[00:06] <pynki> YankDownUnder, what should "design" mean in that statement?
[00:07] <scythefwd> their design is actually getting better lol.. still poor, but getting better
[00:07] <Jordan_U> YankDownUnder: pynki: Please move such discussion elsewhere, like #ubuntu-offtopic.
[00:35] <KaosC57> Yay, Ubuntu works and doesn't stutter like Fedora did and actually installs Grub unlike Manjaro!
[00:35] <KaosC57> WTF
[00:36] <KaosC57> Well, Manjaro and Fedora can go suck it. Ubuntu works perfectly for my Desktop thank goodness.
[00:36] <KaosC57> And I get Gnome, so I can keep my Shell Extensions from my Fedora 25 install on my Laptop
[00:39] <bilb_ono> if ctrl + alt + f1 isn’t booting to a terminal, are there any other key combinationst hat might work?
[00:40] <ChaiTRex> bilb_ono: Alt + F1, Ctrl + Alt + F4
[00:40] <bilb_ono> ChaiTRex: hmm no dice. Shouldn’t the terminal be accessible from the boot menu as well?
[00:41] <KaosC57> It should, I'm not 100% certain though.
[00:41] <ChaiTRex> bilb_ono: If you enter single-user mode, yes. There's probably other ways as well.
[00:41] <DarkPsydeLord> terminal is also accesible from recovery mode
[00:42] <bilb_ono> DarkPsydeLord: how do I boot into recovery mode?
[00:44] <DarkPsydeLord> well for me is rather confusing since every single time is different like the top options are... 1 press and hold shift after you passed through the "press something to bios" sentence before you get to grub 2.- press esc when booting after the same message then pick advanced options for 'insert your linux distro here' and some people claim with pause button
[00:45] <DarkPsydeLord> just find wich one works for you
[00:45] <DarkPsydeLord> just to be clear this is a grub option
[00:45] <bilb_ono> I can get to boot
[00:45] <bilb_ono> Im there now
[00:45] <bilb_ono> all kinds of stuff except a terminal haha
[00:46] <DarkPsydeLord> shell? root?
[00:46] <bilb_ono> yeah I want a shell
[00:46] <DarkPsydeLord> must work
[00:46] <bilb_ono> how do I launch it?
[00:48] <bilb_ono> here we go, I found how to launch recovery mode
[00:49] <bilb_ono> do I want clean?, grub?, network, root?
[00:49] <bilb_ono> probably root right?
[00:49] <DarkPsydeLord> deppending on what you wanna do
[00:49] <DarkPsydeLord> usually yes
[00:49] <bilb_ono> whenever I boot, it just goes to a black screen with a flashing underscore at the top and hangs there
[00:49] <bilb_ono> I want to fix that
[00:50] <DarkPsydeLord> oh! a DE malfunction?
[00:50] <bilb_ono> whats DE?
[00:51] <DarkPsydeLord> Desktop Environment
[00:51] <bilb_ono> oh wait. I tried to chose the grub option and it says: grub-probe, error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1. heck your device.map
[00:51] <bilb_ono> yeah DE
[00:52] <bilb_ono> does that sound like why it might not be working?
[00:52] <platz> Deutsch Emporium
[00:52] <DarkPsydeLord> bilb_ono, pretty much yes now you have something new to do
[00:55] <bloop> my wireless mouse I think lost sync with the rf receiver
[00:56] <bloop> there is no sync button
[00:56] <bloop> is there an advanced way to do this?
[00:56] <xangua> Turn it off and on again?
[00:57] <DarkPsydeLord> adding new batteries?
[00:57] <xangua> By wireless you mean Bluetooth or with it's own adapter?
[00:57] <ChaiTRex> Eating it?
[00:57] <bilb_ono> what is it looking on sdb1 instead of sda1?
[00:57] <bilb_ono> isn’t sda usually the hard drive?
[00:57] <DarkPsydeLord> bilb_ono, do you have a raid configuration?
[00:57] <bloop> xangua, own adapter
[00:57] <bloop> it is a walmart optical mouse brand gearhead
[00:58] <bilb_ono> DarkPsydeLord: I don’t know what that is so I think no
[00:59] <bloop> ↳ 2.4GHz 2way RF Receiver                 	id=9	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[00:59] <bloop> so it is detected
[00:59] <bloop> but not syncing
[00:59] <DarkPsydeLord> bilb_ono, ok just tell me how this even happened since i dont have any background
[00:59] <bilb_ono> woah, so sda is my actual hard drive, sdb was my installation medium
[01:00] <bilb_ono> which it was looking for the grub on
[01:00] <bilb_ono> so I need it to look on sda right?
[01:00] <DarkPsydeLord> so you tried to install from a usb and used the same usb as a grup partition
[01:00] <bilb_ono> DarkPsydeLord: well my computer was working - home built, suddenly it stopped working
[01:00] <DarkPsydeLord> grub*
[01:00] <bilb_ono> DarkPsydeLord: well it was installed and working for a bit
[01:02] <DarkPsydeLord> well you can install grub correctly using a livecd or the media you used originally
[01:02] <bilb_ono> hmm ok
[01:02] <bilb_ono> so somehow copy the files from the usb?
[01:02] <bilb_ono> or do the entire reinstall thingy?
[01:03] <DarkPsydeLord> nope to both
[01:04] <bilb_ono> ok
[01:04] <DarkPsydeLord> you see the files needed to boot the operating system after installation got installed in a different media which is not present so it will work after you plug that in and start
[01:04] <bilb_ono> so how might I achieve this?
[01:04] <DarkPsydeLord> which ofc is not what it was intended
[01:04] <DarkPsydeLord> so theres two possible solutions
[01:05] <DarkPsydeLord> 1 is get a live cd and reinstall grub or plug the usb get into the system and reinstall grub just making sure grub will be installed to your HDD instead
[01:06] <DarkPsydeLord> both same commands
[01:06] <bilb_ono> I pick 2
[01:06] <bilb_ono> what are the commands?
[01:08] <DarkPsydeLord> !grub
[01:09] <DarkPsydeLord> use the first link will be helpful
[01:09] <bilb_ono> can the ubuntu cd be the usb drive?
[01:09] <bilb_ono> or does it have to be the actual cd?
[01:09] <DarkPsydeLord> it is indeed
[01:09] <bilb_ono> oh nice
[01:09] <bilb_ono> ok so if I boot from usb, I should see boot-repair
[01:09] <bilb_ono> right?
[01:11] <DarkPsydeLord> actually follow the terminal way
[01:11] <bilb_ono> rats I forgot how to enter recovery mode
[01:11] <DarkPsydeLord> so you make sure you "restore" the grub in the correct location
[01:14] <bilb_ono> ok here we go
[01:14] <DarkPsydeLord> wheres xangua i need to blame it on him now i need more chips
[01:15] <bilb_ono> DarkPsydeLord: so I run sudo grub-install /dev/sda1. I get grub-install: error: cannot delete ‘/boot/grub/i386-pc/gzio.mod’: read only file system
[01:16] <DarkPsydeLord> are you sure you want to install in sda1?
[01:17] <bilb_ono> DarkPsydeLord: yeah. thats where my linux is
[01:17] <bilb_ono> sda1, sda2, sda5
[01:17] <Bashing-om> bilb_ono: It is rare indeed that one will install grub to a partitiom ( sda1). The install of grub is to the device (sda) .
[01:17] <bilb_ono> oh
[01:17] <DarkPsydeLord> just install in sda
[01:17] <bilb_ono> ah I tried that too
[01:18] <bilb_ono> it gave the same error: cannot delete /boot/grub/i386-pc/gzio.mod read only file system
[01:19] <bilb_ono> do I need to mount something?
[01:20] <Bashing-om> bilb_ono: " read only file system " implies that you are booted via recovery mode , true ?
[01:21] <bilb_ono> Bashing-om: perhaps. is that what recovery means?
[01:21] <bilb_ono> does this mean I can’t do this in recovery mode?
[01:21] <DarkPsydeLord> my fault i wasn't clear enough...
[01:23] <Bashing-om> bilb_ono: Bot at all , hust that in recoery the kernel is linted read only . and you must explictly remount read/write : ' mount -o remount,rw /  ' (Note there is no space after the comma.) .
[03:22] <Bashing-om> !ping
[04:36] <Hankster> hey
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> Hankster: good morning
[04:38] <Hankster> lotuspsychje: night here, whats up
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> Hankster: this channel is only for ubuntu support questions mate
[04:41] <Hankster> lotuspsychje: yeah i had one, so how to get a live session to connect to the internet
[04:41] <Hankster> i cant get mine to
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> Hankster: depends on the chipset of your wifi
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> Hankster: some chipsets might need 3rd party software installed to work
[04:43] <Hankster> ok so how do i download the software if im not connected to wifi
[04:43] <Hankster> this laptop doesnt have an ethernet input
[04:44] <dnkek> oboobutu
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> dnkek: can we help you?
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> Hankster: depends on the chipset of your wifi...
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> Hankster: sudo lshw -C network
[04:45] <Hankster> lotuspsychje: can you explain im a bit of a rookie
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> Hankster: before we can help you, we need more details
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> !details | Hankster
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> Hankster: like the ubuntu version, the chipset of your wifi?
[04:58] <Hankster> ok so the ubuntu version is 17.04 im not sure what the chipset is but its a BROADCOM BCM43142 802.11 bgn
[04:59] <nick1234> crontab related question : I want to run a python script on my computer every morning 6 am, also change the workinbg directory before starting script so i did this : 0 6 * * * (cd /home/nick/ && python3 morning.py) but it is not working someehow?
[04:59] <viral_mutant> If a package marks Conflict with another package, ‘dpkg -i’ fails with error. But ‘apt-get install’ says it will replace the installed package with the other one
[04:59] <viral_mutant> Is there an apt-get flag to make it behave the dpkg way ?
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> Hankster: the broadcom driver is located on the liveusb's dir, you can try to install think somewhere in /pool
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> viral_mutant: explain us the whole story mate..added ppa's? ubuntu version? package its about?
[05:03] <Hankster> lotuspsychje: can you walk me through what to do im still very new at this
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> Hankster: browse your liveusb, and look for the .deb of broadcom driver to install
[05:06] <viral_mutant> lotuspsrychje: I am creating a deb package for Ubuntu 16.04 onwards, which is from openstack code forked from community. I need to make sure that package from Ubuntu repo and my package are not installed together so I have ‘Conflicts’ flag in my package.
[05:07] <viral_mutant> Now the problem is that only ‘dpkg -i’ seems to honour this flag but ‘apt-get install’ proposes to replace the already installed ones
[05:07] <viral_mutant> I am thinking if someone uses —assume-yes flag with apt-get, they will not get to know what happened
[08:20] <tanay> what is new swap-partition in ubuntu 17.04?
[08:31] <mistralol> how can i remove the nvidia-352 package when th pre uninstall script fails with the error "Failed to get unit file state for var-lib-snapd-lib-gl.mount: No such file or directory" ?
[08:32] <mistralol> it also seems to want to update it every apt-get dist-upgrade which also fails
[08:38] <Dirkos> I have a problem with wifi on my device. When placing my device a little further away from my modem it does not see any signals anymore. Even though there actually a pretty ok signal. Also all my other devices work fine. Mobile phones, laptops, soundbar, subwoofer which are also all connected to the same wifi signal. Where should i start looking since im a bit lost now. Just placed the device near the modem and there actually is a sig
[08:38] <sebsebseb> hi
[08:39] <Dirkos> im using the bcmwl-kernel-source as well since its a broadcom card
[08:47] <latigidigital> Dirkos: try using broadcom-wl
[08:47] <Dirkos> latigidigital: or broadcom-sta right?
[08:49] <latigidigital> Dirkos: should be equivalent, yes
[08:50] <Dirkos> thanks will try
[09:42] <CoderEurope> Wanna talk #tech Ubuntu ? #ubuntu-offtopic is a decent place :D
[09:42] <CoderEurope> !offtopic
[09:48] <stan_man_can> My desktop runs osx but i'd like to use timemachine to backup to my ubuntu server, any good links on getting that going?
[09:48] <stan_man_can> there's a few blog posts with some instructions around but most of them are a few years old now
[09:53] <pmurias> my wifi is disconnecting after a while :(
[09:53] <pmurias>  Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8821AE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
[09:54] <pmurias> I'm running ubuntu 17.04
[09:54] <pmurias> what should I do?
[10:03] <pmurias> ô
[10:03] <pmurias> sorry
[10:07] <Jack_Sparrow__> Hey, np
[10:07] <Jack_Sparrow__> Someone will come along that knows that hardware
[10:13] <ikonia> pmurias: have a look in the syslog to see why it's disconnecting, is the card dropping, card resetting, or is the singal dropping
[10:16] <Jack_Sparrow__> pmurias, Read this, about half way down.  https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=218991
[10:16] <Jack_Sparrow__> Morning ikonia
[10:17] <ikonia> hello
[10:18] <Jack_Sparrow__> This seems to help many of the realtec people, echo "options rtl8821ae fwlps=N" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8821ae.conf
[10:21] <pmurias> Jack_Sparrow__: I'll try it the next time to problem occures
[10:22] <Kanov> Hi. in dmesg, it was reported that a USB drive was not unmounted properly and fsck needed to be ran, so i ran fsck and it's saying there is a dirty bit. should i remove it?
[10:22] <Kanov> will some data be lost if i remove it?
[10:24] <Kanov> can someone help please
[10:24] <Jack_Sparrow__> I would remove it and you could lose data, but probably OK. Not many options, If data is critical, try to clone it first
[10:25] <Kanov> Jack_Sparrow__: so i removed it and i merely received "/dev/sdb1: 17648 files, 1685126/1955331 clusters"
[10:25] <Kanov> in google, people seem to get "leaving filesystem unchanged" more, while i got this
[10:26] <Kanov> Jack_Sparrow__: was some data lost?
[10:26] <Jack_Sparrow__> No data issuses with one bit
[10:27] <Kanov> was that mean?
[10:27] <Kanov> what does that mean*
[10:27] <Jack_Sparrow__> N way to tell if you lost anything.
[10:27] <Jack_Sparrow__> No
[10:27] <Jack_Sparrow__> Go look or run it
[11:43] <Netek> I have a dedicated server and looking to install kubuntu to use as a remote desktop.  I have set everything up and I am managing to connect via x2go but the screen is very choppy.  Any advice on what I can check to sort this out?
[11:43] <alexa> Guys, I'm trying to remove gnome and now I get an error: "E: Unable to locate package apt-get
[11:43] <alexa>  E: Unable to locate package remove
[11:43] <alexa> "
[11:44] <alexa> That has arised when I removed gdm
[11:44] <alexa> Before that I've installed lightdm
[11:45] <oerheks> Adding any desktop is no problem, removing surely gives a dependecie-hell
[11:46] <oerheks> i would reinstall.
[11:47] <alexa> Reinstall the system? Not an option.
[11:47] <alexa> :(
[11:48] <pynki> not an option is not an option here. you might spend hours figuring out whats wrong and the next days fixing it. reinstall will be much faster
[11:49] <oerheks> When ubuntu finally moves to snap-packages only, this issue will be over
[11:49] <alexa> :D
[11:51] <alexa> Ok. I'll reinstall the system then. I wish I was a computer savvy guy so I could fix the problems when they appear without having to reinstall the whole system. Even though the reinstallation lasts no more than 15 minutes on my PC, backup is such a pain and it lasts :(
[11:51] <alexa> Is snap used on 16.10?
[11:51] <schahermacher> i have a freezing ubuntu 17 machine, i was told it was probably an issue with a java but even after uninstall of it the machine freeze occasionally, where shouls i look at logs to see the particular issue that cause the system crash?
[11:51] <oerheks> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS introduced “Snap” packages
[11:51] <schahermacher> should/should
[11:52] <oerheks> schahermacher, freezing without return to normal?
[11:52] <alexa> oerheks, how many packages in current repositories are snap?
[11:52] <schahermacher> yes
[11:52] <schahermacher> oerheks
[11:53] <alexa> Btw, I notice hexchat that I've installed 5 minutes ago is snap. It's located in ~/snap/hexchat
[11:53] <Ben64> Netek: my advice is to not do that
[11:53] <oerheks> schahermacher, syslog could give a clue, i think
[11:53] <Netek> Ben64?
[11:54] <Ben64> Netek: don't install kubuntu on a server
[11:54] <Netek> Ben64 for a personal project I require a remote desktop machine.  What would you recommend?
[11:54] <schahermacher> what time perimeter before the crash should i include in the analysis?
[11:54] <schahermacher> oerheks
[11:54] <Ben64> Netek: to do what
[11:55] <Netek> a remote office desktop.  Running office applications, emails, etc.  There will be 5 users accessing this desktop from 3 different countries
[11:56] <oerheks> alexa, i don't know. 'snap find' will give a short list, you will need to add a letter or combination to seek deeper
[11:57] <Ben64> Netek: i'd suggest a basic window manager, but also it doesn't seem like a great idea in general
[11:57] <oerheks> schahermacher, if your system freezes, the last few entries will do, after boot there will be a new syslog created
[11:59] <schahermacher> oerheks https://paste.debian.net/932272/
[11:59] <pynki> Netek, they need a computer to access the remote server - so they can run the applications on their machine. you can provide the storage, etc for them. a remote desktop will always give you fun with lags etc
[12:00] <Netek> pynki good point,
[12:00] <Netek> I will see what I do.  I think your idea is better :)
[12:03] <oerheks> schahermacher, nothing to see there, maybe dmesg shows something ?
[12:06] <schahermacher> oerheks, here is kernel.log https://paste.debian.net/932273/
[12:10] <oerheks> schahermacher, nothing to see there, sorry :-(
[12:19] <raphinesse> Hi everyone!
[12:19] <raphinesse> Since the update to 17.04 I cannot connect to my WiFi anymore. NetworkManager keeps trying and failing.
[12:19] <raphinesse> Connection under Windows on the same machine works just fine.
[12:19] <raphinesse> The NM log has this warning, amongst others:
[12:19] <raphinesse> Activation: (wifi) association took too long, failing activation
[12:19] <raphinesse> WiFi uses WPA2 PSK, No MAC filters configured
[12:23] <raphinesse> Sorry for flooding, I don't do IRC from my phone very often :(
[12:24] <cnnx> hello
[12:25] <cnnx> i cant get my hp printer to print under linux, it detects it and the test page says "rendering complete" but nothing comes out
[12:25] <cnnx> why
[12:25] <cfhowlett> out of ink?
[12:25] <cnnx> no
[12:25] <cnnx> works with windows10
[12:29] <raphinesse> Did my previous messages get filtered out because of flooding?
[12:31] <rud0lf> if you saw 'cannot send to channel' it was
[12:35] <raphinesse> thanks rud0lf
[12:35] <raphinesse> Then here we go again
[12:35] <raphinesse> Since the update to 17.04 I cannot connect to my WiFi anymore. NetworkManager keeps trying and failing. Connection under Windows on the same machine works just fine.
[12:36] <pynki> raphinesse, if you have multi line things to paste: paste them somewhere in a patebin kinda thing and give us the link jere
[12:36] <raphinesse> The NM log has this warning, amongst others: "Activation: (wifi) association took too long, failing activation".
[12:36] <raphinesse> It's just a longer problem description
[12:36] <raphinesse> The WiFi uses WPA2 PSK, no MAC filters configured
[12:36] <raphinesse> Here's the output of inxi -Fxxrzc0: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24561642/
[12:37] <raphinesse> Any ideas on how to investigate further?
[12:39] <pynki> raphinesse, the internet suggest turning of 802.11n on your router
[12:40] <rcmainak> I plugged-in a sony HD-sp1 external hard disk & Ubuntu can't recognize it. I can't seem to find any solution by just googling it. Can anyone help me?
[12:40] <compdoc> raphinesse, what is you were to boot the ubuntu desktop dvd without installing. see if sound works when the desktop loads?
[12:40] <compdoc> maybe you can views which drivers are loading
[12:40] <compdoc> view
[12:41] <pynki> rcmainak, is it a usb drive? does 'lsusb' show it if it is one?
[12:43] <raphinesse> pynki that is the one advice I found, but out is not an option. And it did work with 16.10 before
[12:43] <jushur> raphinesse: do you have firmware-ralink installed?
[12:44] <pynki> raphinesse, mac adress randomization, perhaps. nm seems to do funny stuff since 17.04
[12:44] <raphinesse> jushur: I did not do anything to that effect. Should I?
[12:44] <compdoc> I dont suppose anyone has tried running the widows program Xshell in Wine on ubuntu?
[12:44] <rcmainak> pynki, It's a external hard drive, I'm connecting it use USB. `lsusb` does shows something that has sony on it & I don't have any sony device connected to my computer so, I think `lsusb` does sow it
[12:44] <rcmainak> *show
[12:45] <pynki> rcmainak, plug it in, 'lsusb', unplug it, 'lsusb' - to make sure the device it was you think it is ;)
[12:46] <rcmainak> hehe, that's easiest way to found out lol. thank you for that
[12:46] <raphinesse> pynki, I tried setting a different Mac for the connection, since I thought the router might still associate the actual Mac with the windows connection, but to no effect
[12:46] <rcmainak> pynki, yes! it's what I think it's
[12:47] <pynki> rcmainak, then run 'sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog' while plugging it in again and paste thoutput somewhere so we can see what happens. here for example: http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[12:47] <rcmainak> roger that
[12:47] <pynki> raphinesse, the Nm randomizes the mac - not you :P
[12:48] <pynki> that was causing some problewms with some wifi cards
[12:48] <raphinesse> pynki, well then we both did ;)
[12:48] <raphinesse> pynki, can I disable that?
[12:49] <raphinesse> pynki, since I also have to connect to Mac filtered networks
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:50] <rcmainak> pynki, here you go - > http://paste.ubuntu.com/24567188/
[12:51] <pynki> raphinesse, yes, google will help
[12:53] <raphinesse> thanks, I'll try that then and report back with the results
[12:57] <Kyoku> who in their right mind decided on Gnome? huh?  because KDE Plasma kicks it's ass
[12:57] <rcmainak> Kyoku, you can still use KDE Plasma I guess or are they turning it into windows
[12:58] <cfhowlett> Kyoku, no profanity please.  also chitchat in #ubuntu-offtopic as this is the support channel.
[12:58] <oerheks> Kyoku, SABDFL
[12:58] <cfhowlett> !flavors <<< in fact, you can use any number of *buntus
[12:58] <fpbot> The command ‘!flavors’ isn’t available. Available commands for prefix ‘!’ are: help info echo tell ctell get set reset enable disable spec+ spec- repo+ repo- visit join leave quote show-opts history+ history- set-history-lines erase-opts shortcut+ shortcut- show-history feed+ feed- where lwhere gwhere lwhere+ lwhere- gwhere+ gwhere- puppet-start puppet-end puppet-say puppet-echo
[12:58] <oerheks> !flavor
[12:58] <fpbot> The command ‘!flavor’ isn’t available. Available commands for prefix ‘!’ are: help info echo tell ctell get set reset enable disable spec+ spec- repo+ repo- visit join leave quote show-opts history+ history- set-history-lines erase-opts shortcut+ shortcut- show-history feed+ feed- where lwhere gwhere lwhere+ lwhere- gwhere+ gwhere- puppet-start puppet-end puppet-say puppet-echo
[12:59] <oerheks> of
[12:59] <oerheks> fpbot, please quit
[12:59] <rcmainak> pynki, you still around? :(
[13:00] <pynki> rcmainak, i am. looks fine to me. do you have gparted installed? is the drive formatted?
[13:00] <rcmainak> it's one of my friends. It's in NTFS format & gparted can't detect it either
[13:03] <raphinesse> pynki, disabling mac randomization did not help
[13:04] <LankanGuy> ello, can I ask you a question regards iptables?
[13:04] <cfhowlett> ask, LankanGuy
[13:04] <oerheks> raphinesse, with these connection issues, did you try to reset your router? sometimes it helps with unclear issues
[13:04] <pynki> !ask | LankanGuy
[13:04] <fpbot> The command ‘!ask’ isn’t available. Available commands for prefix ‘!’ are: help info echo tell ctell get set reset enable disable spec+ spec- repo+ repo- visit join leave quote show-opts history+ history- set-history-lines erase-opts shortcut+ shortcut- show-history feed+ feed- where lwhere gwhere lwhere+ lwhere- gwhere+ gwhere- puppet-start puppet-end puppet-say puppet-echo
[13:04] <oerheks> !ops | fpbot is messing up
[13:04] <fpbot> The command ‘!ops’ isn’t available. Available commands for prefix ‘!’ are: help info echo tell ctell get set reset enable disable spec+ spec- repo+ repo- visit join leave quote show-opts history+ history- set-history-lines erase-opts shortcut+ shortcut- show-history feed+ feed- where lwhere gwhere lwhere+ lwhere- gwhere+ gwhere- puppet-start puppet-end puppet-say puppet-echo
[13:05] <raphinesse> oerheks, I did. To no effect
[13:05] <oerheks> raphinesse, oke, it was worth the try
[13:05] <LankanGuy> well, when I get the ip from, $(wget -q -O - http://ipecho.net/plain) and then add to iptables, as follows; iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth0 ! -d $IP -j DROP
[13:05] <LankanGuy> my connection get blocked
[13:05] <LankanGuy> not sure what im doing wrong.
[13:06] <oerheks> LankanGuy, are you sure it is eth0 ?  interfacenaming has changes recently
[13:06] <LankanGuy> oerheks, how do I find that out?
[13:06] <oerheks> "ifconfig" would show the current interface names
[13:07] <LankanGuy> way to find out?:)
[13:07] <oerheks> mine are enp2s0 and enp2s1
[13:08] <LankanGuy> oerheks, can I find it through ip addr show ?
[13:08] <oerheks> LankanGuy, no,  "ifconfig" would show the current interface names
[13:09] <LankanGuy> its eth0
[13:09] <LankanGuy> i got eth1, lo, tun0 and wlan0
[13:10] <LankanGuy> oops
[13:10] <LankanGuy> i got eth0, lo, tun0 and wlan0
[13:10] <oerheks> eth1 <> eth0 ??
[13:10] <LankanGuy> sorry eth0 what i got, it was typo :)
[13:10] <leftyfb> LankanGuy: you're trying to block outbound traffic to another ip?
[13:11] <oerheks> good, then i have no clue, i have little experience with iptables
[13:11] <LankanGuy> im try to block outbound only go through vpn dns
[13:11] <leftyfb> sorry, looks like you're trying to block all outbound traffic except for 1 source ip
[13:11] <LankanGuy> it used to work before, now its not working
[13:12] <LankanGuy> what im trying to do is, enable vpn, then get the ip, and block traffic which is not going through that ip
[13:13] <leftyfb> I don't think that makes a lot of sense actually
[13:13] <leftyfb> traffic doesn't originate from your public ip through your machine
[13:14] <leftyfb> you probably want your local ip
[13:14] <LankanGuy> got the idea from this https://www.reddit.com/r/VPN/comments/2805zd/pia_iptables_killswitch_for_pia_and_other_vpns/
[13:15] <leftyfb> oh right, -d, not -s
[13:16] <LankanGuy> it used to work before suddently not working, something to do with my isp caused the issue i think
[13:16] <leftyfb> i'm curious if while connected to your vpn, it's getting your vpn gateway ip and blocking that, not your actual i
[13:17] <TBotNik> All: Got a few minutes this AM before getting to outside chores here at the farm on such a lovely AM here in Greenville, TX.  Working on my ThunderBird email address ripping script.  Having problems with an array assign.  Write up at: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5710031#post5710031. All help appreciated!
[13:17] <leftyfb> LankanGuy: get your ip from ipchicken.com without being connected to vpn, plug that into $IP instead of grabbing it from ipecho.com
[13:17] <leftyfb> then connect to vpn and try it
[13:17] <LankanGuy> okey let me try that
[13:17] <skinux> Do I need a special install to do an unattended installation? I'd like to set installation to happen and then go to work, and have Ubuntu installed when I get back 4 hours later.
[13:18] <TBotNik> Join me on the #bash channel for discussion on this
[13:18] <oerheks> TBotNik, that old 2016 issue is suddenly hot?
[13:19] <leftyfb> oerheks: " Today, 08:11 AM"
[13:19] <TBotNik> oerheks: ??
[13:19] <leftyfb> oerheks: you're looking when he registered
[13:19] <oerheks> oh, my bad, i read the register date
[13:19] <leftyfb> skinux: yes, preseed, probably be better off with kickstart
[13:19] <TBotNik> oerheks: LOL!
[13:20] <skinux> KickStart is a specific ISO?
[13:20] <LankanGuy> leftyfb, in iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth0 ! -d $IP -j DROP, $IP is the ip before going through the VPN, right?
[13:20] <leftyfb> skinux: no, it's a file of installation answers and actions. You pass it to the kernel parameters and store it either locally on your installation media or on a web server
[13:21] <leftyfb> LankanGuy: yes
[13:21] <skinux> So, I add it to the burn image along side the ISO?
[13:22] <leftyfb> skinux: start with preseed to get an idea of what sorts of things it does. preseed it pretty limited. kickstart can do way more including running shell commands/scripts as well as preseed calls
[13:22] <leftyfb> skinux: yup, or build a pxe server for your network. I feel that is a lot easier and quicker for troubleshooting while you build your script
[13:22] <skinux> I just want a standard installation, but I want it to do it while I'm at work.
[13:23] <leftyfb> skinux: yup, it'll do what you need
[13:23] <leftyfb> skinux: it's not something you'll have working today
[13:24] <leftyfb> skinux: it's going to take time to learn and build
[13:24] <leftyfb> lots of trial and error
[13:24] <skinux> Yeah, this is too complicated, I'll just start the installation and do whatever finishing I have to do after work.
[13:25] <LankanGuy> leftyfb, when I add that , my ip appear in iptables as DROP       all  --  anywhere            !203-214-115-221.dyn.iinet.net.au, not 203-214-115-221, is that cause issues?
[13:25] <leftyfb> if it's just for 1 installation, then yeah, not worth it. But if it's something you want to automate and simplify going forward, it'll be worth looking into
[13:25] <leftyfb> LankanGuy: pretty sure that is how that script works
[13:26] <LankanGuy> leftyfb, still blocking :(
[13:26] <leftyfb> LankanGuy: get the ip before connecting, add it to the script like you did, connect to VPN , then run the script
[13:26] <leftyfb> LankanGuy: btw, this really shouldn't have anything to do with your ISP or any changes they could have made
[13:26] <LankanGuy> leftyfb, whats what I did
[13:27] <LankanGuy> thats what I did, still not working
[13:27] <leftyfb> LankanGuy: at the moment, when you connect to VPN but don't run the script, can you connect out?
[13:27] <LankanGuy> yes
[13:28] <leftyfb> LankanGuy: can you post your entire script to pastebin.com?
[13:28] <LankanGuy> ok
[13:30] <leftyfb> LankanGuy: are you connected to wireless at all?
[13:33] <LankanGuy> leftyfb, no wired only, https://pastebin.com/A2Neg5pE
[13:34] <LankanGuy> line 26, i manually add the ip addres before vpn
[13:34] <LankanGuy> plus i check the connection via pinging google.com
[13:35] <leftyfb> ah, right
[13:35] <leftyfb> LankanGuy: remove the !
[13:36] <LankanGuy> ah okie
[13:37] <LankanGuy> well without !, it wouldnt work at all
[13:38] <leftyfb> did you try it?
[13:38] <LankanGuy> it works when I remove !, then it works either if vpn running or not
[13:39] <leftyfb> you should be blocked without vpn
[13:39] <LankanGuy> nop vpn turn off, and it wasnt blocked i can ping google
[13:40] <LankanGuy> https://pastebin.com/iGBx47n4
[13:41] <leftyfb> not sure then, to be honest i'm not even sure how this works. I don't think traffic originating from your pc is ever destined for your public ip
[13:45] <LankanGuy> thanks for trying, one thing I noticed, when I try to ping google.com, it resolved the ip for google.com, should that be blocked as well
[13:45] <LankanGuy> PING google.com (216.58.199.46) 56(84) bytes of data.
[13:45] <leftyfb> oh, I see .... maybe it's assuming the public ip that shows up when connected to vpn is the dns. That would make sense blocking dns traffic, but then I think it would only allow resolution, but not the rest of the traffic
[13:46] <leftyfb> again, maybe it's assuming the vpn public ip is the gateway ... which MIGHT be true depending on the vpn you're using, but it's a poor assumption
[13:47] <LankanGuy> i know its not perfect, but I dont get it why it suddenty stop working :(
[13:48] <leftyfb> LankanGuy: connect to the vpn, get the public ip (I'm thinking it shouldn't match your isp's ip), then look at your default route using "route -n"
[13:48] <leftyfb> if it's going to work with the original script, those 2 should match
[13:49] <erto> hello, can anyone follow me to install ubuntu? i want dual boot, with uefi and i do not want to read tons of guide to install it :/
[13:50] <cfhowlett> erto, nope.  use the written tutorials for best results.
[13:51] <erto> there is not a specific one for my msi bios version
[13:51] <leftyfb> you don't need one specific to your msi bios version
[13:51] <leftyfb> erto: https://www.tecmint.com/install-ubuntu-16-04-alongside-with-windows-10-or-8-in-dual-boot/
[13:52] <cfhowlett> there is not a specific tutorial for the vast majority of bios verisons, erto
[13:53] <leftyfb> there's no reason a tutorial needs to be tied to a specific bios version
[13:53] <erto> ok but most of those guides suppose that people knows a lot of things about uefi, i don't even know what i have
[13:54] <leftyfb> erto: follow the tutorial I gave you
[13:54] <LankanGuy> leftyfb, https://pastebin.com/7Rbgw6y4
[13:55] <leftyfb> erto: if you need to disable secure boot, then yes, you'll need to look through your bios settings to find the setting. Nobody here is going to know your bios menu's
[13:55] <LankanGuy> leftyfb, whats when vpn is on
[13:55] <erto> is windows powershell the same of command prompt?
[13:55] <nullbyte_> who installs hashcat
[13:55] <erto> i don't know what is secure boot
[13:55] <leftyfb> erto: have someone else install ubuntu for you
[13:56] <Bitcoiner69> E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/teward/swig3.0/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[13:56] <Bitcoiner69> how to fix?
[13:56] <erto> leftyfb that's why i was looking for help here
[13:56] <cfhowlett> erto, look for your local ubuntu or linux user group, go to a meeting and ask for 1:1 help
[13:58] <leftyfb> Bitcoiner69: edit the ppa in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/<file for teward ppa) and change xenial to trusty
[14:00] <erto> so i guess i have to give up to have ubuntu. i used to install it in old bios and win xp/vista/7 so easily but now i can't with this uefi, windows 10 and new secure boot systems
[14:00] <leftyfb> LankanGuy: looks like those 109.201.154. ip's might be for your VPN. Those are the probably ip's that you need to put into your script
[14:01] <oerheks> Bitcoiner69, it has no candidate for xenial https://launchpad.net/~teward/+archive/ubuntu/swig3.0
[14:02] <LankanGuy> leftyfb, so something like this, iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth0 ! -d 109.201.154.0/16 -j DROP
[14:03] <EriC^^> erto: what's the problem i know uefi
[14:03] <EriC^^> ?
[14:03] <oerheks> Bitcoiner69, the original repo gives 3.0.8 http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/swig
[14:03] <ghostbroker> i am trying to 'apt get upgrade' and getting an unmet dependency issue: libcjs0e : Conflicts: libcjs0 but 3.2.0-3 is to be installed
[14:03] <ghostbroker> i was going to just uninstall it and try it, but i think it is from cinnamon, my current DE, so not sure what to do from here
[14:04] <ghostbroker> any help?
[14:05] <erto> EriC^^: i have a new desktop, first i blindly installed for the first time windows 10 pro, then as i used to do, i reduced win partition, then tried to install ubuntu 16.04 but after the installation there was no grub and only win started
[14:06] <erto> EriC^^: then i removed everything, installed windows 10 home and i am here
[14:06] <ducasse> ghostbroker: which ubuntu is this?
[14:06] <EriC^^> erto: ok, install ubuntu again
[14:06] <EriC^^> erto: which kind of desktop is it?
[14:06] <EriC^^> hp acer etc
[14:07] <Jazzy_J> sounds like safe boot was not disabled in the bios.
[14:07] <erto> EriC^^: at the begin of the bios there are many options about usb with uefi and usb without uefi.. i've chosen the bootload with usb without uefi and my windows is now "legacy" mode bios
[14:07] <ghostbroker> ducasse: it is kubuntu 17.04. i recently upgraded to 17.04 so i think that may be related
[14:08] <erto> EriC^^: it's a built desktop, the motherboard is b350m mortar msi
[14:08] <EriC^^> erto: oh ok, install ubuntu in legacy mode then
[14:08] <Jazzy_J> if you have installed in uefi, you probably have to manually add the uefi boot to the bios.
[14:08] <erto> EriC^^: to install in legacy mode i have to do the same thing of usb bootload?
[14:08] <ducasse> ghostbroker: can you pastebin 'apt policy libcjs0e'?
[14:08] <EriC^^> erto: yes boot the usb without uefi
[14:08] <erto> EriC^^: so again i have to put as first the usb without the uefi flag and boot the ubuntu
[14:09] <EriC^^> erto: yes
[14:09] <erto> EriC^^: ok so i guess i'll give i try, i hate windows it burns resources
[14:09] <ghostbroker> ducasse: https://pastebin.com/uMDkxmQn
[14:10] <erto> thanks EriC^^ and Jazzy_J, i'll try to install again ubuntu, then i'll come back here. i hope to find you online ^^
[14:11] <ducasse> ghostbroker: that is a package from yakkety, it no longer exists in zesty.
[14:11] <GrandPa-G> I am trying to set up a simple solution to use ubuntu as a fax machine (not a server). I just want to send and receive faxes. I have gotten efax-gtx to work but it will only send pdf file and those seem to look very bad. Any suggestions?
[14:11] <ghostbroker> ducasse: should i remove it and upgrade? will that fix my issue?
[14:13] <ducasse> ghostbroker: try removing it and see what else it wants to remove, if anything.
[14:13] <EriC^^> erto: np, goodluck
[14:14] <oerheks> !eolupgrade
[14:14] <fpbot> The command ‘!eolupgrade’ isn’t available. Available commands for prefix ‘!’ are: help info echo tell ctell get set reset enable disable spec+ spec- repo+ repo- visit join leave quote show-opts history+ history- set-history-lines erase-opts shortcut+ shortcut- show-history feed+ feed- where lwhere gwhere lwhere+ lwhere- gwhere+ gwhere- puppet-start puppet-end puppet-say puppet-echo
[14:14] <ghostbroker> ducasse: https://pastebin.com/5XC65cKb
[14:14] <oerheks> !ops | fpbot is still here
[14:14] <fpbot> The command ‘!ops’ isn’t available. Available commands for prefix ‘!’ are: help info echo tell ctell get set reset enable disable spec+ spec- repo+ repo- visit join leave quote show-opts history+ history- set-history-lines erase-opts shortcut+ shortcut- show-history feed+ feed- where lwhere gwhere lwhere+ lwhere- gwhere+ gwhere- puppet-start puppet-end puppet-say puppet-echo
[14:16] <LankanGuy> leftyfb, if you here I got a question, its one of the ip from route -n, i need to use, now im confued
[14:16] <ducasse> ghostbroker: let me guess - you installed cinnamon from a ppa?
[14:17] <ghostbroker> ducasse: i believe so. i dont remember
[14:18] <ducasse> ghostbroker: it looks very much like you did. pastebin output of 'apt policy cinnamon-control-center'
[14:19] <ghostbroker> ducasse: https://pastebin.com/qDUZberh
[14:20] <docmur> Hey Guys, how do I allow apt through UFW?   I've tried allowing 53, 80 and 443 but it's still blocking it
[14:21] <ducasse> ghostbroker: nope, that's a repo package. odd. what were you trying to install in the first place?
[14:22] <ghostbroker> ducasse: i was just doing an apt update and apt upgrade. i wasn't trying to install a specific package
[14:24] <ducasse> ghostbroker: can you do a '(sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade) | pastebinit'?
[14:25] <docmur> Actually, it seems to be working now :S, not sure why, think I just had to reboot
[14:30] <ArchaicLord_> wow what a palaver that was to get in here!!
[14:30] <ArchaicLord_> Hi all, I ran a ubuntu server 16.04 before moving house. I was hoping after moving I would just need to change the network address but seems when I boot the machine it goes straight to recovery.
[14:31] <ghostbroker> ducasse: https://pastebin.com/mZU4bhTS
[14:31] <ikonia> ArchaicLord_: look in the logs at why
[14:31] <ikonia> ArchaicLord_: remove the boot splash and look at why
[14:31] <ArchaicLord_> the os is on a usb.. the server has 4 drives configured in raid1-0    if i reinstal the os   would I need to trash the raid and start again?
[14:32] <ikonia> ArchaicLord_: not if you keep the raid config file
[14:33] <ioria> ghostbroker, The following packages have been kept back:   cjs , probably because you manully install it from here https://launchpad.net/~embrosyn/+archive/ubuntu/cinnamon/+sourcepub/7124106/+listing-archive-extra ?
[14:34] <ducasse> ghostbroker: 'apt policy cjs'
[14:35] <ghostbroker> ducasse: https://pastebin.com/HJ9tYSAG
[14:36] <ioria> yes
[14:37] <ducasse> ghostbroker: did you install these packages under 16.10 or 17.04?
[14:38] <ghostbroker> ducasse: 16.10
[14:38] <ioria> ghostbroker, you have 3.2.0-1~yakkety0  , zesty version is 3.2.0-3 and yakkety official version is 3.0.1-3build2
[14:39] <ducasse> ghostbroker: see if 'sudo apt upgrade cjs' handles it
[14:39] <ghostbroker> ducasse: negative -- same error
[14:41] <ducasse> ghostbroker: you could remove cjs, and with that cinnamon, then reinstall cinnamon afterwards. that should work. do you foresee a problem with that, ioria?
[14:41] <ioria> ducasse, ah,  cinnamon .... no idea, the removal might break it
[14:42] <ducasse> ioria: yes, it will, but he should be able to reinstall it afterwards.
[14:42] <ghostbroker> ioria,ducasse: i think i will switch to default environment and try removing it, then reinstall it
[14:42] <ioria> ducasse, yes, sounds rational
[14:42] <ducasse> ghostbroker: i think that is your best option.
[14:42] <ghostbroker> ioria,ducasse: thanks for all the help. i appreciate it
[14:43] <ducasse> ghostbroker: yw :)
[14:43] <ioria> ghostbroker, it's ok gl
[15:00] <ghostbroker> ioria,ducasse: turned out okay. i thought i'd lose my desktop settings but its all good. thanks again!
[15:03] <raphinesse> I still have the issue of not being able to connect to my WiFi after upgrading to 17.04. Here's the output of inxi -Fxxrzc0: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24561642/
[15:04] <ducasse> ghostbroker: great, glad to hear that! your desktop settings are all stored under your homedir and is unaffected by package removal, btw.
[15:04] <raphinesse> Tried router reset, disabling 802.11n on the router, disabling mac randomization in NM
[15:04] <raphinesse> Connection from windows on same machine works
[15:05] <raphinesse> I'm at a loss! What can I do to make this work?
[15:07] <oerheks> raphinesse, is fastboot enabled in windows 10? that could prevent the use of wifi/usb too
[15:07] <oerheks> fastboot, not secureboot.
[15:08] <oerheks> or 2nd thing int he bios,  Intel Smart Response Technology (SRT) , see #2 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#General_principles
[15:12] <raphinesse> Phone lost connection. -_- Did I miss anything
[15:13] <raphinesse> So again: No fastboot, Win7, old school BIOS
[15:13] <raphinesse> oerheks see above.
[15:19] <ghostbroker> ducasse: oh, didn't know that. thanks -- good to know!
[15:20] <ledeni> raphinesse, what de you using
[15:20] <ducasse> ghostbroker: this is true for most programs. config files live in home, unless they are for system services etc.
[15:21] <raphinesse> ledeni unity
[15:22] <pavlos> raphinesse: this may help ...  https://askubuntu.com/questions/337775/how-do-i-get-a-rt2800usb-wireless-device-working
[15:26] <raphinesse> pavlos problem seems different, adapter worked fine on 16.10, but I'll take a closer look later. Thanks for the link
[15:31] <LufyCZ> Hi, Im trying to install build-essential, but pastebin
[15:31] <LufyCZ> lol, wrong keyboard
[15:31] <blunderful> Hi, I have an iMac from 2009 (with built in Radeon HD 4670) that I'm trying to install Ubuntu 16.04 on. It seems to install fine but when it boots, I get four blurry screens on one. Tried sudo apt-get updating/upgrading and purging fglrx, but still the same thing. Any suggestions?
[15:32] <ledeni> raphinesse,you see with nm networks around you or?
[15:33] <LufyCZ> Hi, Im trying to install build-essential, but it returns this: pastebin.com/tddJNHyH . What should I do ? Thanks
[15:33] <ikonia> LufyCZ: do you have any PPA's or third party repos enabled
[15:33] <ikonia> or have you installed any third party packages
[15:34] <LufyCZ> ikonia: Just the Kodi one
[15:34] <ikonia> build-essential is a meta package that contains only packages that are in the main ubuntu repo, so if it can't find them, it's because you've either deleted the main repo config, or you've replaced them with alternative ones from other repos
[15:34] <ikonia> LufyCZ: apt-get install g++
[15:34] <LufyCZ> ikonia: Doesnt work
[15:34] <ikonia> see why it can't install it
[15:35] <ikonia> "doesn't work" doesn't help anyone does it, thats like me saying "fix it"
[15:35] <ikonia> give details
[15:35] <LufyCZ> ikonia: The same thing, but: g++ : Depends: g++-5 (>= 5.3.1-3) but it is not going to be installed
[15:36] <ikonia> thats not the same thing
[15:36] <ikonia> look at the details
[15:36] <ikonia> g++ 5
[15:36] <ikonia> LufyCZ: apt-cache policy g++
[15:36] <LufyCZ> Like the same output, but this changed
[15:36] <ikonia> LufyCZ: it's not the same output, it's totally different
[15:37]  * virtualriot wants to say something but he isn't going to say it
[15:37] <LufyCZ> I mean the other things
[15:37] <ikonia> "the other thing" what other thing ?
[15:37] <LufyCZ> Pastebin.com/c9jnGz56
[15:38] <LufyCZ> its almost the same as the previous one, but the dependency thing changed
[15:38] <ikonia> it's not the same
[15:38] <ikonia> I'm going to leave this alone, I've told you whats probably happened, but it seems to much effort to pull information from you
[15:39] <LufyCZ> This is what happened pastebin.com/Ch8bwmZ7
[15:39] <LufyCZ> The output of apt-cache
[15:40] <raphinesse> ledeni, yes I see the networks. Connecting to them fails, though
[15:42] <LufyCZ> :-/
[15:43] <ducasse> blunderful: fglrx does not work on 16.04, how did you install it?
[15:43] <blunderful> Duckle: Wasn't installed.
[15:43] <blunderful> *ducasse:
[15:43] <ducasse> blunderful: you said you purged it
[15:44] <blunderful> I tried to purge it :/
[15:44] <ledeni> raphinesse,try to disable ip6 for your network you want to connect
[15:45] <raphinesse> ledeni I will try, thanks
[15:46] <ducasse> blunderful: do you know how to read the lspci output? if so, run 'lspci -k' and see if the radeon module is loaded for the gpu.
[15:51] <blunderful> duccase: Very hard to read the screen :/ even tty1 is on four blurry screens
[15:52] <ducasse> blunderful: right. has it got networking?
[15:52] <blunderful> yes
[15:53] <erto> hello
[15:53] <LufyCZ> 123
[15:53] <erto> i managed to install dual boot ubuntu windows 10, but now the resolution of the screen is default 640x480 or something like that
[15:54] <ducasse> blunderful: can you ssh in from another system? you would need to install openssh-server first.
[15:55] <blunderful> ducasse: Okay, lemme try that
[15:56] <EriC^^> erto: try sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[15:58] <erto> EriC^^: now i'm using windows because i couldn't open the browser with that resolution.. i have a nvidia gtx 1050ti, there is the driver for linux 64bit on the official site, should i download that?
[16:01] <erto> EriC^^: can i send you the link of a guide that helps how to install the last driver of 1050ti? so you check if is ok
[16:02] <blunderful> ducasse: What in particular from the lscpi output?
[16:02] <EriC^^> erto: try first the ubuntu drivers to see if it'll work that way you'll still be sticking to the repos and get auto updates and stuff
[16:03] <BluesKaj> erto,  the nvidia drivers from their site don't get updates/upgrade
[16:03] <erto> haha nice two different opinions
[16:03] <BluesKaj> erto, nothing different
[16:03] <erto> or i didn't understand what blueskaj said
[16:03] <erto> lol
[16:03] <EriC^^> actually we said the same
[16:03] <erto> sorry
[16:04] <EriC^^> no worries :D
[16:04] <erto> i've found this to get the last drivers sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa && sudo apt update
[16:04] <erto> is this the official ppa?
[16:05] <erto> it seems that some versions aren't that stable
[16:05] <Jack_Sparrow__> !ppa
[16:05] <fpbot> The command ‘!ppa’ isn’t available. Available commands for prefix ‘!’ are: help info echo tell ctell get set reset enable disable spec+ spec- repo+ repo- visit join leave quote show-opts history+ history- set-history-lines erase-opts shortcut+ shortcut- show-history feed+ feed- where lwhere gwhere lwhere+ lwhere- gwhere+ gwhere- puppet-start puppet-end puppet-say puppet-echo
[16:05] <EriC^^> ppa's are such a mess, i'd stay away unless you absolutely have to
[16:05] <erto> so i want to be sure to install the latest stable
[16:05] <ducasse> blunderful: that's why i asked if you knew how to read it :) if you can pastebin the output from 'lspci -k' i'll take a quick look
[16:05] <blunderful> alright, fair enough :P
[16:05] <erto> ok so i'll just do sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[16:06] <EriC^^> !leave
[16:06] <erto> is it better if i do that with ctrl+alt+f1?
[16:06] <EriC^^> nice..
[16:06] <erto> to turn off graphic?
[16:07] <EriC^^> erto: no it's fine
[16:07] <erto> k
[16:08] <erto> i'm going to try it
[16:08] <erto> see you later
[16:08] <EriC^^> ok
[16:08] <blunderful> ducasse: http://termbin.com/hd9o
[16:11] <ducasse> blunderful: you see the line that goes VGA controller etc? that's your graphics card. under that it says 'Kernel driver in use: radeon', which means that the radeon module is loaded for it. this looks ok.
[16:11] <blunderful> ah ok
[16:11] <ducasse> !nomodeset | blunderful try this
[16:11] <blunderful> alright
[16:14] <raphinesse> ledeni, I set Method to "Ignore" under IPv6 Settings of my connection. Still not able to connect
[16:16] <blunderful> ducasse: Alright, display works with nomodeset :)
[16:17] <ducasse> blunderful: ok, good :) then add that in /etc/default/grub and run 'sudo grub-update'
[16:19] <blunderful> ducasse: So I will have to run nomodeset every time? Is this more of a workaround or a permanent solution?
[16:20] <EriC^^> blunderful: * sudo update-grub
[16:20] <blunderful> EriC^^: Thanks!
[16:20] <ducasse> blunderful: in a way, it's both. you won't need to do anything on every boot, just add it as i said.
[16:21] <EriC^^> blunderful: no problem
[16:21] <erto> ok now i got my resolution 1080p
[16:21] <raphinesse> During the failing connection attempts, my system log looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24568416/
[16:21] <erto> thanks EriC^^
[16:21] <EriC^^> erto: nice
[16:21] <erto> it seems i've not installed the last nvidia driver
[16:21] <EriC^^> erto: no problem
[16:21] <EriC^^> erto: yeah for sure not it seems
[16:21] <EriC^^> :D
[16:22] <ledeni> raphinesse,what metod you try to put your password wpa,wpa2 or wep
[16:22] <ducasse> blunderful: the line you want to add it to starts with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[16:22] <erto> i'm running 375.39 version
[16:22] <blunderful> ducasse: Right, did that :)
[16:22] <erto> nvidia released few days ago the 375.66 stable version
[16:22] <raphinesse> ledeni WPA2 only
[16:22] <ducasse> blunderful: then you should be set. it's not optimal, but if it works...
[16:23] <raphinesse> *on the router
[16:23] <blunderful> ducasse: What would be the optimal solution?
[16:23] <ledeni> raphinesse,me too wpa2 pesonal
[16:23] <raphinesse> WPA,WPA 2 in the connection settings
[16:23] <blunderful> ducasse: It's not my main workstation so I'm completely willing to fiddle around with it.
[16:24] <raphinesse> Yes, it is all set up for WPA2 PSK
[16:25] <ledeni> raphinesse,did you reset your router?
[16:25] <raphinesse> Yes
[16:26] <ledeni> raphinesse, check password there
[16:27] <raphinesse> Password is good, I can connect using the same connection when running on different hardware
[16:27] <erto> you guys know any good tool for ubuntu to monitor cpu/temp/ram/disk/dwnl/upload
[16:27] <ducasse> blunderful: i'm not sure there's much you can do. it would probably involve enabling modesetting again temporarily and start digging through logs to find out what the problem is, then file a bug and hope it can be fixed. if you can just use it like this i would probably do that.
[16:27] <raphinesse> ledeni, That means when I boot the system in my laptop
[16:27] <handicraftsman> Anybody knows mohan-chml?
[16:28] <handicraftsman> His bot appeared in our channel for unknown reason
[16:28] <blunderful> ducasse: Hmm. Weird thing is, it used to boot fine before without nomodeset, but then I wiped it and installed Mac, decided it wasn't worth it, and reinstalled Ubuntu to this.
[16:29] <ducasse> blunderful: try a later kernel. which one are you on now?
[16:29] <blunderful> 4.8.0-36
[16:29] <blunderful> Okay, I'll try that
[16:30] <pavlos> raphinesse: does iwconfig show that power management is off ?
[16:30] <ducasse> blunderful: you could also try removing the hwe stack and go back to the 4.4 series. try both approaches :)
[16:31] <blunderful> Okay :)
[16:31] <raphinesse> pavlos one moment, I'll have to boot the system in my PC to check
[16:32] <ledeni> raphinesse, try 'sudo service network-manager restart'
[16:33] <raphinesse> ledeni I might have tried that already, but I'll check again
[16:36] <raphinesse> ledeni: doesn't help
[16:36] <ledeni> raphinesse, ' echo "alias reset-wifi='sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager restart'" >> ~/.bash_aliases'
[16:37] <raphinesse> pavlos, power management is on
[16:37] <raphinesse> ledeni, why should I do that?
[16:38] <ledeni> raphinesse, just to try  reset wifi
[16:38] <raphinesse> ledeni, the problem persists over reboots
[16:39] <ledeni> raphinesse, then 'sudo service network-manager enable'
[16:39] <raphinesse> And restarting the service did not help
[16:40] <raphinesse> ledeni, the nm service is already running
[16:41] <raphinesse> And it's "start" not "enable", as it seems
[16:41] <raphinesse> pavlos, should I disable power management?
[16:42] <ledeni> raphinesse, 'enable' will persist over reboots
[16:43] <raphinesse> ledeni, enable will give you an error
[16:43] <blunderful> ducasse: Would you happen to be familiar with partitions and booting? In particular, will removing the efi sys partition have any permanent effects that can't be solved by reinstalling the OS?
[16:44] <raphinesse> The network manager starts fine, that's not the problem
[16:46] <ledeni> raphinesse, can you share error
[16:46] <ducasse> blunderful: a new install will recreate it.
[16:47] <blunderful> ducasse: Ok that's what I thought. Thanks!
[16:48] <raphinesse> ledeni, it says that "enable" is not a valid argument
[16:48] <raphinesse> and my network manager IS running
[16:48] <raphinesse> That is not the issue
[16:49] <raphinesse> Disabling power management did not help, pavlos
[16:50] <konrados> Morning. Is the "~/.config/autostart" directory specific to KDE, Ubuntu, or is it a general linux concept? In this dir I have apps which autostart with the system. I can manage them for example with the system settings -> autostart
[16:51] <ducasse> konrados: it's a part of the xdg specs
[16:52]  * konrados googling xdg
[16:52] <sn0wf0x3h> Good evening :)
[16:53] <sn0wf0x3h> Can seem to get VPN to work in Ubuntu 17.04. network-manager says service hasn started.
[16:54] <sn0wf0x3h> Cant*
[16:54] <ducasse> konrados: 'x desktop guidelines' or something like that, freedesktop.org concept
[16:55] <konrados> ducasse, - thank you very much!
[16:56] <ducasse> konrados: np :)
[16:59] <ducasse> konrados: brief description: it's an effort to make gudelines software can follow to work with all the various desktops that follows the specs.
[17:01] <konrados> ducasse, - yes, I've seen it, thanks. And I'm on it. Too bad this doesn't seem to be complete: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/mime-apps-spec/mime-apps-spec-1.0.html - ie I can't find the 'autostart' dir, but probably it's somewhere else, thanks again!
[17:02] <ledeni> raphinesse, how you upgrade your system?
[17:02] <ducasse> konrados: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/0.5/ar01s02.html
[17:03] <konrados> Thanks, ducasse!
[17:03] <ducasse> konrados: np
[17:05] <raphinesse> ledeni I used the GUI
[17:06] <ledeni> raphinesse, can you run in terminal 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[17:06] <jellyf> upgrade how?
[17:07] <jellyf> upgrade to next release?
[17:07] <jellyf> (zesty)
[17:07] <jellyf> in this case
[17:08] <ducasse> jellyf: you want to upgrade 16.10 to 17.04?
[17:08] <jellyf> ledeni was asking about it
[17:08] <raphinesse> ledeni I will try that later. Right now I'm analyzing the system log
[17:08] <jellyf> ah
[17:08] <ledeni> raphinesse,ok
[17:09] <ducasse> jellyf: he didn't, he was talking to someone else :)
[17:15] <AntonMc> Hi
[17:15] <fadavi> anyone here could help about this issue? https://askubuntu.com/questions/905255/asus-n552vw-so-many-boot-erros
[17:17] <AntonMc> Is this the right channel for issues with cdimage mirrors?
[17:18] <konrados> I'm reading this: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html and from what they say, there should be something in the "$XDG_DATA_HOME" environment variable. So, in the terminal I do echo $XDG_DATA_HOME - and I get nothing, what am I doing wrong?
[17:18] <oerheks> fadavi, it is unusuall to ask for help when you post on the forum, but when you visit https://vrty.org/api/safe-mode-blacklisted-tags you get your answer
[17:18] <oerheks> VRTY.ORG
[17:18] <oerheks> We are down for the time being
[17:19] <hosas> @search The Art of Modeling Dynamic Systems
[17:19] <AntonMc> Is it?
[17:20] <hosas> oops
[17:20] <hosas> sorry
[17:20] <oerheks> AntonMc, what is your trouble?
[17:20] <AntonMc> When I tested the mirror, 17.04 downloads a text file that says "!<symlink>zesty "
[17:21] <oerheks> AntonMc, what mirror exactly?
[17:22] <AntonMc> 1 second
[17:22] <fadavi> oerheks: i couldnt understand your mean. after some fixing, now, its my journalctl errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24568718/ can you help me to solve them?
[17:22] <ducasse> konrados: if the vars are unset, the fallback is usually whatever the default value is - not sure what that is in this case
[17:22] <oerheks> fadavi, click on the url and you read it yourself, they are *down*
[17:22] <AntonMc> http://ubuntu.107network.ga/ubuntu-releases/
[17:22] <AntonMc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntu.107network.ga-release
[17:24] <konrados> OK, thanks as always ducasse :)
[17:24] <AntonMc> Is there a fix for that?
[17:25] <oerheks> Anti see, it is a 3th party mirror, unofficial, use a good one
[17:25] <oerheks> http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.04/
[17:25] <ducasse> konrados: thinking a bit about it, istr data_home being ~/.local, but i could be mistaken...
[17:26] <AntonMc> So there isn't a fix?
[17:27] <fadavi> oerheks: aha :D wtf im stupid :)) no, i've been solved variety errors... see new output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24568718/
[17:27] <ducasse> konrados: try #freedesktop, they would know
[17:27] <oerheks> fadavi, what linux version is this? i see wifi device errors
[17:30] <fadavi> oerheks: x86_64 Linux 4.10.0-20-generic
[17:32] <oerheks> fadavi, i don't know what is going on, is there windows 10 on that machine too?
[17:32] <oerheks> it looks like fastboot/secureboot troubles, but then again i am not sure
[17:33] <fadavi> oerheks: no! im purely a gnu/linux user :)
[17:33] <ducasse> fadavi: so this is a 17.10 kernel
[17:33] <ducasse> !ubuntu+1 | fadavi
[17:33] <oerheks> ducasse, no, i have the same, running 17.04
[17:34] <fadavi> ducasse: no i've zesty
[17:34] <ducasse> sorry, misread on my part
[17:34] <fadavi> oerheks: there's no fastboot :( secure boot is disabled :(
[17:35] <oerheks> fadavi, other thing comes in mind, does the motherboard allow overclocking?
[17:35] <oerheks> such overclocking could give vary results too
[17:37] <fadavi> oerheks: i dont know. how can i realize that? my laptop is ASUS N552VW-A https://www.asus.com/Laptops/VivoBook-Pro-N552VW/
[17:40] <oerheks> fadavi, lots of issues with asus vivobook, do you have the latest bios ? https://askubuntu.com/questions/867134/problem-with-installing-ubuntu-on-asus-n552vx
[17:40] <fadavi> oerheks: yes, i have.
[17:41] <YankDownUnder> fadavi, "fastboot" and "fast shutdown" are power preferences within MS Windows 10 - not in BIOS
[17:42] <fadavi> YankDownUnder: i know, and since i've not Windows, so there's no fastboot/fast-shutdown. O_o
[17:42] <Jack_Sparrow__> ASUS X540SA here running well
[17:43] <oerheks> fadavi, maybe it is the famous asus-wmi trouble, blacklist it?
[17:44] <oerheks> somting like: echo blacklist asus-wmi | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-asus-wmi.conf  ( not sure the name of asus-wmi is correct, could be asus-nb-wmi too)
[17:45] <fadavi> oerheks: what is asus-wmi?
[17:47] <fadavi> oerheks: testing.. im going to reboot the system. come back soon!
[17:48] <oerheks> ... oh boy ...
[17:52] <fadavi> oerheks: Wow! awesome. thank you.. many of errors disappeared by blacklisting asus-wmi. now, errors are: oerheks
[17:52] <fadavi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24568857/
[17:53] <fadavi> so, whats next step?! leave asus-wmi blacklisted? what about other errors?
[17:55] <redsh> Hello, do you answer questions regarding Ubuntu for Windows?
[17:55] <adammw111> hi there, has 17.04 Gnome flavour been officially released? i'm having trouble getting my system to find the upgrade
[17:55] <fadavi> redsh: answer is here :) Uninstall windoors and install ubuntu.
[17:56] <redsh> I don't run Windows.
[17:56] <redsh> Anyway, the question is: Can Ubuntu for Windows run wine?
[17:57] <Ben64> redsh: probably not
[17:57] <redsh> Sad.
[17:57] <Ben64> adammw111: yes, was released in april 2017, that's why it's 17.04
[17:57] <Ben64> redsh: not really
[17:57] <redsh> How so?
[17:57] <Ben64> you can run windows programs in windows
[17:58] <vagvaf> hello guys, I am trying to install gnome ubuntu 17.04 but in the partition step, the installer won't list my operating systems. I am sure I am looking the right device and that i have other os's installed. Any ideas?
[17:58] <oerheks> fadavi, good news.
[17:58] <adammw111> any ideas why update-manager is only seeing 16.10 then?
[17:58] <redsh> Ah, well, I'm out of stupid questions.
[17:58] <oerheks> fadavi, thank you for confirmation, this helps me helping others too!
[17:58] <Ben64> adammw111: i'm guessing you're on 16.04?
[17:59] <adammw111> yep - do i need 16.10 before i can install 17.04?
[17:59] <Jack_Sparrow__> vagvaf, What other Os's installed
[17:59] <Ben64> adammw111: 16.04 is LTS, it is supported for 5 years. It can upgrade directly to the next LTS version, 18.04. To upgrade to non-LTS versions, you have to go in order. Non-LTS versions are only supported for 9 months.
[18:00] <vagvaf> windows and ubuntu. Also, it will just list /sda as a single line, although i have 4 partitions in it...
[18:00] <adammw111> yeah, loosing the support of an LTS will be a shame but i'm wanting a more recent version of gnome shell
[18:00] <fadavi> oerheks: youre welcome :) thanks for awesome help.
[18:00] <adammw111> thanks for confirming it needs to be in order
[18:05] <Duckle> blunderful: I'm sorry I wasn't installed :(
[18:05] <blunderful> Duckle: no worries, sorry for pinging you :(
[18:05] <blunderful> mis-tab-completed
[18:05] <Duckle> Hehe, no worry :P
[18:06] <Jack_Sparrow__> vagvaf, Thats not good. What version of windows?
[18:06] <vagvaf> 10 home edition
[18:07] <Jack_Sparrow__> I dont do the uefi secure boot stuff, someone else will
[18:07] <vagvaf> Jack_Sparrow__, but the problem is that the partitions of sda won't be listed either. I see the whole device as a single partition. However, if a use the live usb and open sda with "disks" the partitions are shown properly..
[18:09] <Jack_Sparrow__> It just is not something I know well enough to help with.  I understand the question. Just dont want to mislead you
[18:09] <Jack_Sparrow__> are you sure you are looking at the right drive as one partition,sometimes sda and sdb are reversed in the menu
[18:10] <Jack_Sparrow__> Look at overall size of the drive to be sure
[18:10] <vagvaf> Jack_Sparrow__, yes I am sure. I will try an ubuntu 16.04 usb to see what happens..
[18:11] <Bashing-om> vagvaf: ' sudo parted -l ' see all the partitions ?
[18:13] <vagvaf> Bashing-om, give me a sec
[18:13] <Jack_Sparrow__> !fglrx
[18:14] <EriC^^> vagvaf: hi what's the problem?
[18:16] <vagvaf> EriC^^, I am trying to install ubuntu gnome 17.04 via a live usb and in the partition step, the installer won't detect any other operating systems on my system neither list all the partitions of sda (it will list it as a single line)
[18:17] <EriC^^> vagvaf: aha, that sounds like a left over gpt problem
[18:17] <EriC^^> vagvaf: try sudo fixparts /dev/sda
[18:17] <Bashing-om> vagvaf: Windows shut down - rather than in a hibernation mode ?
[18:17] <EriC^^> vagvaf: actually first run sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999 and paste the link it gives you here
[18:17] <vagvaf> for the record, i tried again with a 16.06 usb and still the same problem..
[18:18] <vagvaf> *16.04
[18:18] <fossvbn> Is this true canonical gonna ditch unity
[18:19] <DJones> fossvbn: Yes it is,  default will be a gnome shell
[18:20] <vagvaf> EriC^^,  http://termbin.com/sjnn
[18:20] <Jack_Sparrow__> Already have Mate version
[18:20] <qxt> What version of linux is in 16.04 LTS. Thinking about upgrading from 14.04 LTS
[18:20] <vagvaf> EriC^^, I also received an message: Invalid argument during seek for read on /dev/sda
[18:21] <Jack_Sparrow__> vagvaf, Not good
[18:21] <EriC^^> vagvaf: try sudo parted -l |& nc termbin.com 9999
[18:21] <EriC^^> vagvaf: sorry hold on
[18:22] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic xanial | qxt
[18:22] <qxt> Have a old server that has been spinning away in the other room. Need to pass some hw via VFIO and that newer stuf
[18:22] <EriC^^> vagvaf: try sudo parted -sl |& nc termbin.com 9999
[18:22] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic xenial | qxt
[18:22] <fossvbn> Upgrading is easier in LTS or Non-LTS
[18:22] <Jack_Sparrow__> LTS to LTS
[18:22] <vagvaf> EriC^^, http://termbin.com/gnlx
[18:23] <qxt> Bashing-om, so 4.4.0.77 ?
[18:23] <Bashing-om> qxt: That is the kernel version in xenial ( 16.04), yes .
[18:23] <EriC^^> vagvaf: try sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda
[18:24] <EriC^^> vagvaf: try sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda |& nc termbin.com 9999
[18:24] <EriC^^> vagvaf: you're trying to install to the 500gb one?
[18:24] <qxt> Bashing-om, thx that will do for passing hw via VFIO
[18:24] <vagvaf> yes
[18:25] <vagvaf> EriC^^, http://termbin.com/s7iy
[18:25] <qxt> watch -n1 "grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo |sort -k4rn"
[18:25] <qxt> sry wrong term
[18:25] <EriC^^> vagvaf: ok, try sudo fixparts /dev/sda
[18:25] <fossvbn> Yes LTS to LTS and Non LTS to Non LTS
[18:25] <EriC^^> if it mentions stray gpt, press yes to remove
[18:25] <Bashing-om> qxt: I have not done so, so can not say . Try and see what results booting a liveDVD(USB) .
[18:27] <vagvaf> EriC^^, http://termbin.com/gdhm
[18:28] <EriC^^> vagvaf: hmm try sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda |& nc termbin.com 9999
[18:29] <vagvaf> EriC^^, http://termbin.com/d5ge
[18:35] <EriC^^> vagvaf: not sure if it's a hdd error or a logical error
[18:35] <EriC^^> vagvaf: try sudo apt-get install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:37] <Fh31g0_BR> EriC^^ very nice!
[18:37] <vagvaf> this termbin service is awesome!
[18:37] <vagvaf> EriC^^, http://termbin.com/2c38
[18:38] <raphinesse> Hi everyone! For anyone following my troubleshooting: I could resolve my problem by setting the kernel parameter "net.ifnames=0". This bug report put me on the right track: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=842422
[18:38] <raphinesse> Thanks to everyone who tried to help. Greatly appreciated!
[18:45] <EriC^^> vagvaf: try sudo hdparm -N /dev/sda
[18:48] <vagvaf> EriC^^, http://termbin.com/dmwu
[18:50] <EriC^^> vagvaf: try sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=1M count=1 seek=5197336574
[18:51] <EriC^^> see if it says any errors about it or runs smoothly
[18:52] <vagvaf> EriC^^,  http://termbin.com/9blo
[18:52] <EriC^^> hmm, so it cant read the disk there
[18:52] <fossvbn> Hey anyone is it possible without new install to upgrade to new versions
[18:53] <fossvbn> Lts to lts and non lts to non lts
[18:53] <Ben64> yes
[18:53] <EriC^^> vagvaf: that's just at 5gb into the disk
[18:53] <vagvaf> EriC^^, I see...so backup everything and get a new disk ?
[18:54] <rud0lf> is seek in bytes or blocks?
[18:54] <EriC^^> rud0lf: bytes
[18:54] <rud0lf> ah
[18:54] <rud0lf> seems reasonable
[18:54] <AntonMc> When trying to download the cdimage for 17.04, the amd64 iso only downloads a file with the text "!<symlink>../.pool/ubuntu-17.04-desktop-amd64.iso "
[18:54] <AntonMc> Is there a way to fix that
[18:54] <EriC^^> rud0lf: hmm actually it says blocks in the man page
[18:55] <AntonMc> and the link for 17.04 is only "!<symlink>zesty "
[18:55] <AntonMc> other images and versions are the same
[18:56] <Bashing-om> fossvbn: Upgrade path is set to what is set in the file /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades .
[18:56] <EriC^^> vagvaf: try sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=1M count=4 seek=5G
[18:57] <vagvaf> EriC^^, same output
[18:57] <AntonMc> I ran rsync again and it said everything is up to date
[18:58] <AntonMc> Who can help with cdimage mirror issues
[18:58] <Jack_Sparrow__> AntonMc, http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.04/ubuntu-17.04-desktop-amd64.iso  ?
[18:59] <EriC^^> vagvaf: try asking in ##linux about it, i have no clue tbh
[18:59] <ioria> AntonMc, there is a specific reason why you 're persisting using that not official repo ?
[18:59] <vagvaf> thanks EriC^^
[18:59] <EriC^^> sorry, np
[18:59] <vagvaf> you were very helpful
[19:00] <AntonMc> ioria, because that's my cdimage mirror that I need to get working
[19:00] <ioria> i see
[19:01] <ioria> AntonMc, i have never seen a desktop iso of 49kb
[19:01] <rud0lf> that's one hefty compression
[19:04] <AntonMc> ioria, It's 49kb because this is all rsync downloaded for it http://www.antonmc.ga/public/ubuntu_cdimage_49kb.png
[19:04] <AntonMc> "!<symlink>../.pool/ubuntu-17.04-desktop-amd64.iso "
[19:04] <ioria> AntonMc, ok
[19:06] <ioria> AntonMc, why don't you do a sysmlink to this : http://releases.ubuntu.com/zesty
[19:07] <AntonMc> How do I set a sysmlink?
[19:07] <ioria> f
[19:08] <sn0wf0x3h> ln -s
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[19:10] <AntonMc> Still not working
[19:10] <Fh31g0_BR>  Who Java 8 running  firefox mozilla?
[19:13] <AntonMc> I think it's a problem with sysmlink
[19:13] <ioria> AntonMc, i guess you set the wrong href
[19:14] <AntonMc> since the isos are there
[19:14] <ioria> AntonMc, /ubuntu-releases/zesty/ubuntu-17.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:15] <AntonMc> The iso's are in /.pool though
[19:15] <AntonMc> another screenshot http://www.antonmc.ga/public/ubuntu_cdimage_pool.png
[19:16] <AntonMc> filesizes are also correct there
[19:16] <CoderEurope> Fh31g0_BR, https://www.youtube.com/html5
[19:16] <Fh31g0_BR> CoderEurope ???
[19:18] <Fh31g0_BR> How to run java 8 in mozilla on linux?
[19:19] <Doow> so, I made a bad mistake. While doing dist-upgrade (from 16.10 to 17.04) I accidentily typed ctrl-c instead of q while viewing a diff. Thus aborting somewhere near the end of the process. I can still ssh to the computer, but I really don't want to screw anything up - making it unbootable or so...)
[19:20] <Doow> What are my best options from here? I tried running do-dist-upgrade again, but it says I'm already running 17.04 and there is nothing to do...
[19:20] <AntonMc> Is there any way to make the files downloadable?
[19:24] <Doow> oops, do-release-upgrade I mean
[19:24] <AntonMc> without having to download from .pool
[19:25] <AntonMc> No way?
[19:26] <banyantree> Hey Guys, need your help - please. I recently installed steam over aptitude - after restart there is no ubuntu listed in grub =(
[19:26] <AntonMc> I need to get the mirror working and back to official status
[19:27] <Bashing-om> Doow: Make sure we have something to work with . what shows ' lsb_release -a ; cat /etc/issue ' .Then we see what the package manager advises .
[19:27] <Doow> Bashing-om: ok
[19:28] <banyantree> oh im using cryptsetup
[19:30] <Doow> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24569391/
[19:31] <Bashing-om> Doow: K .
[19:31] <AntonMc> Mirror still isn't working, same 50kb file
[19:34] <Bashing-om> Doow: Rin ' sudo apt autoclean ; sudo apt autoremove ; sudo apt clean ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ; sudo apt -f install ; sudo dpkg --configure -a ; sudo dpkg -C ' . Post any errors .
[19:34] <Bashing-om> rin/run*
[19:34] <Doow> Bashing-om: thanks, I'll give it a try
[19:36] <Doow> Bashing-om: sudo apt autoremove give me this error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24569418/ (locked /var/lib/dpkg/lock)
[19:37] <Bashing-om> Doow: Make sure here that no other instalnce of a package manager is running . Only one can be active at a given time .
[19:37] <Bashing-om> instance*
[19:39] <Doow> Bashing-om: looks like the last upgrade is still alive somehow, this is what I get from 'ps aux|grep dpkg' https://paste.ubuntu.com/24569428/
[19:39] <Doow> do you think it's possible to resume somehow?
[19:40] <AntonMc> How can I make the mirror if symlink doesn't work
[19:41] <Bashing-om> Doow: How long has it been running ? .. do we need to force kill that process ?
[19:41] <Kyros> Leave that background process running
[19:42] <Doow> To me it looks like it's waiting for input from that diff (i.e. what I was looking at when I pressed ctrl-c)
[19:42] <banyantree> is it possible to repair an ubuntu with installmedium?
[19:42] <Kyros> i know like if im upgrading and i lose the term (over network) it continues to upgrade in the background
[19:42] <Bashing-om> Doow: And you are SSH'n in .. not at the local console ?
[19:43] <Doow> Bashing-om: no, I currently don't have a monitor/keyboard hooked up to that machine
[19:43] <Doow> Kyros: I think it's waiting for user input
[19:44] <Kyros> I see
[19:44] <AntonMc> Is there anything that I have to do?
[19:44] <Kyros> not sure then
[19:44] <Doow> Bashing-om: it's in this room though, so I could set those things up, but I don't think I could do it without cutting power, i.e. rebooting it
[19:44] <Doow> which seems a bit risky right now
[19:45] <Bashing-om> Doow: What shows ' pstree -p -s 22476 ' ?
[19:45] <zealsham_> which is a good video editor for ubuntu. i need basic functionalities and audio support
[19:45] <AntonMc> Is it normal for Ubuntu ISOs to be "!<symlink>../.pool/ubuntu-17.04-desktop-amd64.iso " only?
[19:46] <AntonMc> I need to get this fixed soon
[19:47] <Doow> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24569460/
[19:47] <ioria> AntonMc, ok, so make an href to this http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[19:47] <AntonMc> But then what's the use of having my own mirror
[19:47] <ioria> none
[19:49] <AntonMc> ioria, all of the isos are there (in ./pool)
[19:51] <Doow> Bashing-om: oh, I think you wanted pstree -p -s 14156, that gives only systemd(1)───zesty(30423)───dpkg(14156)───sh(15632)───pager(15634)
[19:51] <AntonMc> Why does the mirror use /.pool/ anyways
[19:53] <Hankster> hey
[19:53] <AntonMc> Hey
[19:53] <Hankster> im running ubuntu 17.04 but cant connect to wifi
[19:53] <Hankster> im new to this so i have no idea what to do
[19:54] <AntonMc> How are you connecting?
[19:54] <Fh31g0_BR> hplip error connect  LPD. Ubuntu 17.04
[19:54] <Bashing-om> Doow: Scares the pants off me .. ' ps aux|grep dpkg ' still shows PID 14156 ?
[19:55] <AntonMc> Hankster, Do you know if there's a proprietary driver available
[19:55] <Doow> Bashing-om: yeah, I'm pretty sure it's waiting for me to close down the diff of the apache config
[19:55] <ledeni> Hankster, in terminal 'lspci | grep Wireless'
[19:55] <Hankster> yeah im usung a broadcom driver
[19:56] <Doow> I'm a bit scared to just kill the process though, but maybe that's the best option
[19:56] <AntonMc> ioria, Still isn't working
[19:56] <chrisml> i have a linode and my prompt is green user@ubuntu:~$, i tried setting no color in .bashrc but no joy
[19:57] <Bashing-om> Doow: Can we find the process that " /apache2\.conf\.dpkg\-new  " is ??
[19:57] <Doow> Bashing-om: you mean the pid?
[19:57] <Hankster> ive never used ubuntu before so i have no idea what steps to take or what to do ive just been looking on google
[19:58] <Bashing-om> Doow: Yeah .. would rather kill the diff process as directly at dpkg .
[19:59] <Bashing-om> !bcm | Hankster
[19:59] <Doow> Bashing-om: agreed, I'm pretty sure that's the pager process (I assume pager is an alias for less)
[19:59] <Hankster> thank you
[19:59] <Bashing-om> Doow: Yeah . that to me is reasonable .
[19:59] <AntonMc> Can someone help with the cdimage mirror problem?
[20:00] <AntonMc> It still isn't working
[20:01] <oerheks> Anti think you better join #ubuntu-mirrors for these issues
[20:01] <AntonMc> (Anti?)
[20:01] <oerheks> AntonMc ^^
[20:02] <AntonMc> Thanks
[20:03] <Doow> Bashing-om: killing the pager process, unlocked the other shell (that I was running in, but now it spams that it can't ping the servers ip adress) top show that release-upgrade is running at 100% now, so I assume I'll wait it out and hope for the best.
[20:04] <Bashing-om> Doow: Hokay ! .. we wait a bit and see .
[20:05] <Bashing-om> Doow: we get a bite ' sudo lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock ' ?
[20:09] <Doow> Bashing-om: nope, can't allocate enough memory...
[20:09] <Doow> it's anyones guess what's going on right now
[20:10] <Bashing-om> Doow: Ouch ! Virtual machine ?
[20:10] <AntonMc> Is it normal for nobody to respond in #ubuntu-mirrors?
[20:11] <Doow> I find it a bit scary that it's so easy to break the installer, I mean ctrl-c is a normal option inside less assuming you're in follow mode for example
[20:11] <oerheks> AntonMc, be patient, maybe they are all watching eurosongfestival :-D
[20:11] <Doow> Bashing-om: nope, not virtual :(
[20:11] <Doow> Bashing-om: it'd be nice to have a complete snapshot and just be able to start over ;)
[20:13] <Bashing-om> Doow: There are those times ! .. there are a couple of file systems for us that have that ability - for future think'n .
[20:13] <Doow> Bashing-om: that sounds really cool
[20:15] <Doow> it can't even run 'uptime' now, I guess I don't have any other option than to reboot it and hope that it starts
[20:15] <sebsebseb> hi
[20:16] <Quatroking> This isn't the kind of partitioning I want, is it http://i.imgur.com/ONurFae.png
[20:16] <Quatroking> I'm not sure how to include the 2TB drive in my install
[20:17] <Bashing-om> Doow: Yul ! do not like THAT option . Get some more info as to what is using all the resources ?
[20:17] <TheEagerPadawan> hi, playing with a 2 disk linux box
[20:17] <Doow> Bashing-om: actually, it started responding now (I think I killed the dpkg process)
[20:17] <TheEagerPadawan>  i wonder if it such a good idea to mount the second disk as root though :p
[20:18] <Doow> Bashing-om: or maybe it just finished
[20:18] <TheEagerPadawan> could chmod 770 it so only root and the sudoers group has access to it i guess
[20:18] <TheEagerPadawan> basically i want to use the second disk as a backup/data one :)
[20:18] <Doow> Bashing-om: is there a log I can take a look at? to see what it did?
[20:19] <Bashing-om> Doow: Of course there is a log . little happens that is not logged somewhere . gimme a bit to find that log file .
[20:20] <Doow> Bashing-om: seems to be a whole bunch of log files in /var/log/dist-upgrade
[20:20] <Doow> Bashing-om: now to find the relevant info
[20:22] <Bashing-om> Doow: :) yepper that the one I had in mind .
[20:23] <Quatroking> TheEagerPadawan, I'm not sure how to mount my 2nd drive either
[20:23] <Doow> Bashing-om: seems I killed it alright 'KeyboardInterrupt'
[20:24] <Doow> Bashing-om: should I go back to your suggested commands? before (sudo apt autoclean; sudo apt autoremove...etc)?
[20:25] <Bashing-om> Doow: We back to my 14:34 entry to see what the package manager has to say ?
[20:25] <Doow> Bashing-om: I'm suspecting you're not in my timezone ;)
[20:28] <Bashing-om> Doow: Uh Huh .. on the time zone . reason for "my". Anyway , can do no harm to see what happens up and to ' dist-upgrade ' .
[20:28] <Doow> Bashing-om: 'sudo apt autoremove' Gives: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[20:29] <Bashing-om> Doow: K, all we can do here is continue with the sequence all the way through .
[20:29] <oerheks> why don't you do as told: sudo dpkg --configure -a ??
[20:29] <flush> hi im using xchat
[20:30] <sebsebseb> flush: ok?
[20:30] <flush> when new text comes in i mostly have to scroll down automatically.. is this a konwn issue ?
[20:30] <flush> i mean manually, it wont scroll down automatically
[20:30] <DarkPsydeLord> no, its a feature
[20:30] <flush> eh...
[20:30] <oerheks> flush, xchat is dead, discontinued, use hexchat
[20:31] <flush> thanks
[20:31] <DarkPsydeLord> ^^
[20:31] <DarkPsydeLord> well ubuntu comes with hexchat by default isnt it?
[20:31] <oerheks> and finally removed in 17.04 \0/
[20:31] <Bashing-om> oerheks: ' dpkg --configure -a' is in the sequence later after cleaning the caches .
[20:31] <flush> i have 16.04
[20:32] <flush> thought it was latest version
[20:32] <DarkPsydeLord> still hexchat by defaul i think
[20:32] <DarkPsydeLord> we are a few weeks away from 17.10 xD
[20:32] <flush> ok thanks ill setup hexchat
[20:32] <flush> ok
[20:32] <oerheks> * few months
[20:32] <flush> what will be added ?
[20:32] <sebsebseb> flush: try smuxi
[20:32] <flush> ok ill check it out
[20:33] <oerheks> Bashing-om, the error gives that solution, i think it should not be ignored
[20:33] <sebsebseb> flush: i went through irc clients recently, and smuxi seemed interesting, but i prefer konversation over anything else
[20:33] <DarkPsydeLord> oerheks, weeks or days still a few
[20:33] <flush> ok thanks ill check it out too
[20:34] <flush> if i resize a partition with gparted, a ntfs partition, is there a risk i might loose data
[20:35] <sebsebseb> flush: what kind of ntfs artition?
[20:35] <Doow> oerheks, Bashing-om: I tried sudo dpkg --configure -a, it let me in at the point where I was disconnected before! bad news is that it seems to have hung at a slightly later state
[20:35] <flush> a winblows one... dont know what to say
[20:35] <flush> a 2tb partition formatted under win7
[20:35] <oerheks> flush, resizing is always a risc, if you don't have a backup, your data is unimportant
[20:35] <Doow> after Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/apache-htcacheclean.service → /lib/systemd/system/apache-htcacheclean.service.
[20:35] <Bashing-om> oerheks: Better sooner to run dpkg --configure -a than later ? I was thinking to clear the caches and resync the data bases before running .
[20:35] <flush> ok
[20:36] <sebsebseb> flush: if windows vista or above created it, usually better to use the windows disk managemenr from inside a running windows to resize
[20:36] <flush> thanks
[20:36] <Doow> well, that just seems to be failing to start apache, I can fix that later :)
[20:36] <flush> ill leave it like that for now, i need to make a backup
[20:36] <oerheks> Bashing-om, hmm you might be right there
[20:39] <Bashing-om> Doow: Any joy ' sudo apt autoclean ; sudo apt update ' ? Hold our breath to continue .
[20:39] <Doow> Bashing-om: any reason that you separate the commands with ; instead of && btw? I'm running them one at a time, but if someone were to paste that whole line it will do all of the regardless of the result of the earlier ones
[20:39] <rsuwalski> Doow, ; and && have different meaning
[20:40] <Doow> rsuwalski: yeah, and I'm wondering why ; is preferrable here =)
[20:40] <rsuwalski> When first command fails, the part after && isn't executed.
[20:40] <rsuwalski> When using ;, possible errors will be irrelevant to the following commands.
[20:41] <rsuwalski> Compare "cd /directory && echo success" versus "cd /directory; echo success"
[20:42] <Doow> Bashing-om: I did the --configure -a directly after autoclean, was a bit hot on the button there :(
[20:42] <Doow> Bashing-om: still waiting for it to complete, so it doesn't seem to be all bad
[20:43] <johnfg> hi folks
[20:43] <Doow> rsuwalski: I get that, what I'm wondering is why you want to run e.g. sudo apt full-upgrade if sudo apt clean failed
[20:44] <rsuwalski> Doow, you don't.
[20:44] <johnfg> I need to add this to /boot/grub/grub.cfg in a ubuntu-server-16.04, after the kernel line: console=ttyS0 emergency
[20:45] <johnfg> Which is the kernel line?
[20:45] <johnfg> Is this the line that I'd append to: linux   /vmlinuz-4.4.0-77-generic root=/dev/mapper/churchubuntu--vg-root ro ?
[20:49] <Doow> Bashing-om: Everything completed without errors now!
[20:52] <oerheks> johnfg,  edit /etc/default/grub ( not /boot/grub/grub.cfg)  and run sudo update-grub after that, it creates the /boot/grub/grub.cfg file >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Configuring_GRUB_2
[20:52] <Netek> hi all, I am not sure if this is the best place to ask.  I currently have a wordpress site running on a Ubuntu VPS.  I also have an Excel spreadsheet that I require multiple access to from different locations in order to modify the contents of the data, I read that Excel cannot only be edited by a single person at a time.  Could somebody tell me what would be the best solution for this?
[20:53] <johnfg> oerheks: I get that, but I'm kinda stuck, because of no passwd being set for root, and user's aren't in /etc/passwd.
[20:54] <oerheks> johnfg, the 1st user created has sudo priv
[20:55] <Plushfish> Ubuntu LTS only gives full LTS support for the main repository. What about the other repositories like universe, multiverse, ... ? Do they also get updates?
[20:56] <sebsebseb> hi
[20:57] <Bashing-om> Doow: Sorry called away from the keyboard . OK ! ' sudo dpkg -C " just returns to a prompt ?
[20:57] <Doow> Bashing-om: yes
[20:58] <Bashing-om> Doow: Outstanding ! for my peace of mind ' dist-upgrade ' was ran ?
[20:58] <Doow> Bashing-om: I just restarted it. and logged in via ssh. It shows 17.04 and the new kernel!
[20:58] <Doow> Bashing-om: I ran all the commands
[20:58] <Bashing-om> Doow: We do good work !
[20:59] <Doow> Bashing-om: you were awesome, thanks for all the help!
[21:00] <Doow> Bashing-om: apache isn't starting, but I can fix that tomorrow, I have no doubt I can handle that :D
[21:01] <Bashing-om> Doow: What did you upgrade from ? Many times the scripts get broke going from upstart to systemd !
[21:01] <Doow> 16.10
[21:02] <pavlos> raphinesse: seems power management did not help, you're on 17.04 right?
[21:02] <Doow> but it was my fault as I interrupted the script myself
[21:02] <Doow> by pressing ctrl-c to abort less rather than q
[21:05] <chindy> when installing tlp it requires me to set some email server specific settings, any ideas why ?
[21:05] <chindy> for reference I followed this http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-linux-advanced-power-management.html
[21:05] <raphinesse> pavlos: I could resolve my problem by setting the kernel parameter "net.ifnames=0". This bug report put me on the right track: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=842422
[21:05] <pavlos> raphinesse: that will change your wifi device from wilxxxxxxxxxxx to wlan0
[21:06] <Bashing-om> Doow: All good, ya got something to work with now :)
[21:06] <pavlos> raphinesse: if that works, ok
[21:09] <johnfg> I'm in console=ttyS0 emergency.  I've mounted / so I can write on it, but I'm getting denied when I do `passwd root`, or `passwd user`
[21:09] <johnfg> Any ideas what I can do?
[21:11] <raphinesse> pavlos: Yes, that finally resolved the issue for me. Though unlike in the bug report, NetworkManager did not seem to be the problem. I could not connect to the WiFi using only wpa_supplicant either.
[21:11] <vlt> johnfg: `touch /root/tmpfile` works?
[21:12] <raphinesse> pavlos: I'm curious. Do you know to what end the longer interface names were introduced?
[21:16] <ikonia> you shouldn't be using the root account
[21:16] <ikonia> and you shouldn't be putting anything in /root
[21:16] <Bashing-om> raphinesse: See: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ .
[21:17] <pavlos> raphinesse: I think they started with 16.04
[21:17] <tonyt> is 14.04 still suported?
[21:18] <tonyt> nm
[21:18] <bekks> !14.04 | tonyt
[21:19] <raphinesse> Bashing-om: thanks. that makes sense. Well I can live with it for now. I got at most one interface of each kind in the system, so...
[21:20] <raphinesse> pavlos, well then something else broke the predictable names for my device in 17.04
[21:23] <konrados> Hi again:) Today I learned that the ~/.config dir is a part of freedesktop.org concept (xdg), right?
[21:23] <konrados> But here - http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/09/linux-file-system-structure/ I can read that the /etc dir is there to "Contains configuration files required by all programs." - why did the xdg makers decide to dedicate another directory for that (configuration files)?
[21:24] <oerheks> konrados, it is a user config folder, not systemwide
[21:26] <konrados> oerheks, ok, this bugs me a bit... so, if there were no xdg concept, we would have no "user config folder"? Only the "global" one? Like, the idea of "user config folder" came with the freedesktop.org initiative?
[21:26] <ikonia> konrados: no
[21:26] <ikonia> konrados: it's more than xdg, and I'm not sure why it "bugs" you
[21:27] <ikonia> it's a file system - people place files in there
[21:27] <konrados> ikonia, so, the .config directory is a concept being there before the xdg?
[21:28] <konrados> Like, being "outside" the xdg?
[21:29] <ikonia> konrados: it's not .config
[21:29] <ikonia> its ~/.sconfig
[21:29] <konrados> yes, I mean that^
[21:29] <ikonia> ~/.config
[21:29] <oerheks> the ~/.config file stores user settings, and the /etc/ the technical settings, don't mix them up
[21:29] <ikonia> it matters, thought, as it's there because the data stored in there is user specific
[21:30] <ikonia> you wouldn't want to store use or even estate wide settings on a local system file system
[21:31] <konrados> OK, I get it, oerheks ikonia but... is ~/.config a general linux concept or does it come from freedesktop.org?
[21:31] <konrados> Like if I installed now a completely different distro than I have now, will I find the ~/.config directory too?
[21:32] <oerheks> konrados, yes
[21:32] <ikonia> konrados: you'll find that or a variation of that in all distros
[21:32] <konrados> oerheks, ikonia - ah, thank you!!!
[21:32] <konrados> Now I know everything :)
[21:32] <oerheks> * at least in Fedora, i am sure
[21:34] <Plushfish> I don't like Red Hat
[21:40] <johnfg> vlt: yes, that cmd worked.  Just got to it.
[21:41] <johnfg> is there a way I could get the 'standard' /etc/pam.d/common-* files?  that's part of my problem.
[21:41] <johnfg> for server 16.04?
[21:41] <ikonia> johnfg: whats not standard about it ?
[21:41] <ikonia> (the one you have)
[21:43] <johnfg> Long story, but in configuring this vm for user authentication via openldap, libnss-ldapd, I think I misedited the files.
[21:43] <johnfg> And now I can't login.
[21:43] <johnfg> Not able to change passwd for root.
[21:43] <ikonia> backup your file, do a re-install of the package that supplys the pam config file and then diff it
[21:43] <ikonia> johnfg: you shouldn't be setting the password for root in the first place
[21:44] <ikonia> and I suspect you can't change the password for root as your auth settings will try to change ldap root password over local
[21:44] <ikonia> use the local flag for passwd
[21:44] <ikonia> but a.) you should not be setting the root password b.) you should not be logging in as root
[21:46] <johnfg> ikonia: this is an emergency measure for a vm.
[21:47] <johnfg> Anyway, is there somewhere I could download those files?
[21:48] <ikonia> johnfg: I told you how to get them
[21:48] <ikonia> and I"m not sure why you need to do this as an emergency measure
[21:48] <ikonia> if you can mess with files, you're clearly already in as root so you don't need to do anything else
[21:50] <johnfg> ikonia: I'm in as root via a workaround in grub.cfg, and not sure apt will run.
[21:50] <ikonia> why would apt not run
[21:50] <johnfg> ikonia: do you know what pkg supplies the common-* under /etc/pam.d?
[21:50] <ikonia> johnfg: not without looking
[21:51] <tgm4883> they don't come from a packag
[21:53] <tgm4883> johnfg: the files there don't come from a package. They are likely copied there from their default location
[21:54] <ikonia> the default pam files are shipped in a package
[21:54] <tgm4883> ikonia: yes they are, however the files at that location ( /etc/pam.d/ ) are not shipped in a package
[21:54] <ikonia> some can be generated eg, the ipa client
[21:55] <tgm4883> The common-* files all come from their default location which seems to be /usr/share/pam which is installed from the libpam-runtime package
[21:55] <johnfg> ok I found them in libpam-runtime.  How do I force apt install to reinstall them?
[21:56] <ikonia> you don't need to
[21:56] <ikonia> re-read what tgm4883 just said
[21:56] <ikonia> they are already on your system
[21:56] <ikonia> tgm4883: (an excellent spot by the way)
[21:56] <johnfg> tgm4883: ok, i'll look there.  But is there a way to force a reinstall?
[21:56] <ikonia> johnfg: you dont need to
[21:56] <ikonia> johnfg: they are on the file system
[21:57] <ikonia> you can even diff them in place or re-copy them back
[21:57] <tgm4883> johnfg: I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to do, so I'll go back to lurking. If you want to copy them back into that directory, that's easy enough to do
[21:57] <tgm4883> ikonia: I just did a quick search on p.u.c for common-session. IIRC there's a way to get ubottu to search that too
[22:01] <MrStein> Hi! How to boot the install medium to not go into gfx mode? My HW is incompatible. I can see grub and kernel boot messages, but then the screen goes black. I'm interested in the "Try Lubuntu" option, just to get a shell.
[22:02] <kostkon> MrStein, have you tried with nomodeset already?
[22:03] <MrStein> I tried replacing "quite splash" with "text" and "texonly".   I that a kernel parameter? I it not listed here: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
[22:03] <kostkon> !nomodeset
[22:04] <Quatroking> for some reason using SSH freezes my system
[22:05] <oerheks> MrStein, as alternative, use the mini iso = text based, but you need wired internet for it to install the desktop
[22:07] <MrStein> kostkon: thanks, nomodeset worked, even GUI mode works
[22:08] <kostkon> MrStein, np
[22:19] <hiru> hello. I'm having troubles installing ubuntu on my ssd. should I boot using uefi or legacy mode? I tried with uefi but I got a  'grub-install /dev/sda' fatal error
[22:19] <chindy> hiru: in case you have windows installed deactivate all the hibernate/fastboot optoins
[22:20] <chindy> optoins*
[22:20] <hiru> I do have Windows installed but on a different drive
[22:22] <oerheks> !uefi
[22:23] <hiru> I'm looking in the bios right now and fast boot is disabled but storage boot option control says "legacy only"
[22:25] <hiru> sorry the app I'm using just disconnected me
[22:25] <Bashing-om> hiru: Acer ? where we have vendor lockin to get around ?
[22:26] <sebsebseb> hiru: hmm uefi ok
[22:26] <hiru> anyway I don't know what installation method I should use. I'm keeping windows in my HDD and ubuntu in my SSD. should I still use uefi mode?
[22:26] <sebsebseb> hiru: which windows?
[22:26] <hiru> windows 10
[22:33] <sebsebseb> who had uefi issue got disconnected
[22:33] <sebsebseb> no didnt want silly airplane mde
[22:34] <Bashing-om> hiru: In the long run, you really want to match Windows' boot method ( UEFI ) .
[22:34] <sebsebseb> hiru: looks like you pointed to a non existent mbr since its uefi system
[22:35] <sebsebseb> hiru: you need to point to a uefi partition
[22:35] <sebsebseb> bootlloader
[22:36] <hiru> maybe there is a issue with my drive. should I format it and convert the drive yo mbr instead of gpt?
[22:36] <hiru> *to
[22:37] <Bashing-om> !uefi | hiru
[22:38] <th_> uefi allows drives >2TB to be used as boot drives
[22:38] <hiru> I think I installed windows on a partition of my hdd using uefi mode
[22:38] <hiru> so I should go with uefi right?
[22:40] <sebsebseb> hiru: back
[22:40] <sebsebseb> keyboard issues
[22:40] <hiru> also when I try to boot the installation drive I get this error: nouveau "unknown chipset"
[22:41] <sebsebseb> typing issues
[22:41] <sebsebseb> you need gpt for uefi
[22:41] <sebsebseb> for windows 10 to boot
[22:41] <Bashing-om> hiru: Well, as installng to seperate physical drives - you do bor HAVE to install as EFI, but installing as EFI will make booting the desired system much easier, and easier to maintain .
[22:41] <hiru> should I boot into windows, make sure both the drives are gpt and try installing again?
[22:42] <sebsebseb> u efi systems dont have a mbr so you point to a gpt partition such as the windows one
[22:42] <sebsebseb> windows is ok
[22:42] <sebsebseb> its just how you set up  the uefi bios a bit or the linux install
[22:42] <sebsebseb> how you set up grub
[22:42] <NGC_6205> Anyone ever encountered needing a really convoluted procedure to get a bluetooth headset properly paired (and know how to fix it)? Mine involves switching both bluetooth and headset on and off several times and adjusting the audio mode in between
[22:43] <sebsebseb> on install can point to the windows efi partition
[22:43] <Sir_Andrei> Hi C:
[22:44] <sebsebseb> hiru: backt
[22:44] <Sir_Andrei> Ppl, im looking for a program to mirror mi computer screen into the smartphone
[22:44] <sebsebseb> after woulds probably can as well but wont be so easy
[22:45] <Sir_Andrei> Im using Lubuntu 16.04, and my smartphone have Android 6.0.1
[22:46] <Bashing-om> hiru: "unknown chipset" >> What release are you installing ? try "nomedeset" as a boot parameter . ( 14.04 does not recognize my GT710 card )
[22:46] <hiru> ubuntu 16,04 if I remember correctly
[22:47] <Basketball> I need to record for my english project(audio only)
[22:47] <Basketball> any software recomendations
[22:47] <hiru> "splx structure unsupported"
[22:48] <hiru> failed to add i915 bpo component madter
[22:49] <hiru> maybe I should unplug my hdd drive and see if I can install everything properly
[23:17] <riidom> hi I have some sort of ghost file on my desktop.. nautilus shows it, but when try to delete it says file not found, console "ls -a" doesnt show it; I know it will be gone when relogging, had that before, but is there a way to get rid of it without loosing session?
[23:17] <ppf> riidom: what's the filename
[23:18] <riidom> ppf jd_accessCheck_1494681549174 it's from Jdownloader2
[23:18] <riidom> 0 byte textfile
[23:20] <sebsebseb> Sir_Andrei: I dont think that can easyilly be done
[23:21] <riidom> ok found solution: open in gedit, save, and deleting works :)
[23:25] <YankDownUnder> Sometimes the "window manager" or "desktop environment" do not necessarily "update" the file system quickly enough - sometimes leaving "ghosts"...Nautilus has done this for more than a few years...simplly restarting "nautilus" resolves the issue...but it's not specific to "nautilus" or Gnome or Unity...
[23:30] <riidom> now you get me curious, YankDownUnder I also saw it on the desktop itself (I think I worded that ambiguous), is that also nautilus-realm?
[23:30] <kk4ewt> YankDownUnder,  or any program that is running while it gets updated
[23:34] <YankDownUnder> riidom, Long time ago - when "desktop environment" was being worked out - especially KDE and Gnome - when there was a single "file manager" that was being used to also "manage the desktop", this stuff started to appear...and with anything Gnome, it's the "gvfs" that is slow in propagation...therefore, if you actually kill/restart nautilus, the "desktop" will update...KDE has basically the same issues - but it's become more
[23:34] <YankDownUnder> "complex" with heaps of different apps handling the desktop at the same time...and so, when you see things like this, the first step in the process is to restart whatever application is handling the desktop...be it Gnome or KDE or XFce or LxDE or Cinnamon or Mate or whatever...
[23:36] <riidom> I'll keep that in mind, ty:)
[23:38] <hfp> Hey, fun story: I just reinstalled Ubuntu 17.04 from scratch for the third time since it came out. Everything was going well and I spent half a day reconfiguring everything just the way I like it. Then I wanted to start irssi but the OS complained it was now a readonly filesystem. So I rebooted. And now all my computer does is dropping me to a busybox initramfs. What happened and how do I fix it short of
[23:38] <hfp> formatting and reinstalling yet again?
[23:40] <Basketball> any here use audacity
[23:40] <Bashing-om> hfp: Re-installed 3 times - is the hard drive healthy ?
[23:43] <hfp> Not sure how to tell. It's an Intel SSD, it was running 16.10 just fine for a few months before
[23:45] <compdoc> read the SMART info from the drive. you can use the disks util
[23:45] <Bashing-om> hfp: Still a good thing to KnoW that the drive is solid : smartctl -> https://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/TocDoc .
[23:56] <hfp> Bashing-om: so I'm running `sudo smartctl -t short /dev/sda` and once the test has run `sudo smartctl -l selftest /dev/sda` but I says "SMART Self-test Log not supported." How will I ever know if my drive is healthy?