[01:00] <jbicha> robert_ancell: did you see that gnome-software/zesty got stuck in https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[01:01] <robert_ancell> jbicha, should be fixed in bug 1689425
[01:02] <jbicha> did you see that the current error in the phased-updates report is different than the one mentioned in that bug?
[01:03] <robert_ancell> jbicha, no
[01:04] <robert_ancell> jbicha, hmm, not sure if the last update triggered that one
[01:06] <jbicha> yeah, that's what I was wondering
[01:07] <jbicha> I liked phased-updates except when it's blocking an important update and I have to scratch my head to try to figure out what's not working
[01:07] <jbicha> we can ask bdmurray if he's willing to ignore that error?
[01:23] <jbicha> the phasing on webkit/xenial is funny, every other time it checks it pauses the rollout, but at least the % is still rising
[01:23] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/amd64/libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37
[01:24] <duflu> Actually, tangentially, is there someone able to implement/consider enhancements/fixes to errors.ubuntu.com?
[02:12] <Trevinho> Morning duflu
[02:15] <duflu> Morning Trevinho. How's it going?
[02:16] <Trevinho> duflu: good... But last week of Bali it seems :-(
[02:18] <duflu> Trevinho, yeah end-of-holiday comedown is bad
[02:18] <duflu> Usually post-holiday
[02:18] <Trevinho> duflu: it's not holiday! 😂
[02:19] <duflu> Although my definition of holiday is a time when you completely forget your job and how to do it...
[02:19] <Trevinho> The thing is that at this point I should have just spent more time in this area, maybe Australia too... But I'll do again in the future maybe.
[02:20] <Trevinho> And well, getting advantage of being remote in this way is just great
[02:23] <duflu> Trevinho: Nothing's happening down here. You missed nothing :)
[02:24] <Trevinho> duflu: I believe there's always something to feed your (mine, at least) curiosity anywhere you go
[02:26] <duflu> Trevinho: Did you get around the island much?
[02:28] <Trevinho> duflu: well... Just during weekends and national holidays, but I mostly all the things in my list. Just a few to scratch
[02:35] <duflu> Trevinho, I always wanted to see the volcanic lake(s), but never got there...
[02:36] <Trevinho> duflu: that's quite a cool hike
[02:36] <Trevinho> Quite busy, but the view is amazing
[02:41] <jbicha> robert_ancell: can you review https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-shell/ubuntu/revision/29
[02:42] <jbicha> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-shell/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/patches/ubuntu-lightdm-user-switching.patch
[04:27] <Trevinho> now that I'm leaving this coworking they've just upgraded the network to snappy-frendly speeds :-(
[05:50] <jibel> good morning
[07:43] <oSoMoN> good morning!
[08:00] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:00] <seb128> I'm back!
[08:00] <seb128> hey oSoMoN
[08:00] <jibel> Salut seb128
[08:01] <didrocks> wb seb128, hey oSoMoN, salut jibel
[08:01] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, didrocks, jibel
[08:01] <oSoMoN> seb128, had a good holiday?
[08:02] <seb128> hey jibel, welcome on board!
[08:02] <jibel> thanks
[08:02] <seb128> re didrocks, hey willcooke
[08:03] <Laney> moin
[08:03] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:03] <seb128> oSoMoN, useful time off indeed
[08:03] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:05] <willcooke> morning
[08:05] <willcooke> hi papa seb128
[08:06] <seb128> haha
[08:07] <Laney> hey didrocks hey seb128 hey willcooke!
[08:07] <Laney> how do?
[08:08] <willcooke> Having to put the light on today
[08:08] <willcooke> too dark in here
[08:09] <seb128> it's nice&sunny here
[08:09] <Laney> so pleased
[08:44] <andyrock> morning
[08:50] <willcooke> hey andyrock, welcome to full time employment ;D
[09:00] <andyrock> thank :S
[09:00] <andyrock> :D
[09:12] <Trevinho> hi babbo seb128 !!! :-D
[09:13] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[09:13] <seb128> Trevinho, sorry, saw your message the other day but it was a bit busy here and I forgot to reply
[09:13] <seb128> hey andyrock, welcome on board as full time employee
[09:13] <Trevinho> seb128: no worries... I know the timing isn't the best for dealing with all the things ;-)
[09:13] <andyrock> seb128: thanks!
[09:13] <Trevinho> seb128: but I hope you're all fine!
[09:19] <seb128> Trevinho, it is, thanks
[09:19] <Trevinho> Glad tohear
[09:19] <Trevinho> how is your sleep time? :D
[09:20] <seb128> chaotic
[09:20] <seb128> but it's ok, as a geek I know how to deal with that
[09:21] <seb128> :-)
[09:43] <Trevinho> ehehe, sure... ;-)
[10:14] <andyrock> hey seb128, where is the code for the "Online Accounts" panel in System Settings
[10:14] <andyrock> there is nothing in unity-control-center/panels
[10:24] <seb128> andyrock, talking Unity, not gnome right?
[10:26] <seb128> andyrock, https://code.launchpad.net/gnome-control-center-signon
[10:30] <andyrock> thanks
[10:35] <Laney> right so
[10:35] <Laney> I've got Ken's pkg that turns off the Mir backend in GTK
[10:35] <Laney> 5 minutes to scream before I fire ze missiles
[10:36]  * willcooke gets under the desk 
[10:45] <Laney> the only thing is that it removes some symbols
[10:45] <Trevinho> sil2100: when you've a sec, please publish this https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2760
[10:45] <seb128> Laney, willcooke, I guess we stop mir support for desktop usecases?
[10:45] <willcooke> seb128, yah
[10:45] <sil2100> Trevinho: looking
[10:45] <seb128> k
[10:45] <Laney> seb128: I think they even want to SRU that
[10:45] <seb128> why?!
[10:46] <seb128> it's not like having an experimental gtk backend built in zesty would hurt anyone
[10:46] <sil2100> Trevinho: will the autopkgtests pass? I always preferred to have those available already
[10:46] <seb128> I wouldn't bother
[10:46] <Laney> in xenial, not sure about other releases
[10:46] <seb128> removing mir?
[10:46] <seb128> or just gtkmir?
[10:46] <Trevinho> sil2100: well, nothing changed package side for that... But if you want feel free to wait
[10:46] <Laney> I think it's something like - deprecated/removed API, breaking projects -> remove them
[10:47] <Trevinho> Anyone here got GS running in wayland from jhbuild? :-)
[10:47] <Laney> don't know about GTK specifically, but other desktop things
[10:47] <seb128> k
[10:47] <sil2100> Trevinho: I guess I won't wait, if it fails we'll see it on the main infra
[10:49] <Laney> Trevinho: Session, Shell, Software, Sudoku, Screensaver?
[10:50] <Trevinho> Laney: I've jhbuild here with installed most of things, no session as main one should be fine, nor screensaver... But my GS starts in X
[10:50] <Trevinho> I've also recompiled XWayland but for some reason that doesn't start
[10:51] <Laney> I'm saying that GS means like 10 things
[10:51] <Laney> do you mean gnome-shell?
[10:51] <Trevinho> Laney: ah, sure
[10:52] <Trevinho> As I'm looking at the point scaling these days
[10:52] <Laney> yeah sorry, no idea :P
[10:52] <Laney> probably #gnome-shell would be the place
[10:53] <Trevinho> yeah, I'm speaking with people from there... I was just wondering if someone here had an ubuntu setup for that.
[11:02] <Trevinho> Laney: ah I've also changed the theme as you liked more
[11:03] <Trevinho> only for those tho
[11:03] <Trevinho> (those buttons)
[11:04] <Laney> Trevinho: ok, feel free to publish
[11:04] <Laney> thanks!
[11:05] <Laney> ah wait
[11:06] <Trevinho> what?
[11:06] <Laney> https://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/minheight.png
[11:07] <Laney> do you think the titlebar is too small there?
[11:07] <Laney> looks like a missing min-height
[11:07] <Trevinho> yeah...
[11:07] <Trevinho> It actually is defined
[11:07] <Trevinho> not sure why that happens :|
[11:07] <Trevinho> I've not a program to repropduce
[11:07] <Trevinho> or... yeah. I have
[11:07] <Trevinho> let me see
[11:07] <Laney> there's one :P
[11:08] <Trevinho> Laney: sure, but that is hard to get in my window :)
[11:09]  * Trevinho broke is GS
[11:09] <Trevinho> how  is that possible if I only touched jhbuild... mhmh
[11:36] <Trevinho> Laney: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/messagedialog-minheight/+merge/324052
[11:36] <Trevinho> not's are needed here
[11:36] <Laney> hahaha
[11:36] <Laney> of course they are
[11:36] <Laney> Trevinho loves the not
[11:36] <Trevinho> well, might not... but... still :)
[11:37] <Laney> Trevinho: got a screenshot?
[11:38] <Trevinho> Laney: ops... no... but just paste that in yours ctrl+shift+d/u
[11:38] <Trevinho> s/u/i/
[11:38] <Laney> hmm
[11:38] <Laney> where can I get one easily?
[11:38] <Laney> a dialog
[11:38] <Trevinho> Laney: terminal has one when you try to close it but it has a child open
[11:38] <Trevinho> but... i think that was fine even before
[11:39] <Trevinho> Laney: make something crash :-D
[11:41] <Laney> why don't we set min-height on all titlebars?
[11:43] <Trevinho> Laney: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24580502/
[11:43] <Laney> heh
[11:44] <Laney> you hax0r
[11:45] <Trevinho> Laney: real one would have said
[11:45] <Trevinho> python -c 'from gi.repository import Gtk; Gtk.MessageDialog().run()'
[11:45] <Trevinho> with some obfuscation :-D
[11:46] <Trevinho> as for the min height for all the widgets... Mhmh, even adwaita does some selection, I'd avoid it for now, unless we donèt
[11:46] <Trevinho> don't find something that doesn't work as we want
[11:48] <Laney> i'm annoyed by how complicated the theme is
[11:57] <jbicha> Laney: we could probably do gtk3 3.22.15 at the same time as the mir removal for artful
[11:58] <Laney> +  [ Iain Lane ]
[11:58] <Laney> +  * New upstream release 3.12.15 (also includes 14, 13).
[12:00] <jbicha> thanks
[12:04] <Trevinho> jbicha: hey, maybe you can help about the jhbuild + wayland session?
[12:05] <jbicha> Trevinho: I don't think you can directly use jhbuild to run GNOME Shell on Wayland
[12:06] <Trevinho> jbicha: I need to create a gdm instance, I know...
[12:06] <jbicha> you probably know more than me then!
[12:07] <jbicha> if I had to test something like that, I would just patch the distro package and install that
[12:10] <muktupavels> Trevinho: create script that will start your jhbuild session and then install session desktop file in /usr/share/wayland-sessions. then you can select that session from lightdm/gdm.
[12:11] <muktupavels> Trevinho: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24580591/
[12:11] <Trevinho> muktupavels: basically it's what I've done...
[12:11] <Trevinho> mhmh
[12:11] <muktupavels> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24580593/
[12:11] <Trevinho> mh, something different tho, let me see that
[12:12] <muktupavels> that is how I am starting sessions built in jhbuild, but I use lightdm and second seat for that.
[12:12] <jbicha> I've had trouble with gdm not giving me an option for new sessions until I restart gdm
[12:12] <Trevinho> muktupavels: i'm with lightdm too now
[12:12] <Trevinho> jbicha: well, same is for lightdm...
[12:13] <Trevinho> muktupavels: the fact that my jhbuild is only installed for the user is a problem?
[12:13] <muktupavels> only ligthdm + second seat + wayland has some problems.
[12:13] <Trevinho> muktupavels: as I guess it should not...
[12:13] <Trevinho> but...
[12:14] <muktupavels> I dont know, just posted what I use and what works for me.
[12:15] <Trevinho> muktupavels: mh, ok.... I don't get any debugging in journalctl tho
[12:15] <muktupavels> I also had to symlink some typlib files into prefix to get gnome-shell working
[12:16] <muktupavels> I have errors and debug messages in journalctl...
[12:17] <muktupavels> try to add --debug to gnome-session?
[12:17] <Trevinho> yeah, tried that... but it doesn't see
[12:17] <Trevinho> m to go
[12:18] <muktupavels> does lightdm executes your script?
[12:20] <muktupavels> maybe try same with x11 session?
[14:26] <mhall119> willcooke: I've added a calendar event tomorrow at 1pm my time to talk about KDE snap work, if that's too late in your day let me know
[14:26] <willcooke> mhall119, ah nice one, thanks
[15:08] <jbicha> Laney: do you want to sync appstream-glib from experimental?
[15:08] <Laney> check artful-changes
[16:07] <Laney> huh
[16:07] <Laney> gtk went straight in
[16:07] <Laney> unless someone else retried stuff
[16:10] <jbicha> that's a good thing, right?
[16:10] <jbicha> I didn't retry anything gtk
[16:10] <Laney> of course it's a good thing
[16:11] <Laney> it's also a surprising thing
[16:11] <Laney> well I suppose the always faileds aren't that good
[16:11] <Laney> aptdaemon, flatpak, gtk4, update-manager
[17:33] <Laney> night
[17:43] <oSoMoN> night
[18:30] <willcooke> bleh,  calling it a day.  See you all tomorrow
[21:07] <huggybear404>  on ubuntu desktop 17.04 I search samba and realvnc not find under software ? remote desktop installed but vnc viewer fails connect, any tips ?
[21:35] <jbicha> robert_ancell: good morning, did you see my ping yesterday about gnome-shell's locking with lightdm?
[21:36] <robert_ancell> jbicha, no, but I see it now..
[21:36] <robert_ancell> jbicha, don't you have commit access to the branches?
[21:36] <jbicha> robert_ancell: yes, I went ahead and pushed it into artful
[21:37] <jbicha> I was just curious if it looks right because I'd like to SRU it back to xenial
[21:38] <robert_ancell> jbicha, what does this._lightdmLoginSession() do?
[21:38] <jbicha> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-shell/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/patches/ubuntu-lightdm-user-switching.patch
[21:40] <robert_ancell> jbicha, oh, so that's the switch user button on the lock screen?
[21:41] <jbicha> it's the lock button in gnome-shell's system status menu in the top right
[21:43] <jbicha> when I used d-feet to run lightdm's Lock method, it looked like it gave me the same result as SwitchToGreeter so I just extended the gnome-shell patch that already called SwitchToGreeter
[21:44] <robert_ancell> jbicha, why not use the gnome-shell lock screen?
[21:44] <jbicha> I thought that depended on running gdm?
[21:45] <jbicha> the canLock line was what was keeping the lock button from showing when we were using lightdm
[21:46] <robert_ancell> jbicha, oh, right. I guess for now that's an OK solution. The long term is to make g-s use the lightdm interface (I have a patch in progress)
[21:46] <jbicha> are you ok with me SRUing this now then?
[21:48] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I don't see the value in SRUing it personally, because I'm not sure if there's many cases of people using g-s and LightDM in Xenial. But it's up to you.
[21:49] <jbicha> I think there are quite a few people on Ubuntu who are installing gnome-shell just to see what it's all about
[21:50] <robert_ancell> jbicha, does it matter to them if the lock works?
[21:50] <jbicha> I think I'm going to drop gnome-shell's dependency on gdm and SRU that
[21:51] <jbicha> those who install ubuntu-gnome-desktop will still get the annoying debconf question about whether they want to use gdm or lightdm with no context to know what is the right answer
[21:51] <jbicha> but at least those who only install gnome-shell can avoid that problem
[21:52] <jbicha> yes, Ubuntu gets blamed if things like the lock button don't work, even if it's not completely Ubuntu's fault here
[21:53] <robert_ancell> Dropping the dep definitely sounds useful.
[21:54] <jbicha> yup, I dropped it in artful as part of the MIR already
[21:58] <huggybear404> does anyone know how to make desktop sharing or samba work on ubuntu 17 ?