[00:01] <darkxst> true
[00:18] <jbicha> maybe it should be moved to caribou-antler though because it doesn't seem very helpful
[00:26] <nolsen> Um, how to diagnose why is some of my snaps having a black screen?
[00:28] <nolsen> Example: https://cloud.nolsen.xyz/s/vBw7LAgByemYVVG
[00:35] <jbicha> nolsen: you might get a better response in #ubuntu
[07:43] <darkxst> jbicha, can you upload https://pastebin.com/3HmUWb72 gnome-todo seems to require MOTU currently
[11:47] <jbicha> darkxst: sure
[11:48] <jbicha> gnome-todo is a GNOME core app as of GNOME 3.26
[11:48] <darkxst> jbicha, yes though doesnt seem ready as of 3.24
[11:49] <darkxst> as in I don't think I would be shipping it as a default app in current state
[11:51] <jbicha> yeah, there's other apps I'd rather see Ubuntu include by default this year
[11:51] <darkxst> like?
[11:51] <jbicha> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/GNOME/MIR_List
[11:52] <jbicha> Documents is a bit odd so maybe not
[11:52] <darkxst> erm that is full of no's
[11:52] <darkxst> most of the gnome apps require tracker or they are useless
[11:53] <jbicha> I'm still holding out hope on tracker :)
[11:53] <darkxst> yet tracker is not in that list
[11:54] <jbicha> the soure is already in main so it doesn't need a full MIR to promote some of its binary packages
[11:54] <darkxst> I would expect resistance against the daemons though
[11:55] <darkxst> anyway I had a somewhat productive weekend, though wondering if internet is a curse or a blessing
[11:57] <darkxst> but meh, got a server running now, most of my build stack is back online
[11:58] <darkxst> including jhbuild
[12:02] <jbicha> darkxst: I don't know about LP: #1690609 for zesty, the new strings will break some translations
[12:07] <jbicha> but I intend to ask the GNOME docs team to have a docs string freeze
[12:08] <darkxst> oh is gnome-user-docs in main ? didnt think it was but no harm done, havent upploaded SRU yet
[12:10] <jbicha> it's not in main for zesty; but it would technically introduce a regression into a stable release to break translations
[12:11] <jbicha> it also improves translations for some languages and fixes missing icons so it's an annoying decision for distros
[12:15] <darkxst> how that (Sstring freeze) work exactly? are they meant to ask downstream for approval?
[12:17] <jbicha> GNOME docs currently has no freeze at all
[12:17] <darkxst> as per most of GNOME really
[12:18] <darkxst> as in they don't consider downstream when breaking freeze
[12:18] <jbicha> https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointTwentyfive
[12:19] <darkxst> c'mon that is a soft freeze at best
[12:20] <jbicha> it's probably about as soft as Ubuntu's freezes, in that after certain points you have to have other people sign off on those changes
[12:20] <jbicha> https://wiki.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/RequestingFreezeBreaks
[12:21] <darkxst> oh and I get to tell my boss tomorrow that I plan to GUADEEC, that will be fun ;)
[12:22] <darkxst>  but the concept of freeze breaks is incredibly different between upstream and downstreams
[12:24] <jbicha> ok, for GNOME 3.24, gnome-shell's weather feature (& redesign of the messages area) was late
[12:25] <jbicha> while nice, it's also been buggy
[12:25] <darkxst> yes, and that has in general happened most cycles
[12:25] <darkxst> lates features that land after freeze
[12:25] <jbicha> one reason they pushed the feature in was to make the Release Notes look better, for marketing
[12:26] <darkxst> of course
[12:26] <jbicha> anyway, it would be a lot worse if GNOME didn't have the freezes it does
[12:28] <darkxst> yes
[12:28] <darkxst> and it would be better if ubuntu shifts release schedule back a bit know they are back to GNOME
[12:28] <darkxst> s/know/now/
[12:29] <jbicha> at least we're in the second half of the month now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseSchedule
[12:29] <jbicha> GNOME pushed their schedule forward a week and Ubuntu pushed theirs back a week so we have a full 2 weeks between GNOME Freeze and Ubuntu Feature Freeze now
[12:30] <jbicha> so we can get the .1 release in without a problem
[12:31] <jbicha> I hope Ubuntu never releases in the first half of October (or April) again
[12:31] <darkxst> that is better
[12:32] <jbicha> yes, it's a small thing that most people probably won't notice but it makes a pretty big difference :)
[12:33] <darkxst> in a perfect world we would release with .2
[12:33] <darkxst> but that probably pushes it out too far
[12:34] <darkxst> but generally speaking .1 is good enough for release
[12:36] <jbicha> by shipping with .1, we can hopefully get some bugs reported in time for fixes in .2 before most of GNOME loses interest :/
[12:38] <darkxst> I think canonical will have to co-manage long-term releases for the LTS packages
[12:39] <darkxst> its much easier doing it upstream
[12:42] <jbicha> it's too bad Debian's schedule doesn't align with Ubuntu's
[12:43] <darkxst> hmm wasnt that the whole point of ubuntu? a faster debian?
[12:46] <jbicha> looking at the dates, it looks like it was also a reaction to the end of "Red Hat Linux"
[12:46] <jbicha> but if Debian stable and Ubuntu LTS froze with the same GNOME version, it would be nice
[12:47] <darkxst> let me extend that for you, and add RHEL into the mix
[12:48] <jbicha> Mark said years ago that he'd be willing to shift Ubuntu's schedule a bit to get that grand alignment, but it might need to be all 3
[12:49] <jbicha> I don't know if that offer's still on the table, but the other 2 sides didn't seem to be that interested I guess
[12:51] <darkxst> that would be good for everyone apart from redhat who invest huge amounts in the RHEL product
[13:30] <darkxst> hey LinDol
[13:30] <darkxst> long time no speak
[13:30] <LinDol> darkxst, hi :)
[13:30] <LinDol> haha
[13:30] <darkxst> LinDol, I just got internet after 11months
[13:31] <LinDol> oh why?
[13:31] <LinDol> there was some problem?
[13:31] <darkxst> random mountains in remote place
[13:31] <darkxst> LinDol, you still doing transalations?
[13:32] <LinDol> Yes :)
[13:32] <darkxst> great!
[13:32] <LinDol> but I was not able to translate on these days
[13:32] <LinDol> because I was some busy
[13:32] <LinDol> oh
[13:32] <LinDol> but
[13:32] <LinDol> our Ubuntu GNOME wiki is end of service right?
[13:33] <darkxst> LinDol, because of mother day?
[13:33] <LinDol> oh because of my job
[13:33] <LinDol> I was hard working on these days
[13:33] <LinDol> anyway
[13:33] <LinDol> do you need to translate for?
[13:34] <darkxst> LinDol, I need translate for I going to the UK in the middle of snow season and well bad luck]
[13:35] <darkxst> not that my boss would understand your language
[13:35] <LinDol> haha okay
[13:36] <LinDol> could i ask to you why you go to UK?
[13:36] <jbicha> https://2017.guadec.org/
[13:37] <darkxst> LinDol, yes ^ that
[13:38] <LinDol> oh it is interesting :)
[13:38] <darkxst> LinDol, a well earned break from work!
[13:39] <darkxst> lol, that said lets see my bosses face in the morning when
[13:39] <darkxst> I tell him I am going :P
[13:41] <LinDol> haha
[13:42] <LinDol> how long you will be staying in UK?
[13:48] <darkxst> LinDol, a week or so
[13:49] <LinDol> have a nice trip and study :)
[13:49] <LinDol> anyway
[13:49] <LinDol> if you need to learn or understand or translate to korean language
[13:49] <LinDol> please let me know :)
[13:49] <darkxst> LinDol, will do, keep up your good work with translations ;)
[13:49] <LinDol> in the future :)
[13:50] <LinDol> haha thank you :-)
[13:50] <LinDol> oh by the way
[13:50] <LinDol> i have a question.
[13:50] <darkxst> sure ask ;)
[13:50] <LinDol> about our Wiki(Ubuntu gnome wiki)
[13:51] <LinDol> i have read ubuntu gnome's plan
[13:51] <LinDol> so
[13:51] <LinDol> our wiki will be ended?
[13:51] <darkxst> LinDol, do you know more than us?
[13:52] <LinDol> what does it mean?
[13:52] <darkxst> I would expect that eventually Ubuntu GNOME wiki content will filter though
[13:54] <darkxst> goodnight all
[13:55] <LinDol> haha have a good night :)
[13:55] <LinDol> see u :)
[14:08] <tony1> do you guys notice your syslog being spammed when using gnome-calendar?
[14:09] <tony1> org.gnome.Calendar[1579]: 09:50:51.0417   Gtk: #033[1;35mCRITICAL#033[0m: gtk_widget_get_realized: assertion 'GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
[14:09] <TheNumb> tony1: happens here too.
[14:10] <tony1> bummer, i dont see a fix for it. I tried to report it. we will see I guess
[14:11] <tony1> maybe a dbus issue?
[14:15] <jbicha> tony1: where did you report it?
[14:18] <tony1> jbicha: in the irc channel
[14:19] <tony1> #gnome-calendar
[14:20] <tony1> irc.gnome.org
[14:20] <jbicha> I also found https://bugzilla.gnome.org/782610
[15:00] <tony1> bummer it is in 17.10 as well. although reported wrong
[15:00] <tony1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1685805
[15:07] <jbicha> that bug isn't useful at all
[15:10] <TheNumb> just close it
[15:10] <TheNumb> :^)
[15:12] <jbicha> as long as no one touches it, it should automatically close in 49 days
[15:16] <tony1> well as long as others are aware of it maybe it will be fixed soon?
[16:15] <perry1> Hello!
[16:16] <perry1> Just connected via Weechat on my brand new Ubuntu Gnome installation!
[16:17] <perry1> Oh, I just realized I should be on #ubuntu :p
[18:15] <bcx> Hi, seems that processes launched by keybindings (uses gnome-settings-daemon) do not get env variables set by xinit. Can someone confirm ? Know a wrokaround ? Thanks
[23:46] <tony1> anyone notice nautilus-emblems does not work on a clean install with updates?