chat in 3 etc. so when i log in they are there
[00:37] <Jack_Sparrow__> viper123_, menu control center sound icon then what the bot said
[00:37] <compdoc> Kyoku, yes
[00:38] <Kyoku> wow, whoever made cinnamon theme should be made King of Ubuntu
[00:40] <Oderus> hi :) jsut curious how to change the icons outlined in red, in the following picture. I've changed all icon theme and sddm theme icons but i am not having any luck. any ideas?? Thanks!  http://pasteboard.co/5b2bVqis7.png
[00:42] <Kyoku> do you have a special tool for it compdoc?
[00:43] <Jack_Sparrow__> Oderus, I had to hunt a couple down manually starting at usr/share/icons/blah
[00:44] <Oderus> Jack_Sparrow__: Thanks for the reply. yes i did a file search and replaced all the icons i could find.. breeze, breeze dark, current theme, etc. just not sure where these are! i;ve been searching high and low, lol.
[00:45] <Jack_Sparrow__> Good Luck
[00:45] <Oderus> Jack_Sparrow__: thanks! if you happen across them for some reason let me know lol
[00:47] <HideMe> what should be permissions be on secondary drives?
[00:47] <Jack_Sparrow__> HideMe, one common problem is that people forget to chown them
[00:48] <HideMe> Jack_Sparrow__  owner me: create/delete   group mine: create/delete  others: access files   ?
[00:51] <Jack_Sparrow__> I created a partition as part of my install and mounted it /media/UserData then to actually use it Open a terminal and type:	sudo chown -R shannon:shannon /media/UserData
[00:52] <compdoc> Kyoku, until recently I never used sound on linux, but I just followed the steps on a few websites, and installed and uninstalled things until I figured out which drivers or sound programs worked with my hardware. most important is any sites that tell you how to troubleshoot
[00:52] <compdoc> Kyoku, or just hang out in here a few days and keep asking.
[00:52] <Kyoku> i never asked about sound, was talking about saving app states
[00:53] <compdoc> ooops - worng person
[00:53] <Kyoku> so when i log in my terminal is open on workspace 2 and chat in 3 etc.
[00:53] <compdoc> right. but how are you connecting?
[00:54] <compdoc> what service
[00:54] <HideMe> Jack_Sparrow__, Yeah, that recursively sets the ownership.... not permissions tho.
[00:54] <Jack_Sparrow__> HideMe, np
[00:55] <compdoc> you are at the console, then?
[00:55] <Kyoku> console
[00:55] <HideMe> Jack_Sparrow__, lol  what.
[00:56] <compdoc> Kyoku, arent you describing hybernation or suspension?
[00:57] <Kyoku> no, i don't want that i mean from cold boot
[00:58] <Kyoku> cold boot, login to desktop, apps all restored nicely where i want them
[00:58] <compdoc> apps opening at boot
[00:58] <Kyoku> maybe i'm inventing lazybuntu here
[00:58] <compdoc> lol
[00:59] <Jack_Sparrow__> !permissions | HideMe
[01:00] <compdoc> Im sure theres a way to launch apps. and possibly a way to freeze them with what you were working on before
[01:00] <Jack_Sparrow__> compdoc, Kyoku wants to boot up with each app on a different side of the cube or just a delected workspace
[01:01] <compdoc> is that not possible?
[01:01] <Jack_Sparrow__> I have not seen a way
[01:01] <Kyoku> would be cool though eh?
[01:01] <Kyoku> i'll hire someone to make it
[01:02] <compdoc> I'll use hibernation until then. good luck
[01:03] <Oderus> cant you use save session?
[01:04] <Oderus> i swore you could shutdown and start back up later exactly where you are. it's a checkbox somplace i cannot recal
[01:04] <Kyoku> the official ubuntu is way more stable than mint, i'm glad whoever told me about cinnamon told me
[01:04] <Kyoku> my graphics card was crashing in mint when i ran glmark2
[01:05] <Kyoku> locked the computer up completely
[01:06] <Kyoku> four workspaces though? i need one more, a secret one for adult content
[01:10] <Oderus> hi! i'm on day 2 of trying to figure out how to change these specific icons that i have outlined in red in the attached screenshot. I have changed a lot of icons but still no luck. Anyone happen to know the location of these files so i can change them? Even the location of the config file that points to them would help. Thanks in advance. http://pasteboard.co/5b2bVqis7.png
[01:26] <Bashing-om> Kyoku: A thought - in xfce one can start another display with an additional 4 work spaces . in cinnamon I do not know if it is doable .
[01:32] <Kyoku> thanks
[01:41] <Kyoku> hmm, trying to install 16.04 on another machine and when it restarts comes up with grub rescue error: disk 'mduuid/234567654345677656765,1' not found
[01:43] <Skittishtrigger> Did I miss/not notice an update to 16.04 dealing with kernal or graphics in the last 24hours maybe?
[01:44] <Skittishtrigger> I ask because ran into a Doozy I have not seen before. Wife went to wake up her 16.04 machine and it wouldn't turn on.  I restarted it and the monitor never turned on although I got the audio output telling me it loaded up to the login screen.
[01:45] <Skittishtrigger> I turned it off and tried the onboard video and still no monitor.  No clue how to even trouble shoot that now minus maybe checking the ram.
[01:47] <ChaiTRex> Skittishtrigger: Does the monitor work on another computer?
[01:48] <Skittishtrigger> yep. I even tried the hdmi output on the gpu card.
[01:49] <Skittishtrigger> It is almost liek it is locked in sleep mode
[01:49] <Skittishtrigger> like*
[01:50] <zorbsOne> anyone install identd on their ubuntu machine here? I'm having issues, I have identd installed, it's running, but I can't seem to get it to initialize for irc?
[01:50] <zorbsOne> ah, I might be using the wrong identd.
[01:51] <ChaiTRex> Skittishtrigger: Can you boot into single user mode?
[01:51] <rud0lf> maybe you're behind nat?
[01:52] <Skittishtrigger> Not sure without any graphical responce at all. Not even the initial bootscreen/grub/boot options come up
[01:53] <Skittishtrigger> brb, gonna run up and try something real fast
[01:56] <ChaiTRex> Skittishtrigger: Since the monitor works on other computers, if even BIOS/UEFI won't show up, it's either a cable problem or a video card problem.
[02:00] <cfhowlett> check that it's properly plugged in?
[02:00] <Kyoku> anyone know a way to tcpdump a specific process? i.e. monitor all network traffic from a specific process
[02:01] <ChaiTRex> cfhowlett: That's a good point, too.
[02:06] <Skittishtrigger> Thank you @ChaiTrex I figured it out.
[02:07] <ChaiTRex> Skittishtrigger: You're welcome.
[02:07] <Skittishtrigger> The monitor was locked in self suspend mode. When I unplugged it and tried on another box it worked because it reset the power. The video card(internal/external) were both good!
[02:08] <rud0lf> is hotpluggin monitor wise?
[02:08] <rud0lf> +g
[02:08] <Skittishtrigger> I don't, I always powerdown everything when switching anything. I even still use the oldschool static wristbands. lmao
[02:12] <zorbsOne> what's the benefits of .NET w/ Powershell for Ubuntu.
[02:15] <ChaiTRex> zorbsOne: You can use .NET languages and Powershell.
[02:16] <ChaiTRex> zorbsOne: So, if you like those languages, it's good :)
[02:16] <imr> ^
[02:17] <imr> I think you can just use pastebinit without the -b
[02:18] <imr> wait
[02:18] <imr> my bad, was on scrollback
[02:18] <imr> :P
[02:18] <Kyoku> i have really weird problem, i installed from usb key to encrypted raid0 and when i reboot without the usb key i get a grub rescue prompt but if i have the key in it boots fine
[02:20] <Kyoku> in fact, i can stick any usb key in and it will boot
[02:21] <darthho0> i'm running a 6700 machine but it keeps freezing on me.
[02:21] <darthho0> ubuntu that is
[02:26] <Phanes> ubuntu's wheel group is `sudo` right?
[02:29] <leftyfb> Kyoku: sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[02:34] <Kyoku> weird it says it's an ext2 file system
[02:34] <Kyoku> and won't install
[02:34] <Kyoku> can i just zap it in fdisk and redo it?
[02:34] <Kyoku> it's on raid0
[02:36] <leftyfb> uh
[02:36] <leftyfb> zap what?
[02:36] <Phanes> ubuntu's wheel group is `sudo` right?
[02:37] <Kyoku> when i run sudo grub-install /dev/md0p1 i get an error saying 'file system ext2' doesn't support embeddit
[02:37] <Kyoku> embedding*
[02:37] <Kyoku> but when i look with fdisk at /boot it says ext4
[02:37] <leftyfb> is it ext2?
[02:37] <leftyfb> Phanes: sort of, sure
[02:37] <Kyoku> fdisk says it's ext4 grub says it's ext2
[02:38] <Bashing-om> Phanes: Well no, ubuntu's wheel is the root group, and access to root is via 'sudo' .
[02:38] <Phanes> Bashing-om, so ubuntu is recommending root group membership for OOB sudoers
[02:39] <leftyfb> Kyoku: sudo grub-install /dev/md0
[02:39] <Phanes> and not sudo group?
[02:39] <leftyfb> Phanes: what is it exactly you're trying to accomplish?
[02:40] <Phanes> leftyfb, what im trying to accomplish is an answer to my direct and clear question but if there is reading i could do instead im happy to peruse in case this is asked alot
[02:41] <Kyoku> error: diskfilter writes are not supported
[02:41] <Phanes> technically these groups can be arbitrarily defined but sticking to the distro's intended design is alwasy nice
[02:41] <leftyfb> nope, that's not what you're trying to accomplish. You didn't wake up this morning and out of the blue asked yourself this question. There is an end goal, to which we could probably help you better if we had a better understanding of
[02:42] <leftyfb> Kyoku: write it o the actual drive, not the raid
[02:42] <leftyfb> Kyoku: sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[02:42] <Phanes> leftyfb, uhm no that is exactly the case i am asking about the intended user/group structure for sudoers OOB and it is the end goal to understand it
[02:42] <Phanes> sudoers and root membership both appear to be able to do this
[02:43] <Phanes> i do not think they intended both to be used (and suspect the group is actually sudo and not root but want to be sure)
[02:43] <leftyfb> Phanes: what is sudoers OOB? Never heard of the term OOB being used in terms of sudoers.
[02:43] <Phanes> out of box.  it is when you are first setting up a system prior to modification
[02:43] <leftyfb> Phanes: it depends on the use case
[02:44] <Phanes> it is okay not to know
[02:44] <Phanes> i will keep looking and post the answer when i find it
[02:44] <leftyfb> Phanes: suoders is for users with the ability to utilize sudo privileges. The root group puts you into the linux root group and will gain permissions to files and processes with root group privileges
[02:45] <Phanes> this was my concern from the prior answer
[02:45] <Kyoku> it appeared to work when i installed to /dev/sda but when i reboot it gives grub rescue
[02:45] <leftyfb> Kyoku: try sdb as well
[02:45] <Kyoku> k
[02:45] <Phanes> sudo group does allow users to sudo, confirmed.  Bashing-om can i get clarification on what you meant by the root group being wheel?
[02:47] <leftyfb> IIRC, wheel allowed you to use sudo/su, the same way sudoers does
[02:47] <Kyoku> still grub rescue after installing grub to /dev/sda and /dev/sdb
[02:48] <Kyoku> this is so weird
[02:48] <Bashing-om> Phanes: Let's start here . old docs and there have been changes since, but the logic is valid : https://administratosphere.wordpress.com/2011/07/22/the-wheel-group-updated/ .
[02:48] <Phanes> leftyfb, wheel was like a flag on a user to not even need sudo and is dangerous
[02:48] <Phanes> but some distros use it as a sudoers access group
[02:49] <Phanes> ok so root group acts like a 'true wheel flag' while sudo group is for sudo access.  that is sane, thank you.
[02:49] <Dr_Coke> Hi everyone
[02:49] <leftyfb> Kyoku: how big are the drives?
[02:50] <Dr_Coke> I was wondering how do I get ubuntu to look like this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntus-default-gtk-theme-now-looks-better-gnome-shell
[02:50] <leftyfb> Phanes: I do not think being in the root group allows you sudo access
[02:50] <Dr_Coke> with the taskbar at the bottom in what appears to be unity without a top bar and sidebar
[02:50] <Phanes> leftyfb, you wouldn't need it
[02:51] <leftyfb> Dr_Coke: you wait for the release of the version of ubuntu that the article is about
[02:51] <Kyoku> leftyb about 250GB each, it's an older machine
[02:51] <Dr_Coke> leftyfb, I thought it was already released
[02:52] <leftyfb> Dr_Coke: Ubuntu 17.10 = 2017/10 (October 2017)
[02:53] <leftyfb> Kyoku: is your drive/volume in /dev/mapper?
[02:53] <Dr_Coke> leftyfb, it says Here’s how Ambiance looks on GNOME Shell 3.24.1 on Ubuntu 17.04 by default
[02:53] <Dr_Coke> Where did you get 17.10 from
[02:54] <Kyoku> the raid is in /dev/mapper yes under hte right group and group volume
[02:54] <Dr_Coke> Oh at the top
[02:54] <Bashing-om> Dr_Coke: However, if you want to see and know - then join #ubuntu+1 . testers will be welcome .
[02:54] <leftyfb> "With Ubuntu 17.10 development is now underway, the Ubuntu Ambiance theme is finally receiving some love."
[02:55] <Dr_Coke> Will ubuntu 17.10 look like that?
[02:55] <leftyfb> Dr_Coke: run gnome shell and enable the ambiance theme
[02:55] <Kyoku> my /boot is under /dev/md0p1  and the dev/mapper is mount as /
[02:55] <leftyfb> Kyoku: try installing grub to that
[02:59] <Dr_Coke> leftyfb, so ubuntu 17.10 is going to look like that from default with gnome?
[03:00] <leftyfb> I gotta head out. Good luck Kyoku
[03:00] <leftyfb> Dr_Coke: yes
[03:00] <Dr_Coke> Ubuntu is putting a theme over gnome?
[03:00] <Kyoku> nope, doesn't work
[03:00] <Dr_Coke> That's awesome
[03:00] <Kyoku> fixing with sledgehammer
[03:00] <Dr_Coke> lefty so no top bar or side bar
[03:00] <Phanes> or a wrecking ball
[03:00] <Dr_Coke> just the bottom bar!
[03:00] <Dr_Coke> I love it
[03:00] <Phanes> depending on your music taste
[03:07] <Kyoku> wrecked, installing MATE desktop instead
[03:07] <Kyoku> i want to see what mate 17.04 looks like
[03:15] <josephcocoa> hello everyone.  Can someone help me to get phatch to launch? I need to bulk process a few thousand images and phatch doesn't seem to be working on the latest version of ubuntu
[03:15] <josephcocoa> i installed it from the software center
[03:16] <Kyoku> we'll need to see the images first
[03:18] <josephcocoa> kyoku??
[03:19] <josephcocoa> launching phatch simply doesn't work, it hangs and never opens up the interface
[03:19] <josephcocoa> https://hastebin.com/sisecabiwu.swift
[03:19] <josephcocoa> launching from a terminal gives me that
[03:25] <josephcocoa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phatch/+bug/1682919
[03:25] <josephcocoa> looks like that issue
[04:06] <Jack_Sparrow__> Cool, I just got HexChat to identify me and join channel no more manual entry
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:12] <al2o3-cr> morning o/
[05:31] <Kyoku> good moaning
[05:31] <Kyoku> i'm getting a slight flickering when playing youtube videos on firefox, and i had the problem in chromium but solved it with "Force-enabled for all layers" in GPU rasterization flag, is there an equivalent setting in ff?
[05:32] <Kyoku> or maybe another way to solve it
[05:34] <hateball> Kyoku: what GPU are you using?
[05:34] <hateball> and what driver
[05:34] <Kyoku> good question
[05:34] <Kyoku> i'm not sure
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> Kyoku: sudo lshw -C video to check
[05:35] <Kyoku> Tahiti XT [Radeon HD 7970/8970 OEM / R9 280X]
[05:35] <hateball> Hmm, sadly dont know anything about AMD
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> Kyoku: what does driver= mention?
[05:36] <hateball> For nvidia there is usually a catchall solution by using ForceFullCompositionPipeline
[05:36] <Kyoku> configuration: driver=radeon latency=0
[05:36] <Gegsite> Hy, anybody else has a problem with youtube playback on 17.04 (up-to-dated). If I open a youtube video in new window in firefox it plays double, and I know that only because if I jump in the time-line... one sound keep playing the normal...
[05:36] <hateball> apparently you can use the TearFree option for amd/radeon also
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> Kyoku: okay, wich ubuntu version is that?
[05:37] <Kyoku> 16.04 with MATE desktop
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> Kyoku: got the flickering on a vlc movie also?
[05:38] <Kyoku> not tried that, i can fix it in chromium but still flickers in firefox
[05:38] <hateball> lotuspsychje, Kyoku anyhow this may be of interest https://cubethethird.wordpress.com/2016/06/14/eliminate-screen-tearing-with-amd-gpu-on-ubuntu/
[05:38] <hateball> you'll need to create a manual xorg.conf tho
[05:39] <hateball> TearFree works for intel also iirc
[05:39] <Gegsite> Hmmm
[05:39] <Kyoku> thanks hateball, i'll try that in the morning
[05:39] <Kyoku> night guys, have a good one
[05:40] <Gegsite> If I disable the Youtube FlashPlayer in the addons than it is fine.
[05:40] <Gegsite> (but it was fine about a week from now)
[05:46] <Kyoku> i couldn't wait till morning, that fix worked hateball
[05:46] <Kyoku> awesome, ty
[05:47] <hateball> Kyoku: cool beans
[05:48] <Kyoku> it also fixed another weird thing when scrolling large amounts of text
[05:48] <hateball> yeah, that's tearing :)
[05:48] <hateball> Wayland our Lord and savior will free us from these things
[05:49] <Kyoku> yeah right, they said computers would save us from paper too
[05:49] <hateball> ;)
[05:50] <Kyoku> ubuntu MATE is amazing, i'm going to send them some bitcoin
[05:50] <Kyoku> best linux desktop experience i've found yet
[05:51] <hateball> Good that it works for you :)
[05:51] <hateball> That's the important bit
[06:11] <Younder> Ubuntu is cancelling it's attempt to make a mobile os. They are altso abandoning unity for gnome VM
[06:14] <hateball> .. ok?
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | Younder
[07:08] <scythefwd> morning folks, anyone familiar with installing a crap load of root and intermediary certs ?
[07:34] <fr0tzed> hey all
[07:34] <fr0tzed> you guys have seen this? https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/6a6lce/when_you_spend_a_whole_afternoon_styling_a_fresh/
[07:34] <fr0tzed> looks pretty cool
[07:35] <tarzeau> yeah but it's for nothing. unity died
[07:35] <scythefwd> unity died?  thank god
[07:36] <fr0tzed> jup i know
[07:36] <tarzeau> i also have that similar style (glares removed from icons): https://people.phys.ethz.ch/~myczko/ubuntu1404.png
[07:36] <scythefwd> never liked unity.. thought it would be better suited for touch interfaces.. BUT not good for mouse/kb users
[07:36] <tarzeau> (it's desktop files linking to icloud.com services, in case you wonder why there's these icons)
[07:36] <tarzeau> scythefwd: why  not? i've been using window maker which also has a dock, similar style
[07:37] <fr0tzed> tarzeau, why the ios logos :(
[07:37] <tarzeau> fr0tzed: https://people.phys.ethz.ch/~myczko/ubuntu/ read it here
[07:37] <scythefwd> tarzeau.. it just felt clunky.. I ditched unity back at 14.04
[07:37] <tarzeau> because i hate libreoffice/openoffice/google docs.
[07:38] <fr0tzed> lol
[07:38] <tarzeau> with icloud you get quality fonts
[07:38] <tarzeau> with libreoffice or google docs, only cheap plastic copies of fonts
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> use the discuss channel guys
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[07:39] <tarzeau> fr0tzed, scythefwd i'm at #u-d
[07:39] <fr0tzed> lotuspsychje, ah ok
[07:39] <scythefwd> lotus.. its the first discussion of any type I saw.. I did have a question earlier, but got it sorted
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> !yay | scythefwd
[07:40] <fr0tzed> tarzeau, is that yours?
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> morning ericnoan
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: morning
[07:42] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[08:40] <onomatopiea> So the sysadmin has apparently removed: Tab completion, up/down to check bash history, and changed the prompt to simple -
[08:40] <onomatopiea> Is there any way to re-enable all of that for just my profile?
[08:49] <sugardrunk> hello, anyone know where that little nice button to change system icons and look "flat" is.. I had it on my Xubuntu at least, and it should be somewhere :) just broke my system and trying to get back the settings
[08:49] <ducasse> onomatopiea: 'man 3readline readline', it's also covered in the bash man page
[08:49] <sugardrunk> getting paranoid here.. because some things are still missing, fixing them as we talk
[08:50] <onomatopiea> THanks, ducasse.
[08:50] <sugardrunk> I am sure there was a a tickbox somewhere that did the job systemwide
[08:50] <sugardrunk> ...
[08:51] <ducasse> onomatopiea: completion is partly configured by readline, there are also extension scripts for bash. prompt is set in $PS1, command line editing is a readline thing (~/.inputrc).
[08:52] <onomatopiea> ducasse: Thanks. It's  just freaking me out because people keep arguing over stats from differnt machines as well
[08:52] <onomatopiea> Going to see if I can roll out the change to everyone via a tool..
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> sugardrunk: perhaps the #xubuntu guys might know that
[08:55] <mspamed> Display flickering on 16.04, documented the issue in this video: https://youtu.be/-5rbocJ3V-s
[08:55] <mspamed> Please help
[08:56] <hateball> mspamed: What GPU/driver?
[08:56] <ducasse> onomatopiea: if it helps, i can give you my .inputrc as a starting point. from there you can just look up the settings i use in the man page to see how they work.
[08:56] <mspamed> AMD r9 270x GPU and the driver on the details page is this Gallium 0.4 on AMD PITCAIRN (DRM 2.46.0 / 4.8.0-36-generic, LLVM 3.8.0)
[08:56] <onomatopiea> Thanks ducasse, could be very handy :) I'll try it out on my own server first..
[08:57] <ducasse> onomatopiea: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24559468/
[08:57] <hateball> mspamed: I dont know much about AMD, but I suppose you could try using this PPA and see if a newer driver works better https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/pkppa
[08:58] <mspamed> @hateball So all I do is add that repo and update and upgrade through the terminal?
[08:59] <hateball> mspamed: yep
[08:59] <lotuspsychje> mspamed: your system up to date to latest also?
[09:00] <onomatopiea> You're a god-send, thanks ducasse
[09:01] <mspamed> hateball: ok it upgraded but the screen is still flickering.
[09:02] <ducasse> onomatopiea: np, yw :) i'm quite familiar with readline config now, so if you need help just highlight me. going out soon, but will be back later.
[09:02] <mspamed> Lotuspsychje: No, this is a new install, I had tried version 17 yesterday and I couldn't fix this issue in that one so I decided to install 16.04. I have never installed ubuntu on this machine only on my laptop, kinda liked it so wanted to install on main pc too
[09:02] <onomatopiea> I've got a tonne of non ops work today unfortunately. But I'll try it on my home server ducasse
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> mspamed: update your system to 16.04.2
[09:02] <onomatopiea> And setting the MOTD. I cannot believe we have such basic prompts.
[09:03] <mspamed> Lotuspsychje: Okay
[09:03] <kirb> kinda seems like the admin overwrote the default /etc/profile with an uglier one that doesn't do as much. not sure what package contains the original, but you could paste that into your .bash_profile
[09:04] <carpediembaby> EriC^^: I repaired the boot order by running boot-repair. It fixed the booting for ubuntu but i am unable to boot into windows still. There are several weird boot options for windows but none of them work
[09:04] <carpediembaby> if you remember from our discussion yesterday
[09:05] <sugardrunk> lotuspsychje: they are sleeping... can't call my system xubuntu anymore
[09:05] <kirb> probably /etc/bash.bashrc which is in bash. should be in the source packages https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash
[09:05] <hateball> mspamed: what does "lsb_release -a" show for Release?
[09:06] <sugardrunk> but I was also wondering how to check which apps are using a dependency (eg. pidgin-data) or any
[09:06] <sugardrunk> *if any app
[09:07] <mspamed> hateball: It shows No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS Release:	16.04 Codename:	xenial
[09:08] <hateball> mspamed: then you are already updated, as lotuspsychje suggested
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> sugardrunk: repeat your question, all in one line to the channel once in a while to get your issue solved
[09:09] <mspamed> heatball: ran software updater just in case, it downloaded and installed and wants me to restart now
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> mspamed: have you tried switching driver hateball suggested and reboot?
[09:10] <mspamed> Lotuspsychje: Yes I added those repos and ran update and upgrade but its still flickering
[09:10] <hateball> mspamed: you'll need to reboot for them to come into effect
[09:11] <mspamed> Lotuspsychje: Hateball: will reboot now, will get disconnected but I will be back
[09:12] <sugardrunk> I was also wondering how to check which apps are using a dependency (eg. pidgin-data)... eh?
[09:12] <sugardrunk> for the last question you told me to go #xubuntu... nice tip btw...
[09:14] <mspamed> hateball: lotuspsychje: Ok I rebooted, it's still flickering
[09:15] <sugardrunk> lotuspsychje: but don't worry, i behave, drink coffee and google stuff...
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> mspamed: wich driver version are you on right now?
[09:15] <mspamed> lotuspsychje: Gallium 0.4 on AMD PITCAIRN (DRM 2.46.0 / 4.8.0-51-generic, LLVM 4.0.0)
[09:16] <mspamed> lotuspsychje: This is as per the details tab in settings
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> mspamed: sudo lshw -C video behind driver=
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> !amd | mspamed
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> mspamed: can you also open a tail -f /var/log/syslog while testing out your graphics, maybe it will spit out some usefull errors for us
[09:17] <craptalk> guys, my HDTV is not detected as my second monitor on ubuntu 16.04
[09:18] <craptalk> do you know what should i download and where?
[09:18] <craptalk> i am plugging the tv using HDMI
[09:18] <mspamed> lotuspsychje: I ran that command but it game me this Hardware Lister (lshw) - B.02.17 usage: lshw [-format] [-options ...]        lshw -version  	-version        print program version (B.02.17)  format can be 	-html           output hardware tree as HTML 	-xml            output hardware tree as XML 	-short          output hardware paths 	-businfo        output bus information  options can be 	-class CLASS    only show a certain class
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> !paste | mspamed sudo lshw -C video
[09:18] <craptalk> using VGA connector is running well
[09:19] <hateball> mspamed: and you are sure it is not a hardware problem?
[09:19] <mspamed> hateball: well I have windows installed and it worked on ubuntu 14 LTS
[09:19] <hateball> mspamed: sometimes the wire from gpu to monitor that passes through the lid hinge gets damaged
[09:19] <hateball> mspamed: ah, well then
[09:19] <mspamed> ubotto ok will use those methods
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> craptalk: xrandr --auto does something?
[09:20] <hateball> mspamed: hmmm, I wonder if TearFree would fix this issue also...
[09:21] <hateball> mspamed: at any rate it doesnt hurt to try, see this post https://cubethethird.wordpress.com/2016/06/14/eliminate-screen-tearing-with-amd-gpu-on-ubuntu/
[09:22] <mspamed> lotuspsychje: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24559541/
[09:22] <mspamed> ubottu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24559541/
[09:22] <craptalk> lotuspsychje, what does it do?
[09:22] <mspamed> hateball: will try that
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> craptalk: try to automatic detect all your screens
[09:26] <craptalk> lotuspsychje, sadly it does not
[09:28] <mspamed> hateball: I did as the article instructed but the command restart gdm doesn't work. I will restart now
[09:30] <mspamed> Hateball: still flickering
[09:30] <hateball> mspamed: boo :/
[09:30] <hateball> mspamed: well then I dont really have any more suggestions as I dont use AMD myself
[09:31] <hateball> mspamed: could you try a different DE/compositor? for instance xfce or kde plasma
[09:31] <hateball> see if it is the same
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> mspamed: look in your syslog/dmesg for usefull errors
[09:32] <mspamed> hateball: I had installed ubuntumate and lubuntu they had the same issues.
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial | mspamed you have the same kernel?
[09:34] <hateball> he showed us 4.8 iirc
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> hateball: could it be a kernel thing?
[09:35] <aditpro> hello
[09:35] <hateball> lotuspsychje: well I guess so, but using PPA for mesa should go around that
[09:35] <mspamed> lotuspsychje: ubottu: how to check kernal version
[09:35] <hateball> there is also oibaf ppa for more bleeding edge mesa than padoka offers
[09:36] <aditpro> can i change boot animation in ubuntu ?
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> mspamed: uname -a
[09:36] <mspamed> Linux BatCave 4.8.0-51-generic #54~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 26 16:00:28 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:36] <aditpro> is everyone here have knowledge about programming ?
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> aditpro: ##programming
[09:37] <aditpro> what was that ?
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> aditpro: a channel suggest for programming
[09:37] <aditpro> i know that.
[09:37] <mspamed> lotuspsychje: Linux BatCave 4.8.0-51-generic #54~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 26 16:00:28 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> mspamed: perhaps as a test, try out a different kernel at boot?
[09:38] <aditpro> i am here just want to know, how much person can programming..
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> aditpro: this is ubuntu support, for ubuntu support questions
[09:38] <mspamed> lotuspsychje: okay, will do
[09:38] <aditpro> oh sorry i dont know, this first time i use IRC.
[09:38] <aditpro> look like chat but only text
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> !chat | aditpro
[09:39] <aditpro> i have to register
[09:40] <pynki> since a few days it seems like oyu have to register - yes
[09:40] <TomyWork> yeah there was a bot attack
[09:40] <TomyWork> someone apparently got mad over an audio bug
[09:40] <mspamed> lotuspsychje: Linux BatCave 4.8.0-36-generic #36~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Sun Feb 5 09:39:57 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:40] <aditpro> if i am not registered, i can't come in to this channel.
[09:41] <mspamed> lotuspsychje: Still flickering
[09:41] <TomyWork> aditpro neither can the spambots
[09:41] <pynki> right - you will be redirected to #ubuntu-unregged
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> mspamed: have you tryed creating another user to test?
[09:41] <aditpro> ok don't say i am bot attack.
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> mspamed: or the guest account
[09:41] <TomyWork> aditpro who knows :)
[09:42] <mspamed> lotuspsychje: okay will try that too.
[09:42] <bazhang> aditpro, did you have an ubuntu support question
[09:42] <TomyWork> anyway, wouldnt it be better if the bots could join but not say anything or change their name?
[09:42] <aditpro> nope
[09:42] <bazhang> aditpro, this is not random chat, but ubuntu support
[09:42] <TomyWork> that would be harder to detect for them
[09:42] <aditpro> i have no problem or question
[09:42] <aditpro> ok sorry
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> TomyWork: dont feed regular chat here plz
[09:42] <aditpro> so if you can hack me do now.
[09:43] <aditpro> just kidding.
[09:43] <bazhang> for programming go to ##programming
[09:43] <bazhang> aditpro, please stop the random chit chat here
[09:43] <TomyWork> lotuspsychje just thinking out loud. i guess i'll find an op to discuss this with
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> TomyWork: join #ubuntu-discuss mate :p
[09:44] <Zborg> is there any way to get the old md5deep back, or at least a quick script for converting a hashdeep file to md5deep/md5sum format?
[09:45] <mspamed> lotuspsychje: Just went to the guest account and created a user too and signed in to that too, still flickering
[09:45] <aditpro> ok i have question how to make desktop shortcut in ubuntu ?
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> mspamed: okay im out of ideas then mate sorry..try a !bug perhaps to help yourself and the community or re-ask in channel
[09:45] <SimonNL> aditpro: right click desktop choose from there.
[09:46] <aditpro> oh sorry i mean, i have program and placed in opt so i want to make shortcut to dekstop.
[09:46] <mspamed> lotuspsychje: I had installed 14.04 and it was running fine but then it got upgraded and then even 14.04 had that issue, if the update wouldnt have caused that issue I wouldn't mind staying on 14.
[09:47] <bazhang> what is it that is in /opt aditpro
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> !bug | mspamed
[09:48] <mspamed> ubottu: lotuspsychje: hateball: thanks for your time, I will report it but will see if I can find a way to get this fixed. I feel it's xorg that I need to downgrade or upgrade or change or something
[09:48] <SimonNL> aditpro: https://www.google.nl/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=MnbKVfmjAaKx8wfC9aq4Cg&gws_rd=ssl#q=create+shortcut+on+desktop+ubuntu        simple.
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> mspamed: oh, one last suggest: try a Liveusb 16.04.2 to check if you got flickering also
[09:50] <mspamed> lotuspsychje: Yeah it was flickering when I was installing too, not just ubuntu. Even the latest fedora, mint and linuxlite. Only windows and older versions of ubuntu are running fine
[09:51] <twilight> Hello guys, I have a question regarding the ls output. https://pastebin.com/RbFx2rVA . "total" says 6.4M, there is only 1 12K file in the directory, but "." says 6.4M. Can you help me to understand these values?
[09:51] <twilight> per documentation "For each directory that is listed, preface the files with a line `total BLOCKS', where BLOCKS is the total disk allocation for all files in that directory."
[09:53] <axhm3a> @twilight blocksize maybe?
[09:58] <aditpro> ok helpful
[09:59] <geirha> twilight: It has probably had a lot of files in it at some point
[10:03] <twilight> @geirha exactly. So can I ask you why it still has this size? Shouldn't be adapted now that the content is of just some kb?
[10:05] <mistralol> anyone know why I get static in the audio on an intel nuc after its been running for a while?
[10:06] <geirha> twilight: well, every time you remove a file, I guess it *could* check if it could reduce the amount of blocks allocated for the dir, but why bother?
[10:10] <Bent0> I'm trying to figure out slow boot times. dmesg -d shows the seconds jump up suddenly at this line: ------------[ cut here ]------------              Which is kind of useless. Any idea why it says cut here and how to show actual data there?
[10:10] <twilight> @geirha well I was just curious to see 6.4M for "." and only a 12K file inside, just for that
[10:10] <EriC^^> Bent0: that usually means a call dump and some program crashed
[10:11] <Bent0> This is the output https://kopy.io/S97YP    Im trying to make sense of it :p
[10:11] <Bent0> Well it's the bottom part of the output anyway
[10:12] <geirha> twilight: easy to reproduce. cd "$(mktemp -d)" && ls -sdh . && touch {00000..99999} && rm * && ls -sdh .
[10:12] <frankspank> why is gnome-software running and sucking up 230mb of ram when the app isn't even open?
[10:12] <EriC^^> Bent0: try a memtest maybe
[10:13] <blip-> hi, upon login I get a message that Ubuntu 16.04 has experienced an internal error.  Details show that Xorg is crashing.  Can you help me debug this?
[10:14] <geirha> twilight: the size of the files inside doesn't matter, it's only the amount
[10:15] <EriC^^> geirha: how's that possible? it has no files anymore after rm *
[10:16] <EriC^^> du -sh . shows 2.1M
[10:16] <Bent0> EriC^^: It's on multiple machines, older and newer so guess its not the RAM
[10:16] <twilight> @geirha interesting, thanks. Can I ask you how the amount is calculated? Because if it is increased proportionally when the number / size of files increases, I was expecting it to  decrease accordingly
[10:16] <Bent0> Any way of showing that dump instead of cut here?
[10:17] <EriC^^> Bent0: the dump is at the bottom of it i think, the call trace
[10:17] <Bent0> oh ok :P will try to make sense of that then haha
[10:17] <EriC^^> Bent0: i think it's from the bottom to top, last function called to the earliest at the bottom (i think)
[10:17] <EriC^^> so start at the very end and work your way up
[10:18] <frankspank> anyone know if it's safe to disable the gnome-software service?
[10:18] <frankspank> f***** off with it sucking up 200mbs just to check for updates...POS
[10:19] <EriC^^> frankspank: it's probably updating stuff
[10:19] <EriC^^> !language | frankspank
[10:19] <frankspank> EriC^^, nope it always gobbles up that amount, updating or not
[10:19] <geirha> EriC^^: it just doesn't automatically deallocate
[10:20] <frankspank> geirha, yeah this seems to be the case
[10:20] <Bent0> EriC^^: cheers
[10:20] <EriC^^> geirha: aha
[10:20] <EriC^^> geirha: if i unmount and mount the filesystem it'll deallocate?
[10:21] <frankspank> disabling auto updates in gnome-software doesn't prevent it hogging ram, so just want to know if its safe to disable the service completely?
[10:25] <geirha> EriC^^: I don't think so. Removing and recreating the dir will though. May also depend on the underlying filesystem for all I know.
[10:26] <EriC^^> geirha: aha, thanks for the info
[10:26] <Rembo> hello everyone, i'm trying to add a new drive to raid http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=fxwisz&s=9#.WRWM8bkpoVQ
[10:26] <Rembo> can someone help me?
[10:51] <Lucretia> hi, i'm trying to set up opendkim on 17.04, but for some reason the /etc/default/opendkim file I have is being ignored
[11:09] <ikonia> opendkim ?
[11:18] <pynki> Lucretia, opendkim?
[11:18] <Lucretia> pynki: yeah, found the issue, just trying to make it work
[11:19] <pynki> Lucretia, read the article on help.ubuntu.com?
[11:19] <apekatten> is there no way to get OpenCL with AMD GPU on Ubuntu newer than 16.04?
[11:20] <Lucretia> pynki: which article?
[11:20] <pynki> Lucretia, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix/DKIM this one
[11:21] <pynki> apekatten, https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/OpenCL2-Driver.aspx according to this: 14.04
[11:22] <Lucretia> pynki: yeah, seen that, but it's for an older version. /etc/default/opendkim and /etc/opendkim.conf are ignored by /etc/init.d/opendkim, because that script isn't used to run the daemon. /lib/systemd/system/opendkim.service is, apparently, but even editing that, doesn't do anything. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=853769 <<
[11:23] <Cooler> when is ubuntu going to be available on the windows store?
[11:23] <ducasse> !ubuwin | Cooler
[11:23] <apekatten> pynki: AMDGPU-PRO is available for Ubuntu 16.04 as well. But not newer. Was hoping someone here knew about something I doesn't :)
[11:24] <Cooler> ducasse, no i am talking about programs, i mean the entire OS
[11:24] <ducasse> Cooler: i suggest you ask there, as it's offtopic here
[11:25] <pynki> apekatten, http://developer.amd.com/tools-and-sdks/opencl-zone/amd-accelerated-parallel-processing-app-sdk/
[11:26] <apekatten> pynki: Thanks! I'll check that out
[11:27] <pynki> apekatten, qith 16.04 you are newer than the amd resources support. and it will be supported in 18.04 - quite sure about that. but i doubt that someone takes on the work for a operating system that has the life span of a butterfly...
[11:30] <apekatten> pynki: Yeah, I understand that somehow, but I am disappointed about AMD and their support for Linux in general. Seems like 4.8 kernel is the newest they support. A new AMDGPU-PRO just released not long ago, but still just for 4.8 http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDGPU-PRO-Driver-for-Linux-Release-Notes.aspx
[11:30] <Cooler> ppl don't seem very excited
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:31] <pynki> Cooler, why should something be in the windows store when its available free on the market - and is not running on windows?
[11:31] <pynki> BluesKaj, aloha
[11:32] <ducasse> Cooler: and it's not the entire os, just the userspace on top of wsl
[11:32] <Cooler> ducasse, oh
[11:32] <Cooler> really?
[11:32] <ducasse> Cooler: yes.
[11:32] <BluesKaj> pynki,  hi
[11:32] <pynki> apekatten, 16.04. comes with 4.8 i think
[11:33] <pynki> its alot of work to make these things running well. i have nvidia dev enviroments here that only run on 14.04 :/
[11:33] <Cooler> ducasse, do you have a link though? i can't find it in the store
[11:34] <leftyfb> Cooler: https://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/
[11:34] <pynki> Cooler, https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/faq
[11:34] <leftyfb> Cooler: one of the first links on google
[11:34] <ducasse> Cooler: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntu-is-coming-to-windows-store
[11:35] <onomatopiea> WSL is pretty decent
[11:35] <onomatopiea> I'm using it often enough
[11:35] <ducasse> Cooler: start there and see what you can find, i don't do windows.
[11:35] <Cooler> it says distros
[11:35] <Cooler> doesn't that mean the entire OS?
[11:35] <pynki> no
[11:36] <ducasse> Cooler: read the article
[11:36] <pynki> Cooler: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/about
[11:38] <pynki> onomatopiea, do you have the wsl running? mind a pm if you do so? i would have one or two questions...
[11:39] <Cooler> so what exactly does this mean? that you don't need to install mingw or cygwin?
[11:39] <Cooler> or msys2
[11:40] <Cooler> all the tools like make and gcc and grep are going to be provided with the userspace?
[11:45] <onomatopiea> pynki: Just ask in here :)
[11:45] <apekatten> pynki: Yeah I know. I'm sorry if I was unclear, I am running 16.04 now (almost) without problems, but I want to try 17.04
[11:46] <oerheks> Cooler, ask in #ubuwin
[11:46] <Cooler> oerheks, theres like 16 people there
[11:47] <oerheks> in a few hours, weekend is starting, more chance for answers
[11:47] <ducasse> Cooler: doesn't matter, it's offtopic here
[11:47]  * oerheks thinks due to bug 1, ubuwin is a bad idea IMHO
[12:06] <pynki> onomatopiea, can i run things like openssh, cryptsetup etc?
[12:07] <onomatopiea> openssh as in the server?
[12:08] <pynki> no as in the client
[12:08] <onomatopiea> sure, I use it to ssh all the time
[12:08] <onomatopiea> fyi: Windows is coming with an ssh server soon!
[12:08] <pynki> need a windows system an recently just setup a second laptop because terraterm and putty are plain ugly...
[12:08] <onomatopiea> I just install git and put ssh into my path. That's how I'm sshd onto this box right now
[12:09] <onomatopiea> Then use ConEmu to make it prettier. Not sure how to do sshkeys though, I just use a password
[12:23] <pynki> onomatopiea, this. is. sparta! this thing was fster installed than expected :o
[12:24] <onomatopiea> How are you finding it?
[12:25] <pynki> too much green :D
[12:26] <onomatopiea> Now let me ask you a question pynki. Do you know docker compose?
[12:27] <pynki> onomatopiea, nope
[12:27] <pynki> i stayed away from docker so far
[12:27] <onomatopiea> bah
[12:28] <pynki> always looked like vm's for poor people to me
[12:29] <pynki> but actually i have no idea what it is about
[12:32] <pynki> don't get me wrong: the idea of running something in production on a vm is not appealing to me too
[12:32] <onomatopiea> "It doesn't seem good.. But really I have no idea what it is"
[12:32] <onomatopiea> Ok.
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | pynki onomatopiea
[12:43] <blip-> Hi, im confused why virtualgl is not in the ubuntu 16.04 repos.  Am I missing something ?
[12:44] <DexterF> hi
[12:44] <DexterF> where has sfdisk goen? 16.04
[12:45] <pynki> !info util-linux | DexterF
[12:53] <blip-> Bumblebee's guide says that for Ubuntu 14.04+, one does not need to add the PPA.  Problem is virtualgl is Not in ubuntu 16.04 repos.   And the PPA only supports up to 15.04.  what's going on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee
[12:54] <oerheks> bumblebee is old, current is Prime ?
[12:57] <blip-> oerheks, Prime is the feature from open-source nouveau driver yes ?
[12:57] <qswz> huh pulseaudio was running without any app using sound, vm size 1.3G
[12:58] <hateball> blip-: prime is used with the blob
[12:58] <blip-> oerheks, because the official driver has an option called Prime in nvidia-settings, lets you manually switch.   I wonder if the 4 bullet points are up-to-date https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA_Optimus
[12:58] <qswz> totally https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0509/31/1445439555304.png
[12:58] <invariant1729> !ppa
[12:58] <oerheks> blip-, indeed, prime is for current Nvidia driver, not for nouveau
[12:59] <oerheks> qswz, offtopic, please don't spam here, join #ubuntu-offtopic for that, thanks.
[12:59] <qswz> ok..ay
[12:59] <BubbaBeans> hi all
[12:59] <blip-> oerheks, hateball:  i see, the information in that arch wiki is wrong then.  I currently have official nv driver.  can manually switch profile only, so it's not as good as bumblee which lets you open individual apps on different vgas
[13:00] <qswz> the spam detection isn't perfect yet
[13:02] <DexterF> pynki, thanks. expected cnf to find but there is no cnf as well
[13:08] <hosas> ibus-ui-gtk3 jumps to about 100% cpu usage when I minimize or close a program and unity freezes sometimes-I'm using Trusty
[13:29] <notchris_> Hello all
[13:29] <notchris_> Is this the wrong channel for questions about SSH Encryption?
[13:30] <PipeItToDevNull> notchris_, what is the question
[13:30] <notchris_> PipeItToDevNull: At work, our server keeps failing PCI compliance because of one issue (out of like 60)
[13:31] <notchris_> “SSH Arcfour Encryption Algorithms Supported"
[13:31] <notchris_> So i disabled the insecure Cyphers and got an A+ rating on our SSL stuff
[13:31] <notchris_> But that issue keeps failing
[13:31] <PipeItToDevNull> Not sure why SSL would care about SSH but ok
[13:31] <notchris_> Oh hmm
[13:32] <notchris_> So I’ve been changing the SSL Cyphers then
[13:32] <notchris_> How do I adjust SSH security?
[13:32] <PipeItToDevNull> The ssh config file in /etc/ssh/sshd.config
[13:32] <PipeItToDevNull> sshd_config
[13:33] <notchris_> OK, there is both ssh_config and sshd_config
[13:33] <notchris_> I opened sshd_config, what is the diff?
[13:33] <PipeItToDevNull> d
[13:33] <PipeItToDevNull> Sec, I normally manage this client side.
[13:34] <notchris_> Ahh
[13:34] <EriC^^> notchris_: sshd is for the daemon, ssh is for the client general config
[13:34] <notchris_> Gotcha
[13:34] <notchris_> So then, I need to disabled Arcfour Encryption Algorithms
[13:34] <notchris_> Which I think is RC4
[13:34] <PipeItToDevNull> notchris_, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/321916/disable-arcfour-encryption
[13:34] <notchris_> Is that CentOS specific?
[13:35] <PipeItToDevNull> Nope
[13:35] <PipeItToDevNull> Make sure to take precauctions so you dont lock yourself out of your box
[13:35] <notchris_> I’m on DO so i can always access via terminal on their site
[13:36] <notchris_> I’m using “Ciphers aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc"
[13:36] <notchris_> So do ciphers differ between SSL and SSH?
[13:36] <PipeItToDevNull> notchris_, The cipher is the same, it is a cryptographic funciton. But SSH is managed by SSHD, not whatever your SSL is
[13:37] <notchris_> so my SSL config ciphers wont necessarily need to match my SSh ciphers
[13:37] <PipeItToDevNull> No, SSL is used by a webserver, SSH is only used by clients connecting to SSH on the SSH port for SSH traffic
[13:37] <notchris_> Ah I see
[13:38] <akik> ssh is linked against libssl
[13:38] <notchris_> So once I restart the daemon, how do I check to see if Arcfour has been disabled?
[13:38] <notchris_> oh wow
[13:38] <notchris_> nm i see
[13:38] <notchris_> lmao
[13:38] <PipeItToDevNull> notchris_, Run your scan again. Or try and force a client to connect with that cipher
[13:38] <notchris_> ssh <hostname> -c arcfour
[13:38] <notchris_> I guess is the rec
[13:39] <donofrio> anyone ever link multiple x11 servers together to be one big screen? (o> aka I have eight desktop's running ubuntu how do I make a single desktop over all the screens?)
[13:39] <PipeItToDevNull> I have never done it from command line, I edit my client config for the ciphers
[13:41] <akik> notchris_: there's a Ciphers keyword for sshd_config
[13:47] <notchris_> no matching cipher found: client arcfour server aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc
[13:47] <notchris_> all set :D
[13:47] <notchris_> Thank you everyone <3
[13:56] <GivenToCode> Hi I am on ubuntu 14.04, when ever i start a new application it does not open in the background
[13:56] <GivenToCode> *does not open in the foreground
[13:56] <GivenToCode> I found this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/514450/programs-never-open-in-foreground/514462
[13:57] <GivenToCode> but apt-get can't find compizconfig-settings-manager
[13:57] <leftyfb> GivenToCode: try running something like firefox or even gedit from the terminal. See if there's an error message
[13:59] <oerheks> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[13:59] <oerheks> it is in universe repo
[14:01] <GivenToCode> leftyfb, no error, i get the little popup at the bottom of the screen that gedit is ready and i have to click it to open gedit
[14:01] <GivenToCode> Ideally gedit would just open in the foreground
[14:01] <Trel> With UFW is there any way to define an IP alias with a collection of IPs?
[14:02] <Jack_Sparrow__> !find ccsm
[14:03] <leftyfb> GivenToCode: popup at the bottom of the screen? Are you running Unity? Regardless, you can install ccsm by enabling the universe repo
[14:03] <oerheks> ccsm is the short name when installed
[14:03] <Jack_Sparrow__> Thanks lefty
[14:04] <Jack_Sparrow__> ans oerheks
[14:04] <Jack_Sparrow__> Trel, fresh from Windows?
[14:04] <Trel> Jack_Sparrow__, no, why?
[14:05] <Jack_Sparrow__> Most of us never need UFW
[14:05] <Trel> I don't feel like learning iptables.
[14:05] <GivenToCode> I think it's gnome focus stealing
[14:07] <Trel> Jack_Sparrow__, how would you suggest opening SSH to only specific IPs on an internet facing machine?
[14:07] <Trel> or any service really
[14:07] <PipeItToDevNull> Trel, If you dont want to use iptables use UFW
[14:07] <Trel> -_-
[14:08] <Trel> Hence my original question about UFW....
[14:08] <PipeItToDevNull> How far up is it
[14:09] <PipeItToDevNull> AH.
[14:09] <PipeItToDevNull> Sorry, dunno
[14:11] <leftyfb> Trel: -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.200 -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
[14:11] <leftyfb> Trel: you could also use hosts.allow and your public ssh key to restrict access to certain ip's
[14:11] <tcorneli_> hi, i'm having trouble connecting to the ubuntu channel from my irc client, polari. i'm always redirected #ubuntu_unregistered, even thought i'm registering through nickserv.
[14:12] <leftyfb> tcorneli_: you need to ident(login) with nickserv after registering
[14:12] <Trel> leftyfb, ssh is just an example, one thing I need to do is restrict access to the webserver temporarily to a group of IPs
[14:13] <Trel> Basically, I'm going to be doing work on a live system, that needs to be up to be worked on, but needs to only allow people who are participating in the work done.
[14:13] <leftyfb> Trel: iptables -t filter -A INPUT -s 192.168.1.1,2.2.2.2,10.10.10.10 -j ACCEPT
[14:13] <Trel> So I wanted to restrict all access to the machine on all the open ports to their IPs.
[14:13] <Trel> My question was about using an alias, not how to do it.
[14:13] <leftyfb> tcorneli_: please don't pm
[14:14] <leftyfb> tcorneli_: try #help
[14:14] <leftyfb> Trel: and alias for what?
[14:14] <Trel> I can do it just fine with iptables or ufw using individual IPs.  I was hoping there was some way to group them into an alias.
[14:14] <Trel> leftyfb, multiple IPs
[14:15] <leftyfb> Trel: you could write a script that sets the ip's as an alias and uses that to generate your iptables rules
[14:17] <Trel> So, as a yes/no question, with ufw (or iptables) is there any way to group IPs into an alias/group directly?
[14:17] <Trel> (What you said, is what I'm doing now)
[14:17] <leftyfb> no idea. I don't need a front-end to iptables. I use iptables directly.
[14:17] <leftyfb> I doubt it
[14:18] <leftyfb> since ufw was made for people who don't understand and don't want to spend the time learning iptables an just want to do simple tasks. any serious admin uses iptables
[14:19] <Jack_Sparrow__> tcorneli_, You here?
[14:20] <tcorneli_> Jack_Sparrow__: yes
[14:20] <Jack_Sparrow__> May I PM you for a sec
[14:20] <tcorneli_> Jack_Sparrow__: sure
[14:23] <Trel> leftyfb, since most cases, it's allow 80, 443, and 22, I don't see any real reason to use iptables over ufw.  With the exception of this odd case (having to do maintenance on the live system without taking it offline, but also denying access to everyone but certain people)
[14:23] <Trel> Otherwise, in all cases, it's just allow those three ports from everyone on tcp
[14:23] <leftyfb> Trel: write a script to loop through your ip's and add the rules that way.
[14:24] <tgm4883> Trel: you should be able to do that with UFW as well
[14:24] <leftyfb> Trel: also, I would definitely test this on a vm/container before doing anything in production
[14:24] <Trel> Yep, that's what I'm doing.  The machine itself is a VM to which I do have console access so I'm not worried about locking myself out.
[14:25] <leftyfb> locking yourself out is worse case, ticking off coworkers/customers because things don't work for them might also be a concern
[14:26] <donofrio> Anyone ever linked multiple Xorg clients together to be one big server screen? (aka I have eight desktop's running ubuntu how do I make a single desktop over all the screens?)
[14:26] <mistralol> donofrio: never done it but would be interested to know how
[14:26] <leftyfb> donofrio: i've heard of that being done before
[14:27] <leftyfb> donofrio: though I think you're referring to multiple xorg servers
[14:27] <donofrio> right 8 servers one client I mean
[14:28] <leftyfb> wait
[14:28] <leftyfb> huh?
[14:28] <donofrio> gotta be someone that's done this....now that hardware previlent these dayss
[14:28] <mistralol> donofrio: xinerama might do it
[14:28] <donofrio> not same machine
[14:28] <leftyfb> oh
[14:28] <donofrio> 8 seprate clients into one desktop server
[14:28] <Trel> leftyfb, pissing off coworkers doesn't matter in this case.  If they get pissed off, they need to raise a ticket.  But.......the helpdesk is what I'm doing the work on :3
[14:30] <leftyfb> donofrio: why not just run apps from the other desktop through X forwarding? Also, what's the end goal? Why do you need content from 8 desktops on one screen?
[14:32] <mistralol> donofrio: http://dmx.sourceforge.net/
[14:45] <meekus> Hey guys. Need a little help with tap-devices. Running the lates ubuntu, freshly installed generic-kernel. I can't for the life of me create an tap-device. I tried both via tunctl and openvpn. Bothe claim to have created a persistent tap0, but a quick ls reveals that nothing is there.
[14:46] <nacc> meekus: where are you `ls`-ing?
[14:46] <nacc> meekus: i woudl think you would use `ip addr` to see if a device was created
[14:48] <donofrio> mistralol, checking out link now
[14:50] <meekus> ls -l /dev
[14:50] <meekus> ip addr shows the device.
[14:50] <meekus> My end goal is to get SheepShaver (an emulator) run using said tap device.
[14:50] <donofrio> mistralol, is that an ubuntu supported project?  will it handel Mir?
[14:51] <meekus> SheepShaver complains about /dev/tap0 not being there.
[14:51] <meekus> ...and rightfully so. Even though ip addr shows tap0, it's not in /dev/
[14:52] <nacc> meekus: i think you can ask ip what underlying dev it's using
[14:54] <donofrio> leftyfb, I have this https://1drv.ms/i/s!AsBlZbBf72iNlIZd9nhvtlX_ylkeoA now would like to run ubuntu on both notebooks and have a four screen joined / spanning video setup
[14:55] <leftyfb> donofrio: I'm not sure video is going to span across multiple X servers
[14:56] <leftyfb> donofrio: besides that, you could just run synergy on them
[14:56] <jackhum> hey , i use ubuntu as my primary linux distro , lately i have installed kali linux just for experience , i find its desktop environment to be very off  from ubuntu . Anyway i can make it more near to my ubuntu experience?
[14:56] <Sam1070> Can I get support
[14:56] <leftyfb> jackhum: if you're asking that question, why are you running kali?
[14:56] <leftyfb> Sam1070: not if you don't ask a question
[14:57] <jackhum> leftyfb: i am just trying to see what power does it gives in pentesting,
[14:57] <jackhum> leftyfb: lol, i am just trying different things out
[14:58] <jarlath> It seems I have a non-default kernel in my system. Might have gotten pulled in with an audio app. How can I go back to 'stock'?
[14:58] <meekus> nacc: After a quick glance to the man page I got ip to dump some basic information by using ip tuntap show, but the device is nowhere to be seen. got another hint?
[14:59] <nacc> meekus: on the phone, will respond in a bit
[15:00] <meekus> thanks! take your time! :)
[15:01] <leftyfb> jarlath: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[15:01] <jarlath> 16.04 leftyfb (64-bit)
[15:01] <leftyfb> jarlath: sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04
[15:01] <leftyfb> then remove the kernel you don't want
[15:02] <leftyfb> i'm curious which kernel you're running thtough
[15:02] <jarlath> 4.6.0-040600-lowlatency #201606100558 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jun 10 10:04:04 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:02] <jarlath> I use apt autoremove though so I'm afraid there won't be another kernel to take it's place.
[15:02] <jarlath>  
[15:03] <leftyfb> jarlath: sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04
[15:03] <leftyfb> jarlath: since that's a newer kernel than 4.6, that will be the default to boot
[15:03] <jarlath> Thanks!
[15:28] <donofrio> leftyfb, I have run synergy for years, not looking for HID from one to many but full desktop from many to one (big screen) heer is my old daily driver before that had me go down to four screens - https://1drv.ms/i/s!AsBlZbBf72iNrSKiD9bzZgGZ0NTm I'm now peddling with https://1drv.ms/i/s!AsBlZbBf72iNlq5h-oRVKNtMt4CHLg and I still would love to have one desktop six outputs thinking like four or six desktop's running client xorg's and
[15:28] <donofrio> one desktop
[15:36] <everson> Hi - the Chrome lag on multiple workspaces in 16.04 - anyone know if there's progress being made on this bug?
[15:38] <tgm4883> everson: chrome lag?
[15:38] <tgm4883> everson: the browser?
[15:38] <everson> tgm4883, yeah
[15:38] <everson> tgm4883, when opened on multiple workspaces it lags horribly
[15:38] <tgm4883> everson: you'd probably need to ask the closed source developer of that application
[15:39] <everson> tgm4883, this bug fyi - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1628866
[15:39] <everson> Happens in 16.10 and 16.04 LTS
[15:39] <everson> Was just wondering
[15:40] <everson> Disabling hardware acceleration in Chrome settings removes the lag when scrolling / opening tabs, but now my video rendering struggles at full screen :/
[15:41] <tgm4883> Well you've linked the bug report, so that would be the best place to look if progress is being made
[15:42] <donofrio> also everson chromium is the open sourse version if intrested...
[15:42] <tgm4883> I'm not having any issues on 16.04
[15:42] <donofrio> everson, guessing your graphics driver is not working as it should  (just a guess mind you)
[15:43] <everson> Probably my GPU / drivers
[15:43] <everson> yeah
[15:43] <tgm4883> But i'm not running compiz either which the bug report suggests might be the culprit
[15:43] <everson> Intel HD Graphics 4000
[15:43] <everson> I am running compiz, but only to tweak my workspace layout
[15:43] <tgm4883> everson: Unity?
[15:43] <everson> I guess I could live without my custom workspace layout for - will try that out
[15:43] <everson> tgm4883, yeah
[15:43] <tgm4883> Then you're running compiz anyway
[15:44] <everson> Oh ok I was confused, thought you were referring to my manual install of compiz-config
[15:44] <oerheks> everson, that bug is about hd 5500 intel
[15:44] <everson> I guess that's just the editor
[15:44] <everson> oerheks, yeah I saw that, not sure why it's affecting me; also 14.04 ran perfectly fwtw
[15:44] <oerheks> everson,  see this  arch wiki, create a xorg.conf and try the UXA option, instead of SNA
[15:44] <oerheks> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics#SNA_issues
[15:45] <everson> oerheks, cool will check it out thanks
[15:45] <oerheks> or disable 3d, Option "DRI" "False"
[15:45] <RonWhoCares> I am using Ubuntu 16.04    CUPS has quit queing jobs.  Test page prints ok.  Any idea how to proceed?
[15:45] <everson> oerheks, disable it altogether or just switch back to 2
[15:45] <oerheks> maybe your bios can give more videoram to the integrated graphics, might help too
[15:49] <phos1> How can I downgrade from php 5.6 to 5.5? I have both installed but php -v still shows php 5.6.29
[15:49] <phos1> I tried sudo a2dismod but it tells me it’s already disabled, and that 5.5 is enabled
[15:51] <oerheks> phos1, not sure you want such unsafe version, dpkg-reconfigure php5 perhaps?
[15:52] <phos1> oerheks: What does that do, just rebuild php5?
[15:52] <oerheks> no, it just resets to the standard you choose
[15:53] <phos1> so i ran that, nd php -v still shows 5.6
[15:54] <oerheks> phos1, then i have no clue, maybe you can reask in #ubuntu-server too?
[15:57] <nacc> phos1: php and the apache module are unrelated
[15:57] <nacc> phos1: the versions, i mean
[16:01] <meekus> for the record: creating my tap device using "mknod /dev/tap0 c 36 16" didn't help. it was there, but sheepshaver still didn't like it.
[16:01] <lyze> Hey! I've got a rather old acer laptop. (Acer Aspire V3-772G, GeForce GTX 850M) and when I try to boot from the usb stick the screen flashes?
[16:02] <nacc> meekus: sorry, back now
[16:02] <nacc> meekus: yeah, i think sheepshaver (whatever thtat is) seems buggy
[16:02] <lyze> When I move the mouse it stays on but when I don't move it it flashes
[16:03] <meekus> nacc: no worries.
[16:04] <meekus> nacc: i'm not so sure about that. using tap-devices with sheepshaver works just fine on Mac OS X. I think you can't simply create the device using mknod like I did.
[16:06] <nacc> meekus: well given the software is not the same on macosx and linux, i don't think that's particularly relevant
[16:06] <meekus> but the network code is.
[16:07] <nacc> they are completely different operating systems?
[16:07] <meekus> but both are unixes or at least unix-like.
[16:08] <nacc> meekus: so? unrelated in about every way in the source
[16:09] <meekus> no, as I said. the very same source code is working with tap devices just fine on one but not on the other. the very same code worked just fine on earlier version of linux...
[16:09] <nacc> meekus: i meant linux vs. osx
[16:09] <nacc> meekus: and probably that means the source of your tool is out of date with modern linux
[16:10] <nacc> meekus: tun devices, iirc, are virtual anyways
[16:10] <meekus> yeah, whoever opens /dev/net/tun gets their own tun. but tun is layer 3, I'd like to do layer 2. so that means tap.
[16:12] <raphinesse> Hi everyone! I can connect to my WiFi from my PC running windows and from my laptop running Ubuntu. When I try to connect from the very same Ubuntu installation running on the PC (I switch the system SSD), the connection fails on every attempt.
[16:12] <raphinesse> The NM log has this warning, amongst others:
[16:12] <raphinesse> Activation: (wifi) association took too long, failing activation
[16:12] <nacc> meekus: you know network devices aren't in /dev generally, right?
[16:13] <raphinesse> Any ideas on how to investigate further?
[16:13] <meekus> yup. but tap was. like tun still is.
[16:13] <nacc> meekus: /dev/net/tun is not your tun device
[16:13] <nacc> meekus: that's the tun control devie
[16:14] <raphinesse> No Mac filters, WPA2 PSK
[16:14] <meekus> ok, right, true. the actual tun device that you get by opening /dev/net/tun is not in /dev. you're right there.
[16:15] <nacc> meekus: it's i /sys/device/net/ probably
[16:15] <nacc> meekus: so agai, sheepshaver is not compatible with modern linux
[16:15] <Jack_Sparrow__> raphinesse,  inxi -Fxxrzc0 | pastebinit     Provide link
[16:16] <meekus> nacc: i guess you're right in that is probably easier to update the source of sheepshaver to adapt to modern linux than to get modern linux behave like sheepshaver expects. ;)
[16:18] <meekus> i guess i'll go ahead and poke the source a little.
[16:18] <meekus> thanks for your help so far, nacc.
[16:18] <meekus> bye everyone!
[16:18] <raphinesse> Jack_Sparrow__ thanks for the pointer! It will take a moment since the machine is offline. So I will have to boot into windows to upload.
[16:19] <Jack_Sparrow__> ok
[16:19] <Jack_Sparrow__> raphinesse, is it an atheros wireless?
[16:21] <raphinesse> Jack_Sparrow__ inxi is not installed by default, I'm offline. Any other way to get the desired output?
[16:21] <Jack_Sparrow__> raphinesse, is it an atheros wireless?
[16:21] <raphinesse> Jack_Sparrow__ I think I read ralink somewhere
[16:22] <Jack_Sparrow__> What hardware, people will need to know.  Use cat5 hardline ?
[16:26] <raphinesse> I got plenty cat5 cables here, but none long enough. Could switch ssd back into notebook though. So no built in tool for the information we need?
[16:31] <raphinesse> Jack_Sparrow__ Ralink 802.11 n WLAN, using rt2800usb 4.10.0-20-generic
[16:32] <raphinesse> firmware=0.36, if that's of interest
[16:37] <raphinesse> One additional detail: it was working before the update to 17.04 yesterday
[16:37] <raphinesse> Forgot that, sorry
[16:47] <raphinesse> So here's that inxi output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24561642/
[16:49] <raphinesse> Jack_Sparrow__, does that tell us something?
[16:52] <xcyclist> I just apt-get installed pylint 3 and got:
[16:52] <xcyclist> this:  /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/nvidia-375/libEGL.so.1 is not a symbolic link  /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib32/nvidia-375/libEGL.so.1 is not a symbolic link
[16:52] <raphinesse> Anyone else got any suggestions?
[16:55] <Bashing-om> xcyclist: Identified issue. See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-375/+bug/1662860 .
[16:55] <xcyclist> Thank you.
[16:57] <Bashing-om> xcyclist: :) . Generally harmless . You can "fix" it temporarily - or install the driver from our PPA .
[16:57] <lavinho> good afternoon
[16:57] <lavinho> how to update tomtom start on ubuntu ?
[17:11] <oerheks> lavinho, there used to be pyTomTom, and jTomtom, but not for recent models
[17:12] <oerheks> solution would be virtualbox + windows
[17:55] <cwall> Hi I have added a new repository and i need to run "apt-get update" to update the package list. However, I don't want to install any updates. How do I skip the installation of updates?
[17:55] <kevr> How can I disable the RandR extension in xorg?
[17:56] <oerheks> cwall, don't run apt upgrade then, update refreshes the lists, upgrade the packages
[17:56] <cwall> oerheks, thanks.
[17:57] <Jack_Sparrow__> !ppa
[18:09] <tomreyn> kevr: it should happen automatically if your graphics card is detected properly.
[18:09] <jelly> kevr: curious, why would you want to?
[18:09] <kevr> jelly: debugging for a certain piece of software
[18:09] <kevr> there's an issue with randr/xinerama
[18:11] <tomreyn> oh sorry you asked about how to *disable* it, i didn't notice.
[18:13] <tomreyn> while i don't actually know i would guess that it is a compile time option, i.e. you could maybe choose to build X without it
[18:14] <jelly> kevr: hm, what about xserver-xephyr or xnest or xvfb?
[18:17] <jelly> Xnest doesn't seem to have RANDR
[18:27] <kevr> ah, so randr is internal to drivers?
[18:44] <donofrio> anyone run multiple x-Clients feeding into one X-server for a full desktop from many to one (big screen) heer is my old daily driver before that had me go down to four screens - https://1drv.ms/i/s!AsBlZbBf72iNrSKiD9bzZgGZ0NTm I'm now peddling with https://1drv.ms/i/s!AsBlZbBf72iNlq5h-oRVKNtMt4CHLg and I still would love to have one desktop six outputs thinking like four or six desktop's running client xorg's and one desktop
[19:03] <kevr> So there's this ServerLayout option that worked out and allowed me to disable randr
[19:03] <kevr> schweet
[19:04] <kevr> im assuming some drivers though have that completed built in
[19:04] <kevr> s/ed/ely/
[19:24] <Guy1524> I started an apt install command w/ internet, then midway through the internet stopped, then I reconnected, and now it is stuck at 70%
[19:24] <Guy1524> how do I get it to resume w/o breaking anything
[19:25] <Guy1524> nvm it fixed itself automatically somehwo
[19:26] <AntonMc> Hi
[19:27] <AntonMc> On Ubuntu Server, is there a way to limit who can access ssh?
[19:28] <kevr> yes.
[19:28] <kevr> Look up sshd_config, there is plenty of documentation
[19:29] <zealsham_> why do i always get "an error occur during signature registratiom " mid way why running apt-get updates
[19:32] <AntonMc> Is there a way to limit it to certain users rather than ip addresses
[19:32] <zealsham_> how do i get rid of "an error occured during signature key verification " while running apt-get update
[19:33] <AntonMc> remove "-get"?
[19:34] <AntonMc> @zealsham_ It's a signiture issue
[19:34] <AntonMc> How do I limit SSH to specific users
[19:35] <ioria> AntonMc, http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man5/sshd_config.5.html   look at AllowUsers
[19:36] <zealsham_> AntonMc:  how do i resolve it
[19:37] <mistralol> AntonMc: i think you can use a group to control access by ssh
[19:38] <mistralol> AntonMc: yup there is AllowUsers or AllowGroup once turn on it blocks everyone else
[19:38] <ioria> zealsham_, put sudo apt update in a pastebinit please   ; sudo apt update | pastebinit
[19:40] <AntonMc> Thanks
[19:40] <AntonMc> Now, is there a way to jail ftp to the user home directory
[19:41] <AntonMc> using ftpd
[19:43] <ioria> AntonMc, 1) don't use ftp 2) use sftp 3) yes, but it will disable the ssh feature for that user
[19:43] <PSPM> so running openvpn directly works but running it through network manager doesn't pull dns. any ideas what i could check?
[19:44] <mistralol> AntonMc: ummm just dont use ftpd. Use scp
[19:44] <ioria> AntonMc, you can look at vsftp (with ssl)
[19:45] <AntonMc> I can't use scp
[19:46] <AntonMc> I just got done restricting ssh access to a few users/groups
[19:47] <AntonMc> What can I do with ftpd?
[19:48] <ioria> AntonMc, if you don't want to use vsftp, you can look here for sftp : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SFTP_chroot
[19:48] <jappish> hey guys, how do I mount the internal drive on a macbook air with ubuntu live CD?
[19:48] <jappish> USB
[19:48] <AntonMc> ssh?
[19:49] <AntonMc> Also vsftpd didn't wor
[19:49] <AntonMc> work*
[19:50] <ioria> AntonMc,  yes, you need to edit the config file
[19:50] <ioria> AntonMc,  something like this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24562768/
[19:53] <AntonMc> Still says "access denied"
[19:55] <ioria> AntonMc,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/vsftpd#To_chroot_users
[19:56] <jappish> anyone know how to mount the internal mac ssd?
[19:59] <AntonMc> "No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it."
[19:59] <AntonMc> ftp
[19:59] <AntonMc> sftp*
[20:02] <genii> jappish: You'll need to install packages hfsutils and hsfplus. Then you can mount by: sudo mount /dev/sdX# /mnt     ..where sdX# is the drive designation and partition number of the internal ssd
[20:02] <jappish> genii: thnx, just found out I can't install anything on my live USB
[20:02] <AntonMc> What should I do now
[20:04] <jappish> genii: what's it called when you create the live usb and you can install apps on the system?
[20:04] <jappish> can't remember
[20:04] <scottjl> a live usb?
[20:04] <ChaiTRex> jappish: Persistent.
[20:04] <jappish> ChaiTRex: thanx
[20:04] <ChaiTRex> jappish: You're welcome.
[20:04] <genii> jappish: So long as the liveusb sees the internet you should be able to install things while booted to it
[20:05] <jappish> genii: That's what I thought, I can ping and surf and it find's the package and asks if I wanna install, then just pops up errors
[20:05] <jappish> after I press yes
[20:06] <genii> jappish: Perhaps you're using a version which is End Of Life
[20:06] <jappish> genii: 17.04
[20:06] <AntonMc> If I allow SSH for all users, how do I then restrict terminal access?
[20:08] <scottjl> restrict it to what?
[20:08] <AntonMc> to certain users
[20:08] <AntonMc> or groups
[20:08] <leftyfb> :/
[20:08] <leftyfb> you don't
[20:08] <akik> AntonMc: there's a keyword AllowUsers for sshd_config
[20:08] <leftyfb> because you allowed SSH for all users
[20:08] <AntonMc> I know about sshd_config
[20:08] <nacc> AntonMc: perhaps clarify what you mean by 'ssh' and 'terminal' access
[20:09] <scottjl> AntonMc: you want only root to log into the console?
[20:09] <leftyfb> wait, are you talking about local terminal?
[20:09] <genii> jappish: Another possibility is that you need to sudo apt update before trying to install something. And make sure the clock on the live usb is correct
[20:09] <AntonMc> nvm
[20:09] <ChaiTRex> You might be able to set their terminal to /bin/false, but that disables terminal access for more than just SSH sessions.
[20:09] <jappish> genii: Ah! The clock was wrong!
[20:09] <AntonMc> oh, how do I do that
[20:09] <ChaiTRex> Sorry, set their shell.
[20:09] <scottjl> AntonMc: man access.conf
[20:09] <genii> jappish: Yes, it won't install things it thinks are from the future
[20:09] <scottjl> AntonMc: you can restrict who can log into the console.
[20:09] <jappish> genii: haha, thanks, will correct and try again
[20:10] <leftyfb> AntonMc: if you do what ChaiTRex is suggestion, you would disable ALL access for any user who's $SHELL has been set to /bin/false or the like
[20:10] <Zalabaslea> hmmm
[20:10] <fish-guts> Hi. I setup a new server and added some ssh keys. it works perfectly on one machine, but it won't accept the password anymore on another machine (while logging in using xrdp) works fine for the same user. any pointers?
[20:10] <Zalabaslea> hehehe
[20:10] <leftyfb> scottjl: woah, that's a new one for me
[20:11] <scottjl> leftyfb: learn something new every day :-)
[20:11] <leftyfb> fish-guts: xrdp has nothing to do with ssh
[20:11] <AntonMc> Can I set /bin/false for all users except if specified otherwise?
[20:12] <fish-guts> leftyfb, I know. It's just curious that the same password for the same user works on the ui but not on ssh
[20:12] <scottjl> AntonMc: if someone's shell is /bin/false they can't log in at all.
[20:12] <leftyfb> AntonMc: no .. it's per user in /etc/passwd
[20:12] <akik> AntonMc: AllowUsers doesn't work for you?
[20:12] <leftyfb> fish-guts: it is the same
[20:12] <scottjl> AntonMc: if you're trying to restrict console access, you need to modify access.conf
[20:12] <leftyfb> AntonMc: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[20:13] <AntonMc> I'm trying to have it where non-specified users would have: no console access, ftp access, and the ftp would be jailed to their home directory
[20:14] <leftyfb> set their shell to /bin/false
[20:14] <scottjl> AntonMc: you mean no shell login at all
[20:14] <AntonMc> None at all
[20:14] <scottjl> AntonMc: console and ssh are two entirely different things.
[20:14] <leftyfb> AntonMc: you could also just rely on ftp users and not actual linux users ... for ftp
[20:15] <leftyfb> AntonMc: you would create ftp users that can ftp in but not have an actual user on the linux system. No login at all besides ftp
[20:15] <AntonMc> How
[20:15] <jappish> genii: looks like I need "hfsprogs" to be able to mount it but apt-get cant find hfsprogs... it did however find and install "hfsutils" and "hfsplus"
[20:16] <jappish> has that package changed somehow?
[20:16] <tgm4883> AntonMc: you'd configure that in the FTP program, so it would depend on the FTP server you were using
[20:16] <leftyfb> AntonMc: you look up the documentation for the ftp service you're using
[20:16] <fish-guts> leftyfb, same password worked on ssh before I added ssh keys for the other machine
[20:16] <AntonMc> vsftpd
[20:16] <genii> jappish: Add the universe repository
[20:16] <tgm4883> AntonMc: man vsftpd ?
[20:16] <AntonMc> I was using FTPD, but was told to switch to vsftpd
[20:16] <leftyfb> AntonMc: look up documentation or vsftpd
[20:16] <genii> !info hfsprogs
[20:18] <jappish> genii: thanks installed
[20:18] <AntonMc> Still not working
[20:19] <tgm4883> AntonMc: what's not working?
[20:19] <jappish> genii: hmm.. getting "wrong fstype, bad option, bad superblock" when I try to mount it
[20:19] <jappish> any idea?
[20:21] <jappish> genii: it's blank in the file system column
[20:21] <genii> jappish: Try with explicitly declaring the fs... eg: sudo mount -t hfs /dev/xxx /mnt
[20:21] <jappish> genii: still same error
[20:23] <AntonMc> back
[20:23] <AntonMc> and pretty much nothing is working at this point
[20:23] <scythefwd> evenin folks
[20:24] <AntonMc> I'm going to have to wait another 30 minutes for the backup to complete
[20:25] <genii> jappish: Probably encrypted
[20:25] <AntonMc> nvm, it's all still on the old server
[20:26] <phos1> Is it possible to setup my vhosts so that it automatically makes a vhost based on folder structure? I am wanting to do a client>branchname, and then branchname.clientname.domain.
[20:26] <AntonMc> I'm thinking it would probably be best to go back to it
[20:26] <jappish> genii: ok.. would a journaled fs-type behave like this? I'm just interested in reading it
[20:26] <jappish> not writing
[20:26] <phos1> I used DNS Mask on my mac to do something similar but I”m not sure if I can do that on Ubuntu
[20:27] <genii> jappish: If it's encrypted, there's no way to read it's contents from an external system
[20:27] <jappish> ah ok
[20:28] <jappish> genii: thanks, you have been very helpful
[20:28] <jappish> have a great day
[20:30] <genii> jappish: Glad to assist
[20:35] <fish-guts> still struggling with my ssh setup. interesting behaviour is that in the same network, logging in my server using the hostname on the server works fine on one machine, the other reject the same password. however, there it works supplying the IP address instead of the hostname. again, same network
[20:35] <ikonia> fish-guts: could you try to explain that a bit clearer please
[20:36] <fish-guts> ikonia, sure
[20:36] <ppf> fish-guts: you sure you logging into the same machine?
[20:36] <kenrin> What hostname is it.  fully qualified dns ?
[20:37] <fish-guts> i have a Server S, a computer A and a computer B. When I try to log onto the server using machine A supplying the hostname it works using ssh keys and / or the password. When I try to log onto the server using machine it only works using the password when I supply the IP address, but not the hostname
[20:38] <mistralol> fish-guts: run host <hostname> on boath machines A and B
[20:38] <mistralol> fish-guts: also an error message would help ;)
[20:38] <fish-guts> and it worked perfectly on machine B until I setup machine A for ssh key login
[20:38] <kenrin> or a ssh -v
[20:38] <ikonia> fish-guts: ok, so it sounds like you have a dns problem, and it sounds like your second server isn't configured for keys properly
[20:39] <fish-guts> host hostname return the same values on both machines
[20:39] <ikonia> thats bad
[20:39] <mistralol> ikonia: no thats good ;)
[20:39] <ikonia> oh, wait, I see what you mean
[20:39] <ikonia> you get the same ip from the "host" command
[20:39] <ikonia> sorry, miss-read that
[20:39] <fish-guts> :)
[20:40] <mistralol> fish-guts: dns servers the same on both machines as well?
[20:40] <fish-guts> as I said, it work perfectly fine on machine B. it stopped working after I set up machine A for passwordless login
[20:40] <mistralol> fish-guts: so the other part. What does ssh actually say?
[20:40] <ikonia> fish-guts: what happens if you ssh $hostname to machine a
[20:40] <ikonia> what is the problem you get
[20:41] <fish-guts> mistralol, it says "permission denied, please try again"
[20:41] <fish-guts> trying the same thing using xrdp also works perfectly fine
[20:41] <genii> fish-guts: When you set it up for passwordless auth, did you have it generate it's own unique keys, or did you just copy the keys from the other one?
[20:41] <kenrin> Try a ssh -v
[20:41] <ikonia> fish-guts: ok,and what happens if you use the ip
[20:41] <mistralol> fish-guts: whats the log ont he server say?
[20:41] <fish-guts> genii, i generated new keys
[20:42] <mistralol> fish-guts: did you also edit /etc/sshd_config and turn on key only access?
[20:42] <fish-guts> mistralol, nope
[20:42] <fish-guts> both auth methods are still allowed
[20:42] <fish-guts> ssh -v confirms that
[20:42] <fish-guts> "authentications that can continue: publickey,password"
[20:43] <mistralol> so basically machine B cannot login?
[20:43] <fish-guts> mistralol, not using the hostname on ssh. I can logn using the ip address and xrdp using the hostname
[20:43] <mistralol> and you do not get prompted for the password?
[20:43] <fish-guts> yes
[20:43] <ikonia> xrdp is very different than ssh
[20:43] <ikonia> and has no value
[20:43] <ikonia> what happens if you ssh to the ip
[20:44] <fish-guts> when I ssh to the ip, i get prompted for the password and I'm able to login
[20:44] <mistralol> yeah i still think you have something funky going on with dns
[20:44] <ikonia> fish-guts: ok, so if you ssh to the hostname, you don't get prompted for the password, correct ?
[20:44] <fish-guts> ikonia, yes I do
[20:44] <ikonia> fish-guts: you do get prompted for the password ?
[20:44] <fish-guts> but it doesn't accept the password
[20:45] <ikonia> fish-guts: there is no way they are the same machine then
[20:45] <mistralol> fish-guts: and you see an error when doing this ont he server?
[20:45] <ikonia> fish-guts: put a banner on the machine, or tail the security log and try it via host and ip - I suspect you'll only see one attempt
[20:46] <mistralol> fish-guts: yup tail -F /var/log/auth.log and then try to login both ways. You should see stuff happen both times
[20:46] <fish-guts> mistralol, tried ssh on the server directly, same username -> permission denied
[20:46] <fish-guts> ok, hang on
[20:49] <fish-guts> hmm now it's getting really weird. First attempt on machine B it dropped the connection pre auth, I see that on the log
[20:49] <fish-guts> the second attempt I get prompted for the password and I don't see anything
[20:50] <fish-guts> and I see a lot of attempts from IP's I don't recognize ;)
[20:50] <scythefwd> anyone using docky in here?
[20:51] <fish-guts> May 12 22:47:36 reefberry systemd-logind[338]: New session c3 of user git. -> machine A, passwordless login, all in order
[20:52] <fish-guts> May 12 22:52:11 reefberry sshd[2389]: Connection closed by *** port 38896 [preauth] -> first attempt on machine B, no password prompt
[20:52] <lotuspsychje> scythefwd: best to ask the specific question to channel, to get it solved
[20:52] <fish-guts> seconds attempt, password prompt, no entry in the log
[20:53] <scythefwd> ok, just installed docky, none of the docklets that are supposed to come with it are there, how /where do I correct this
[20:59] <strive> Needing to know why bootup hangs with "/dev/sda1: clean, (some numbers) files, (some numbers) blocks.
[21:00] <SalanderLives> Does anyone have a good link on how to troubleshoot screen flickering with intel graphics? Every time I start Zoom Meeting my external displays start flickering and nothing is reported by dmesg.
[21:01] <tomreyn> look at /var/log/Xorg.*.log and ~/.xsession-errors , too
[21:04] <Jordan_U> strive: Are you able to boot in recovery mode? To do so, get to the grub menu and select "Advanced options for Ubuntu" then "Recovery Mode ...". To get to the grub menu either hold shift (if you're booting via BIOS) or spam the escape key (if you're booting via UEFI) during boot, starting just after you press the power button.
[21:04] <tomreyn> SalanderLives: also try upgrading the kernel, and maybe the driver, too
[21:04] <strive> Jordan_U: Will do.
[21:05] <strive> Jordan_U: In Recovery Menu.
[21:05] <fish-guts> this is really weird *g*
[21:08] <SalanderLives> tomreyn: none of those log files exist. I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 with the latest HWE kernel and the latest from Intel driver
[21:09] <tomreyn> SalanderLives: you downloaded the driver from 01.org?
[21:10] <lotuspsychje> SalanderLives: can this help? https://askubuntu.com/questions/752743/ubuntu-16-04-skylake-6th-generation-screen-flickering
[21:10] <tomreyn> i wouldn't personally use this one, but use the ones ubuntu (and the ubuntu developers) provides
[21:19] <fish-guts> no one an idea? :(
[21:20] <lotuspsychje> fish-guts: re-ask your issue once in a while to get your issue solved
[21:21] <usil> hello, I have a problem with removing an old kernel images. https://pastebin.com/mJnK8iiu
[21:22] <fish-guts> i have a Server S, a computer A and a computer B. When I try to log onto the server using machine A supplying the hostname it works using ssh keys and / or the password. When I try to log onto the server using machine it only works using the password when I supply the IP address, but not the hostname. I tailed the server logs. on the first attempt, I get a message "possible dns spoofing detected" and see in the server log that
[21:22] <fish-guts> the connection was dropped pre-auth. On the second attemps I get prompted for the password, which is not accepted. I do not see that attempt in the server log
[21:23] <lotuspsychje> usil: what ubuntu version are you on now?
[21:23] <lotuspsychje> fish-guts: something for #ubuntu-server perhaps?
[21:24] <usil> lotuspsychje: 16.04
[21:24] <fish-guts> lotuspsychje, i think it's the client. logging on machine A works fine and it worked on machine B for passwords until I added ssh keys for machine A
[21:25] <strive>  fish-guts is machine b's public key added to the server?
[21:26] <fish-guts> not yet. I wanted to add it to allow for passwordless logon as well
[21:26] <strive> fish-guts: Append machine B's pub key to the servers authorized_keys file.
[21:28] <lotuspsychje> usil: not sure what happened in your system..did you upgrade from another version? added kernels yourself?
[21:29] <fish-guts> strive, did that still no success
[21:29] <usil> lotuspsychje: no
[21:29] <strive> fish-guts: Remove the servers key from machine B's "known_hosts" file.
[21:29] <lotuspsychje> usil: fresh install?
[21:30] <usil> lotuspsychje: 6 months ago
[21:30] <fish-guts> still the same
[21:30] <lotuspsychje> usil: can you hastebin us the output of sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade plz?
[21:30] <fish-guts> I get prompted and the password is not accepts. strangely enough it works when I use the IP address instead of the host name
[21:31] <strive> fish-guts: Check your /etc/hosts file.
[21:31] <fish-guts> hostname resolves properly though
[21:31] <fish-guts> machine A which works fine and machine B both return the value for host <hostname>
[21:31] <fish-guts> and they're on the same network
[21:35] <SirJls> 2/set weechat.bar.title.conditions "${inactive}"
[21:36] <strive> fish-guts: What does your /etc/nsswitch.conf look like?
[21:38] <fish-guts> passwd, group, shadow : compaat
[21:38] <fish-guts> hosts files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns
[21:38] <fish-guts> networks: files
[21:38] <strive> fish-guts: Ok.
[21:38] <fish-guts> protocols, services, ethers, rpc: db files, netgroup nis
[21:39] <fish-guts> *compat of course
[21:40] <strive> Hm. Check this out: https://askubuntu.com/questions/347152/why-is-the-etc-hosts-file-not-working
[21:40] <mistralol> fish-guts: just wondering do it work from another user on machine B?
[21:41] <fish-guts> mistralol, no it doesn't
[21:41] <fish-guts> don't whether this is relevant, until I set up machine A for passwordless logon it worked
[21:42] <fish-guts> ah this might be important: i did install a new SSD today and clones my OS from the old disk
[21:42] <mistralol> fish-guts: so the problem is either dns or with the server
[21:42] <mistralol> fish-guts: hum can you ssh to a different server from both machines?
[21:43] <mistralol> fish-guts: also would you have something funny in your password that may be in a different keyboard layout?
[21:43] <repozitor> there are many types of queue of process scheduling in ubuntu.
[21:43] <repozitor> which command show to us queue member?
[21:43] <repozitor> for example there are RR, FIFO, ..
[21:43] <fish-guts> mistralol, about something funny: this was the first thing I checked ;)
[21:44] <fish-guts> ssh worked on another server (passwordless login)
[21:44] <mistralol> fish-guts: so that would suggest its something server side?
[21:45] <nacc> repozitor: do you mean the kernel?
[21:45] <mistralol> fish-guts: what about trying to login to a different user on the server?
[21:45] <fish-guts> mistralol, doesn't work either
[21:45] <repozitor> nacc, yeah
[21:45] <fish-guts> plus it works when I use the IP
[21:45] <repozitor> i mean kernel queue for process scheduling
[21:45] <fish-guts> it's really weird
[21:46] <fish-guts> i'ma try connecting from a different network
[21:46] <nacc> repozitor: that's probably better asked in a kernel channel. not really ubuntu support topic or ubuntu specific
[21:47] <mistralol> repozitor: the kernel doesn't really do that for processes. It does however do it at elevator for block devices
[21:47] <repozitor> nacc, but kernel channel is dedicated to kernel developing. :)
[21:47] <repozitor> anyway, thanks buddy.
[21:47] <nacc> repozitor: no, there are discussion channels
[21:47] <nacc> repozitor: just actually search for them
[21:50] <mistralol> repozitor: this the ones your talking about? cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler
[21:50] <skinux> Trying to install Ubuntu via USB. Set USB to boot order #1, but still can't figure out how to boot with it.
[21:50] <mistralol> repozitor: thats the elevator optimizer
[21:50] <mistralol> repozitor: for disk accesses
[21:51] <fish-guts> connecting from another network also doesn't work
[21:51] <skinux> IS it required to enable legacy boot mode? I was going to, but it said it may not be able to boot Windows if I do that, and I don't want to lose Windows fully.
[21:51] <mistralol> fish-guts: so it doesn't work from machine c either?
[21:52] <repozitor> mistralol, right, that was for disk access.
[21:52] <repozitor> i need to see processes queue.
[21:52] <tomreyn> skinux: no, it's not required. don't change it if you have a pre-existing OS installation which you want to keep
[21:52] <skinux> Then any idea how I boot from USB?
[21:52] <repozitor> for example we have round robin, i need to see which process is in the rr-queu.
[21:52] <mistralol> repozitor: process queue doesn't really work that way. Its basically weighted RR
[21:52] <fish-guts> mistralol, machine B but another network
[21:53] <repozitor> you are right, weighted rr
[21:53] <skinux> I just bought an HP 15, I can get into BIOS, but it just keeps booting into Windows even though USB is connected.
[21:53] <nacc> repozitor: i think you need to enable lots of kernel options to do that
[21:54] <nacc> repozitor: as examining internal kernel structures from userspace will necessarily slow it down
[21:54] <tomreyn> skinux: some UEFIs won't boot off USB drives unless "compatibility support module" (CSM) is enabled
[21:54] <fish-guts> I used my cell as a hotspot ;)
[21:54] <mistralol> repozitor: you cannot really see the process queue on a machine you are on. Since as soon as you look at it you already know what it is (your inspection process is running ;)). After this point it is changed. Its the like the physical cat problem where it is alive and dead at the same time when the box is closed ;)
[21:54] <tomreyn> skinux: also you may need to select the usb from a boot menu
[21:54] <keiserr> hi, when doing any changes in grub, adding entry in 40_custom should be fine right? There is no other things to do afterwards? I just added a menuentry for TrueOS, but weirdly, the entry doesn't even show up on my grub menu.
[21:54] <skinux> Oh, okay. Well, I thought it would since it was an option in boot order.
[21:55] <skinux> How would I get to a boot menu?
[21:55] <mistralol> repozitor: but nacc is also correct you can enable some tracing to figure out what order things were run in. But I have no idea how to do this and it needs some debugging enabled in the kernel somehow.
[21:55] <tomreyn> that's uefi vendor specific
[21:55] <skinux> I'll give a shot to compatibility
[21:56] <repozitor> mistralol, you should note that i don't want to see queue order at time X.
[21:56] <repozitor> i need to see queues memeber.
[21:56] <nacc> keiserr: did you run `update-grub` ?
[21:56] <nacc> repozitor: all of that is offtopic here, afaict
[21:56] <repozitor> for example i need to see rr-scheduler shcedule which process.
[21:56] <nacc> repozitor: seriously, ask in a kernel channel
[21:57] <fish-guts> mistralol, what is also strange is the fact that first attempt failed with the error message "possible dns spoofing" and I see that in the server log. second attempt prompts me for the password and I do NOT see that in the server logs
[21:57] <repozitor> nacc, ok i'll stop it.
[21:57] <keiserr> damned, wasn't that grub-install once upon a time?
[21:57] <repozitor> that was my feedback to your message. :)
[21:57] <keiserr> nacc, i just ran it, it might work now, thanks. Rebooting brb
[21:57] <nacc> keiserr: no grub-install is to ... install grub
[21:57] <nacc> keiserr: update-grub is to update the grub config based upon changes to the conf files
[21:58] <mistralol> repozitor: but thats the problem..... When you look at the queue. Your process is the running process ;) So you are inspecting at time X. You cannot inspect it at any other time. Unless you use something like kgdb on a remote machine
[21:59] <mistralol> repozitor: kgdb is basically pause the kernel and dump the queue
[21:59] <mistralol> repozitor: this has to be done remotly (serial cable) since the machine will not be running anything when doing this
[22:00] <repozitor> mistralol, ok i got it
[22:00] <repozitor> last year i debugged a drive code on ubuntu.
[22:00] <mistralol> fish-guts: then your dns is being spoofed......
[22:00] <repozitor> i know what you are trying to tell me.
[22:00] <repozitor> thanks a lot
[22:00] <mistralol> repozitor: yeah what I am basically saying is. This is hard :) try #kernelnewbies if it is still around :D
[22:01] <mistralol> repozitor: its been 2 years since i did any kernel stuff
[22:03] <fish-guts> mistralol, it finally works
[22:03] <fish-guts> i restarted the ssh service, generated new keys, added the new pubkey to the server and it looks very good now :)
[22:05] <fish-guts> thanks a lot for your help and patience :)
[22:15] <scythefwd> ok, figured out my docky issue.. installing it via apt-get didnt do it right apparently, but installing it through synaptic did
[22:15] <scythefwd> I thought both were just front ends for dpkg.. am I mistaken?
[22:16] <nacc> scythefwd: what version of ubuntu? they use different flags
[22:16] <scythefwd> xenial
[22:17] <nacc> scythefwd: strange, possibly about installing recommends then?
[22:17] <scythefwd> dunno.. I thought it was strange that apt-get install docky left out the docklets and helpers.. uninstall and reinstall worked though (using synaptic)
[22:23] <YankDownUnder> scythefwd, Yes - strange - I just read through all of that and "tested"...strange...however, that being said, if someone's familar with "docky" they'd most likely choose the extra bits or know about the extra bits...ANNOYING, but not critical... :)
[22:30] <tonyt> is there a place where i can turn on auto log in?
[22:30] <scythefwd> bbl, gotta hit ctrl alt backspace
[22:30] <YankDownUnder> tonyt, What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[22:31] <tonyt> 16.04. i found it in setting. nm
[22:32] <scythefwd> ok, back.. that didnt work as intended.. but thats ok
[22:42] <JL576875> Hi I am running ubuntu 14.04. I am trying to install teamspeak 3. I have the teamspeak 3 client folder installed. However when I try and run the .sh it does not open
[22:44] <tonyt> is it possible to put a shortcut on the dekstop for the terminal and when i go to launch it, it will be in root already?
[22:44] <tomreyn> JL576875: that's not a supported  method for software installation, you'll be on your own. you probably need to make the file as exacutable if you want to continue this way.
[22:45] <tomreyn> tonyt: you could make the shortvut make it run a terminal emulator thorugh gksudo, so you'll get a password prompt, then a temrinal emulator running a root shell
[22:46] <tomreyn> JL576875: i meant to write "mark as executable", not "make as executable" there
[22:47] <JL576875> tomreyn Hmm I think i've already set it to run as a executable. All of the documentation I have found online is more or less the same on how to install TS3
[22:48] <tonyt> tomreyn trying to see if i can get it done with out have to put in a password every time
[22:49] <tomreyn> JL576875: maybe the downloaded file is corrupt. you could consider using this (also unsupported) PPA instead https://launchpad.net/~materieller/+archive/ubuntu/teamspeak3
[22:49] <scythefwd> if you do a ls -al *.sh what are the perms on the .sh file youre trying to run?
[22:50] <JL576875> tomreyn, thank you. I'll take a crack at it
[22:54] <tomreyn> tonyt: by default, sudo will cache your passphrase for 15 minutes, so you don't need to re-enter it during this period. this timrout is configured in /etc/sudoers as discussed in sudoers(5)
[22:54] <scythefwd> fairly new to using linux full time (not totally 100%, but almost)... any kb shortcuts I would find useful?  Already know alt+f1, alt+f2, ctrl+alt+backspace, ctrl+alt+f1-f9..
[22:55] <nacc> none of those seem that useful to me :)
[22:55] <tomreyn> !sysrq | scythefwd
[22:56] <scythefwd> I'm not sure I'm that dextrous to do all those at once ;)  does it all have to be caps?
[22:56] <tomreyn> also middle mouse button
[22:56] <tomreyn> scythefwd: no need for caps for REISUB
[22:56] <scythefwd> paste right tomreyn.. or left+right click.. had to use that on an old vax workstation
[22:58] <tomreyn> my parents always told me not to touch hot VAX
[23:00] <scythefwd> brutal set of commands there
[23:01] <scythefwd> is fs corruption as big an issue with ssd's and journaling fs?
[23:02] <tomreyn> more or less the same as with hdds
[23:02] <spencerb> with Unity 8 officially abandoned, are the qt dconf bindings still under development?
[23:03] <tomreyn> spencerb: i fthat's an ubuntu development question, you may want to ask it in #ubuntu-devel
[23:03] <spencerb> thanks
[23:18] <KaosC57> So, last time I tried to install Ubuntu with the latest version that supposedly used GNOME, it wasn't looking anything like my Fedora install on my Laptop. So Is Ubuntu using GNOME now or not?
[23:18] <KaosC57> I'm having a hell of a time trying to install Manjaro on my Desktop and I need a Linux Distro that can run Nvidia drivers without being a pain.
[23:18] <KaosC57> So, Ubuntu and Debian are my other 2 options.
[23:19] <Bashing-om> KaosC57: http://ubuntugnome.org/download/ .
[23:22] <tomreyn> !flavors
[23:44] <eelstrebor> i guess this latest cyberattack only targets windows users - i've been getting an enormous amount of phishing e-mail nonetheless
[23:54] <pynki> eelstrebor, the one based on the NSA SMB exploits?
[23:56] <scythefwd> eel.. as they still have the corner on the market, I'd assume most cyber attacks target windows machines disproportionately
[23:57] <pynki> at least the ones that are out for ransom. the professional ones will atrget linux systems as well if there is any information to get
[23:58] <scythefwd> true
[23:58] <scythefwd> targeted attacks os matters less. they're after something specific on the system
[23:59] <YankDownUnder> Even if MS Windows wasn't the "majority" - it is simply by design that MS Windows (any version) will be insecure. As well, simply by design, nearly anything *nix based will remain secure - by design.