[01:55] nearly meeting time [01:55] * pleia2 nods [01:59] I wish this diff was less awful [02:00] but I'm sure nhaines will give us the cliff notes and we can dig in from there :) [02:00] All diffs are awful. But that one is particularly pessimal. :) [02:01] meeting time :) [02:01] Yup! :) [02:02] #startmeeting [02:02] Meeting started Mon May 15 02:02:02 2017 UTC. The chair is nhaines. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [02:02] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [02:02] #chair pleia2 lyn||ian [02:02] Current chairs: lyn||ian nhaines pleia2 [02:02] Welcome to the May 14th Ubuntu California LoCo meeting! [02:02] Tonight's agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/17May14 [02:02] Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/17May14 - Ubuntu Wiki] [02:03] #topic Upcoming events [02:03] It's May, Ubuntu 17.04 has been released, and summer's coming up. What's going on? :) [02:03] alas, nothing up here so far [02:04] Nor down here. [02:04] Although the Ubuntu Hours in Pasadena continue happily, as I understand it. [02:04] our focus has mostly shifted to LTS for our releases parties [02:04] (I'm around but multitasking right now.) [02:04] we haven't had an Ubuntu Hour in some time either, but there is someone interested in picking up where I left off [02:05] That's good to hear! [02:05] Ubuntu Hours are good ways to sort of keep up to date with that's going on in the Ubuntu world. [02:06] #topic Announcements [02:06] Are there any other announcements this week? [02:06] * lyn||ian does not have any [02:07] nothing from me either [02:07] Okay then, moving on to agenda items. [02:07] #topic Final discussion of leadership document amendments before proceeding to a vote [02:08] So on February 19th, I proposed an amendment to our leadership document. [02:08] There's been no discussion on the mailing list and therefore I assume 100% unanimous assent from the LoCo. :P [02:09] nhaines, link now I do not remember any complaints to it [02:09] hehe [02:09] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NathanHaines/CaliforniaLeadershipDocument?action=diff&rev2=2&rev1=1 [02:09] Title: [Diff for "NathanHaines/CaliforniaLeadershipDocument" - Ubuntu Wiki] [02:09] the diff of changes [02:09] nhaines: care to summarize? [02:10] Our current document is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Leadership [02:10] Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Leadership - Ubuntu Wiki] [02:10] And the proposed new document is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NathanHaines/CaliforniaLeadershipDocument [02:10] Title: [NathanHaines/CaliforniaLeadershipDocument - Ubuntu Wiki] [02:10] #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2017-February/002782.html [02:10] Title: [[Ubuntu-US-CA] Proposed amendment to the Ubuntu Californialeadership document.] [02:10] ^ Original email about the proposed changes from February [02:11] The amendments basically just change references to "leadership council" to "leadership role." [02:11] and make that one person instead of a three person council, obviously [02:11] The intention is to allow a single elected leader rather than an elected triumvirate, but also to allow a group or two or three leaders in the future if needed. [02:12] i read the document back in February, am in favor of it [02:12] I like increasing the flexibility here [02:12] yes increased flexibility sounds good [02:12] I think the trio served its purpose for a time, but we don't want to be locked into something forever if it's not working for us [02:12] There's some other silliness in the document, but I haven't changed any of that. :) [02:13] If we had more activity I'd want more pondering of it, but until/unless that happens I think one caretaker/leader is fine. [02:13] pleia2: yes, and with the lack of leader nominations this last time around, I don't think the group is big enough to support three leaders. [02:13] * pleia2 nods [02:14] yes nhaines [02:14] Which is different from whether or not we *need* three leaders, but I don't think we do, either. :) [02:14] In any case, I wanted to give the group a last chance to comment before I called for a vote. [02:15] Once the vote on the changes is finished, we can make another call for nominations and do a leadership vote. [02:15] thank you for your work on this, sorry it's taken so long to finally talk about it :) [02:15] nothing else from me though [02:16] It's okay. SCALE and then other things were in the way. :) [02:16] Let's vote on whether we should vote. [02:16] hehe [02:16] #vote Put proposed leadership document amendment to a LoCo-wide vote for ratification. [02:16] Please vote on: Put proposed leadership document amendment to a LoCo-wide vote for ratification. [02:16] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [02:16] +1 [02:16] +1 received from nhaines [02:16] +1 [02:16] +1 received from pleia2 [02:16] +1 [02:16] +1 received from dax [02:17] +1 [02:17] +1 received from lyn||ian [02:17] #endvote [02:17] Voting ended on: Put proposed leadership document amendment to a LoCo-wide vote for ratification. [02:17] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [02:17] Motion carried [02:17] just going to toss a simple poll up in launchpad/ [02:17] ? [02:17] That or we can send out a condor-seat ballot to the LoCo. [02:18] collecting emails for that is D: [02:18] That's okay though, because I'm not the one who has to do it. [02:18] and it's just a yes/no anyway, right? [02:18] Right. [02:19] so condorcet is not so great for it :) [02:19] last/only previous amendment was just approved by IRC vote. If you want a non-IRC thing I'd just LP it [02:19] well, I can set that up [02:19] dax: that's something I should've looked up then. [02:19] Do we want to LP it or should we just do an IRC vote next meeting? [02:20] pleia2: would LP be easy? [02:20] lp is easy and open to more people, irc is hard and I'll be on a train during the next meeting [02:20] I vote LP then [02:20] Let's vote on how we should vote for the vote. [02:20] Nah. I think LP works. [02:20] #action pleia2 to set up lp poll for leadership document amendment radification [02:20] ACTION: pleia2 to set up lp poll for leadership document amendment radification [02:21] I find that typo especially pleasing and fitting for a California LoCo vote. :) [02:21] pleia2: you'll be a California native yet! [02:21] hahahah [02:22] raaaad [02:22] Okay, I think everything's all set for that, then. [02:22] #topic Other business [02:22] Any other business this week? [02:22] * lyn||ian has none [02:23] I don't think so [02:23] Okay, I think that's it for this meeting then. [02:23] Happy Mother's Day to any mothers and aunts and mentors out there! [02:23] thanks for chairing \o/ [02:24] Our next meeting will be May 28th. [02:24] #endmeeting [02:24] Meeting ended Mon May 15 02:24:25 2017 UTC. [02:24] Minutes: http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2017/ubuntu-us-ca.2017-05-15-02.02.moin.txt [02:24] Now to squint at Jekyll some more. [02:24] true story: I looked up the proper spelling of amendment and then went to town on radification [02:24] Haha! [02:25] I had to double check that "assent" meant what I thought it did. (It did.) [02:25] English is tough [02:25] especially the way we speak it [02:26] Relevant: http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1993/02/11 [02:26] Title: [Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson for Feb 11, 1993 | Read Comic Strips at GoComics.com] [02:26] hehe [02:28] I was worried about needing to learn SASS/SCSS to convert my existing hand-made stylesheet to the Jekyll engine. [02:28] But then I learned that SASS is basically just the way I *think* CSS should work. [02:30] Also my modus operandus of "I don't have a good justification but I'm going to start writing all my blog posts in Markdown" last year turned out to be totally justified. [02:31] (Well, the real reason is that I thought I might move to Mezzanine but still had to post to LiveJournal in the meantime. But in any case, it all worked out.) [02:32] would be nice if launchpad told me the date/time format it wants in the poll *shakesfist* and googles [02:33] heh https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/262205 [02:33] Title: [Bug #262205 (polls) “Dates in Launchpad polls should be easy to ...” : Bugs : Launchpad itself] [02:33] Won't Fix, sad [02:34] * pleia2 metoos anyway [02:35] why would I every say something with lp is easy? [02:37] A poll cannot open less than 12 hours after it's created. [02:37] fml [02:37] Can't *open*? [02:38] I'm totally not going to be around for the June 11th meeting. [02:39] lol Launchpad [02:40] btw, %Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S [02:40] so, correct :P? === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-ca to: Website: http://ubuntu-california.org (has links to mailing list, forum, and more!) | Next Meeting: Sunday, May 28th, at 7:00pm PDT (UTC -7:00) This channel is logged at irclogs.ubuntu.com | We have an unlogged channel at #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic [02:42] ok, hopefully this works ...in 12 hours when it opens :P https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california/+poll/2017-leadership-amendment [02:42] Title: [Ratification of the 2017 leadership document amendment : “Ubuntu California” team] [02:42] I'll send out an email in the AM if it looks sane [02:45] \o/ [02:45] i tried to vote but I can't vote. [02:45] Although apparently I can sabotage the voting options, so there's that. [02:46] pleia2: How do you feel about GNOME Shell? [02:47] xfce4ever [02:47] I'm considering downgrading to Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and reevaluating whether or not to run Ubuntu in 2020. [02:48] Although I do sort of like MATE. [02:48] at the risk of being annoying, MATE works fine on Debian :) [02:49] I've never really used any form of GNOME, and I continue to lack interest in trying it out [02:49] i have gnome shell on a laptop right now. it's okay [02:49] don't really feel strongly about it one way or another [02:49] The non-core GNOME apps are great. The GNOME Project is toxic and the worst thing to happen to Free Software. [02:50] Maybe that's changed in the past couple of years but I lack time or motivation to find out. [02:51] Although having spent hours using GNOME Software for the second edition of my book, I can honestly say it's terrible compared to Ubuntu Software Center. [02:51] When GNOME Software even worked, anyway. Because it broke a couple times and I had to revert back to a clean-install snapshot to get any listings. [02:53] But GNOME's position seems to be "People should never install fonts." [02:53] Or command line apps, unless it's Nethack, in which case only allow the console version to be installed and do not offer the GTK version. [02:54] The only software GUI that doesn't annoy me greatly is synaptic [02:54] All the "friendlier" ones are not for me. [02:54] I didn't use Ubuntu Software Center a lot, but at least it worked. [03:08] alright, email is prepped so I just need to check the poll and hit send before airport in the AM [03:11] yay! [03:11] I think lubuntu-software-center was better than gnome-software [03:11] Thanks for doing all that. :) [03:11] but not maintained anymore