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andyrockgood morning05:30
oSoMoNgood morning andyrock!05:40
jibelgood morning06:43
Trevinhomorning europe08:00
Laneymoin08:01
* willcooke waves08:01
didrocksmorning guys08:02
Laneywhat's up g08:02
dufluStart again... Morning Europe08:59
willcookehi duflu09:00
dufluHey willcooke09:00
duflu(I actually said Morning Europe in a Ukranian accent)09:00
Trevinhohi duflu09:14
TrevinhoLaney: did you see my new theme MP, right?09:14
Laneynot unless you asked me for a review09:14
TrevinhoLaney: ok it's here then https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/gtk-theme-colors-define/+merge/32409109:15
dufluHey Trevinho09:15
muktupavelsTrevinho: if you work on theme then maybe you want fix/improve appmenu button style? Currently it does not look good.09:29
Trevinhomuktupavels: I checked that... BUt it didn't look bad to me09:29
Trevinhomuktupavels: in csd you mean?09:30
muktupavelsyes09:30
chrisccoulsonhi willcooke09:30
chrisccoulsondid you talk to anyone about the startpage on friday?09:30
muktupavelsTrevinho: icon is more or less same size as button...09:31
Trevinhomuktupavels: anyway, well... Theme is a side thing, when I find something I fix that :)09:32
oSoMoNchrisccoulson, I’ve got a chromium-browser stable update ready in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages (except for yakkety arm64 which repeatedly fails to build). Is it ok to push to -updates for all series but yakkety until I figure out how to get the arm64 build not to die of memory exhaustion?09:39
oSoMoNinterestingly, I was seeing that same build failure on beta and dev, but the latest updates built fine in my PPAs, wondering if it’s due to a change upstream or different builder specs09:41
* willcooke -> haircut. brb10:32
Laneygrade 1 all over10:33
willcookeback.  Ears lowered11:06
mobeatsGreetings. What's a lightweight desktop application for cropping images, that isn't as heavy duty as GIMP?11:12
oSoMoNIIRC shotwell does cropping11:23
willcookeor mtpaint11:23
willcookebetter to ask on #ubuntu for this sort of thing though - those guys will have a better idea11:24
jibelimagemagick11:24
jibelthere are tons of options11:24
TrevinhoLaney: are you fine with me landing the theme, right?11:53
Laneysure11:53
Trevinhoin the queue!11:54
jbichagood morning12:20
willcookehey jbicha12:56
GunnarHjseb128: Hi Seb, do you have any thoughts about bug #1689321?14:24
ubot5bug 1689321 in gnome-user-docs (Ubuntu) "Keep the desktop docs away from the language packs" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168932114:24
seb128GunnarHj, hey, how do we ensure the right binaries for the locale are installed?14:25
GunnarHjseb128: Do you mean for gnome-getting-started-docs? pkg_depends, I suppose.14:27
GunnarHjseb128: My thought is to not split ubuntu-docs and gnome-user-docs into multiple language specific binaries.14:28
seb128GunnarHj, what would be the size impact on the iso?14:28
mobeatsthanks willcooke & oSoMoN14:29
oSoMoNyou’re welcome14:29
GunnarHjseb128: Approximately +10 MiB.14:30
jbichait looks like gnome-user-guide .deb for zesty/universe is 10.7MB, installed size 49MB14:32
seb128it's always tricky14:32
GunnarHjjbicha: Right. ubuntu-docs in zesty (only English) is 1.1 MiB.14:34
seb128if we wave 10M additions as small they pile up14:34
seb128and you easily end up with 15% increase14:34
seb128and that has an impact on download time, installation time and footprint, mirrors, bandwith, etc14:34
jbichain artful (maybe it's already stripped since there was a new upload after it was re-promoted to main), it's a 2.2MB .deb14:35
GunnarHjI have some good news on the topic: fonts-noto-cjk will probably be split by weights, which will give us tens of MB less ISO space. :)14:35
GunnarHjjbicha: Then is must have been stripped...14:37
GunnarHjseb128, jbicha: So we are talking about 10.7 - 2.2 = 8.5 MiB. Is saving that space worth the work with splitting the package into14:42
GunnarHj~30 language specific packages?14:43
seb128I would just keep it in the langpacks14:44
GunnarHjseb128: That in effect prevents us from doing docs SRUs.14:44
seb128I don't really understand why14:45
jbichait's also an issue if upstream produces a new translation update of gnome-user-docs; because the translations won't get to users until we get around to making another language pack14:46
GunnarHjseb128: I tried to explain it in the bug report.14:46
jbichaI think Gunnar is saying that the Docs team can't change any strings or translations will break until the next langpack is done14:46
seb128why?14:47
jbichathat's true even if Ubuntu translators correct the translations to match the new text14:47
seb128you can't change strings anyway14:47
seb128nothing assure you that all translation teams will pick up the new strings beforfe your upload14:48
seb128so you might regress even without stripping14:48
GunnarHjseb128, jbicha: Not only translation will break, the content changes won't be present in other languages but English until the language packs are updated. And we only update langpacks for verified languages, which is far from all of them.14:48
seb128you shouldn't change strings in a SRU14:48
seb128outdated content is the same14:48
seb128if some translations team are slow or unstaffed you regress the same way, even without split14:49
seb128and if langpacks updates are not well verified that's another issue and seems worth resolving14:49
GunnarHjseb128, jbicha: I'm not suggesting that SRUing of the docs would be done for extensive parts. But as it works now, we can't even fix an apparently misleading section.14:50
GunnarHjAnd yes, doing it typically leads to additional untranslated strings.14:52
seb128which is not better than misleading sections14:53
seb128if users don't understand english they go from misleading to not understandable14:53
seb128but yeah, tricky topic14:53
GunnarHjseb128: Then they aren't misled, at least. :)14:54
seb128it might be worth an ubuntu-devel or desktop@ list discussion14:54
GunnarHjseb128: Do you mean to discuss the appropriateness of doing docs SRUs there?14:55
jbichaI'm not sure if this is related, but I'd like to encourage translators to translate gnome-user-docs in GNOME rather than in LP14:55
seb128GunnarHj, no, about the strip or unstrip with pro and con14:56
GunnarHjseb128: But that boils down to that, doesn't it?14:57
seb128GunnarHj, I'm unsure how often we need to fix docs in SRUs in practice and important are those fixes, if it's worth increasing by 1% or more the iso size with the impact on all users download/install time/disk use14:57
seb128GunnarHj, right, are those docs errors important enough to justify adding cost to all Ubuntu users14:57
jbichahow do we opt gnome-getting-started-docs out of the langpacks? since it's already split by language, stripping for langpacks doesn't make any sense there14:58
seb128it might make sense14:58
seb128it allows to get translations updated through launchpad14:58
GunnarHjseb128: Is it a good idea to use LP for gnome-user-docs and gnome-getting-started-docs?14:59
seb128if you don't strip/use langpacks then you need to fix translations errors by patching the source package and SRUing it14:59
jbichasorry for asking a silly question, but why would we want translations through LP for the GNOME docs that haven't been patched in Ubuntu?14:59
seb128GunnarHj, that's a good question, I didn't think much about that so I don't have an opinion at the moment15:00
seb128jbicha, because that's where Ubuntu translations go to fix translations errors and one of the reason why we did langpacks, so we could fix translations without having to do a source upload15:00
GunnarHjseb128: I agree with jbicha that we should encourage the translators do work with upstream, and that would basically make LP redundant.15:01
seb128what part of LP?15:01
seb128we can make LP use the upstream translations15:01
seb128we still get langpack updates decoupled from source uploads15:01
seb128LP as the UI were translators do they work is one side of the process15:03
GunnarHjseb128: Right, but it means that translators may do work in LP which does not benefit upstream...15:03
seb128right, well we have a solution to that15:03
seb128set the translation as shared with the upstream component15:03
GunnarHjIs that possible?15:03
jbichawould that require GNOME to allow git commits from LP translations?15:04
seb128no?15:04
seb128that would mean Ubuntu translators can't fix bugs on launchpad and need to fix them upstream15:04
seb128but we would keep the capability to refresh translations with langpacks15:05
seb128the update would just come to upstream git15:05
seb128GunnarHj, I think https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/eog/+sharing-details15:05
seb128" Translation sharing with upstream is active. "15:05
jbichaso we would need to manually make sure GNOME has a string freeze and git-branch for a series (like gnome-3-24) and point LP to that branch?15:07
GunnarHjOk, so you mean that with such a link, LP could import new translations from upstream automatically, and we have the option to update the langpacks.15:07
seb128something like that15:07
seb128k, need to drop offline for a bit, relocating before the meeting15:08
seb128bbiab15:08
GunnarHjjbicha: This discussion turned more complicated than I anticipated.15:09
jbichayes, there's so much I still don't understand about how Ubuntu's langpacks and translations work15:26
* willcooke rings the meeting bell15:30
willcooke#startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2017-05-1615:30
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willcookeRoll call: andyrock, jbicha, jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)15:30
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willcookeJust finishing up a call, be with you in a sec15:32
andyrocko/15:32
willcookedone15:32
willcookeLet's get the ball rolling15:33
willcooke#topic andyrock15:33
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andyrockhey15:33
andyrock#1 Finishing the process to pass the cr15:33
andyrock+mir work to brandon15:33
andyrock#2 Some work to sync cr+mir with cr+wayland from igalia15:33
andyrock#3 live-patch: studying the all thing15:34
andyrock#4 check what we need to do with livepatch + ubuntuone account15:34
andyrockeof15:34
willcookethanks andyrock15:34
willcooke#topic jbicha15:34
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jbicha• Prepared gnome-shell SRUs (LP: #1684205, LP: #1690938, LP: #1589240, LP: #1672175)15:34
ubot5Launchpad bug 1684205 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu Zesty) "Screen lock button missing when using LightDM" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168420515:34
ubot5Launchpad bug 1690938 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu Zesty) "Allow lightdm to be an alternate recommends for gdm3" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/169093815:34
ubot5Launchpad bug 1589240 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu Zesty) "Gnome on-screen keyboard doesn't appear when a text field is focused" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158924015:34
ubot5Launchpad bug 1672175 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu Yakkety) "gnome-shell should recommend chrome-gnome-shell" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/167217515:34
jbicha• Completed webkitgtk fast-track SRU (LP: #1687019)15:34
ubot5Launchpad bug 1687019 in WebKit "Cannot add a Google account using Online Accounts in Ubuntu Gnome" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168701915:34
jbicha• Some GNOME 3.24.2 updates15:35
jbicha• Closed a few hundred gnome-shell bugs for unsupported versions15:35
jbicha• Worked with bdmurray to modify apport to tell bug-reporting users of the GNOME3 PPA for 16.04 and 14.04 to ppa-purge the PPA since it's no longer supported on those releases (LP: #1689093)15:35
ubot5Launchpad bug 1689093 in apport (Ubuntu Xenial) "modify ubuntu-gnome hook to set UnreportableReason for 14.04 and 16.04" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168909315:35
jbicha• Forwarded several crash reports for gnome-calendar and gnome-shell to GNOME15:35
jbicha• Scheduled https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeremyBicha/CoreDevApplication for next Monday15:35
jbichaeof15:35
seb128(sorry, relocating took a bit longer that I though)15:35
willcookeGood luck with the coredev jbicha.15:35
willcooke#topic jibel15:35
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willcookeHey jibel, you want to handle this or heber?15:36
heberHi! Status for jibel (who is in a dr appointment) and myself15:36
willcookethanks heber15:36
heber* Removed obsolete upgrade tests.15:36
heber* Added upgrade tests from Zesty to Artful for Ubuntu and flavors15:36
heber+ and currently making them green15:36
heber* Installer tests: Fixing static validation jobs15:36
heberEOF15:36
willcookethanks heber15:36
willcookeheber - I'll get 1:1s set up etc this week15:36
heberwillcooke, ok. Thanks!15:37
willcooke#topic kenvandine15:37
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kenvandine* Snapped some GNOME apps, gedit and gnome-calendar are working well in classic mode.  gnome-terminal and gnome-contacts are a WIP.  More coming15:37
kenvandine  - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/GNOME/Snaps15:37
kenvandine* Uploaded SRU for network-manager-applet to xenial, installed xenial on a laptop to test the SRU.15:37
kenvandine* MIR status, security acks for mozjs38 and gjs, still waiting on acks from MIR team15:37
kenvandine* Upgraded laptop to Artful, works great :)15:37
kenvandineEOF15:37
willcookethanks kenvandine15:37
willcooke#topic Laney15:37
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Laney• gstreamer 1.12 final15:38
Laney• asglib update @ debian/exp & artful15:38
Laney• new gtk15:38
Laney• debugging s390x autopkgtest workers crashing15:38
Laney• ubiquity launcher in daily images wasn't being marked as executable, change in new nautilus - fix that in casper15:38
Laney• theme reviews for Marcoooooo15:38
Laney• pygobject update @ experimental15:38
Laney• gnome-software - some debugging of updates not working, now looking at pk/gstreamer15:38
Laney15:38
willcookeThanks Laney15:38
willcooke#topic oSoMoN15:38
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oSoMoN• weekly round of chromium updates: stable 58.0.3029.110, beta 59.0.3071.47, dev 60.0.3095.515:39
oSoMoN• subscribed to the officesecurity ML15:39
oSoMoN• built libreoffice 5.3.3 (latest fresh release) for artful in PPA, figured out how to run autopkgtests locally and looking into some failures15:39
oSoMoNEOF15:39
willcookethanks oSoMoN15:39
willcooke#topic seb12815:39
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seb128just back since yesterday, been catching up on what happened while I was away15:39
seb128</monday>15:39
willcookewb seb128!15:40
seb128thanks!15:40
willcooke#topic tkamppeter15:40
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tkamppeter- cups-filters: Released 1.14.0. New configuration option for auto setup of only local (IPP-over-USB) IPP printers and possibility to change default to auto-setup of all driverless printers by ./configure option, for easier syncing of the Debian package into Ubuntu.15:40
tkamppeter- cups-filters: Studied way how to continue development of cups-browsed to make use of the new CUPS 2.2.x features and taking into account the functionality of the new print dialog backends.15:40
tkamppeter- CUPS: Discussed some of the new CUPS features with Mike Sweet and found out that in small networks and on mobile devices new print dialog can replace cups-browsed, but for sophisticated features in large networks cups-browsed is useful: load balancing, legacy CUPS interoperability, selecting remote printers, ...15:40
tkamppeter- Google Summer of Code 2017: Mentoring the students who already started some coding, planning of the student projects.15:40
tkamppeter- Bugs.15:40
willcookethanks tkamppeter15:40
willcooke#topic Trevinho15:40
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* willcooke expects he's asleep15:40
Laneywe just saw him15:40
Trevinhoyes15:40
andyrockhe's never asleep15:40
willcooke:))15:41
Laneyhe looked GREAT15:41
Laneynot drunk at all15:41
oSoMoN:)15:41
Trevinho· Theme GTK fixes15:41
Trevinho· Got all the gnome git stuff working from jhbuild15:41
Trevinho· Looking at the gnome scaling factor support for non-integer values15:41
TrevinhoLaney: what are you meaning?!15:41
TrevinhoThat was dinner!15:41
Trevinho:-)15:41
Laneyliquid dinner15:41
willcookethanks Trevinho15:42
Trevinho /DONE15:42
willcooke#topic robert_ancell15:42
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willcooke- Testing and fixing bugs for GNOME Software PackageKit migration15:42
willcooke- Investigating GtkEntry input limits in GTK+ - proposed patch that stops changed events being generated once limit hit.15:42
willcooke- snapd-glib 1.12 release - added support for more install options and updated error codes.15:42
willcooke- Patches for LightDM guest session disable SRU15:42
willcooke#topic AOB15:42
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willcookeFirst off, did I miss anyone?15:42
willcookeLikely more additions next week, but for now is that all of us?15:43
willcookeAnyone who is not here, please raise your hand15:43
willcookeIn the meantime..15:43
willcookeWeekly email status updates.  I'll be taking the weekly meeting notes and turning them in to an email which I will post to (probably) the desktop ML.15:43
JamieBen_thanks willcooke15:44
willcookeI might need a few details from people, but I think it'll be generally fine15:44
willcookeohai JamieBen_15:44
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willcookeSecondly - Task breakdown.  If you don't already have a Trello account, please get one.  And then I will finish off the script to import LP bugs (and Blueprint work items?) in to Trello15:45
willcookeThirdly - it's review time again.  I'll send an email out on that.  But have a think about your 360 reviewers15:45
willcookeLastly, there will be an interview with our very own kenvandine in OMG shortly.  Check it out.  I'll put a link here soon.15:47
willcookeAnyone got any other topics?15:47
kenvandine:)15:47
willcookegoing once15:48
seb128o/15:48
seb128quick one, but might be worth to use a common list for GNOME things we snap15:48
seb128kenvandine started a wikipage15:48
seb128but we already had a googledoc with some items15:48
seb128and some people who started work on some snaps15:48
seb128just to make sure we don't end up duplicating work15:48
willcookeLet's transition to the wiki page15:49
seb128wfm15:49
willcookeAnyone got a link handy?15:49
seb128it's in the meeting log, kenvandine mentioned it in his update15:49
willcookeoh, right15:49
willcookeI remember15:49
seb128:-)15:49
willcookehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/GNOME/Snaps15:49
seb128right, that one15:49
seb128that was it from me15:50
seb128thanks :-)15:50
willcookethx seb12815:50
willcookeanyone else?15:50
kenvandinei've noticed that since i've upgraded to artful, they aren't working anymore15:50
willcookeWayland interfaces?15:50
kenvandineno, typelib issues15:50
kenvandinelooking into it15:51
willcookecool, thanks kenvandine15:51
willcookegoing twice15:51
willcookeaaand15:52
willcooke#endmeeting15:52
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue May 16 15:52:18 2017 UTC.15:52
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-05-16-15.30.moin.txt15:52
willcookethanks all15:52
seb128thanks!15:52
GunnarHjseb128, jbicha: Trying to sum up the discussion about docs and translations. So far we have mostly questions:16:20
GunnarHj- Would it be acceptable to not strip and with that add 8.5 MiB ISO space to gain some flexibility wrt docs SRUs?16:20
GunnarHj- Do we want to use LP for gnome-user-docs and gnome-getting-started-docs translations?16:20
GunnarHjI think those two questions can be dealt with separately.16:20
GunnarHjHow do we proceed?16:20
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seb128GunnarHj, use mailing list for discussion16:58
GunnarHjseb128: Ok, I'll try to describe the conflicts of aims on the list.17:07
GunnarHjBtw, I posted to the list on another topic:17:07
GunnarHjhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2017-May/004935.html17:07
GunnarHjOnly a peripheral reply so far. Who is the decision maker on that?17:07
jbichathe daily Ubuntu (Unity) artful images for the past few days have been pretty unusuable for me in Try Ubuntu mode, tested in VBox17:44
willcookenight all19:01
GunnarHjjbicha: still there?21:19
jbichayes21:20
GunnarHjjbicha: If I understand it correctly, the split of gnome-getting-started-docs into language specific binaries is an Ubuntu specific thing. Do you think it would be manageable to do the same with gnome-user-docs?21:21
jbichayes, it shouldn't be that difficult21:22
GunnarHjjbicha: It would eliminate the ISO space discussion.21:22
jbichaGetting Started is ridiculously large with all the videos so it made a lot of sense for that to be split up21:22
GunnarHjI know.21:23
GunnarHjjbicha: The problem with such a solution is that you need to be attentive when languages are added (or removed).21:24
jbichaI don't know when they would ever be removed, but the --fail-missing rule will loudly tell you when there's a new language21:25
GunnarHjOk.21:25
GunnarHjjbicha: Maybe this would be the best solution. I'm hesitating to bring the discussion to the list (too much details which few devs know about).21:26
jbichaif you're going to make 30+ new packages, maybe now would be a good time to rename the binary from gnome-user-guide to gnome-user-docs21:33
jbicha*binary package name21:33
GunnarHjjbicha: The other thing we talked about - whether to use LP for the new docs packages or not - requires some more discussion with seb128. Possibly he missed that you - unlike with other packages - cannot accomplish updates of docs translations without updating and uploading the packages. The localized Mallard pages are created at build time.21:36
jbichaoh21:37
GunnarHjjbicha: Why would we want to rename the binary?21:37
jbichaI assume it's only named gnome-user-guide for historical reasons; it would make a lot more sense now to have it match the upstream name and source package name21:38
GunnarHjOk. I'll keep that in mind. We need Seb's clearance first.21:39
jbichaoh, and I was thinking about splitting the system-admin-guide into a separate binary pkg in Debian but that's not currently translated so that's no big deal either way21:39
GunnarHjIs that built at all currently?21:41
jbichayelp help:system-admin-guide21:41
jbicha(yes)21:41
GunnarHjAha, I see now that it's currently included in gnome-user-guide.21:44
jbichathat could be an upstream issue that maybe GNOME should split it off themselves?21:46
GunnarHjSeparate tarball?21:47
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GunnarHjjbicha: Anyway, I'm going to test this idea with seb128 tomorrow.21:53
jbichahttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntu-switch-to-gnome-questions-answered22:16

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