[00:01] true [00:18] maybe it should be moved to caribou-antler though because it doesn't seem very helpful [00:26] Um, how to diagnose why is some of my snaps having a black screen? [00:28] Example: https://cloud.nolsen.xyz/s/vBw7LAgByemYVVG [00:35] nolsen: you might get a better response in #ubuntu [07:43] jbicha, can you upload https://pastebin.com/3HmUWb72 gnome-todo seems to require MOTU currently [11:47] darkxst: sure [11:48] gnome-todo is a GNOME core app as of GNOME 3.26 [11:48] jbicha, yes though doesnt seem ready as of 3.24 [11:49] as in I don't think I would be shipping it as a default app in current state [11:51] yeah, there's other apps I'd rather see Ubuntu include by default this year [11:51] like? [11:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/GNOME/MIR_List [11:52] Documents is a bit odd so maybe not [11:52] erm that is full of no's [11:52] most of the gnome apps require tracker or they are useless [11:53] I'm still holding out hope on tracker :) [11:53] yet tracker is not in that list [11:54] the soure is already in main so it doesn't need a full MIR to promote some of its binary packages [11:54] I would expect resistance against the daemons though [11:55] anyway I had a somewhat productive weekend, though wondering if internet is a curse or a blessing [11:57] but meh, got a server running now, most of my build stack is back online [11:58] including jhbuild [12:02] darkxst: I don't know about LP: #1690609 for zesty, the new strings will break some translations [12:02] Launchpad bug 1690609 in gnome-user-docs (Ubuntu Zesty) "Update gnome-user-docs to 3.24.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1690609 [12:07] but I intend to ask the GNOME docs team to have a docs string freeze [12:08] oh is gnome-user-docs in main ? didnt think it was but no harm done, havent upploaded SRU yet [12:10] it's not in main for zesty; but it would technically introduce a regression into a stable release to break translations [12:11] it also improves translations for some languages and fixes missing icons so it's an annoying decision for distros [12:15] how that (Sstring freeze) work exactly? are they meant to ask downstream for approval? [12:17] GNOME docs currently has no freeze at all [12:17] as per most of GNOME really [12:18] as in they don't consider downstream when breaking freeze [12:18] https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointTwentyfive [12:19] c'mon that is a soft freeze at best [12:20] it's probably about as soft as Ubuntu's freezes, in that after certain points you have to have other people sign off on those changes [12:20] https://wiki.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/RequestingFreezeBreaks [12:21] oh and I get to tell my boss tomorrow that I plan to GUADEEC, that will be fun ;) [12:22] but the concept of freeze breaks is incredibly different between upstream and downstreams [12:24] ok, for GNOME 3.24, gnome-shell's weather feature (& redesign of the messages area) was late [12:25] while nice, it's also been buggy [12:25] yes, and that has in general happened most cycles [12:25] lates features that land after freeze [12:25] one reason they pushed the feature in was to make the Release Notes look better, for marketing [12:26] of course [12:26] anyway, it would be a lot worse if GNOME didn't have the freezes it does [12:28] yes [12:28] and it would be better if ubuntu shifts release schedule back a bit know they are back to GNOME [12:28] s/know/now/ [12:29] at least we're in the second half of the month now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseSchedule [12:29] GNOME pushed their schedule forward a week and Ubuntu pushed theirs back a week so we have a full 2 weeks between GNOME Freeze and Ubuntu Feature Freeze now [12:30] so we can get the .1 release in without a problem [12:31] I hope Ubuntu never releases in the first half of October (or April) again [12:31] that is better [12:32] yes, it's a small thing that most people probably won't notice but it makes a pretty big difference :) [12:33] in a perfect world we would release with .2 [12:33] but that probably pushes it out too far [12:34] but generally speaking .1 is good enough for release [12:36] by shipping with .1, we can hopefully get some bugs reported in time for fixes in .2 before most of GNOME loses interest :/ [12:38] I think canonical will have to co-manage long-term releases for the LTS packages [12:39] its much easier doing it upstream [12:42] it's too bad Debian's schedule doesn't align with Ubuntu's [12:43] hmm wasnt that the whole point of ubuntu? a faster debian? [12:46] looking at the dates, it looks like it was also a reaction to the end of "Red Hat Linux" [12:46] but if Debian stable and Ubuntu LTS froze with the same GNOME version, it would be nice [12:47] let me extend that for you, and add RHEL into the mix [12:48] Mark said years ago that he'd be willing to shift Ubuntu's schedule a bit to get that grand alignment, but it might need to be all 3 [12:49] I don't know if that offer's still on the table, but the other 2 sides didn't seem to be that interested I guess [12:51] that would be good for everyone apart from redhat who invest huge amounts in the RHEL product [13:30] hey LinDol [13:30] long time no speak [13:30] darkxst, hi :) [13:30] haha [13:30] LinDol, I just got internet after 11months [13:31] oh why? [13:31] there was some problem? [13:31] random mountains in remote place [13:31] LinDol, you still doing transalations? [13:32] Yes :) [13:32] great! [13:32] but I was not able to translate on these days [13:32] because I was some busy [13:32] oh [13:32] but [13:32] our Ubuntu GNOME wiki is end of service right? [13:33] LinDol, because of mother day? [13:33] oh because of my job [13:33] I was hard working on these days [13:33] anyway [13:33] do you need to translate for? [13:34] LinDol, I need translate for I going to the UK in the middle of snow season and well bad luck] [13:35] not that my boss would understand your language [13:35] haha okay [13:36] could i ask to you why you go to UK? [13:36] https://2017.guadec.org/ [13:37] LinDol, yes ^ that [13:38] oh it is interesting :) [13:38] LinDol, a well earned break from work! [13:39] lol, that said lets see my bosses face in the morning when [13:39] I tell him I am going :P [13:41] haha [13:42] how long you will be staying in UK? [13:48] LinDol, a week or so [13:49] have a nice trip and study :) [13:49] anyway [13:49] if you need to learn or understand or translate to korean language [13:49] please let me know :) [13:49] LinDol, will do, keep up your good work with translations ;) [13:49] in the future :) [13:50] haha thank you :-) [13:50] oh by the way [13:50] i have a question. [13:50] sure ask ;) [13:50] about our Wiki(Ubuntu gnome wiki) [13:51] i have read ubuntu gnome's plan [13:51] so [13:51] our wiki will be ended? [13:51] LinDol, do you know more than us? [13:52] what does it mean? [13:52] I would expect that eventually Ubuntu GNOME wiki content will filter though [13:54] goodnight all [13:55] haha have a good night :) [13:55] see u :) [14:08] do you guys notice your syslog being spammed when using gnome-calendar? [14:09] org.gnome.Calendar[1579]: 09:50:51.0417 Gtk: #033[1;35mCRITICAL#033[0m: gtk_widget_get_realized: assertion 'GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed [14:09] tony1: happens here too. [14:10] bummer, i dont see a fix for it. I tried to report it. we will see I guess [14:11] maybe a dbus issue? [14:15] tony1: where did you report it? [14:18] jbicha: in the irc channel [14:19] #gnome-calendar [14:20] irc.gnome.org [14:20] I also found https://bugzilla.gnome.org/782610 [14:20] Gnome bug 782610 in General "Massive logging: gdk_pixbuf_from_pixdata()" [Normal,New] [15:00] bummer it is in 17.10 as well. although reported wrong [15:00] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1685805 [15:00] Ubuntu bug 1685805 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_realized: assertion 'GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed" [Undecided,Incomplete] [15:07] that bug isn't useful at all [15:10] just close it [15:10] :^) [15:12] as long as no one touches it, it should automatically close in 49 days [15:16] well as long as others are aware of it maybe it will be fixed soon? === neops42 is now known as neops [16:15] Hello! [16:16] Just connected via Weechat on my brand new Ubuntu Gnome installation! [16:17] Oh, I just realized I should be on #ubuntu :p === dreamcat4_ is now known as dreamcat4 [18:15] Hi, seems that processes launched by keybindings (uses gnome-settings-daemon) do not get env variables set by xinit. Can someone confirm ? Know a wrokaround ? Thanks === wyre_ is now known as wyre === nolsen is now known as Apple === Apple is now known as Guest97503 === Guest97503 is now known as noslen === noslen is now known as nolsen === swiss_ is now known as swiss [23:46] anyone notice nautilus-emblems does not work on a clean install with updates?