[00:09] <azizLIGHT> is there a version of ubuntu with gui that is less than 700 mb
[00:10] <hhkk> exit
[00:10] <hhkk> quit
[00:10] <hhkk> quit
[00:13] <hhkk> test
[00:14] <hhzhk> hi,erveryone
[00:14] <minimec> !test > hhzhk
[00:14] <hhkk> whoami
[00:16] <Umeaboy> How long time does one have to wait before  curl https://repo.skype.com/data/SKYPE-GPG-KEY | sudo apt-key add - gives me a new blank row?
[00:17] <Umeaboy> curl has finished downloading but nothing seems to happen after that.
[00:18] <Umeaboy> I got the instructions from here: https://repo.skype.com/
[00:19] <Umeaboy> The repo is already added, but when I run apt-get update it fails to check for updates since the skype repo has a missing key.
[00:19] <Umeaboy> I installed the skype package manually.
[00:19] <Umeaboy> I guess I could just readd this repo again.
[00:19] <nacc> Umeaboy: that command should return immediately
[00:21] <Umeaboy> Nope. No difference.
[00:21] <nacc> Umeaboy: you can try the curl first, with no | and see if the curl is returning
[00:22] <Umeaboy> However if I do just the curl part without adding afterwards I see the public key.
[00:22] <Umeaboy> So the apt-key add part is nothing working apparently.
[00:22] <Umeaboy> Now what?
[00:24] <Umeaboy> Switching | with && doesn't change anything.
[00:25] <Umeaboy> And these instructions are written for Debian. I thought Debian and Ubuntu have the same code base.
[00:26] <leftyfb> Umeaboy: it works for me
[00:26] <leftyfb> Umeaboy: wget https://repo.skype.com/data/SKYPE-GPG-KEY
[00:26] <th0r> Umeaboy, wget works, curl doesn't
[00:27] <leftyfb> Umeaboy: if that downloads, then try: cat SKYPE-GPG-KEY | sudo apt-key add -
[00:27] <leftyfb> th0r: curl worked for m
[00:27] <leftyfb> me
[00:27] <th0r> leftyfb, curl returned the key onscreen for me, wget saved it to a file
[00:27] <leftyfb> right
[00:28] <leftyfb> so both are functioning as normal
[00:28] <th0r> leftyfb, yes, but I think the pipe will wait until the download is finished, at which time there is nothing to pipe
[00:29] <th0r> leftyfb, but this is an old install, on an old machine, with an even older operator <smile>
[00:29] <leftyfb> no, it'll pipe what it downloads to apt-key as it should
[00:29] <leftyfb> again, it works for me
[00:29] <pavlos> worked for me but note sudo may prompt you for auth ...
[00:30] <Umeaboy> gpg: could not find any valid OpenPGP data.
[00:30] <Umeaboy> That's the answer I got.
[00:31] <Umeaboy> The key seems to be in my $HOME thou.
[00:33] <Umeaboy> Now I got it.
[00:33] <Umeaboy> Had to remove the current key from the Authentications tab.
[00:33] <Umeaboy> And then manually add the downloaded one.
[00:33] <Umeaboy> No errors now during update.
[00:34] <Hitechcg> Anyone know why Ubuntu switched from using a unionfs to using aufs for the CD image between 16.04.1 and 16.04.2?
[00:34] <Hitechcg> Strikes me as a weird change for a .2 release
[00:36] <Cust0sLimen> hi
[00:36] <Cust0sLimen> I'm pretty tired of this kernel problems with 17.04
[00:36] <Cust0sLimen> is there some alternative older kernel I can use ?
[00:37] <Hitechcg> Cust0sLimen: 16.04.2?
[00:37] <Cust0sLimen> Hitechcg, how can I use that kernel on 17.04 ?
[00:37] <Hitechcg> you might have to download and install a few .debs
[00:38] <Hitechcg> not sure if the LTS kernel is in the 17.04 repos
[00:40] <Cust0sLimen> I will try liquorix I guess
[00:40] <Hitechcg> Cust0sLimen: do 'apt search linux-image lts' in a terminal
[00:41] <Umeaboy> Cust0sLimen: What kind of problem?
[00:41] <Cust0sLimen> Hitechcg, nothing
[00:41] <Hitechcg> not even any that say "Transitional package"?
[00:42] <Cust0sLimen> not I can't find bug Umeaboy
[00:42] <Cust0sLimen> hang on
[00:42] <Umeaboy> sudo apt-cache search linux-image works better.
[00:42] <Hitechcg> anyways, yeah, you can try liquorix or the vanilla LTS kernel
[00:42] <Hitechcg> Umeaboy: you don't need sudo, and that will show a whole bunch of useless stuff like the lowlatency kernel
[00:43] <Umeaboy> I had some graphical issues with Unity in 17.04.
[00:43] <Umeaboy> I'm so glad that Canonical is ditching Unity for Gnome. :)
[00:43] <Hitechcg> wow really?
[00:43] <Umeaboy> Yeah.
[00:44] <Hitechcg> gj lol
[00:44] <Hitechcg> rip ubuntu
[00:44] <Hitechcg> not like unity isn't shit anyways
[00:44] <Umeaboy> They even ditched Ubuntu Touch.
[00:44] <Umeaboy> I prefer Cinnamon or MATE myself.
[00:44] <Hitechcg> I'm probably going to switch to MATE on Arch
[00:45] <Hitechcg> because I'm sick of Ubuntu breaking things
[00:45] <Umeaboy> I'm on Mageia AND Ubuntu and I use Cinnamon and MATE on both. :)
[00:46] <Hitechcg> Honestly I could probably live without a DE and just a WM at this point
[00:46] <Hitechcg> but I don't want to
[00:46] <Umeaboy> Ubuntu is good if you want to use something that's well supported and you can find help anytime. I believe you can even hire a technician from Canonical to fix an uregnt problem.
[00:47]  * YankDownUnder likes WindowMaker...simple, mature...fast...
[00:47] <Umeaboy> urgent
[00:47] <bazhang> Hitechcg, lets take the offtopic chatter elsewhere please
[00:47] <Hitechcg> lol help
[00:47] <Hitechcg> last time I was trying to get help in here some idiot tried to convince me my hard drive was failing
[00:47] <Umeaboy> Ouch!
[00:47] <Hitechcg> when in reality it was a kernel bug
[00:47] <Umeaboy> That hurt!
[00:47] <bazhang> !ot
[00:48] <Hitechcg> a notorious one too, where Linux will hard freeze on baytrail
[00:48] <Umeaboy> OK.
[00:49] <Umeaboy> The only time something in Ubuntu freezes for me is when I browse thru the various webcasts on Periscope.
[00:49] <Umeaboy> Java issue as it prompts me that Java is making my computer slow.....
[00:50] <Umeaboy> And I'm using the nightly of Firefox.
[00:50] <bazhang> Umeaboy, lets work on those issues then, rahter than just talking about them at length here
[00:50] <hhkk> hi
[00:50] <Umeaboy> hhkk: Hi!
[00:51] <Umeaboy> bazhang: Well, I want to narrow it down to NOT being a problem with the cpu.
[00:51] <Umeaboy> And the laptop is quite good.
[00:51] <Umeaboy> ASUS N550JK.
[00:52] <YankDownUnder> bazhang, I actually have a pertinent question - it's been niggling at me this morning...one of my VM's is Ubuntu Gnome 16.04.2 - the kernel version is 4.8 -> whereas my "working desktop" of Ubuntu 16.04.2 is only on 4.4...curious about that...
[00:52] <Aginor> Umeaboy: Umeå? :D
[00:52] <bazhang> Umeaboy, narrow down what exactly: slowness or what
[00:53] <Umeaboy> Aginor: Ja. :)
[00:54] <Umeaboy> YankDownUnder: Well what repos are you using on both?
[00:54] <Bashing-om> YankDownUnder: HWE ? as " sysop@x1604:~$ uname -r >> 4.4.0-77-generic " on a stock install .
[00:54] <Umeaboy> If you're using Backports on any of them, that might explain it.
[00:55] <Umeaboy> bazhang: Firefox just gets darker for a while and then comes back unfrozen and I get prompted that a script is not working properly making Firefox slow.....
[00:56] <Umeaboy> That happens only when I browse at https://www.periscope.tv/
[00:56] <bazhang> Umeaboy, why are you using the nightly for ff
[00:57] <YankDownUnder> Bashing-om, The latest VM of Ubuntu Gnome (16.04.2) - has the normal repos with partner/universe/restricted enabled...the "working Ubuntu" desktop *does* have backports (for KDE testing) and all the "normal" repos enabled...plus additional repos for VirtualBox and all that lovely stuff...just curious...it ain't killing me, really...
[01:01] <hhkk> hi
[01:01] <bazhang> hhkk,  did you have an ubuntu support issue
[01:02] <hhkk> not yet
[01:03] <hhkk> I'm just a newbie for ubuntu.
[01:03] <Bashing-om> YankDownUnder: Uh Huh .. had to pull the 4.8 kernel from somewhere .
[01:04] <Umeaboy> bazhang: Because I have the same issue with the latest stable as well.
[01:05] <Umeaboy> And I like to see what's coming. :)
[01:05] <YankDownUnder> Bashing-om, Something to "research" when all else becomes un-entertaining or boring, hmm...not like it's going to affect anything I am working on...just testing...as I'm putting some serious thought into making the "Ubuntu Gnome" desktop a nice alternative for my clients...hmm...
[01:05] <Umeaboy> Even if it means that something else in it will break.
[01:05] <bazhang> Umeaboy, you have many types of very on the edge/testing/proposed items
[01:05] <Umeaboy> Yeah.
[01:05] <bazhang> thats the problem
[01:06] <Umeaboy> I still want to see the future solutions and test them so that FF becomes even MORE stable. :)
[01:06] <Umeaboy> I don't mind crashes.
[01:06] <Umeaboy> It's the freezing part I don't like as much.
[01:07] <bazhang> Umeaboy, well, thats an issue for mozilla
[01:07] <bazhang> Umeaboy, running all the very latest of kde/ff/etc, that have not been tested together is entirely your issue
[01:10] <bazhang> Umeaboy, you should see if freenode has any mozilla dev channels, and reprot issues to them
[01:11] <bazhang>  /msg alis list mozilla  Umeaboy to find them
[01:11] <Umeaboy> bazhang: Already a step ahead of you. :)
[01:11] <Umeaboy> #ubuntu-mozillateam
[01:11] <Umeaboy> :)
[01:12] <Blakes5> #ubuntu
[01:12] <Blakes5> Hi
[01:12] <bazhang> Umeaboy, in future posts of slowness etc, be sure to mention at the very outset the particulars of what all proposed/testing you are using
[01:19] <th34lch3m1st> hi, what can I do for images vertically streched on a laptop with 16.04?
[01:20] <konrados> nacc, thank you very much! I deleted some stuff, and now I'm able to write to the disk
[01:20] <konrados> Bashing-om ^
[01:20] <leftyfb> th34lch3m1st: set your resolution properly
[01:22] <Bashing-om> konrados: No doubt that 'df' was not lieing ..just still do not know what to make of the numbers .
[01:22] <th34lch3m1st> leftyfb thanks for reply. I already tried that, no matter what resolution I set, images stay stretched...
[01:23] <Barones> I have a software running on wine that can't access sock_raw, and the app needs it do check devices on the network? How can I allow wine to access sock_raw?
[01:25] <Umeaboy> Barones: Check which ports it needs access to and open those in the firewall.
[01:26] <Umeaboy> Also check with tcpdump/wireshark that something is coming back in on those ports to your PC
[01:27] <Barones> Umeaboy, The ports are open, the aplication can't create a socket because dont have permissions to call sock_raw
[01:27] <Umeaboy> Have you done winecfg?
[01:28] <th34lch3m1st> leftyfb with w10 I'm pretty sure was everything ok with images...now, display has a funny native resolution (1366x768, not perfect 16:9 ratio...)...so I'm thinking...
[01:28] <Barones> no
[01:28] <Barones> I'll try
[01:28] <Guest27061> th34lch3m1st: thats a perfectly 16:9
[01:29] <th34lch3m1st> leftyfb it could be a misconfigured driver....?
[01:30] <th34lch3m1st> Guest 1366/768=1.7786   16:9=1.7778 .......
[01:31] <Guest27061> th34lch3m1st: since there is nothing like 1/10 pixel...
[01:32] <th34lch3m1st> Guest27061 you're right man
[01:37] <w9qbj> many programs I run give me "Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "hcengine",", is there an easy to 'solve' this problem/warning?
[01:40] <th34lch3m1st> Guest27061 w10 draw perfect circle on this 1366x768 display, and ubuntu show elliptical circle (strecthed vertically)....
[01:41] <Guest27061> th34lch3m1st: have a screenshot of that?
[01:42] <th34lch3m1st> Guest27061 give me a min I will do it
[01:46] <pythongeek> Hi. I installed the ttf-mscorefonts-installer package. fc-list | grep -i "arial" returns several results. However, fc-match Arial returns the liberation sans font. Any ideas why this is happening? I've tried sudo fc-cache.
[01:50] <th34lch3m1st> Guest27061 imgur.com/a/eJ63i
[01:55] <vex8ion> Hello... I have read that linux can be suseptible to viruses now. What is the best antivirus, free that is, to use? Thanks in advance...
[01:56] <bazhang> !virus | vex8ion
[01:57] <leftyfb> vex8ion: I'm not sure where you heard that. It's not impossible, but if you're acquiring viruses on linux, you're doing something severely wrong
[01:57] <skubrick> vex8ion, parsimony
[01:57] <vex8ion> bazhang: thanks
[01:57] <leftyfb> vex8ion: short answer is, you don't need one
[01:58] <skubrick> vex8ion, what about  clamav?
[01:58] <thyriaen> Hi, i am using a ThinkPad with integrated HD Graphics and i would like to install the newest drivers - how can i do about that ?
[01:59] <skubrick> bazhang, !!!
[01:59] <vex8ion> leftyfb: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/free-linux-antivirus-programs/ <<<from here
[01:59] <thyriaen> the intel pages sends me to https://01.org/linuxgraphics where i dont really see a way to get the newest graphics drivers
[02:00] <vex8ion> skubrick: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/free-linux-antivirus-programs/ <<<it was the first listed here...
[02:01] <skubrick> vex8ion, cool
[02:01] <leftyfb> vex8ion: you can ignore all of that
[02:01] <skubrick> vex8ion, tks
[02:01] <leftyfb> vex8ion: installing chkrootkit and rkunter wouldn't hurt if it makes you feel better
[02:02] <leftyfb> "antivirus software is a must for any computer. With the prevalence of malware and viruses, it’s essential to have maximum protection."
[02:02] <leftyfb> zero basis
[02:02] <vex8ion> thank all the info is great and I'll do some more reading...
[02:03] <skubrick> leftyfb, why "you can ignore all of that"?..
[02:03] <Bashing-om> !virus | vex8ion
[02:03] <leftyfb> I'm not saying it's not possible, but again, if you're running into viruses on your linux desktop, you're doing something severely wrong
[02:05] <skubrick> leftyfb, I understand it's a marketing assumption, rather than technical?
[02:05] <leftyfb> yep
[02:05] <vex8ion> leftyfb: not running into them, Set my mom up with Ubuntu and it is new for both of us and am just trying to be sure her system doesn't have issues before I can get back and fix anything...
[02:05] <leftyfb> vex8ion: she won't get any viruses
[02:06] <leftyfb> vex8ion: for remote help though, you could install teamviewer
[02:06] <bobdobbs> I'm using Filezilla on ubuntu 16.04. When using the default ubuntu desktop environment, some elements of the UI wont work. For one, the delete button is unresponsive, but only within Filezilla.
[02:06] <skubrick> leftyfb, but Android had proven that - very nasty things can occur on a "Linux" environment
[02:06] <bobdobbs> it works fine if I use another deskop manager
[02:06] <YankDownUnder> ...and Chrome remote desktop...and Remina...
[02:06] <vex8ion> leftyfb: Granny says thank you!!! lol that eases her mind...
[02:06] <leftyfb> skubrick: this isn't Android we're talking about
[02:07] <skubrick> dunno, dunno... still: parsimony and good sense may be the best
[02:07] <leftyfb> YankDownUnder: remmina requires poking holes in firewalls and I have found doesn't work as well as teamviewer
[02:07] <skubrick> leftyfb, thats why I put the quotes on "Linux" - but the kernel is common - I think we can go all nite long w/ this - I better stop
[02:08] <bobdobbs> also the arrow buttons are unresponsive within filezilla as well
[02:09] <YankDownUnder> leftyfb, Chrome remote desktop doesn't require that...
[02:09] <leftyfb> YankDownUnder: nope, but it requires both ends to be running chrome
[02:11] <leftyfb> YankDownUnder: teamviewer works from a web client, cross-platform desktop client or cross-platform mobile client
[02:11] <YankDownUnder> leftyfb, For me - from a biz perspective, I'd have my preference for using Remina as it's NOT a corporate product...it's FOSS and easy enough to configure - firewall wise as well - for a deployed Ubuntu system...along with basic "ssh" - which works even better...no clutter and no fuss...IMHO and in working practice...(time is money...)
[02:11] <skubrick> tks, bye
[02:12] <leftyfb> YankDownUnder: teamviewer is way less fuss, but sure ... to each their own
[02:13] <leftyfb> YankDownUnder: I support dozens of desktop customers on all types of OS's ... all running teamviewer. No holes poked in firewalls, no local ssh accounts/keys, no ip address/dyndns and no searching for multiple versions of VNC for every OS out there
[02:14] <leftyfb> I can get a txt from someone and login on my phone immediately
[02:15] <leftyfb> for some customers, they only run the single exe file on their desktop when they need help because they don't want to install anything or keep it running. Another advantage
[02:22] <GPHemsley> Could somebody look at my bug and help it get into the right hands? https://bugs.launchpad.net/kernel/+bug/1689951
[02:23] <GPHemsley> It's becoming extremely inconvenient
[02:29] <kalebris> hello, stupid question but I can´t seem to find an answer to it on google, but what is replacing unity-control-center in 17.04? there seems to be only a few things i can set there, I assume there is some central control panel of sorts, i just can´t seem to find it
[02:34] <darthanubis> kalebris, depends on your DE choice. it would seem the default would be  Gnome Command Center
[02:35] <kalebris> i have ubuntu studio
[02:36] <kalebris> i will check out gnome command center
[02:36] <kalebris> thanks for the info
[02:46] <croz> Is it normal for the shasum of the ubuntu download to be different? Just start a new one?
[02:47] <croz> Where can I find the shasum on the ubuntu website so i can compare it to the one my terminal on mac gives me from the shasum command?
[02:55] <stevwills> is this the end of ubuntu
[02:57] <Bashing-om> croz: Must match : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes . Also there is the md5sum method .
[03:00] <croz> thanks Bashing-om
[03:00] <croz> :D
[03:01] <Bashing-om> croz: Glad2assist :)
[03:01] <arooni> can i run gnome shell extensions like https://github.com/sgaraud/gnome-extension-taskwarrior ;; within ubuntu 16.04 (vanilla installation)?
[03:05] <someone_> Hi , I have a problem
[03:05] <someone_> I have already deleted an important file before few minutes and I did not restart the computer and I want recovery this file how I can I used "shift+delete"
[03:06] <PipeItToDevNull> someone_, How did you delete it
[03:06] <someone_> by mistake using shift and delete
[03:08] <someone_> Is there any way because I know that OS does not remove the files from Hard drive it just remove index pointer of that file
[03:09] <PipeItToDevNull> Someone else may know more than me on recovery of files
[03:10] <someone_> Guys I need help I worked on that diagram for an hour , I need that file
[03:10] <dude42> someone_, there is a tool called ddrescue you may try
[03:11] <someone_> Ok
[03:11] <dude42> might want to download it on another machine
[03:11] <dude42> and use it on your drive
[03:11] <Bashing-om> someone_: Maybe extundelete ?
[03:12] <Bashing-om> !info extundelete xenial | someone_
[03:16] <someone_> I'm afraid from trying different tools , How I can apply the tool only on the folder that was contain the file . I don't want using the tool on whole partition .
[03:18] <someone_> I want perfect command for this with lowest risks
[03:29] <zeno_> any body ?
[03:29] <p177bot> hello
[03:30] <zeno_> Hi~
[03:32] <zeno_> i want regist a name on free node ,how could i do this
[03:33] <Bashing-om> !register | zeno_
[03:34] <someone_> ubottu , Bashing-om : How I can restore with "extundelete --restore-file " ? I get this message : "extundelete: Error parsing command-line options."How I can restore "with extundelete --restore-file " ? I get this message : "extundelete: Error parsing command-line options."
[03:35] <Shaan> guys can anyone assisst me ive got a very weird issue, ive got ubuntu 16.04 LTS for some reason yestorday my left click stopped working altogether on the laptop
[03:36] <Shaan> can anyone suggest what might be a good way to resolve this issue
[03:36] <someone_> Bashing-om : How I can restore with "extundelete --restore-file " ? I get this message : "extundelete: Error parsing command-line options."How I can restore "with extundelete --restore-file " ? I got this message : "extundelete: Error parsing command-line options."
[03:37] <Bashing-om> someone_: I have not used to the tool, may not be much help . Let me see what the man page says about supplying a file name .
[03:38] <zeno_> @Shaan your mouse is broken?
[03:38] <someone_> Ok thanks
[03:39] <Shaan> zeno_: i do not think so, its a built in mouse on the laptop
[03:39] <Bashing-om> someone_: http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/options.html . Looks like just give the tool a path and file name .
[03:40] <zeno_> oh, you can try a click with another mouse, such as bluetooth mouse
[03:40] <zeno_> @Shaan
[03:40] <someone_> I have read this page but I did not understand
[03:41] <zeno_> @Shaan you can try a click with another mouse, such as  bluetooth mouse
[03:42] <someone_> I wrote like this I don't know where is the error "extundelete --restore-file /home/ub16/D/StateDiagram"
[03:42] <zeno_> @Shaan then ,you'll know your mouse on the laptop is good or not
[03:48] <someone_> I wrote like this I don't know where is the error "extundelete --restore-file /home/ub16/D/StateDiagram"
[03:48] <Bashing-om> someone_: A path is the way to a file from the 'root' directory . example /boot/grub  and we want the target here as grub.cfg . so the <path>/<file> would be /boot/grub/grub.cfg .
[03:49] <Shaan> zeno
[03:51] <Bashing-om> someone_: Looks valid IF the case is cirrect is the directory and in the file name . linux is case sensitive where StateDiagram does not equal statediagram .
[03:53] <someone_> the Error is Error parsing command-line options.
[03:57] <hatteram> hey everyone
[03:57] <Bashing-om> someone_: Terminal command ' ls -al /home/ub16/D/ ; returns positive ?
[03:58] <hatteram> ##
[03:59] <someone_> yes it returns all files in that folder
[04:00] <kalebris> Bashing-om, usually commands return 0 if they are running without an error
[04:01] <kalebris> so  ´ls -al /home/ub16/D >/dev/null; echo $?´ should produce a 0 if the directory exists
[04:01] <Bashing-om> someone_: Then I would question the file name . as per : http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man1/extundelete.1.html should work .
[04:17] <someone_> Bashing-om finally I have Known how I can writing the command : the command should be like this : "sudo extundelete /dev/sda2 --restore-file /home/ub16/D/StateDiagram"
[04:18] <someone_> but there is long warning message
[04:19] <someone_> What I should do ?
[04:21] <Bashing-om> someone_: paste the warning to a pastebin site so we see what you see . Then we give best advise .
[04:22] <someone_> NOTICE: Extended attributes are not restored.
[04:22] <someone_> WARNING: EXT3_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_RECOVER is set.
[04:22] <someone_> The partition should be unmounted to undelete any files without further data loss.
[04:22] <someone_> If the partition is not currently mounted, this message indicates
[04:22] <someone_> it was improperly unmounted, and you should run fsck before continuing.
[04:22] <someone_> If you decide to continue, extundelete may overwrite some of the deleted
[04:24] <someone_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24585017/
[04:24] <Bashing-om> someone_: Boot up a liveDVD(USB) and run the command from there so the target partition is not mounted .
[04:25] <someone_> but I'm afraid I lost all my files and home
[04:26] <Bashing-om> someone_: You hit y, even after seeing the warning ??
[04:26] <someone_> no
[04:26] <someone_> n
[04:28] <Bashing-om> someone_: Then nothing was done . hit n to terminate gracefully .
[04:30] <someone_> Ok , I will using testdisk tool . I think it is safer
[04:31] <Bashing-om> someone_: Your call : http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step ; http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/15761/recover-data-like-a-forensics-expert-using-an-ubuntu-live-cd/ .
[04:32] <someone_> Ok thank you so much Mr.Billy
[04:32] <tekisui> 18 is next stable version ?
[04:32] <Bashing-om> someone_: I try . but we are not home free yet .
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> tekisui: 18.04 next LTS
[04:33] <tekisui> ahh ok
[04:33] <tekisui> :)
[04:33] <tekisui> xie xie
[04:34] <Bashing-om> tekisui: 18.04 is the next Long Term Support release . All releases are "stable" when released .
[04:36] <someone_> Bashing-om What did you mean ?
[04:38] <Bashing-om> someone_: I have not been a lot of help - you do not have your file back yet . when you do get it then we will be " home free " . ( An American expression )
[04:41] <amosbird> hello, I just did some testing about terminal job control : https://paste.wentropy.com/zAcW . The foreground.txt is empty at the end. Why?
[04:49] <cinvoke> SwedeMike: THX!
[04:57] <Almoxarife> i was trying to help in the install of nvidia driver on xenial, this system had full disk encryption set from install, seems with novo(opensource driver) user could enter pass to decrypt drive, with nvidia driver the thing went black screen, is there some trick to having full disk encrypt and nvidia driver?
[04:58] <Almoxarife> the driver was 375
[04:59] <Bashing-om> Almoxarife: and the card ? let's insure the correct diver was chossen .
[05:00] <Almoxarife> Bashing-om: according to ubuntu-drivers devices the recommend was 375, i forget now which card it was
[05:01] <Bashing-om> Almoxarife: System is pretty smart . 96% certainty that it is correct to say 375 . So how did you install the driver ?
[05:02] <Almoxarife> Bashing-om: via driver install
[05:02] <BlakBeerd> if i installed a bittorent client using the terminal/repositories, how do i select that client to run in firefox for magnet links? where is it installed?
[05:04] <Bashing-om> Almoxarife: Should have installed then no issue . Is this a EFI system where 'secure boot' needs to be disbled ?
[05:09] <Almoxarife> Bashing-om: i did not verify that portion, would that only effect the nvidia driver and not novo?
[05:11] <Bashing-om> Almoxarife: Affirmative as the nvidia blob is proprietary .. and EFI may interceed here .
[05:12] <Almoxarife> Bashing-om: ok, lesson learned, i'll keep that in mind, thnks
[05:15] <Bashing-om> Almoxarife: We all have to adjust to a world of EFI - can you boot now with ' nomodeset' ?
[05:16] <Almoxarife> Bashing-om: it was not mine, was helping, i luckily am on pre-uefi where it counts and where uefi is concerned i have opensource drivers installed
[05:17] <Almoxarife> Bashing-om: although the answer is yes, he could regain control of system via grub fallsafe
[05:21] <Bashing-om> Almoxarife: K .. good luck - hard work to fix maybe as easy as diabling fast boot and setting the system to r/w in recovery . then in terminal purge nvidia, and ' ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' .
[05:35] <vlab> is anyone able to get adsm running on 16.04.2?
[05:35] <vlab> openjk version "1.8.0_131"
[05:36] <juniour> Hi
[05:39] <zeno^> you  zhong guo ren ma?
[05:40] <zeno^> wo  zhe ubuntu mei fa shu zhong wen , zen me ban ?
[05:40] <SwedeMike> !cn | zeno^
[05:40] <zeno^> @ubottu  are U kidding me ?
[05:41] <SwedeMike> zeno^: this is an english speaking channel.
[05:42] <zeno^> oh  guys how can I input Chiness simple by ibus?
[05:43] <zeno^> it just doesn't work
[05:45] <zeno^> @SwedeMike could you please give me some advice?
[05:45] <SwedeMike> zeno^: if I had an idea, I whould have told you.
[05:46] <zeno^> @SwdeMike Thank you all the same.
[06:19] <comp5> эй
[06:19] <comp5> сукав
[06:19] <comp5> петухи
[06:19] <comp5> вы на кого
[06:20] <ducasse> !ru | comp5
[06:20] <comp5> ТЫ
[06:20] <comp5> ПЕС
[06:20] <comp5> Я
[06:20] <comp5> ИЕ
[06:20] <comp5> ЕЬЕ
[06:20] <comp5> ХАТУ
[06:21] <rougeopium> channel
[06:21] <rougeopium> channel 1
[06:21] <rougeopium> hello
[06:21] <rougeopium> anybody here?
[06:22] <ducasse> !ask | rougeopium
[06:22] <rougeopium> who is chinese?
[06:22] <comp5> HELLO
[06:22] <comp5> MY DEAR FRIEND
[06:22] <comp5> I VINESY YOUR HATA
[06:22] <comp5> SUKA
[06:22] <rougeopium> ok
[06:23] <rougeopium> quit
[06:24] <CrazyTux> hello, is wannacry going to affect Linux OS?
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> CrazyTux: dont start trolling again here please
[06:25] <CrazyTux> no. I am not trolling. I am just curious.
[06:26] <ducasse> CrazyTux: is your ban lifted?
[06:26] <CrazyTux> I am using Ubuntu now. Just wanted to know whether I am safe or not.
[06:26] <CrazyTux> ducasse, I think so.
[06:26] <ducasse> CrazyTux: what does that mean?
[06:27] <CrazyTux> I just want to know whether I am safe or not. If not what precautions do I need to take.
[06:27] <ducasse> CrazyTux: if you are evading your ban, please leave.
[06:28] <bambanx> How i can use grep for find a string on the current folder and the subfolders and highlight the match on the results? thanks
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> !grep | bambanx
[06:29] <ducasse> CrazyTux: i've told you before - don't pm me
[06:29] <akik_> bambanx: use find to look for strings in directory names
[06:29] <bambanx> akik_, thanks , do you know the command ?
[06:30] <akik_> bambanx: find directory -iname "*string*"
[06:31] <bambanx> akik_, that highlight the match?
[06:31] <akik_> bambanx: directory is the starting dir
[06:31] <bambanx> akik_, its recursive in the subfolders?
[06:32] <akik_> bambanx: what do you mean highlight? it'll only print the matching dirs
[06:32] <akik_> bambanx: yes
[06:32] <bambanx> the files
[06:32] <bambanx> when the string match
[06:34] <akik_> bambanx: you can add "| grep string" after the find command
[06:35] <bambanx> akik_, so why not use grep for find it? some like this grep -Hrn 'search term' path/to/files
[06:36] <akik_> bambanx: i thought you were trying to look for dir names
[06:36] <bambanx> oh ok akik_
[06:36] <bambanx> akik_, thanks anyway for your kind help.
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> bambanx: grep is more an addon to find strings/patterns
[06:37] <bambanx> lotuspsychje, ok thanks you
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> bambanx: there is also, the whereis command to find stuff
[06:38] <bambanx> i will check
[06:38] <bambanx> but grep worked for me
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> bambanx: man find, man whereis, man grep for more info
[06:40] <hhzhk> thx
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> hhzhk: can we help you mate?
[06:41] <bambanx> lotuspsychje, thanks bro
[06:44] <hhzhk> I have no qestions just now
[06:44] <hhzhk> thx
[06:46] <AlecTaylor> hi
[06:46] <AlecTaylor> I use `dpkg -s` to see if a package is installed, how do I see if a `build-dep` for pkg_name has been run?
[06:59] <momomo> anyone know of a tool to print/generate a pdf to non copy and paste images that are inside a pdf? This is to prevent copying and pasting of text from the pdf.
[07:02] <curly_brace> will any printer plug into an ubuntu os, operate without installation?
[07:03] <curly_brace> i mean without the use of an installation cd?
[07:03] <curly_brace> like a plug and play
[07:04] <erto> hello what's the command in ubuntu to autoupdate all drivers? it was like sudo apt-get drivers autoupgrade
[07:04] <erto> i forgot it
[07:05] <curly_brace> i think it's only sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[07:06] <sorinello> Hello. How can I set a systemwide proxy from CLI in Ubuntu ? I'd like to set it system wide so I don't have to configure each app to use the proxy
[07:06] <erto> curly_brace: that was not, two days ago someone here told me to use a command to upgrade drivers and i got nvidia drivers too
[07:07] <curly_brace> oh, ok. let's just wait for someone to answer your query.
[07:07] <erto> i hope someone knows it :/
[07:14] <ducasse> erto: 'apt update && apt full-upgrade' will upgrade every package on your system, including drivers
[07:14] <erto> ducasse: i don't think it's the one i need. that's could be useful if i have already all drivers and i want to update them
[07:15] <ducasse> erto: you mean you want to _install_ drivers, not update them?
[07:16] <erto> ducasse: yes, i just installed ubuntu and it has no drivers (like vga drivers)
[07:16] <ducasse> erto: then you need to say that, you asked about upgrading. 'sudo apt update && sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall'
[07:17] <erto> ducasse: thanks you
[07:17] <ducasse> erto: afterwards you just update as normal with apt full-upgrade
[07:18] <erto> ducasse: is it possible that apt full-upgrade could try to install the latest version of ubuntu?
[07:18] <ducasse> erto: no, not possible. unless you manually screw up sources.list first, you would need to know what you were doing.
[07:19] <erto> ducasse: thanks you again
[07:19] <ducasse> erto: np
[07:23] <Guest29311> hello
[07:25] <RougeOpium> whois parlos
[07:26] <computer2000> Hello, Hi, I have strange artefacts under ubuntu using v4l2 and gstreamer, see here https://youtu.be/YBWVWCoPvU4 - can anyone help me?
[07:26]  * RougeOpium jumps
[07:27] <RougeOpium> ls
[07:28] <RougeOpium> #oschina
[07:45] <hendry> how do I make sure the Ubuntu machine I'm on doesn't upgrade to 17 and stays at the LTS 16.x ?
[07:46] <hendry> It's on 16.10 currently. Just want it to be stable and easy to maintain.
[07:49] <ducasse> hendry: if you're on 16.10 you *need* to upgrade to 17.04 pretty soon, it's going eol in a month
[07:49] <ducasse> hendry: 16.04 is lts
[07:51] <hendry> ducasse: oh, there isn't much choice in the matter? could i downgrade to 16.04 or is it better to go for 17.04?
[07:52] <ducasse> hendry: you can't downgrade, you would need to reinstall.
[07:52] <ducasse> hendry: eol means end of support, no more security or bugfix updates etc
[07:54] <hendry> ducasse: so to get to 17.04 via the cli, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[07:54] <erto> is it dangerous to change the language of the ubuntu system? once it didn't recognize link of home, etc inside nautilus
[07:55] <ducasse> hendry: also, if you upgrade to 17.04, that will need to be upgraded to 17.10 in 6-9 months, and 17.10 will need to be upgraded to 18.04 which is the next lts
[07:55] <ducasse> hendry: you upgrade with do-release-upgrade
[07:56] <ducasse> hendry: dist-upgrade is just for regular updates
[07:57] <hendry> ducasse: thank you!
[07:57] <ducasse> hendry: np
[07:57] <hendry> ducasse: ok, sounds like i have a rocky road to LTS.
[07:58] <ducasse> hendry: unless you reinstall and stay on 16.04 until 18.04
[07:58] <hendry> machine is remote, not much i can do now except go with it
[07:59] <RahulAN> Hi all
[07:59] <RahulAN> i am trying to build libinput
[07:59] <RahulAN> it is saying check >= 0.9.10
[07:59] <RahulAN> do we have apt with check
[08:00] <ducasse> right. in that case my best advice is to avoid ppas, and upgrades should go smoother. but still, be aware that you should use dist-upgrade, not upgrade
[08:00] <ducasse> hendry: ^^
[08:00] <RahulAN> I am not getting any good advice from google .. :(
[08:01] <hendry> ducasse: thanks again!
[08:02] <ducasse> hendry: np
[08:03] <carbon-cabron> kb90
[08:27] <hendry> what's the typical google-chrome-unstable package name in Ubuntu?
[08:28] <oerheks> hendry, chrome ? or chromium ?
[08:28] <ducasse> hendry: chrome is not in ubuntu
[08:29] <oerheks> beta chrome https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/beta.html?platform=linux this will add a repo + keys
[08:30] <wch> aaaa
[08:31] <oerheks> i cannot find chromium beta/testing ..
[08:31] <Younder> that blink engine is a bit twitchie these days. Lot of internal remods. Just a warning. It is not at it's most stable.
[08:32] <Younder> Good old Firefox has been a bit more reliable of late
[08:32] <Younder> (blink engine is used in Chromium and Opera)
[08:32] <oerheks> Younder +1
[08:33] <ukasz_> jest tu ktoś z polski?
[08:34] <oerheks> !pl
[08:34] <oerheks> ukasz_, this channel is english only.
[08:34] <ukasz_> ok
[08:34] <ukasz_> thx
[08:36] <TheBaan> Hi
[08:53] <rajat_jk> hi. what is difference between /bin/bash and /bin/sh user ?
[08:54] <rajat_jk> from the user end
[08:55] <ducasse> rajat_jk: two different shells
[08:55] <ducasse> rajat_jk: /bin/sh is dash
[08:55] <rajat_jk> i creted user on ubuntu and confussed what they assigned for  /bin/bash and /bin/sh user
[08:56] <rajat_jk> i think first i need to get more knowledge about thus
[08:56] <rajat_jk> thanks
[08:59] <NeRoboto> Howzit, all. Anyone know where I can get a copy of the Wanna Cry Virus?
[08:59] <Younder> Dash is as the name implies faster that Bash. It make the startup quicker. Most script writes use Bash
[09:00] <ducasse> !ot | NeRoboto
[09:00] <oerheks> NeRoboto, not here.
[09:00] <NeRoboto> Yessir.
[09:00] <Younder> NeRoboto, You lost the auction ;)
[09:01] <Younder> The NSA wholesale is going on somewhere else
[09:01] <NeRoboto> Could you give me directions to the sale, Younder?
[09:02] <ducasse> !alis | NeRoboto try this
[09:03] <oerheks> NeRoboto, http://www.bing.com/search?q=wannacry+buy , now stop this silly questions
[09:06] <Younder> I remember when the USA accidentally dropped 2 nukes on Spain. (Back in the 70's and the didn't detonate.) Most embarrassing, but it didn't really change anything.
[09:07] <stalkersAZE34> exit
[09:07] <RahulAN> any one knows how can i install https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libwacom this library using apt
[09:07] <Younder> This new wannaCry reminds me of that. Like loosing a couple of persing missiles
[09:08] <RahulAN> Now it is installing old one
[09:09] <oerheks> !ot | younder not suitable for ubuntu support
[09:10] <oerheks> RahulAN, i think you want libwacom2 http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libwacom2
[09:11] <RahulAN> oerheks: But i need greater than 0.18-1
[09:11] <ducasse> !latest | RahulAN
[09:11] <RahulAN> i have 16.04
[09:12] <oerheks> RahulAN, upgrade to yakkety? or build it yourself?
[09:12] <RahulAN> I think i have to build it by mysel
[09:12] <RahulAN> *myself
[09:14] <ducasse> RahulAN: if you do, that is outside what is supported here
[09:15] <RahulAN> ducasse: Okk :)
[09:15] <Younder> Well the Ubuntu release on KiCad lacked support for gspice the circuit emulator, Had to build it from scratch. Cost me a day. Much annoyed
[09:16] <afancy1> Hello, I just installed Ubuntu 17.04, but I found there is some problem with the DNS. For example, when I open Gmail, it says "mail.google.com’s server DNS address could not be found.". Could anybody help? thanks!
[09:16] <Younder> afancy1, You are not connecting that DNS to the net
[09:17] <afancy1> also, I am not able to open other webisite, and it has been showing "resolving host"
[09:17] <afancy1> I think there is some problem with the Networkmanager in Ubuntu 17.04
[09:17] <Younder> Anyhow stock ubuntu doesn't have a full DNS server
[09:18] <Younder> Are you sure that is what you are using?
[09:18] <afancy1> I am using DHCP
[09:18] <ducasse> afancy1: edit /etc/systemd/resolved.conf, remove the # in front of 'DNSSEC=allow-downgrade', and replace 'allow-downgrade' with 'off'
[09:18] <ikonia> afancy1: how are you opening gmail
[09:18] <afancy1> I think it may be the bug of Ubuntu 17.04
[09:18] <Younder> Wel all are. Not static IP's
[09:19] <ikonia> afancy1: I'm pretty sure not resolving google addresses is not a bug in ubuntu
[09:19] <Younder> No relation between that and DNS though
[09:20] <minimec> RahulAN: If you want to build the library yoursef, I would use 'sudo apt build-dep libwacom-dev' to get all the dependencies for your build. Maybe also install 'checkinstall' and use 'sudo checkinstall' instead 'sudo make install' when you finished compiling. That would give you a 'handy' deb package of your built library.
[09:20] <Younder> You can try setting SHCP t use te google DNS server. That usually works. However this is a stop-gap messuse. Don't leave it there. It is loaded enough already-
[09:20] <RahulAN> minimec: Wow great :) I will try this too
[09:20] <Younder> DHCP
[09:32] <anchnk> hi, i've installed apt-build and finally didn't need it so I removed it
[09:32] <anchnk> however now when I am doing apt update I do have warnings about files not found in /var/cache/apt-build/ folders ?
[09:34] <ducasse> anchnk: try 'apt purge apt-build'
[09:34] <anchnk> ducasse thx a lot did the trick :)
[09:37] <Younder> So I guess from next year we are all going back to a gnome GUI. No more Aptitude.
[09:38] <ducasse> Younder: why would you need to abandon a terminal-based program because the desktop changes?
[09:40] <Younder> ducasse, you don't. What do you mean?
[09:40] <ducasse> Younder: you said 'no more aptitude'
[09:40] <bazhang> Younder, unity going away has no connection to aptitude
[09:43] <Younder> Sorry my wires got crossed
[09:51] <GeC> I have a question about networking. I did a reinstall of ubuntu server 16.04 (the last one only completed half on a distupgrade and since it was running for over 10 years I decided it was a good idea to reinstall) and my networkmanager does not connect with my wifi. nmtui-connect does not show any networks. iwlist wlan0 scanning does show all wifi networks in the neighborhood. Wifi does connect during
[09:51] <GeC> installation and does also connects when I ifdown wlan0; wpa_supplicant -Dnl80211 -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf; After that everything works as hoped for until reboot. Does anyone has suggestions how to solve this problem?
[09:52] <Younder> Ah wireless
[09:53] <GeC> :)
[09:53] <GeC> utp worked from the start
[09:54] <Younder> GeC, what you did would be temporary
[09:55] <Younder> GeC: so it is a desktop version you are using..
[09:55] <Younder> GeC: What network card are you using
[09:56] <Younder> ?
[09:57] <GeC> Younder: I installed ubuntu-server which secondairy acts as mediaplayer so I installed xubuntu-desktop using apt
[09:57] <Vamp898> Hi, i built a deb package which compiles and works fine on ubuntu xenial. Now i want to built that package too for 14.04 which worked fine when installing using dpkg. But apt doesn't recognize which version is for 14.04 and which is for 16.04. Is there a way to tell for which distribution the build is for?
[09:57] <Younder> Well ubuntu server doeesn't use network-manager
[09:58] <Younder> You have to set it all up manually
[09:59] <woodrag> pure-ftp is operating in passive mode with a passive port-range 50000-50100. When a client logs on, he is connected to port 52786 and later on to 26135.... I don't understand this......
[10:02] <GeC> Younder: Good to know. I prefer to use /etc/network/interfaces (since that is what I used before). Although when I start it (ifup wlan0), it keeps hanging on DCHP_REQUEST
[10:02] <Younder> use wpa_cli
[10:03] <GeC> Younder: The machine is a Foxconn NetBox-nT330i with Atheros AR8131M
[10:05] <GeC> Younder: Where can I best configure that to run it on boot?
[10:05] <Younder> Those can be a bit twitchie
[10:05] <woodrag> pure-ftp is operating in passive mode with a passive port-range 50000-50100. When a client logs on, he is connected to port 52786 and later on to 26135.... I don't understand this...... can anyone give me a clue?
[10:06] <Younder> I put it in /etc/rc.local
[10:07] <ducasse> !patience | woodrag
[10:07] <woodrag> ;-)
[10:08] <GeC> Younder: Thnx! I'm going to give it a shot
[10:13] <cableguy> team
[10:14] <cableguy> when you edit ur users ~/.bashrc file
[10:14] <cableguy> in what part of the file you put in ur custom export path lines
[10:14] <Younder> The bottom
[10:14] <cableguy> so i add export PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games" at the very end
[10:14] <cableguy> and save
[10:14] <Younder> Yes
[10:14] <cableguy> and then run simple command like ls
[10:14] <cableguy> i get something like
[10:14] <Younder> Not that it amtters much
[10:15] <cableguy> The command could not be located because '/bin' is not included in the PATH environment variable.
[10:15] <cableguy> but i have that in my file
[10:15] <cableguy> so whats up with that
[10:15] <Younder> check out /etc/environment it should be there
[10:16] <cableguy> im with non admin acc and have no sudo permissions
[10:16] <cableguy> so i can run stuff only in my $home dir
[10:17] <pynki> are you allowed to access /bin?
[10:17] <cableguy> yea
[10:17] <Younder> well /bin should be available
[10:17] <cableguy> what do i do in bin
[10:18] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:18] <Younder> I have a ~/bin where I put my shell scrips
[10:18] <cableguy> oh wiat i can nano /etc/environment
[10:18] <cableguy> and it has only one line in the file
[10:18] <cableguy> PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games"
[10:18] <cableguy> so it looks good
[10:18] <pynki> but you cannot save the changes i hope
[10:19] <cableguy> so why im getting those errors
[10:19] <Younder> Probably a PATY yes
[10:19] <cableguy> wait so maybe i need to add export before it
[10:20] <pynki> that does 'echo $PATH' shows you?
[10:20] <cableguy>  Error writing /etc/environment: Permission denied
[10:20] <Younder> Do you have a PATH in ~/BAsHRC which overrides it. That would do it. -It works like a cascading style sheet
[10:20] <cableguy> nevermind, cant save
[10:21] <cableguy> echo path gives /users/user.com/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
[10:26] <pynki> cableguy, and you are not able to run 'ls'?
[10:26] <cableguy> well its working for now
[10:27] <cableguy> after running export PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin for session
[10:27] <cableguy> but i added the export paths in my user ~bashrc so shouldnt it override the global
[10:28] <pynki> are you using bash?
[10:28] <Younder> You might want to tut them first: PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:$PATH instead so they get scanned first
[10:30] <cableguy> pynki, what u mea
[10:30] <cableguy> mean*
[10:31] <pynki> cableguy, if you are not using bash then .bashrc will not be raed
[10:31] <cableguy> then what am i using
[10:32] <pynki> i do not know, thats why i am asking
[10:32] <cableguy> so how do i know what im using
[10:32] <cableguy> im just logged in with putty
[10:33] <Younder> heard of ssh?
[10:34] <cableguy> well thats what u connect with
[10:35] <lurklurk> is installing to /usr/local/bin/ a no-no?
[10:37] <pynki> can you paste me line 5 of your .bashrc?
[10:37] <pynki> @cableguy
[10:38] <cableguy> case $- in
[10:38] <master__> Hello
[10:39] <pynki> try placing your export PATH.... above that line
[10:40] <m1m1r> cableguy can you post the output of "echo $SHELL" ?
[10:40] <cableguy> but you said at the end of file
[10:40] <pynki> i never said that :P
[10:40] <cableguy> m1m1r, /bin/bash
[10:41] <m1m1r> thx, those this is clear
[10:41] <cableguy> pynki, and now what
[10:42] <pynki> try again, logout, login with putty again and see what the PATH is
[10:42] <cableguy> path of what
[10:42] <cableguy> what do i run
[10:42] <m1m1r> cableguy "echo $PATH"
[10:42] <m1m1r> after relogin
[10:43] <cableguy> its /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin
[10:43] <m1m1r> did you change it in your .bashrc already?
[10:43] <cableguy> yeah saved it and logged out
[10:43] <cableguy> at the beginning of the file
[10:44] <pynki> is that what you need/want? i am confused what exactly we are trying to achieve
[10:44] <m1m1r> /usr/bin is part of your PATH, as you can see by the output
[10:44] <cableguy> well i was getting those errros
[10:45] <cableguy> that needed to repair global files but i had no permissions
[10:45] <cableguy> so far so good
[10:45] <pynki> you were? or still egttin' them?
[10:45] <cableguy> oh yeah
[10:45] <cableguy> i just broke it again
[10:45] <cableguy> by running source .bashrc
[10:45] <cableguy> and no command work again
[10:45] <cableguy> The command could not be located because '/usr/bin' is not included in the PATH                                     environment variable.
[10:46] <pynki> echo $PATH
[10:46] <cableguy> bin:/usr/bin:/users/user.com/bin
[10:47] <pynki> you still have export bin:/usr/bin:/users/user.com/bin somewhere in the bashrc?
[10:47] <cableguy> no
[10:47] <cableguy> are we talking about my local ~bashrc or globla
[10:47] <cableguy> cuz i cant edit global
[10:48] <cableguy> and the local has only the one you said to add in beginning of file
[10:48] <m1m1r> shouldn't that be ~/.bashrc?
[10:48] <cableguy> well thats the file im editing
[10:48] <cableguy> but now nano wont work and i have to run export PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin each time to fix it for temporarey time
[10:49] <Younder> I would use Vim myself. but whatever
[10:49] <pynki> logout, login - it worked last time we did that, right? tha path was right before you manually sourced the .bashrc?
[10:49] <cableguy> yeah
[10:51] <m1m1r> just out of curiosity: is your system up-to-date and have you tried another shell?
[10:51] <cableguy> i cant update it im not with root acc, i cant install packages
[10:52] <m1m1r> have access to sudo?
[10:52] <cableguy> no
[10:52] <cableguy> its like shared hosting or something
[10:53] <pynki> cat you run: cat ~/.bashrc | grep '\. /' -n -A5 -B5 | pastebinit
[10:53] <pynki> and give me th url - i am curios what your bashrc is sourcing to change the path again after manually sourcing it
[10:58] <cableguy> pynki, https://pastebin.com/gcQXaWhC
[10:58] <Younder> well to manually source after making a change write: source .bashrc
[10:59] <badcom> Hi guys. I'm trying to mount a Windows NTFS partition on Ubuntu 16.04 with this command "sudo mount -t auto -v /dev/sdb2 /mnt/diska-partition2" and I'm getting this error "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb2". Any ideas on what can be wrong!?
[10:59] <cableguy> Younder, yeah i already explained that
[10:59] <cableguy> it breaks things
[11:00] <pynki> cableguy, the last line in the file breaks what is at the beginning of the file
[11:00] <pynki> cableguy,  the last line resets the whole PATh to /home/yourUSerName/bin
[11:00] <cableguy> uhh
[11:00] <pynki> line 124
[11:01] <cableguy> yeah but i need it to set to path to call stuff from that home/bin dir
[11:01] <pynki> export "$PATH:$HOME/bin"
[11:01] <m1m1r> badcom try -t ntfs
[11:02] <m1m1r> or ntfs-3g
[11:03] <cableguy> so do i delete the lines at the bottom
[11:03] <cableguy> and add it at the beginning
[11:03] <badcom> Now I got a "NTFS signature is missing. The device '/dev/sdb2 doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS'..."
[11:03] <pynki> you delete all the path things you have inside the .bashrc file and at the end you add: export "$PATH:$HOME/bin"
[11:03] <mobeats> Greetings. What's a lightweight desktop application for cropping images, that isn't as heavy duty as GIMP?
[11:04] <pynki> @cableguy
[11:04] <cableguy> are you sure its not export $PATH:"$HOME/bin"
[11:04] <m1m1r> mobeats imagemagic
[11:04] <pynki> cableguy, sorry: export PATH="$PATH:$HOME/bin"
[11:05] <mobeats> m1m1r: is that a gui as well? only heard of the cli app.
[11:06] <m1m1r> mobeats no terminal app
[11:06] <m1m1r> badcom what does lsblk -f | grep /dev/sdb2 tell you?
[11:06] <cableguy> pynki, hmm but source .bashrc wont run
[11:06] <cableguy> -bash: .bashrc: line 121: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"'
[11:06] <cableguy> -bash: .bashrc: line 122: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[11:07] <cableguy> i copied your exact line
[11:07] <cableguy> with same quotes
[11:07] <badcom> m1m1r: nothing
[11:07] <lurklurk> just eclose and reopen your terminal
[11:07] <cableguy> i did
[11:07] <oerheks> badcom, looks like that ntfs is unmounted dirty, use windows to fix this or ntfsfix
[11:08] <cableguy> oh nvm i missed "
[11:08] <mobeats> ah right, yes. I know about that one m1m1r, thanks. looking for a gui, so I can use the mouse to select the area of the image I want to crop.
[11:09] <pynkii> badcom, i can mount my ntfs with mount /dev/sdb /mnt without any -t options
[11:10] <pynkii> cd ..
[11:10] <pynkii> ups, sry
[11:11] <badcom> Thanks. There must be something wrong with the partitions...
[11:11] <badcom> If I run a blkid I only get the PARTUUID for the partitions that I want to mount
[11:11] <badcom> there's no type or label
[11:12] <pynkii> ntfyou have ntfs-3g installed?
[11:13] <oerheks> ntfs-3g is standard installed
[11:14] <badcom> oerheks: I tried the ntfsfix and it failed. Got a "Volume is corrupt. You should run chkdsk"
[11:14] <oerheks> ah, now you know what to do
[11:15] <badcom> wish I could easily move this HD to a Windows
[11:15] <oerheks> badcom, my 1st choise would be doing it from windows
[11:17]  * pynkii hearing oerheks saying that hurts
[11:17] <oerheks> pynkii, nasty situation, indeed
[11:19] <pynki> badcom, no virtualbox or similar installed to run a windows?
[11:21] <badcom> not atm =/
[11:22] <pynki> well, its installed quite fast and the windows test appliances are found here https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/
[11:22] <oerheks> UBcd or Hirens?
[11:25] <kumarshubham> hi
[11:25] <kumarshubham> hi
[11:34] <klemax> I deleted a tcl script accidently. But its running right now. Can i get it back?
[11:35] <synthetiq> if anyone has a moment & has any input about Canonical Landscape CPU spikes, please take a look:   https://goo.gl/3xrdAK
[11:36] <fallentree> synthetiq: is there no paid support for Landscape?
[11:38] <BluesKaj> klemax,  back it up in a texstfile before it stops
[11:38] <akik_> klemax: you might find the file handle in /proc/<pid>/fd/ and read the file from there
[11:41] <BluesKaj> klemax,  assuming you know where the script is located
[11:43] <synthetiq> fallentree, sorry, i'm using less than 60 nodes, so the free version
[11:43] <akik_> klemax: sorry my idea seems to be wrong
[11:44] <fallentree> synthetiq: I don't see a free version for Landscape, there'y only a trial credit. Got a link?
[11:45] <akik_> klemax: actually it works. i just tried with a small sh script. you can cat the /proc/<pid>/fd/number and see your script even if it's deleted
[11:45] <akik_> klemax: lr-x------ 1 akik akik 64 May 16 14:44 10 -> /home/akik/a.sh (deleted)
[11:46] <klaasvakie> hi, so how do I get apt to forget what the current version of a package is?
[11:46] <synthetiq> fallentree, http://askubuntu.com/questions/549809/how-do-i-install-landscape-for-personal-use
[11:46] <klemax> akik_ let me try it
[11:46] <klaasvakie> owncloud published ver 10.0.0, and then pulled the packages back to ver 9.1.5
[11:47] <klaasvakie> now when I apt upgrade, it tries to get 10.0.0 even though 9.1.5 is the latest available
[11:47] <klaasvakie> i've tried apt clean, apt cache -g and many apt updates
[11:50] <klemax> akik_ its not there :(
[11:50] <akik_> klemax: did you get the correct pid?
[11:50] <klemax> Yes
[11:51] <klemax> 0 1 2 3 are /dev/null
[11:51] <akik_> i meant the script that you start might start the tcl interpreter that has another pid?
[11:52] <klemax> 4 5 6 socket[numbers here]
[11:52] <klemax> Thats all
[11:52] <klemax> Its an eggdrop that uses this tcl
[12:00] <stalkers1231SZ> quit
[12:02] <blenderpro> can some one tell me how to configure a nic pccard fa510 from 17 years ago in xubuntu 16.04
[12:03] <ikonia> blenderpro: check if it's supported first
[12:03] <blenderpro> ikonia: how to know
[12:03] <ikonia> blenderpro: look up the make and model
[12:04] <blenderpro> ikonia: what website
[12:04] <blenderpro> ikonia: you sure it will show up on yahoo
[12:04] <ikonia> stop trolling
[12:04] <jones641> Hello everyone!
[12:05] <jones641> Is it okay if I post a link to a youtube video I made in here? I kind of fail at explaining things
[12:06] <blenderpro> ikonia: why you say that? I've look before and couldn't win
[12:06] <ikonia> jones641: rather not
[12:06] <ikonia> jones641: just explain a summary
[12:07] <BluesKaj> jones641,  chances are if you tell us what your issue is that will receive more attention than posting a url
[12:07] <jones641> Well, I've installed Xubuntu 16.04.2 LTS on my ThinkPad R61e and whenever I plug in headphones (or speakers), pulseaudio keeps muting and unmuting the headphone output every couple seconds
[12:08] <jones641> (over in the #xubuntu channel I was told to go here)
[12:10] <scottjl> why would they tell you to come here? it's xbuntu
[12:11] <cfhowlett> pulseaudio is in all buntus, so yes, I suggested he come here for more eyes.  the problem is not the DE
[12:14] <oerheks> blenderpro, that netgear fa510 seems like a badly supported device, even back in 2001... "which worked with kernel 2.2.x does not work with 2.4.1"
[12:14] <oerheks> pcmcia trouble maker
[12:15] <Demosthenex> can anyone point me where i can find out whether ubuntu 14 had a recent patch addressing epheremal port recycling, or hanging established connections filling the open file limit?
[12:18] <fallentree> Demosthenex: maybe http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux/linux_3.13.0-119.166/changelog
[12:18] <blenderpro> oerheks: ooh wow how did you know that? what website shows that
[12:18] <oerheks> http://www.linuxsavvy.com/staff/jgotts/vaio-pcg-c1xs.html and https://people.freebsd.org/~imp/CardStatus.html
[12:19] <Demosthenex> fallentree: excellent, i'll read that. i was having issues identifying where in the support site to find things like this
[12:19] <blenderpro> oerheks: k
[12:19] <fallentree> Demosthenex: what's the problem?
[12:20] <fallentree> Demosthenex: there's also this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+changelog
[12:20] <m1m1r> jones641 does disabeling the automute option in alsamixer fix your problem
[12:20] <jones641> no
[12:20] <fallentree> Demosthenex: or in short, the changelog link for each source package LP page, in this case https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/
[12:21] <Demosthenex> fallentree: yeah. have an ubuntu 14 system recently patched which is having a problem with connections not closing
[12:21] <Demosthenex> i was trying to see if anything in the recent patches had anything about it in the changelog
[12:21] <scottjl> :q!
[12:22] <fallentree> Demosthenex: Demosthenex lingering in TIME_WAIT state?
[12:22] <Demosthenex> no, ESTABLISHED... which could be an app problem
[12:22] <Demosthenex> jboss java web stuff
[12:22] <Demosthenex> but its not using the ubuntu jvm, oracle's java is manually installed and wasn't updated in the patch
[12:22] <fallentree> Demosthenex: then that doesn't sound like a kernel issue
[12:23] <Demosthenex> fallentree: i didn't say it was a kernel issue ;]
[12:23] <fallentree> Demosthenex: if you have a problem with too much established links, you just have to increase the relevant buffer size
[12:23] <Demosthenex> it could be a library, it could have been java (though i eliminated that)
[12:23] <fallentree> Demosthenex: well you did ask if the kernel was patched for "port recycling" :)
[12:23] <Demosthenex> in this case, we hit the ulimit (hard open files allowed) and increased that
[12:23] <Demosthenex> i said "ubuntu 14 had a recent patch addressing epheremal port recycling"
[12:24] <Demosthenex> meaing the whole os, not just the kernel
[12:24] <Demosthenex> but i think you kinda answered the question, which is that there is no changelog.
[12:24] <fallentree> Demosthenex: indeed, and I just assumed that'd be the kernel patch
[12:24] <Demosthenex> i have to track it package by package
[12:25] <fallentree> Demosthenex: but port recycling would be a kernel task anyway, no?
[12:25] <Demosthenex> i'm spoiled on AIX, each service pack or technology level has a list of all the fixes in a single document
[12:25] <Demosthenex> fallentree: kind of... it could be libc, or a network library
[12:26] <fallentree> Demosthenex: however, if it's ESTABLISHED, then it's the application that didn't close it (or the peer), so I'm not sure what to do about it other than increasing allowed FD count
[12:27] <fallentree> I had a problem with too much TIME_WAIT states because the default is an ancient value from when dial-up was a thing, I think it's 5 minutes? Too much, I reduce that to 15 seconds on all our servers.
[12:27] <Demosthenex> we did and that causes other issues. :P not to mention it's poorly documented that services started by upstart don't honor the ulimit and require different configuration :P
[12:27] <blenderpro> can someone guide me through come clarification for my intefaces config file in xubuntu
[12:28] <Ben64> blenderpro: ask the question
[12:28] <Younder> \/etc/limits sets limits on processes etc
[12:28] <Demosthenex> fallentree: yeah, established could still be an underlying library if the problem started after patching. ;]
[12:28] <fallentree> Demosthenex: do you have a link about that problem and patching? I'm curious...
[12:28] <Demosthenex> Younder: nope. /etc/security/limits is only honored if /etc/pam.d/* says to use limits, and THEN upstart doesn't honor them OR use pam at all. you have to change the upstart job
[12:29] <Younder> I had a problem with that when I used bastille setting the process limit too low (bastille isn't used anymore)
[12:29] <Demosthenex> Younder: the justification was that ulimits is for users, not system services. (*eyeroll*)
[12:29] <Younder> Demosthenex, My knowlege must be a bit dated. sorry
[12:29] <fallentree> Demosthenex: that's facepalm-worth right there :)
[12:29] <Demosthenex> that justification came from the problem ticket :P
[12:30] <Demosthenex> yeah, i strongly disagree, but this is a common linux thing. just wait til systemd finds a way to break it.
[12:30] <Demosthenex> anyway, back to my original.there's no change document for a point in time. i'd have to dig through the changelog for every package
[12:30] <Demosthenex> does dpkg keep a log of what updates were installed when?
[12:31] <blenderpro> ok Ben64
[12:31] <fallentree> Demosthenex: yeah /var/log/apt/history.log
[12:31] <fallentree> Demosthenex: there's also /var/log/dpkg.log
[12:31] <riidom> Hello, I sporadically get a popup with a message (retranslated) like "There was a problem with a system application" now I figured out about /var/crash and find there a file named "_usr_lib_xorg_Xorg.0.crash" ... no clue what to do with it, any hints? Is it even related
[12:32] <Demosthenex> fallentree: cool, i'll go look around
[12:33] <riidom> https://pastebin.com/KpMZzfdu (cutted out some parts)
[12:33] <fallentree> Demosthenex: btw, the problem is with outbound connections, then?
[12:33] <Demosthenex> fallentree: no, inbound. and it could be the application. its a common IT problem where they blame the last change first and the duty falls to me to disprove that.
[12:34] <fallentree> Demosthenex: hm, so how do epmhemeral ports tie into that?
[12:34] <Demosthenex> fallentree: port range. all the connections are in the epmhemeral range
[12:36] <Demosthenex> so to ask an inflammatory question: what's the proper and supported method in Ubuntu to have a fully mirrored operating system?
[12:37] <Fuchs> dd will create a 1:1 mirror
[12:37] <Fuchs> and is quite official
[12:37] <Fuchs> there are various frontends for it if you don't like the command line
[12:37] <Demosthenex> dd is not an online mirror. nor is it supported or advisable to dd a raw device containing a mounted filesystem to another device.
[12:38] <Fuchs> you didn't ask for any of these :)
[12:38] <Fuchs> online will be tricky for a 1:1, because that takes a while and during that time, files (or at least their atimes) might be modified
[12:38] <fallentree> Demosthenex: but epmhemeral ports (and recycling) is for outbound links only. Inbound has nothing to recycle, with inbound links you need a service that listens on some port
[12:38] <Demosthenex> i have a server. i have 2 drives. i want to install ubuntu in such a way that either drive could fail without losing data or incurring an outage.
[12:39] <aaaque> hi  who can tell you about  "local default main" of the ip rule ?
[12:39] <Fuchs> technically you can use rdiff-backup (or any frontend, e.g. unison) to just copy over / and ignore tempfs and dev, proc and sys.
[12:39] <fallentree> Demosthenex: ZFS with a mirror vdev :) or if you don't like ZFS, there's mdadm
[12:39] <Fuchs> Demosthenex: RAID
[12:39] <aaaque> what is the meanings???
[12:39] <Demosthenex> fallentree: yep, and it's likely my mistake referring to them because of the inbound ports. they're still high, i wonder if jboss or an oracle agent has a high number pool
[12:39] <scottjl> Demosthenex: before you look at zfs or mdadm, see if your bios will mirror the drives.
[12:39] <Demosthenex> Fuchs: ok, raid. what's the supported raid configuration.
[12:40] <Demosthenex> raid doesn't handle mbr, nor does it cleanly handle /boot most of the time.
[12:40] <fallentree> Demosthenex: I still don't quite understand the problem. If you have a connection to port, say, 43210, in that "ephemeral range", then you need a service that listed on that port, otherwise the kernel will reject connection
[12:40] <fallentree> Demosthenex: so how many ports are there?
[12:40] <aaaque> have anybody make the sense about "default local main" table in ip rule ?
[12:41] <Demosthenex> fallentree: yeah, and i think it may be jboss... it wasn't just connections on 80... you know how nfs and rpc.portmap use extra ports all the time, it may be similar.
[12:41] <Demosthenex> fallentree: i'd have to go find it again, really, i'm focused on checking release notes atm ;]
[12:41] <Fuchs> Demosthenex: anything that mdadm is capable of doing. You can have a /boot partition on both and mirror that, and do a software raid over the remaining partitions with mdadm
[12:41] <fallentree> Demosthenex: but what's the exact problem? Too many connections regardless of port number?
[12:42] <Demosthenex> fallentree: the original issue was that connections were opened in ESTABLISHED until we hit the hard file limit.
[12:42] <fallentree> Demosthenex: ah, so then just a problem of open FDs
[12:42] <fallentree> ie. increase the size :)
[12:42] <fallentree> got a bit of a red herring there with ephemeral ports and recycling and patches'n all
[12:43] <Demosthenex> fallentree: i set it way high, but it doesn't solve the problem.
[12:43] <aaaque> fallentree  have you ever use the wireshark to caputer the data ?
[12:43] <fallentree> Demosthenex: then you need a load balancer and have more than one server
[12:43] <Demosthenex> my task is to disprove that the recent patch has somehow caused extra connections
[12:43] <fallentree> aaaque: to capture no, to view pre-captured with tcpdump, yes
[12:43] <Demosthenex> user count has not increased.
[12:44] <fallentree> Demosthenex: I think that's highly unlikely, a patch causing extra connections where there aren't any. that'd lead to a lot of other, highly noticeable problems.
[12:44] <Demosthenex> that's the problem. internal app. same users. OS patches are most recent action. a month later they hit the FD limit
[12:44] <Demosthenex> i'm thinking perhaps a library update causing something java is using to not close them in a timely manner
[12:44] <fallentree> sounds like you simply have too many open connections at the same time and need to scale horizontally
[12:45] <Demosthenex> same number of users... no application changes...
[12:45] <fallentree> users has nothing to do with it
[12:45] <fallentree> a single client browser will open 4-6 connections if it's behaving properly
[12:45] <Demosthenex> i'm also seeing some users have nearly 1000 open connections while others dont. that's why i'm checking if there's a reason those connections are being held open
[12:45] <fallentree> meaning, a single user can open many connections
[12:46] <fallentree> Demosthenex: what's the service? is it a file server and your users are simply using a download manager that opens a ton of connections?
[12:47] <Demosthenex> fallentree: its a jboss business application with a web ui, going to another server for DB
[12:47] <fallentree> Demosthenex: high keep-alive?
[12:47] <Demosthenex> fallentree: not to my knowledge, and they insist the app hasnt' changed.
[12:48] <fallentree> but the web server config may have
[12:48] <Demosthenex> like i said, this is a case of disproving the ubuntu patches could change the behavior
[12:48] <Demosthenex> this is a change controlled environment. the web server and jboss configs were not changed. that'd be an outage.
[12:48] <fallentree> the only way to dis/prove your theory is to trace the entire connection on kernel side and userland side as well. I have no idea where to even begin with that, other than (s)trace on the user side
[12:48] <fallentree> *userland
[12:49] <Demosthenex> i disagree. i need to find what changed first, hence the changelogs (and maybe more recent updates).
[12:49] <fallentree> Demosthenex: or try another thing, in a test environment use various http based benchmark tools and observe the number of requested connections vs actually established ones
[12:50] <fallentree> that'll quickly show you if there's a problem with "connection proliferation" not caused by actual SYNs
[12:52] <fallentree> Demosthenex: btw, I'm assuming you're running jboss on ubuntu? is that even supported by RH?
[12:52] <fallentree> or are you talking about "ubuntu pathces" applied to RHEL kernel?
[12:52] <Demosthenex> this is an ubuntu server, there are no RH customizations. jboss runs as a java app and non-root.
[12:53] <fallentree> I see. well, then try the connection test in a test environment. A simple barrage of curl connections could suffice for starters
[12:55] <tushar> hello friends
[12:55] <tushar> can anyone help me with strange depondency error in ubuuntu 14.04.1
[12:56] <codepython777> I've a mouse that has jerky movements. Any suggestions on how to debug/fix this?
[12:56] <lurklurk> what if you create a user just for wine and run nsaexploit.exe?
[12:56] <Demosthenex> fallentree: yeah... large biz environment, no adhoc testing, little access and troubleshooting remotely. that's impractical ;]
[12:56] <tushar> there is depondency issue with libcheese-gtk23
[12:56] <Demosthenex> fallentree: but thanks for the suggestion
[12:56] <tushar> and libcheese7
[12:56] <ioria> Demosthenex, a stress test with apache benchmark ?
[12:57] <fallentree> Demosthenex: large biz environment, jboss, and no testing environment? I find that hard to believe. If it really is the case, you're doomed.
[12:57] <m1m1r> tushar what issue?
[12:58] <tushar> please frefer link https://pastebin.com/uLYT4Z1n
[12:58] <Demosthenex> fallentree: indeed.
[12:58] <tushar> m1m1r: https://pastebin.com/uLYT4Z1n
[12:58] <Demosthenex> but i got the patch history, and the changelogs. that's progress.
[12:58] <blenderpro> Ben64: hold on please
[12:59] <fallentree> Demosthenex: can't you just clone the entire application/OS/whatev into a VM  and toy with it there?
[12:59] <Ben64> blenderpro: no
[12:59] <blenderpro> Ben64: why
[12:59] <Ben64> blenderpro: you've been here 32 minutes and haven't been able to ask a question yet
[12:59] <ioria> tushar, why are you installing libgl1-mesa-dev-lts-utopic   ?
[12:59] <cfhowlett> tushar, utopic is very much dead and no longer supported.
[13:00] <Ben64> blenderpro: i have stuff to do in 12hrs, i don't have time to help you
[13:00] <cfhowlett> what version of ubuntu do you have installed, tushar ?
[13:01] <codepython777> is it normal for a mouse to show up as multiple devices: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24586822/ ?
[13:01] <tushar> cfhowlett: 14.04.1
[13:01] <ioria> tushar, uname -r ?
[13:01] <cfhowlett> then why are you installing utopic packages??
[13:02] <Demosthenex> fallentree: i'd tear it apart to figure it out if i had unlimited time, permission, and resources... ;] doing what i can.
[13:02] <tushar> ioria: cfhowlett  while installing ROS-desktop-full I am facing this error https://pastebin.com/UdUW7exm
[13:02] <ioria> tushar, uname -r ?
[13:02] <Demosthenex> back to disk mirroring! if you have raid1 on /boot via md, does that impact kernel upgrades?
[13:03] <Ben64> tushar: ros-indigo-desktop-full doesn't exist in 14.04
[13:03] <tushar> ioria: 3.19.0-25-generic
[13:03] <fallentree> Demosthenex: even more so. Hunting down changed packages for certain time frame, then going through the code to find _possible_ cause is a total waste of time. You'd sooner isolate the issue in a clean test environment where you control 100% of variables.
[13:03] <ioria> tushar, that kernel it's not supported anymore
[13:03] <Demosthenex> for example if i do apt-get update and it updates the kernel, will raid on /boot break grub/kernel images?
[13:03] <tushar> Ben64: But I have added PPA for that
[13:03] <fallentree> Demosthenex: having /boot on a raid-1 (mdadm) devices is a normal and supported thing
[13:03] <ioria> tushar, please, upgrade your system
[13:04] <cfhowlett> tushar, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:04] <tushar> ioria: Can you recommand which kernal to install  ?
[13:04] <ioria> tushar, not only the kernel, 4.4
[13:04] <tushar> cfhowlett: dist upgrade will upgrade 14.04.1 to further version which I donnot want
[13:05] <cfhowlett> tushar, 14.04.5
[13:05] <Pici> !dist-upgrade | tushar
[13:05] <ioria> tushar, you need the xenial hwe
[13:05] <ioria> tushar, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[13:07] <tushar> ioria: I cannot use xenial becoz ros indio supports ubuntu 14.04
[13:08] <cfhowlett> tushar, sudo apt dist-upgrade will NOT bring you to xenial.  it will upgrade 14.04 to the latest point release: 14.04.5
[13:08] <Ben64> tushar: i'm sure it'd work if you upgrade your system to the latest 14.04
[13:09] <ioria> !info ros-indigo-desktop-full      trusty
[13:09] <tushar> Ben64: okay let me try then
[13:10] <ioria> tushar,  are you  using a ppa , right  ?
[13:10] <tushar> ioria: yes
[13:11] <jones641> I just figured it out, lol.. Gotta enable the output on pavucontrol as well... D'oh
[13:12] <fallentree> Demosthenex: btw, for your connections problem, what you're doing is a case of having a nasty cousin of premature optimization, where you think something will run slow, so you "optimize" it, which leads to 1) no effect, or 2) even worse performance. You have a symptom which you think is caused by X and are hunting to possible causes of X instead of isolating it in a controlled environment which would,
[13:12] <fallentree> almost invariable, show you that Y is the problem :)
[13:13] <fallentree> Demosthenex: see also "The XY problem" :)
[13:13] <Demosthenex> fallentree: while i appreciate the input, i've explained how tied my hands are... i'm dependent on others in the organization, and atm i'm trying to make sure the server team isn't blamed for the patches causing the problem.
[13:14] <Younder> remote debugging is mostly dead these days. so what do you mean by 'run slow'?
[13:14] <Demosthenex> it's quite likely its the application misbehaving, or a query failing, etc.
[13:14] <Demosthenex> but i must disprove that the patches are the root cause in order to engage the applications team.
[13:14] <fallentree> Demosthenex: that's exactly why you should clone it in an isolated environment and run tests there, if you already don't have a test environment
[13:14] <Demosthenex> because the patches were the last change.
[13:15] <fallentree> Demosthenex: so in order to prove that the patches are the cause, you need to keep everything else a constant
[13:15] <fallentree> even if that means rolling back recent updates. would you do that in production with no testing?
[13:16] <Hello> hi
[13:16] <Hello> who are you
[13:16] <blenderpro> sorry Ben64
[13:16] <blenderpro> Hello: hi
[13:17] <Hello> hi?
[13:17] <blenderpro> Hello: am i on the internet
[13:17]  * fallentree facepalms
[13:17] <blenderpro> is there more than 1 internet?
[13:18] <Younder> well there is mil-net
[13:18] <Hello> are you the computer?
[13:19] <Younder> I very much doubt you would end up on it by accident
[13:19] <cfhowlett> Hello, this is the ubuntu support channel.  please focus your question on the topic.
[13:19] <Hello> hi
[13:19] <Hello> hi
[13:19] <batemanr> hello
[13:19] <Hello> how r u
[13:20] <batemanr> good
[13:20] <BluesKaj> no textspeak here please, Hello
[13:20] <Younder> there are 1761 people on here total how about just asking a question
[13:20] <batemanr> hiiiiiii
[13:21] <lightpriest> Installing Ubuntu on a new ASUS ZenBook. I'm seeing "This computer currently has Windows Boot Manager". I have no option to "keep" it. Anyone knows what happens when I choose "Erase disk and install Ubuntu"?
[13:21] <taylorjace> hi
[13:21] <Hello> hello
[13:21] <greena> hi
[13:21] <fallentree> lightpriest: exactly what it sounds what would happen :)
[13:22] <m1m1r> lightpriest You will loose all data and have a clean disk (more or less)
[13:22] <batemanr> hello
[13:22] <carcas> Hi. I would like to add a few files to a LiveCD. What is the easiest way do to that?
[13:22] <carcas> All software I find on Google is discontinued.
[13:22] <greena> hi
[13:22] <batemanr> you are in hex chat
[13:22] <greena> ya
[13:23] <batemanr> hi max
[13:23] <greena> hi
[13:23] <fallentree> Folks form @schools.hermon.net, this is Ubuntu support channel, so if you don't need support, please stop the banter.
[13:23] <batemanr> you are here
[13:23] <taylorjace> hello
[13:23] <greena> hi
[13:23] <EriC^^> !persistence | carcas
[13:23] <Hello> tristen?
[13:23] <greena> cool
[13:24] <greena> jace hi
[13:24] <Hello> im going to log out to change my name bai
[13:24] <lightpriest> fallentree: m1m1r: Understood. I'll be more specific. I want to keep the "windows recovery" partition. I see that Ubuntu installer sometime displays "Install Ubuntu alongside Windows"
[13:24] <DJones> hello, batemanr taylorjace greena Please remember that this is the Ubuntu support channel,its not for general chat
[13:24] <carcas> EriC^^: I don' want persistence. I want the CD to be read only. I want a custom live cd (no much customisation, just add some files)
[13:24] <lightpriest> Will it remove the ability to recover completely?
[13:24] <BluesKaj> how many times are you guys gonna say hi, please ask your question if you have one
[13:25] <CIclops> hi ... i have a 14.04.1 system, can i keep it and install a new 16.04 on the same disk?
[13:25] <D> hello
[13:25] <m1m1r> carcas depending on what your goal and local setup is, you might wanna check out pxe boot
[13:25] <Guest89593> WHAT!
[13:25] <taylorjace> HOW ARE YOU
[13:25] <\9> CIclops: yes, you can dual boot two linux systems
[13:25] <hexchat3D> this is cool
[13:25] <cfhowlett> !ops | hermon.net is flooding us.  ip ban requested
[13:26] <taylorjace> sup rex
[13:26] <CIclops> \9 thanks!
[13:26] <\9> CIclops: you'll need to give room for the 16.04 installation
[13:26] <carcas> m1m1r: no... I really need it to be a cd/dvd. Is it that difficult? I used to see lots of ubuntu remasters out there. Some were just ubuntu with a different wallpaper
[13:26] <\9> CIclops: if you'd like to try ubuntu 16.04 for a short while, i'd suggest using a virtual machine instead
[13:27] <EriC^^> !customlivecd | carcas
[13:27] <m1m1r> lightpriest do you want to keep windows, or what do you want to do with the recovery partition?
[13:27] <EriC^^> carcas: uck is dead i think
[13:27] <oerheks> guys, just recieved kernel update 4.10.0-21-generic #23-Ubuntu
[13:28] <lightpriest> m1m1r: I want to keep the recovery partition, Windows is not actually installed yet. Do you know if I click "Install Now" on this screen (https://goo.gl/Rsva2X) will it show me the layout before installing to confirm or will it just erase everything right away?
[13:28] <oerheks> uck is dead, try Cubic in softwarecenter https://askubuntu.com/questions/741753/how-to-use-cubic-to-create-a-custom-ubuntu-live-cd-image
[13:28] <EriC^^> carcas: ^
[13:28] <PipeItToDevNull> lightpriest, Why would you keep that, if you are reinstalling
[13:28] <carcas> EriC^^: almost all of them are dead. I found cubic (which made my computer power off twice while generating the iso) and another one (backup something) which made a huge image with video problems
[13:28] <CIclops> \9, i have plenty of room and 16.4 on another machine, thanks again
[13:29] <carcas> oerheks: I tried. The computer powered off while generating the iso. Tried twice
[13:29] <m1m1r> lightpriest I think so, but it's bin a while since I last tried this
[13:29] <EriC^^> lightpriest: it'll erase everything i think, go for "Something else" at the bottom
[13:29] <oerheks> carcas, due to cubic or overheating???
[13:29] <m1m1r> If you have some time, I can try
[13:29] <PipeItToDevNull> lightpriest, I am sorry, I thought I was in a different channel, disregard
[13:29] <carcas> EriC^^: I read that tutorial. Is that the easiest available way? All that squashfs and all
[13:30] <lightpriest> PipeItToDevNull: work laptop, want to keep the option to.. oh it's ok :)
[13:30] <m1m1r> lightpriest 16.04?
[13:30] <lightpriest> m1m1r: yes
[13:30] <carcas> oerheks: I would guess cubic, since it happened twice using it. Haven't seen that happen before
[13:30] <PipeItToDevNull> lightpriest, Is that an OEM recovery partition that can be accesssed at boot?
[13:30] <EriC^^> carcas: i've no experience with the custom live cd stuff, just an idea you could make an actual install and maybe set it to read-only mounting?
[13:30] <lightpriest> EriC^^: Though I might let Ubuntu installer do that :)
[13:30] <lightpriest> PipeItToDevNull: yeah
[13:31] <lightpriest> EriC^^: Thought*
[13:31] <tushar> ioria: I tried dist-upgrade command
[13:31] <Traveler> Since Ubuntu is removing Unity in its future releases, would it be a good idea to install gnome-ubuntu-desktop now and remove Unity?
[13:31] <carcas> EriC^^: I'll make it available to other people. Has to be a cd
[13:31] <tushar> still uname -a shows output Linux saket 3.19.0-80-generic #88~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 13 14:54:07 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:31] <EriC^^> carcas: oh
[13:32] <EriC^^> Traveler: i'd suggest clean installing ubuntu gnome later when it's out
[13:32] <Younder> Traveler, Why bother? Unity works fine for now. The next LTS is up next year. Do it then would be my advice
[13:32] <tushar> ioria: Linux saket 3.19.0-80-generic #88~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 13 14:54:07 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:32] <oerheks> carcas, cubic does a huge amount of calculus, so i wonder
[13:32] <curly_brace> is there a keylogger software for ubuntu?
[13:33] <carcas> I'm willing to try a different distro. I thought about ubuntu because I've seem dozens of remasters before. Thought it would be easier
[13:33] <EriC^^> !ot | curly_brace
[13:33] <Younder> In general always try for a full reinstall on a LTS.
[13:33] <carcas> oerheks: I didn't bother to find out the cause. Do you like cubic?
[13:33] <oerheks> !info logkeys
[13:34] <Younder> carcas, It was. Now it is not so easy. but CentOs has gotten cool
[13:34] <leftyfb> curly_brace: if you type it into google you'll find the answer immediately
[13:34] <oerheks> carcas, it works, and no, i don't like custom iso builders, i use preseed only
[13:34] <gabrielschulhof> Hey! I'm trying to boot a xenial cloud image on VirtualBox. I've converted it to a VDI and I've set up the #cloud-config ISO image, but it boots up too fast to give me a chance to edit the kernel command line.
[13:34] <gabrielschulhof> I've also tried loop-mounting the .img, but that fails. What file system is on it?
[13:35] <m1m1r> lightpriest dd takes its time -.-
[13:35] <gabrielschulhof> Basically, how can I get the cloud image to boot and let me log in?
[13:35] <carcas> Younder: I was thinking about puppy. Is centos easy for that? I just need a few files added (removing packages would make the image smaller, but it isn't mandatory)
[13:36] <curly_brace> yep, sorry about that
[13:36] <Younder> mlmlr: well cat can be used in the place of dd (yes for sectors and for binary)
[13:36] <Younder> -And it is much faster
[13:36] <curly_brace> my question was, is there a software that log keys in ubuntu?
[13:36] <cfhowlett> carcas, this is ubuntu support.  please continue this topic in #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:36] <m1m1r> Younder to write a image to a stick? do you have the command? I didn't knew about that
[13:37] <akik_> gabrielschulhof: have you tried to open it with losetup? "losetup -fv image.img"
[13:37] <leftyfb> curly_brace: did you bother looking up on google or the app you were given?
[13:37] <carcas> systemback is the name of the other software I tried
[13:37] <pynki> !info logkeys | curly_brace
[13:37] <oerheks> curly_brace, read back, logkeys
[13:38] <curly_brace> i tried logkeys, but it is not working on my system
[13:38] <curly_brace> or i just don't know how to use it
[13:38] <gabrielschulhof> akik_: That woks, but then how do I mount it?
[13:38] <oerheks> curly_brace, oh, read a manual perhaps?
[13:38] <leftyfb> curly_brace: good luck. Either way, that's out of the scope of support here.
[13:39] <gabrielschulhof> akik_: mount -t auto /dev/loop0 /mnt gives me an error.
[13:39] <akik_> gabrielschulhof: try "fdisk -l /dev/loop0" if that's what the loop device is now
[13:39] <pynki> curly_brace, http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man8/logkeys.8.html read this
[13:39] <Younder> keyloggers try i0pt
[13:39] <m1m1r> lightpriest you will get a Pop-up informing you about the changes when you click in Install now, and you can still go back if you don't like the layout
[13:39] <octopen> hi. I used GNU Parallel to launch a text file of commands, then I used it to launch another text file of commands. will Parallel try to execute the first list of commands first, or will it try to simultaneously run both lists?
[13:39] <gabrielschulhof> akik_: OK, that outputs information about the size of the disk.
[13:40] <akik_> gabrielschulhof: if it's gpt partitioned, use "gdisk -l /dev/loop0"
[13:40] <gabrielschulhof> akik_: Nothing about partitions.
[13:40] <akik_> gabrielschulhof: ok then try "kpartx -av /dev/loop0"
[13:40] <oerheks> gabrielschulhof, virtualbox, perhaps see the settings, maybe you need to give more videomemory or more cpu time?
[13:41] <oerheks> not sure why you need kernel options in virtualbox ..
[13:41] <gabrielschulhof> oerheks: The vdi boots just fine, but it hangs.
[13:41] <lightpriest> m1m1r: thanks!
[13:41] <m1m1r> np
[13:42] <gabrielschulhof> oerheks: So, I'm trying to either add ds=nocloud-net to the kernel command line, but grub is too fast, or loop-mount it and add it to grub.cfg - it fails to loop mount.
[13:43] <gabrielschulhof> akik_: No output from kpartx
[13:43] <EriC^^> gabrielschulhof: in virtualbox you have to click on the window of the vm before holding shift for it to work
[13:43] <gabrielschulhof> EriC^^: I know. I have. No use.
[13:43] <akik_> gabrielschulhof: ok maybe it's not a hd image then. what does "file image.img" tell you?
[13:43] <m1m1r> curly_brace bash script utilising xev, grep and echo
[13:43] <akik_> gabrielschulhof: you can remove the loop device with "losetup -d /dev/loop0"
[13:43] <EriC^^> gabrielschulhof: try "lsblk" now after akik's command
[13:44] <EriC^^> (before doing losetup -d)
[13:44] <gabrielschulhof> akik_: It's QCOW :/
[13:44] <gabrielschulhof> akik_: so, I need to convert it to raw first.
[13:46] <gabrielschulhof> EriC^^: Don't worry - I don't have any loop devices hanging around.
[13:47] <gabrielschulhof> EriC^^: I'll try again with the raw image.
[13:48] <gabrielschulhof> akik_: So, losetup of the .raw file worked.
[13:48] <EriC^^> gabrielschulhof: i meant to try lsblk after kpartx, anyways nevermind
[13:48] <gabrielschulhof> akik_: Now, I need a special file for the partition.
[13:48] <EriC^^> gabrielschulhof: try kpartx -av again, it should do it
[13:48] <akik_> gabrielschulhof: the kpartx -av command should add them automatically under /dev/mapper
[13:50] <gabrielschulhof> akik_: Yaaaay! It's mounted
[13:50] <gabrielschulhof> EriC^^: ^
[13:50] <tetotronic> Hello. My Ubuntu Mate 16.04.02 is loading some kind of a Bluetooth at startup. Actually it does not have a Bluetooth device of any kind.
[13:51] <tetotronic> Any idea why this is...? How may I prevent it?
[13:51] <m1m1r> its probably just the kernel module
[13:51] <tetotronic> It is a kind of old Acer Aspire One Netbook
[13:51] <EriC^^> gabrielschulhof: nice, if you plan to update-grub remember to mount bind /dev /dev/pts /proc & /sys
[13:51] <m1m1r> tetotronic its probably just the kernel module
[13:52] <gabrielschulhof> EriC^^: I was just planning on editing its config file. No need to reinstall grub.
[13:52] <oerheks> tetotronic, if it has BT, sounds normal
[13:52] <EriC^^> gabrielschulhof: ok, cool
[13:52] <akik_> gabrielschulhof: to undo the loop you can run "kpartx -dv /dev/loop0" and "losetup -d /dev/loop0"
[13:52] <tetotronic> oerheks, it does not have BT
[13:53] <gabrielschulhof> akik_: Thanks!
[13:54] <oerheks> tetotronic, how do you tell it loads BT modules ?? some Acer Aspire One models comes with bt
[13:54] <tetotronic> m1m1r, I see. I am under the impression that by being loaded it consumes system resources, does it not?
[13:54] <oerheks> wifi/bt combo
[13:54] <tetotronic> :|
[13:54] <m1m1r> tetotronic I dont know the name of the module but you can use lsmod and see if something familiar commes up
[13:55] <Younder> lsusb
[13:56] <tetotronic> oerheks, I will check it out, but before it had the original Windows system and it did not load any BT device.
[13:56] <gabrielschulhof> EriC^^, akik_: Logged in as root. Thanks for your help!
[13:56] <akik_> nice. can you report back whether the grub change helped
[13:56] <Younder> bluetooth is unreliable at best
[13:56] <Younder> regardless of os
[13:57] <EriC^^> gabrielschulhof: np, remember if you want the changes to be permanent after updates and stuff edit /etc/default/grub and then update-grub
[13:57] <gabrielschulhof> EriC^^: Good point, although this is pretty much a throw-away image, since I'm only trying to repro something.
[13:58] <EriC^^> gabrielschulhof: oh ok :)
[13:58] <Younder> Will ubuntu stick with grub2 after 18.04?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> Younder,  there's no point making your opinions into general statements
[13:58] <EriC^^> Younder: why not? is there a better bootloader around?
[13:58] <oerheks> Younder, lets see in the future ...
[13:58] <oerheks> no, yes, maybe
[13:58] <Younder> As far as I was concerned grub2 was a downgrade from grub. More complicated to use and manage
[13:59] <cfhowlett> Younder, 18.04+ is not even in development yet. let's assign this convo to speculative and #off-topic in this channel.
[13:59] <pynki> Younder, try LILO! there will be a way to install this simpelton on ubuntu too :D
[14:00] <oerheks> ugh, lilo, bad advise
[14:00] <Younder> he knows, he was just being sarcasic
[14:01] <fallentree> Younder: I wonder what kind of use case you have there that the automated grub2 configuration can't handle
[14:01] <Younder> None I wouldn't prefer to handle with grub
[14:02] <Younder> But heck I am just a crabby old stickler
[14:02] <BluesKaj> fallentree,  don't encourage his baseless negativity
[14:02] <Younder> It was just simpler to setup and run, ok
[14:03] <Younder> It is not baseless
[14:03] <fallentree> simpler than running grub-install?
[14:04] <Younder> simpler to have one config file
[14:04] <fallentree> Younder: you can still have it, the grub2 config file doesn't need to have all that
[14:04] <fallentree> you can write one manually for minimum requirements to boot a kernel
[14:05] <BluesKaj> Younder,  grub 2 is default, simple as that , take it up with the devs at #ubuntu-devel
[14:06] <skycarl>  skycarl   catalina   caishui97@gmail.com
[14:06] <mrvirus> hey
[14:06] <fallentree> it's like looking at a fully installed Ubuntu desktop and complaining it sucks because you only need a simple base installation you can get by debootstrapping it and installing  ubuntu-base and optionally ubuntu-standard, two packages.
[14:07] <Younder> whatever. Go on bickering for what I care.
[14:07] <pynki> well, someone jsut burned an email address :)
[14:08] <cfhowlett> and a password ...
[14:08] <pynki> thats not a password ;)
[14:08] <Younder> so...
[14:08] <Younder> we all have many
[14:08] <pynki> it better is not...
[14:08] <Younder> No terrorism, please
[14:09] <Delvien> Guys, this is not a place for your chit chat, go to offtopic-ubuntu for that.
[14:10] <curly_brace> <m1m1r> curly_brace bash script utilising xev, grep and echo <- i need to learn about these three?
[14:11] <curly_brace> i mean bash script utilizing xev, grep and echo?
[14:11] <m1m1r> well, yes, it would be a homebuild solution.
[14:11] <Younder> you might as well learn set as well
[14:12] <m1m1r> or shell scripting in general
[14:15] <curly_brace> ok m1m1r
[14:15] <Younder> As a general book I like 'expert shell scripting' by pierce
[14:15] <curly_brace> well i think logkeys is not working tho
[14:15] <curly_brace> it's just doesn't logs
[14:16] <curly_brace> logs
[14:16] <curly_brace> log
[14:22] <pynki> curly_brace, you edited /etc/default/logkeys?
[14:22] <pynki> to your needs?
[14:23] <curly_brace> pynki, nope
[14:24] <curly_brace> and actually i do not know how to edit this
[14:25] <curly_brace> for example i do not know my default hardware
[14:25] <curly_brace> # This should be updated according to your hardware
[14:25] <curly_brace> # Check README.Debian for more info
[14:25] <curly_brace> DEVICE=/dev/input/event5
[14:27] <curly_brace> pynki you got disconnected, i hope you have read my message
[14:27] <curly_brace> but this is stated here
[14:27] <curly_brace> # This should be updated according to your hardware
[14:27] <curly_brace> # Check README.Debian for more info
[14:27] <curly_brace> DEVICE=/dev/input/event5
[14:28] <curly_brace> i do not know what hardware i have, and how to check it.
[14:28] <genericman> screenfetch
[14:28] <genericman> sudo apt install screenfetch
[14:29] <DJones> genericman: I think you're in the wrong terminal window for those commands
[14:29] <genericman> Whoops!
[14:33] <pynkii> curly_brace, i do not knwo your hardware either ;)
[14:33] <curly_brace> but is there a way, to check my hardware?
[14:34] <curly_brace> or what command do i have to run inorder to view that?
[14:35] <DJones> curly_brace: In a terminal, you could try "hwinfo" to get details of hardware, or "lspci" or "lsusb"
[14:35] <m1m1r> lspci, lshw
[14:42] <zetheroo> I would like to update the packages on a 14.04 server but there are some packages I don't want to update - how do I stop those from getting updated?
[14:42] <nacc> !pinning | zetheroo
[14:44] <pynkii> zetheroo, apt-mark hold package
[14:44] <pynkii> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man8/apt-mark.8.html
[14:44] <curly_brace> actually, still nothing is happening with logkeys
[14:44] <curly_brace> lol
[14:44] <curly_brace> but thanks anyways guys
[14:44] <curly_brace> Logging started ...
[14:44] <curly_brace> 2017-05-16 22:11:35+0800 >
[14:44] <curly_brace> Logging stopped at 2017-05-16 22:14:23+0800
[14:44] <curly_brace> Logging started ...
[14:44] <curly_brace> 2017-05-16 22:14:25+0800 >
[14:44] <zetheroo> ok, thanks
[14:44] <bgardner> I did apt full-upgrade on a 16.04.2 LTS laptop yesterday.  It went fine but after reboot my speakers don't work.  After much searching and testing it looks like HDMI works, headphones work but regular laptop speakers don't.  No errors noted in any logs.  Thoughts?
[14:45] <pynkii> bgardner, checked if they are muted?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> bgardner,  check your pulseaudio/pavucontrol settings
[14:46] <bgardner> pynkii: I did indeed, I know that's a common issue
[14:48] <bgardner> BluesKaj: Checking pavucontrol, more options here that I hadn't seen but still only silence on the "Speakers" output port
[14:49] <BluesKaj> bgardner,  ok open alsamixer in the console and check your vol ctrls there
[14:50] <bgardner> BluesKaj: Causing sound events (like aplay filename) makes bar in pavucontrol flicker like audio is playing, but still silent.
[14:50] <bgardner> Already reviewed alsamixer, but I'll check again to be sure, one sec.
[14:51] <bgardner> "Headphones" was listed as muted, unmuted but it had no other effect
[14:52] <pynkiii> bgardner, the speakers are listed?
[14:53] <bgardner> pynki: Yes, Master, Headphones, Speaker (left to right), all now at 100
[14:53] <BluesKaj> don't suppose automute is enabled on the far right ..
[14:53] <bgardner> BluesKaj: It... is?  What the heck is that?
[14:53] <pynki> the name is quite descriptive...
[14:54] <pynki> bgardner, https://superuser.com/questions/431079/how-to-disable-auto-mute-mode
[14:54] <BluesKaj> bgardner,  it's muted by default to prevent bneing blaste...anyat that's what i was told
[14:54] <BluesKaj> blasted
[14:55] <bgardner> pynki, BluesKaj: Thanks, reading link
[14:55] <blenderpro> image magic is fraud it looks 1994 but it acsts like 2010 so fuck it
[14:55] <blenderpro> sorry :)
[14:55] <blenderpro> is so slow on my pentium 3
[14:55] <blenderpro> every paint stroke takes 1 sec to draw
[14:55] <BluesKaj> use the down arrow after navigateing to the ctl bgardner
[14:56] <bgardner> BluesKaj: Did it, still no speaker audio
[14:56] <BluesKaj> then it must be a pulse thing...
[14:57] <bgardner> Found it!
[14:57] <Capprentice> hi how do you choose the spcfic eth0 or eth1 adapter to bridge to a vmnet under ubuntu on Vmware player?
[14:58] <bgardner> alsamixer - loopback mixer mode was disabled
[14:58] <bgardner> pynki, BluesKaj : I don't know what that does, but this did fix it.
[14:58] <BluesKaj> ahh, bgardner good to know
[14:59] <BluesKaj> I never disable it anyway...didn't think of that
[14:59] <bgardner> pynki, BluesKaj: Thanks to both of you, wouldn't have gotten there without your feedback.
[15:00] <zetheroo> when setting up softraid1 during Ubuntu installation I get to the GRUB install and it fails
[15:00] <BluesKaj> bgardner,  is this a laptop
[15:00] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:01] <bgardner> BluesKaj: Yes, a System76 Gazelle
[15:01] <BluesKaj> oh neat :-0
[15:02] <pynki> bgardner, give them a hint about that to "System76 laptops are custom-built to run Ubuntu flawlessly" ;)
[15:03] <bgardner> heh
[15:03] <tekisui> is fat32 food for linux ?
[15:03] <tekisui> good*
[15:03]  * pynki thinks penguins eat fish
[15:03] <Qwertie> Is anyone using hexchat here? I think I found a really easy bug to reproduce
[15:03] <dStruct> tekisui: it's not bad for it, it's just not a native filesystem to it
[15:03] <tekisui> ah
[15:04] <tekisui> yes hexchat
[15:04] <dStruct> tekisui: did you have a question about it?
[15:04] <Qwertie> If you pull the userlist sidebar over into where the username/timestams are it does the windows XP window duplicating thing when you pull it back
[15:04] <pynki> Qwertie, pm - thats off topic here
[15:04] <tekisui> well some of partition gives error
[15:04] <tekisui> when opening
[15:04] <blenderpro> can someone tell me how to run links2 in graphical mode in xubuntu
[15:05] <tekisui> is small bug
[15:05] <dStruct> tekisui: ahh it may have an issue at either the hardware or software level most likely
[15:06] <tekisui> hmm ok
[15:06] <dStruct> tekisui: have you checked the volume/filesystem for errors
[15:06] <tekisui> how i do that ?
[15:06] <dStruct> tekisui: try fsck
[15:07] <pynki> blenderpro, add the -g option on startup
[15:07] <tekisui> is says filesystem is attached
[15:07] <tekisui> if i continue heavy damage
[15:07] <dStruct> tekisui: yes, you're going to want to unmount the drive before you try to scan it and/or repair it
[15:08] <tekisui> fsck ~storage~
[15:08] <tekisui> ?
[15:08] <tekisui> storage is name of parition
[15:08] <pynki> blenderpro, needs the --enable-graphics flag given when running ./configure. but you can read the manpage yourself i think
[15:09] <dStruct> tekisui: lsblk will show you all block devices connected, then umount <device> and then fsck <device>
[15:09] <tekisui> ─sda4   8:4    0 244,1G  0 part
[15:09] <tekisui> this should be it
[15:10] <tekisui> so fsck sda4 ?
[15:10] <pynki> fsck /dev/sda4
[15:10] <dStruct> tekisui: what pynki said, as long as it's not mounted it should run fine
[15:11] <pynki> tekisui, umount/dev/sda4 - yes,yes,yes, until it shuts up
[15:11] <tekisui> 'fsck' uit util-linux 2.27.1
[15:11] <tekisui> e2fsck 1.42.13 (17-May-2015)
[15:11] <tekisui> ~_Storage_~: schoon, 12885/16007168 bestanden, 12275853/63999744 blokken
[15:11] <tekisui> schoon means clean
[15:11] <dStruct> tekisui: careful, if you paste too much here you'll get kicked/muted
[15:12] <tekisui> ok..
[15:12] <FishPencil> If I grant www-data access to $HOME/www, do I also need to grant www-data permission for $HOME so it can see within it to find www?
[15:12] <dStruct> tekisui: now what happens when you try to mount sda4?
[15:12] <tekisui> ah now it works
[15:12] <blenderpro> pynki: I installed it from apt-get but thanks I just did it
[15:12] <tekisui> did it fix anything ?
[15:12] <tekisui> brb rabota
[15:13] <dStruct> tekisui: it may have fixed something minor, it usually reports any major problems and asks if you want to fix them, sounds like it was just a dirty filesystem
[15:13] <dStruct> and he left, gotta love that lol, feel used much?
[15:13] <pynki> dStruct, i think he restarts
[15:14] <dStruct> pynki: ahh I see..
[15:14] <mrvirus> hey
[15:14] <dStruct> mrvirus: hello
[15:15] <pynki> rabota seems to be reboot in dutch? or some other close to german language :D
[15:15] <mrvirus> you from ?
[15:15] <pynki> aloha
[15:15] <mrvirus> from where bro
[15:15] <mrvirus> can someone help me
[15:15] <mrvirus> i have proplem on fluxion tool
[15:15] <pynki> !ask | mrvirus
[15:15] <dStruct> mrvirus: they can if you ask a question :D
[15:16] <mrvirus> i have proplem on fluxion tool , bully,dhcpd,hostapd,lighttpd,mdk3,php5-cgi not instaled why ?
[15:17] <mrvirus> any answer ?
[15:17] <dStruct> mrvirus: so chances are you will not find any support here for helping you crack wifi encryption, secondly you should be aware that software is not part of Ubuntu as well, and this channel is for Ubuntu support specifically
[15:17] <mrvirus> ah
[15:17] <mrvirus> okay sorry brother bye
[15:19] <boboma> ubuntu is sometimes such a crap. todays update of gdm3 broke the possibility to log out into login screen and also to switch users.
[15:19] <boboma> what kind of quality testing is behind that i wonder
[15:20] <SimonNL> the best to peoples knowledge.
[15:20] <dStruct> boboma: what version are you running?
[15:21] <genii> boboma: Become part of the solution and join a QA testing team
[15:21] <dStruct> ^^
[15:21]  * dan hi
[15:22] <boboma> running zesty
[15:24] <dStruct> boboma: is it possible you don't have a clean system, i.e. 3rd party packages have been installed manually?  I have a zesty system right next to this one and it has zero issues logging in/out
[15:24] <blenderpro> gosh links2 doesn't support javascript. is there a website I can use to upload imageis that works with links2
[15:25] <boboma> dStruct, no, only ubuntu official sources.
[15:25] <boboma> whats your gdm-version, dStruct
[15:25] <boboma> ?
[15:27] <dStruct> boboma: 3.18.3 on that system
[15:29] <boboma> well, recent is 3.24.1
[15:29] <boboma> better not to update then
[15:30] <dStruct> boboma: if there is a bug, you may want to consider submitting a bug report about it, to provide the devs the information they need to help fix it.  They real question is, is it an issue with Ubuntu or Gnome itself
[15:30] <dStruct> boboma: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[15:32] <boboma> well the only question that is real for me is why did they not check this before pushing a new version...
[15:32] <ioria> boboma, how did you run the upgrade ? via command line  ?
[15:33] <dStruct> boboma: are you sure this isn't related to the known nvidia driver issue?
[15:35] <tomreyn> !info gdm3 zesty | boboma
[15:36] <tomreyn> os that'S the package version you're referring to, right?
[15:40] <boboma> ioria, apt update and apt upgrade
[15:40] <boboma> dStruct, i have intel drivers
[15:41] <boboma> tomreyn, the package version is the software version in this case or how do you mean that question?
[15:41] <dStruct> boboma: I have another box running gdm 3.24.1 and don't have any issues there either
[15:41] <ioria> boboma, can you paste /var/log/apt/history.log ?
[15:42] <tomreyn> boboma: i'm basically asking what 'dpkg -l gdm3' returns.
[15:42] <uodopekka> question for those a little more familiar with bootable thumb drives
[15:42] <boboma> dStruct, strange, maybe it only affects intel?
[15:42] <boboma> ioria, https://paste.debian.net/932730/
[15:42] <tomreyn> boboma: ...to understand which package version you have installed. ioria's suggestion also sounds good to me. maybe add the output of running "apt-get update; apt-cache policy" as well
[15:43] <boboma> tomreyn:  3.24.1-0ubuntu0.1
[15:43] <dStruct> boboma: the other machine has an nvidia gpu, so it's possible.  We need to know more about your system as tomreyn is asking
[15:43] <uodopekka> I'm looking to partition the thumb drive so that part of it is a linux drive not readable by windows, and the rest being an ntfs drive I can use for general storage
[15:43] <uodopekka> is this possible, how do I approach this?
[15:43] <boboma> dStruct, what else do you need to know?
[15:44] <dStruct> boboma: i'll let tomreyn help you, he knows more about it then I
[15:45] <dStruct> uodopekka: linux filesystems are not readable by windows that I'm aware of, unless there is some 3rd party software out there somewhere
[15:45] <ioria> boboma, have you rebooted after the upgrade ?
[15:45] <boboma> ioria, yes
[15:45] <uodopekka> right, hence why I want to partition the thumb drive, to something readable by windows, and then a linux specific boot drive
[15:45] <boboma> twice in fact because i was surprised that it does not work anymore
[15:46] <ioria> boboma, can you try the previous -20-  kernel ?
[15:46] <boboma> ioria, do you think this is a kernel problem?
[15:46] <dStruct> uodopekka: ahh gotcha, so you probably want to use the FAT filesystem if you can for the other part of the thumb drive
[15:46] <boboma> I have the feeling that it is a gdm problem
[15:46] <ioria> boboma, nope, no be honest
[15:46] <uodopekka> not necessarily in that order, just so that the end result is a drive I can use as a linux drive and a partition for general storage
[15:46] <ioria> boboma, just a try
[15:47] <boboma> I think as long as there's no new version pushed there might be no solution to this problem
[15:47] <boboma> annoying
[15:47] <boboma> how to roll back gdm3?
[15:47] <uodopekka> alright, I'll keep that in mind, I haven't actually started this project yet, I just like knowing whre I am going in advance
[15:47] <dStruct> uodopekka: well you should be able to partition the thumb drive however you like, if you want to split if down the middle and do 50% linux 50% windows/FAT32 you can
[15:47] <ioria> boboma, can't you try lightdm ?
[15:48] <uodopekka> thanks ^_^
[15:48] <dStruct> uodopekka: sure thing :D
[15:48] <boboma> tomreyn, apt update shows nothing special. apt-policy shows a lot but i do not see any strange things. loonking for something specific?
[15:48] <boboma> ioria, I run ubuntu gnome - I'd rather not install lightdm
[15:49] <boboma> but thanks for the suggestion
[15:49] <ioria> boboma,  ok,  so   sudo apt full-upgrade   what it says ?
[15:49] <boboma> all good, says nothing
[15:50] <tomreyn> boboma: my intent was to rule out package dependency issues and untracked foreign packages
[15:50] <boboma> tomreyn, ah, ok. I do not have 3rd party packages installed.
[15:51] <boboma> also most likely i think the recent update was not tested thoroughly
[15:51] <boboma> which is bad
[15:51] <ioria> boboma,  take a log at ~/.xsession-errors
[15:51] <tomreyn> boboma: how do you know, did you never have any on this system?
[15:52] <nacc> boboma: the update to gdm3 being this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1686257
[15:52] <boboma> ioria, theres no file named like that
[15:52] <boboma> tomreyn, sure I installed some 3rd party things. but not recently and nothing critical.
[15:52] <boboma> nacc, yes
[15:52] <nacc> boboma: have you tried undoing the update?
[15:53] <boboma> nacc, how can this be done?
[15:53] <boboma> tried with synaptic but this does not work
[15:53] <nacc> sudo apt install gdm3=3.18.3-0ubuntu2
[15:53] <nacc> iirc
[15:54] <nacc> boboma: that might fail, but it will say why (dependencies), keep adding versioned dependenciees if needed (i cna help with this after my upcoming meeting, or others can)
[15:54] <tomreyn> boboma: for example, if you had 3rd party repositories or debs installed using the same package name which raised the version number above whats available from the official repos you might still have those packages installed, breaking package dependencies and there would be no obvious way to detect this. based on what you say, though, my guess is this is maybe not the case here.
[15:54] <puzzlenuts47> Aaaa.. guys, I like Ubuntu, but it eats around 800MB RAM out of 2.8GB at idle time. Unity runs painfully slow. Any alternative ?
[15:54] <boboma> nacc, you sure you do not mean 3.24.0-0ubuntu2?
[15:54] <nacc> puzzlenuts47: how much ram is being used is not a measure of anything
[15:55] <nacc> boboma: i thought you were on 16.04?
[15:55] <boboma> no, i am on 17.04
[15:55] <manako_> yes
[15:55] <nacc> boboma: if on 17.04, then you want 3.24.0-0ubuntu2, yes (you had mentioned 3.18 earlier)
[15:55] <manako_> funny
[15:55] <nacc> puzzlenuts47: unity running slowly is probably something else
[15:55] <boboma> tomreyn, ok, fair enough. but I don't see which one that could be
[15:55] <ioria> boboma, but you can login , right ? just the log out and switch features not working  ....
[15:56] <puzzlenuts47> Actually jack server error during LinageOS compilation
[15:56] <boboma> ioria, i have autologin
[15:56] <nacc> puzzlenuts47: there are many options for desktop environments
[15:56] <nacc> puzzlenuts47: what?
[15:56] <boboma> but i cannot see the login screen
[15:56] <ioria> boboma, if you have autologin you don't see the login screen
[15:56] <puzzlenuts47> I tried LXDE, Pretty good
[15:57] <boboma>  ioria right. but if I log out
[15:57] <boboma> i see the login screen usually. but not now anymore
[15:57] <oerheks> "eats around 800MB RAM out of 2.8GB " is that bad???
[15:57] <jbicha> hi
[15:57] <dStruct> puzzlenuts47: take a look at Windows memory utilization, you'll have to change your pants :D
[15:57] <oerheks> hi jbicha
[15:57] <ioria> boboma,  try to enable again the password
[15:58] <nacc> jbicha: boboma is the affected user
[15:58] <jbicha> boboma: can you repeat what's been said?
[15:58] <puzzlenuts47> According to me, anything more than 1/4th RAM at idle is not impressive
[15:58] <nacc> puzzlenuts47: you want all your ram to be in use at all times
[15:58] <nacc> puzzlenuts47: 'idle' RAM is wasteful
[15:58] <puzzlenuts47> Windows ? What is that ?
[15:58] <boboma> jbicha, i cannot see the login screen anymore and also user switch does not work anymore after updating gdm3 today
[15:58] <boboma> ubuntu gnome 17.04
[15:59] <puzzlenuts47> I want something like around 200mb at idle
[15:59] <nacc> puzzlenuts47: why?
[15:59] <nacc> puzzlenuts47: that's arbitrary and misunderstand what RAM is
[15:59] <jbicha> boboma: have you tried reverting to the old gdm3?
[16:00] <boboma> jbicha, do you have a quick command for that? because it complains about gir1 and libgdm1
[16:00] <puzzlenuts47> It feels good.. :D to impress my Microsoft brother
[16:01] <nacc> puzzlenuts47: well, it's nonsensical, so figure out something else :)
[16:01] <dStruct> puzzlenuts47: I'm only using 15% of my ram and I've got a couple things open
[16:01] <nacc> boboma: the same line i gave eralier, but add libgdm1=... gir1.2-gdm-1.0=... I guess?
[16:01] <puzzlenuts47> What RAM is anyway ? All I know about RAM is it's a temporary memory where data loads into
[16:01] <nacc> puzzlenuts47: offtopic for here
[16:02] <puzzlenuts47> Correct me if I am wrong
[16:02] <nacc> puzzlenuts47: but seriously, you thought a particualr metric was relevant, but had no idea what it was?
[16:02] <jbicha> boboma: I don't know the "best" way to do it, but one way to do it is to run something like 'sudo apt install gdm3=3.24.0-0ubuntu2 libgdm1=3.24.0-0ubuntu2 gir1.2-gdm-1.0=3.24.0-0ubuntu2"
[16:04] <boboma> jbicha, E: Version '3.24.0-0ubuntu0.1' for 'gir1.2-gdm-1.0' was not found
[16:04] <puzzlenuts47> Yeah.. forgive me for that... But low ram at idle time will help me to RUN Vbox and host machine more responsivly
[16:04] <puzzlenuts47> I rhink
[16:04] <puzzlenuts47> *think
[16:04] <boboma> jbicha, sorry, mixed up the numbers
[16:04] <boboma> one second
[16:05] <jbicha> boboma: and of course, restart after applying the update
[16:05] <jbicha> or downgrade
[16:05] <boboma> jbicha, downgraded. give me a second, i will test it
[16:05] <nacc> puzzlenuts47: no, linux will dtrt with your memory
[16:07] <boboma> jbicha, tested with the downgraded version of gdm3. works as expected
[16:09] <Capprentice> Hi where is the option to select the custom adapter. Here i want to select eth0,eth1 and eth2 for seperate bridge vmnet1,2 and 3. https://i.imgur.com/KR6bwYK.png
[16:10] <boboma> may i add one more thing: the user switch is kind of dysfunctional for quite some time. Means if you want to switch users you initially have to log out and log in again to have the user switch working. It's another problem of course
[16:10] <CIclops> hi again ... i want to install 16.04.2 onto a disk that already has 14.01 installed with a swap area, do i need to create an empty partition?
[16:11] <boboma> CIclops, it should recognize the old version and offer you an upgrade. if thats what you want
[16:11] <ioria> boboma, idk if downgrading has been a good idea, but if it works, works :þ
[16:11] <CIclops> boboma, i would like to keep the old version as a backup
[16:12] <jbicha> boboma: ok, I tested here with Ubuntu GNOME 17.04 and can't reproduce your problem after updating gdm3
[16:12] <boboma> jbicha, do you run intel graphics?
[16:12] <jbicha> boboma: could you try upgrading gdm3 again to see if that triggers the bug again?
[16:12] <boboma> jbicha, yes, I can do that.
[16:13] <mrvirus> can anyone help me
[16:13] <mrvirus> any supporter
[16:14] <boboma> jbicha, give me a minute to reboot
[16:14] <mrvirus> .
[16:14] <mrvirus> can any one help ?
[16:14] <nacc> !ask | mrvirus
[16:15] <mrvirus> my browser not join can u help me ?
[16:15] <mrvirus> they tell me firfox had a problem and crashed
[16:16] <mrvirus> ?
[16:16] <mrvirus_> can any one help me
[16:16] <nacc> mrvirus_: so you can't start firefox at all?
[16:16] <mrvirus_> yes
[16:17] <nacc> mrvirus_: run it from a terminal and pastebin the output to the terminal
[16:17] <nacc> !pastebin | mrvirus_
[16:17] <boboma> jbicha, i narrowed it down somewhat
[16:17] <jbicha> boboma: yes, I tested in both my primary computer on Intel graphics, and in VBox
[16:18] <mrvirus_> i cant join in  with tremnal
[16:18] <boboma> try the following. Boot up, try to switch user. gives me a black screen and then jumps back to the primary user
[16:18] <boboma> then logout also gives me a black screen
[16:18] <jbicha> boboma: yeah, that works for me
[16:18] <boboma> strange
[16:19] <boboma> if i logout after reboot that works. but if i try to switch users first it does not work anymore.
[16:19] <boboma> I run intel skylake
[16:19] <mrvirus_> can anyone give me url from github of some browser
[16:19] <Capprentice> Hi where is the option to select the custom adapter. Here i want to select eth0,eth1 and eth2 for seperate bridge vmnet1,2 and 3. https://i.imgur.com/KR6bwYK.png
[16:19] <ioria> boboma, the other user is functional ?
[16:20] <boboma> ioria, yes
[16:20] <boboma> it anyways does not show me another user. just a black screen
[16:20] <boboma> and then jumps back to the primary user
[16:20] <ioria> boboma, i'd take a look of the second user config
[16:21] <nacc> mrvirus_: i don't know what you mean "join in". Run 'firefox' from the terminal and c&p the output into a pastebin
[16:21] <boboma> ioria, i don't think that is the problem.
[16:21] <boboma> also it worked yesterday
[16:21] <boboma> it's not supposed to be like this
[16:21] <blenderpro> can someone tell me if my network config looks good? http://txt.do/d94zj
[16:21] <ioria> boboma, try to add a new test user
[16:21] <boboma> jbicha, any log i can give you to see the problem?
[16:22] <boboma> ioria, I got 3 users already. it worked yesterday. I did not install or change anything. I don't see the point of setting up another user
[16:23] <mrvirus> blend... wait bro when i finish my proplem i will tell you
[16:23] <boboma> not to mention it also works after a downgrade
[16:23] <jbicha> boboma: please go ahead and file a new bug, I recommend running 'ubuntu-bug gdm3'
[16:24] <nacc> blenderpro: do you actually need to specify those fields?
[16:24] <nacc> blenderpro: most people don't
[16:24] <boboma> hm, so you cannot do anything at this time? to me it seems like a regression. IMHO that should not be pushed to the end users
[16:24] <puzzlenuts47> puzzlenuts47: So what's the advantage of LXDE over unity then ?
[16:24] <blenderpro> nacc: yea cause it runs at 1mbit and still does that's why I ask if my file ok
[16:25] <jbicha> boboma: if you can, please report the issue to GNOME too? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=gdm
[16:25] <nacc> puzzlenuts47: resource consumption, user experience is different, not really about 'advantage's, it's about choice
[16:25] <boboma> jbicha, thanks for taking time looking into this. I will consider reporting it. Not sure if I want to spend another hour.
[16:25] <boboma> thx to anybody else
[16:26] <puzzlenuts47> I better stick to unity and gnome then. Thanks
[16:26] <jbicha> boboma: please at least file the Ubuntu bug for tracking
[16:26] <nacc> blenderpro: where did you find those strings for interfaces? I don't see them in the manpage
[16:27] <jbicha> boboma: we can't exactly stop the rollout of that update now, and unless we can figure out exactly what went wrong, reverting is not necessarily a good answer as that re-introduces some fixed bugs
[16:27] <blenderpro> nacc: from a website forum, actually those settings are specified on the ethtool manpage
[16:28] <jbicha> boboma: it could help if you could reproduce the issue from a clean install in say, VirtualBox
[16:29] <nacc> blenderpro: what website? I don't see any interfaces reference inthe ethtool manpage anymore
[16:29] <nacc> blenderpro: i only have 17.04 handy
[16:32] <blenderpro> nacc: /usr/share/doc/ethtool/README.Debian
[16:32] <blenderpro> nacc: I'm on xubuntu and is there link-speed and link-duplex
[16:33] <nacc> blenderpro: it's possible that doc is wrong
[16:33] <blenderpro> nacc: how could it be
[16:34] <mdzn> hey, i've stumbled upon https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gitit/+bug/957402. this is still present in zesty, but seems to be really easy to fix (just add dep). how do i do this?
[16:35] <nacc> blenderpro: how could a doc be wrong? because that file maybe hasn't changed in a long time?
[16:38] <nacc> blenderpro: did you reboot or restart networking after making changes to /etc/network/interfaces?
[16:41] <Hexcat01> hi, I installed ubuntu 16.04 on my laptop, when i plug my smartphone via usb to read files, etc., nothing happens, it doesnt detect the phone
[16:42] <nomic> "usbmount" command
[16:42] <blenderpro> nacc: yes still didn't work
[16:43] <nomic> sudo apt-get install usbmount
[16:43] <nomic> Hexcat01  automatically mount and unmount USB mass storage devices This package automatically mounts USB mass storage devices (typically USB pens) when they are plugged in, and unmounts them when they are removed.
[16:43] <nomic> "usbmount" install by sudo apt install usbmount
[16:43] <mach> encrypted.google.com has https and through it, will the ISP know what im searching for?
[16:43] <nomic> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB/#Automounting_.28Ubuntu_Server.29
[16:43] <nomic> "automounting"
[16:44] <nacc> mach: how is that an ubuntu support topic?
[16:44] <mach> just curious
[16:44] <nacc> mach: probably better asked in a more relevant channel
[16:44] <nacc> !alis | mach
[16:51] <Hexcat01> nomic, it must not have worked, i installed it and have plugged my external hard drive and it does pop up but the cellphone still doesnt
[16:52] <blackbird1> Hi guyz, what do tou think about CISCO certitfication N
[16:52] <nomic> mebbe go to ubuntu forums
[16:52] <blackbird1> ?
[16:52] <nomic> Hexcat01
[16:52] <nomic> is efficient to raise a topic in forums, forums v bussy
[16:52] <nacc> !ot | blackbird1
[16:53] <dStruct> Hexcat01: what phone?
[16:54] <Hexcat01> dStruct, blu energy x plus
[16:54] <dStruct> Hexcat01: hmm I'm not familiar with that one, does it support usb mass storage?  i.e. accessing files over usb?
[16:54] <Sbur3> Bus 002 Device 007: ID 04f9:01f3 Brother Industries, Ltd
[16:54] <Sbur3> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 1ea7:0066
[16:54] <backbox> hey
[16:55] <Hexcat01> dStruct, yep, its a standard android phone
[16:55] <Sbur3> I need to scan something with my Brother MFC6490CW.  What's wrong?
[16:55] <nomic> you need xsane
[16:55] <nomic> scanner program
[16:55] <nomic> sudo apt install xsane
[16:55] <nomic> will install scanner software (xsane)
[16:56] <Sbur3> aminorex: Got Xsane and Simple Scan. Neither find the scanner
[16:57] <ducasse> Sbur3: have you checked the brother site for a driver?
[16:57] <SimonNL> Sbur3: install hplip and hplip gui. use hp toolbox to set the printer/scanner up.
[16:57] <dStruct> Hexcat01: when you connect it, check dmesg to see what device it registers as and see if lsblk can see it
[16:57] <SimonNL> Sbur3: sorry wrong recommendation
[16:59] <Sbur3> ducasse: I've installed every driver (64 bit) that there is.  It is a multi function (scan and printer primarily for me) and it prints with no problem
[16:59] <tekisui> perhaps the brother has special button
[16:59] <tekisui> to enable scan function
[17:00] <ducasse> Sbur3: scanning is not supported on all multifunction devices under linux, whether printing works is completely irrelevant
[17:00] <ducasse> Sbur3: certain devices need a driver from the manufacturer, which is why i asked
[17:00] <Sbur3> tekisui: It wasn't the case with the older computer.  Both printing and scanning  worked with the older computer.
[17:00] <Hexcat01> dStruct, https://pastebin.com/4qAmDX5m
[17:01] <dStruct> Sbur3: you need brscan3 from brother
[17:01] <tekisui> ah
[17:01] <Sbur3> ducasse: I set up every driver there was on the site.
[17:01] <Sbur3> dStruct: Already installed for 10 minutes
[17:02] <Sbur3> I've even rebooted it
[17:02] <ioria> Sbur3, check the  'Point 10'  of this guide : https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/15
[17:02] <tekisui> i have normal scanner program in lubuntu
[17:02] <nearffxx> Hi, I'm trying to propagate setuid and setgid across execve/system, it worked on 14.04, but does not work on ubuntu 16.04 . So, is there are way to make it work again on ubuntu 16.04?
[17:03] <dStruct> Sbur3: do you have sane-utils installed?
[17:04] <dStruct> Sbur3: and are you trying to USB or network scan?
[17:04] <dStruct> Hexcat01: it looks like there is an issue with your device, I see tons of errors trying to access/read it when it's connected
[17:04] <nearffxx> Is here the right place to ask?
[17:05] <Sbur3> ioria: Done
[17:06] <Sbur3> ioria: Now what?
[17:06] <Sbur3> dStruct: USB
[17:06] <Sbur3> dStruct: Donno ... gonnna check and install if not the case
[17:06] <maxagaz> hi
[17:06] <ioria> Sbur3,  point 10 and the followings points , i meant
[17:06] <Hexcat01> dStruct, is there something i can do?
[17:06] <tekisui> nearffxx, try https://ubuntuforums.org/
[17:07] <dStruct> Sbur3: did you do a dpkg -i --force-all brscan3-file-name to install the driver?
[17:07] <dStruct> Hexcat01: maybe check what is wrong with the phone, it doesn't appear to me to be an issue on the Ubuntu side
[17:07] <Sbur3> ioria: So you mean starting at point 10.  Didn't understand that
[17:08] <maxagaz> I have just installed ubuntu 17.04 32bit successfully, but after the first reboot, internet doesn't work anymore, and I have different internal error at each reboot
[17:08] <maxagaz> what's wrong with it ?
[17:08] <ioria> Sbur3, yes
[17:09] <tekisui> i stick to 16
[17:09] <tekisui> till 18 us there
[17:09] <tekisui> is lts
[17:10] <Sbur3> dStruct: Trying but havent yet succeeded
[17:10] <dStruct> Sbur3: it's not installing?  maybe check dpkg -l | grep -i brother
[17:12] <Sbur3> dStruct: What I notice is that there are two things that are for i386 and the others are 64 bit.  That's gotta be the problem
[17:13] <ducasse> Sbur3: i'm a little worried by "I set up every driver there was on the site." - you should only install the one(s) you need for your device - is that what you meant?
[17:15] <mado> Hello everyone. I've joined the German channel more or less recently (about three weeks ago) regarding an issue about backing up files with "ddrescue" ... I'm trying to save files from my boss' computer ... The hard disk is almost broken (we found that with some command back then that i can't provide you with at the moment but that isn't so bad ... the current issue now is ... (sending this line to prevent a flood)
[17:15] <dStruct> Hexcat01: it looks like those devices require a driver, google it
[17:15] <Sbur3> ducasse: I can understand your worries
[17:16] <Sbur3> ducasse: I got rid of the i386 drivers
[17:16] <dStruct> Sbur3: I was just thinking the same thing, you may want to remove any conflicting drivers, in terms of printing the only driver you need is brscan3
[17:16] <dStruct> Sbur3: err sorry SCANNING, not printing :D
[17:17] <dStruct> Sbur3: http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadend.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfc6490cw_all&os=128&dlid=dlf006642_000&flang=4&type3=566
[17:18] <mado> sudo ddrescue -n -R /dev/sda /media/path-to-iso-file /media/path-to-log ... ... ... The whole thing has finally finished ... I was told that in the next step I'd only need to enter almost the same command again ... this time without the "-n" ... and that there it should apparently only check for the errors and try to get all the files that it couldn't get before ... I'm not entirely sure though what was meant with the statement that i should now handle
[17:18] <mado> the iso only or something like that .. Can YOU guys and gals please help me out?
[17:19] <Sbur3> dStruct: I have with the grep brother command the following things ... brother-udev-rule-type1, brscan-skey, brscan3, printer-driver-brlaser, and two things I don't understand ... printer-driver-ptouch, and printers
[17:19] <Hexcat01> for some reason now my external usb drive doesnt let me modify or delete files
[17:19] <Hexcat01> i got an external hd
[17:19] <Hexcat01> i installed usbmount and now it doenst let me delete or add folders to the external hard drive
[17:20] <Hexcat01> it says permission denied
[17:20] <tekisui> try sudo ?
[17:20] <mado> write protected there, Hexcat01?
[17:20] <Hexcat01> when i log into pcmanfm as a super user it doesnt show up on the list of folders
[17:20] <Sbur3> dStruct: And the last two things are shown after something that seems to indicate laser printers, though my laser printer is a Samsung
[17:20] <Hexcat01> how do i take the write protection off?
[17:21] <Hexcat01> ir i right click on the folder and try to change the permissions setting it says operation not allowed
[17:21] <Hexcat01> help
[17:22] <dStruct> Sbur3: so you have the brscan3 driver installed, you've rebooted, and when you fire up xsane you have no scanner device?
[17:22] <mado> isn't this a case for "chmod" ? *wondering*
[17:22] <mado> i'm terribly sorry i don't know for sure myself as i'm merely just beginning to learn various things
[17:22] <Sbur3> dStruct: I'm going to reboot one more time.  Brb
[17:22] <Hexcat01> now it isnt even letting me paste files onto the external hd
[17:23] <dStruct> Hexcat01: either your drive is mounted read-only, or you have a permission set to prevent writing
[17:23] <Hexcat01> dStruct, how do i change that?
[17:23] <mado> i thought of something like -> sudo chmod /path/to/whatever 777 ... or something like that ... but i'm sure dStruct can tell you better
[17:24] <Hexcat01> it wasnt like that before i installed usbmount
[17:24] <dStruct> Hexcat01: what filesystem is the place on the external drive you're trying to write to use?
[17:24] <Hexcat01> dStruct, how do i check from terminal_
[17:25] <Hexcat01> ?*
[17:25] <dStruct> Hexcat01: just paste.ubuntu.com the output of mount
[17:26] <Hexcat01> dStruct, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24588089/
[17:26] <mado> dStruct? ... sorry for interrupting ... would you know anything about my issue as well?
[17:26] <mado> since i'm also working with an external hard disk there i thought i could ask : )
[17:27] <dStruct> Hexcat01: your external is mounted read-write, so maybe ls -la /media/usb0 and or wherever you're trying to write to and see what the permissions look like, root should always be able to write usually
[17:28] <ntech> hello peeps :)
[17:28] <ntech> switched from Linux Mint to Ubuntu few days ago. This seems much more smoother
[17:28] <dStruct> mado: what is it you're trying to do with ddrescue?
[17:29] <mado> dStruct - I'm trying to save files from my boss' computer
[17:29] <Delvien> mado "steal" :P
[17:29] <dStruct> mado: are you trying to access a hard drive directly and pull files, or a usb thumb stick, or a drive image/.iso file?
[17:29] <mado> no, Delvien ... she's right next to me ... or in the room next to me .. you can ask her yourself if you don't believe me
[17:30] <mado> dStruct - sudo ddrescue -n -R /dev/sda /media/path-to-iso-file /media/path-to-log ... ... ... this is what i was told to enter the first time
[17:30] <dStruct> mado: is the drive damaged?
[17:30] <mado> yes ... unfortunately it is, dStruct
[17:30] <mado> almost entirely at the end of its life
[17:31] <ntech> registration code
[17:31] <Hexcat01> dStruct, how do i change the permissions from root?
[17:31] <dStruct> mado: ahh ok, do you know how it's damaged, does it click and make noises, or you just can't access files as you expect?
[17:31] <mado> i'm trying my best to prevent the loss of those files, dStruct
[17:31] <dStruct> Hexcat01: man chmod
[17:31] <mado> well ... a little bit of both, dStruct
[17:31] <dStruct> Hexcat01: chmod 777 <file>
[17:32] <mado> the first time i used the command before my boss aborted it everything was fine - no noise - but the second time there was some ...
[17:32] <mado> files couldn't be accessed the first or the second time, dStruct
[17:32] <Sbur3> dStruct: I can't recall all the names of those who have helped me, but THANKS to each and every one of you.  I'm not sure how, but the scan function works !!!
[17:32] <Hexcat01> dStruct, no, not from the terminal but from the gui
[17:32] <dStruct> mado: if it's physically broken you may not be able to easily get to them.  You may need a professional data recovery service to pull the data manually which is not cheap.  ddrescue is a good option before calling in the pro's
[17:32] <dStruct> Sbur3: nice! congrats!
[17:32] <Sbur3> dStruct: I gotta scan something, otherwise I'd stay with you
[17:32] <dStruct> Hexcat01: I don't do gui :D
[17:33] <Sbur3> dStruct: I like following instructions.  And I try to do a good job at that ;)
[17:33] <Hexcat01> dStruct, how do i change the permissions for the entire external hd
[17:33] <Hexcat01> this wasnt acting this way before i installed usbmount
[17:33] <Hexcat01> should i uninstall it?
[17:33] <Hexcat01> i need to be able to write on my external hard drive
[17:33] <mado> yes, dStruct ... that's what we were thinking too ... in a way : ) ... ... sooo ... do you know some more about the whole thing?
[17:34] <dStruct> Hexcat01: chown root:root and then chmod -R 777 /dev/usb0 or whatever path it is you want to change.  I'm not responsible if you blow something up tho :D
[17:34] <mado> like i said ... the first round is over ... the process finished ... i'm now waiting for step 2
[17:35] <Hexcat01> dStruct, is there a way to just open the file manager from root and then go to the location?
[17:35] <dStruct> mado: what operating system is on the disk in question, I'm assuming Windows?
[17:35] <mado> yes, she's using Windows
[17:35] <dStruct> Hexcat01: you should be able to just right click on the drive and go to properties, but I don't do it that way
[17:36] <mado> i used a live-cd to boot the computer and then installed the necessary files, etc dStruct
[17:36] <hobarrera> A friend of mine want to slowly move towards Ubuntu. Since the next release will be gnome base, is it recommendable that she starts with Ubuntu Unity  flavour, or start with Ubuntu Gnome just to avoid more changes down the line? Will there be a clear upgrade path from UbuntuGnome to Ubuntu"Normal"?
[17:36] <dStruct> mado: you're not registered with nickserv here on freenode right?
[17:36] <Hexcat01> dStruct, i tried that but it said operation completed with errors and then the problem persists
[17:36] <mado> i should be ... i entered my password earlier, why do you ask, dStruct?
[17:37] <mado> NickServ earlier identified too, dStruct : )
[17:37] <mado> +me
[17:37] <dStruct> Hexcat01: you may have a problem with your external drive then, try the command line method chmod -R 777 <path to external drive/folder>
[17:38] <dStruct> mado: ok since this is a little off-topic for here hop over to #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:38] <Hexcat01> dStruct, operation not allowed
[17:38] <mado> okaaay ... i do as you ask : )
[17:38] <dStruct> Hexcat01: as root?  yeah sounds like you may have a bad drive possibly, can't be sure
[17:38] <pos> So, I've got a LUKS volume here that I can luksOpen on both my 14.04 install and through the 14.04 install media. What I am unable to do is to luksOpen said LUKS volume on either my 16.04 install nor 16.04 install media. Suggestions?
[17:39] <Hexcat01> dStruct, it wasnt doing this before i installed usbmount, what i if i uninstall it and try_
[17:39] <dStruct> Hexcat01: it could also be something with selinux and how it's mounting that disk, but I don't do selinux
[17:39] <Hexcat01> i am on ubuntu 16.04
[17:39] <mikeymop> Is LUKS any more complicated than entering your password at boot?
[17:40] <mikeymop> like can something catastrophic happen to me if I were to encrypt my /home?
[17:40] <hobarrera> mikeymop: Nope, LUKS is just a single password on boot.
[17:40] <hobarrera> Setting it up on an already-installed system can be a bit complicated though.
[17:40] <jbicha> boboma: /close
[17:41] <ducasse> mikeymop: a default encrypted home uses ecryptfs, not luks
[17:41] <Hexcat01> dStruct, i am gonna uninstall usbmount and see if that reverts things to normal
[17:42] <ducasse> mikeymop: if you just check the box in the installer, i mean
[17:42] <dStruct> mikeymop: LUKS works well for me, I boot, it stops and asks for my password, and I continue on like normal
[17:42] <hobarrera> Is it okay to bump my question after a few minutes have passed with no replies?
[17:43] <ducasse> hobarrera: after 15-20 minutes or so
[17:43] <hobarrera> thnx.
[17:44] <leftyfb> hobarrera: a coworkers installed ubuntu gnome on his laptop and it looks pretty sweet. I have a minimally customized gnome-flashback setup but I might move to that at some point.
[17:45] <leftyfb> hobarrera: also, your friend might be interested in trying out the different DE's out there.
[17:46] <hobarrera> Yeah, the main question is whether UbuntuGnome will have a clear upgrade path, mostly.
[17:46] <hobarrera> I'd advise her to take that route generally, but I wnt to make sure she can then upgrade to the main ubuntu flavour, and not just fall into a dead end.
[17:47] <Hexcat01> dStruct, what if i formatted the disk would that solve it/
[17:48] <dStruct> Hexcat01: only if it's an issue with the filesystem.  what does fsck tell you about it?
[17:50] <nacc> hobarrera: there won't be any dead ends
[17:51] <hobarrera> nacc: So UbuntuGnome users can easily upgrade into Ubuntu17.10, when the time comes?
[17:51] <leftyfb> hobarrera: I would suggest sticking with LTS versions
[17:52] <hobarrera> Yeah, but an LTS has really old stuff in the repos for a newcomer.
[17:52] <leftyfb> like?
[17:52] <leftyfb> I'm running LTS
[17:52] <leftyfb> 16.04
[17:52] <leftyfb> last April
[17:53] <leftyfb> then next LTS will be next April
[17:53] <hobarrera> Yeah, that's stupid old. Packages tend to go really out of date for LTS releases.
[17:53] <leftyfb> like what packages?
[17:53] <hobarrera> Her whole motivation for moving to something different is a desire for something that's more up to date.
[17:54] <hobarrera> Uh, isn't the kernel for the TLS like, extremely old? Or general packages, like firefox and stuff? Or am I mistaken?
[17:54] <nacc> hobarrera: if you're a newcomer, then you don't care about currency
[17:54] <ducasse> hobarrera: a newbie probably doesn't _need_ the latest version of everything
[17:54] <leftyfb> no
[17:54] <nacc> !hwe | hobarrera
[17:54] <nacc> !latest | hobarrera
[17:54] <nacc> hobarrera: ubuntu gnome will still be a flavor in 17.10, afaik
[17:54] <hobarrera> Newbie as far as Ubuntu, not as far as software in general goes. :P
[17:54] <leftyfb> hobarrera: I'm running 4.8 kernel and Firefox 53
[17:55] <nacc> hobarrera: still, there's no need for the latest versions
[17:55] <leftyfb> hobarrera: I don't see how a "newbie" needs a cutting edge kernel either if everything works
[17:55] <nacc> hobarrera: you have yet to say a use case
[17:55] <oerheks> ah, sudo snap install vlc ~ gives VLC version 3
[17:55] <nacc> hobarrera: and 'because it's shiny' will get you nothing
[17:55] <nacc> oerheks is right, snaps are the way to get very current stuff
[17:56] <leftyfb> hobarrera: I'm also running the latest google chrome and will be installing the latest libreoffice soon as well
[17:56] <hobarrera> leftyfb: Huh, cool, I'd though LTS releases lagged a lot more, it seems I was mistaken. :)
[17:56] <hobarrera> Newbie to Ubuntu doesn't mean it can't be a tech-friendly user. :P
[17:57] <leftyfb> hobarrera: a friendly kernel is one that works with all your hardware. Version numbers mean little
[17:57] <hobarrera> Cool, right, so it looks like an LTS cuts it. I'd a wrong image of what it was.
[17:57] <hobarrera> So how exactly does an LTS difer from the mainline version?
[17:57] <leftyfb> hobarrera: it's supported for 5 years and will upgrade more seamlessly every 2 years
[17:57] <leftyfb> and is more focused on stability
[17:58] <oerheks> ah, sudo snap remove vlc ~because it does not play files that MPV plays
[17:58] <hobarrera> leftyfb: I think 4.8 is the first kernel that didn't thrash my laptop's battery (or maybe 4.7), so yeah, recent kernels do matter. :P
[17:59] <hobarrera> Anyway, LTS looks recent enough.
[17:59] <hobarrera> I honestly though it was a lot olde.
[17:59] <nacc> hobarrera: mainline is not a distribution thing
[17:59] <nacc> hobarrera: 'mainline' is a linux kernel thing
[17:59] <hobarrera> Sorry, mainline isn't the right word, I meant non-LTS.
[17:59] <nacc> !lts
[17:59] <hobarrera> Not sure that the non-LTSs are called, heh. :)
[18:00] <nacc> hobarrera: support lengths, package versions, etc.
[18:01] <hobarrera> But it the 16.04 release has everything updated, how would an updated 16.04 differ from 17.04?
[18:01] <nacc> hobarrera: no one said 16.04 has everything updated
[18:01] <nacc> hobarrera: did you read the hwe blurb?
[18:01] <nacc> hobarrera: that's just the kernel and X
[18:01] <oerheks> LTS gets all security updates, just not new features
[18:02] <oerheks> hobarrera, i have this feeling you know all this
[18:02] <hobarrera> oerheks: Kinda? Looks like I was misinformed on some bits though, but I had an idea. :P
[18:03] <hobarrera> nacc: I'm confused now, because you say it's just a newer kernel and X, but leftyfb just mentioned it also had the latest firefox.. ?
[18:03] <leftyfb> it does
[18:03] <nacc> hobarrera: specific packages may get updates
[18:03] <nacc> hobarrera: but not *all* packages
[18:04] <hobarrera> Oh, so the main stuff like firefox, mpv, etc will, but maybe more popular stuff gets lagged?
[18:04] <nacc> !info mpv xenial
[18:04] <nacc> !info mvp zesty
[18:04] <nacc> !info mpv zesty
[18:05] <nacc> firefox is special because it's a pain to keep secure without doing release updates
[18:05] <nacc> (afaict)
[18:05] <hobarrera> Oh, okay.
[18:05] <leftyfb> think of it this wy
[18:05] <hobarrera> Isn't zesty the latest version? Doesn't IT update to the latest downstream releases?
[18:05] <nacc> the reason for the firefox updtes is security, afaict
[18:06] <hobarrera> Yeah, makes sense, esp for firefox.
[18:06] <nacc> hobarrera: it updates, generally, to the version in Debian unstable
[18:06] <Dan39> if im wanting to build a system with a very minimal desktop (just a window manager petty much), would it be better to start with 16.04 server than desktop?
[18:06] <leftyfb> the only way you're getting that cutting edge software is by upgrading your entire OS every 6 months .... always upgrading, sometimes breaking, causing you to reinstall anyway. Or stick with LTS, receive support and have a cleaner upgrade path every 2 years ... if you choose.
[18:06] <hobarrera> Ah, that's where I was confused with LTS stuff; debian stable. I had those two mixed up. XD
[18:07] <hobarrera> Okay, that gives me a clear image.
[18:07] <nacc> leftyfb: and even that isn't necessarily cutting edge, just latest Debian (at a minimum)
[18:07] <nacc> leftyfb: as there are often packages lagging in Debian too
[18:07] <leftyfb> yup
[18:07] <mikeymop> dStruct: ducasse thanks
[18:07] <nacc> to be clear, non-LTS are also supported
[18:08] <leftyfb> nacc: for 18 months
[18:08] <hobarrera> leftyfb: TBH, cutting edge and point releases don't really go hand in hand. (but that's not really the goal here anyway).
[18:08] <nacc> leftyfb: for 9 monts
[18:08] <nacc> *months
[18:08] <hobarrera> Okay, so looks like Ubuntu LTS is enough for her use case, cool!
[18:09] <leftyfb> nacc: ah, right, I think it's the kernel that's supported for 18 months
[18:09] <hobarrera> Thanks! :)
[18:09] <nacc> leftyfb: which kernel? the whole non-LTS release goes out of support after 9 months
[18:09] <nacc> leftyfb: do you mean the hwe kernel(s)?
[18:10] <leftyfb> nacc: yeah
[18:10] <nacc> leftyfb: it has changed with 16.04.2
[18:11] <nacc> leftyfb: they are rolling now, so when 17.10 comes out, all hwe users will get bumped to 16.04.3 kernel
[18:11] <Jacksonville> Hi
[18:11] <nacc> leftyfb: and 16.04.2 kernel will go eol
[18:11] <nacc> leftyfb: e.g., https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2FSupport.A16.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support
[18:12] <nacc> leftyfb: i think what you were describing was more how 14.04 worked (sort of, evne then, 18 months was only for the 14.04.2 kernel)
[18:12] <Hexcat01> dStruct, fsck says its mounted
[18:13] <Jacksonville> Need to transfer some pdf files to my usb thumb drive and I cannot get it to mount
[18:13] <dStruct> Hexcat01: unmount it and run fsck on it
[18:13] <Hexcat01> ok
[18:14] <tomreyn> Jacksonville: does it say why? do you know how to mount it on a command line?
[18:14] <Jacksonville> tomreyn, that what I am trying
[18:14] <Jacksonville> maybe I have the commands wrong>
[18:15] <tomreyn> Jacksonville: thanks for an swering 1 of 2 questions.
[18:15] <Jacksonville> It says no such file or directory
[18:15] <Jacksonville> sorry
[18:15] <Hexcat01> first back up
[18:16] <tomreyn> ;) i should ask each question on a separate line.
[18:16] <leftyfb> nacc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS?action=recall&rev=34
[18:16] <leftyfb> that's where I got it from. Guess I had the info a bit outdated in my head :)
[18:17] <leftyfb> I knew the kernel stuff ... I had to, I was on the certification team. But I thought the desktop was still supported for 18 months. Hadn't looked at it in a long time
[18:17] <tomreyn> Jacksonville: lsblk shows you a tree view of all stroages and partitions on them
[18:17] <nacc> leftyfb: ack, that page is a bit of date, will add it to my list to clean up :)
[18:17] <leftyfb> nacc: no, what you're seeing is the history
[18:17] <leftyfb> nacc: it's updated
[18:17] <nacc> leftyfb: oh right
[18:18] <HeroRIsing> hello
[18:18] <tomreyn> Jacksonville: please use it to find out how your usb thumb drive is partitioned (and optionally tell us).
[18:18] <HeroRIsing> hi
[18:19] <HeroRIsing> hi
[18:19] <leftyfb> HeroRIsing: hi
[18:20] <Jacksonville> tomreyn,
[18:20] <Jacksonville> NAME                    MAJ:MIN RM  SIZE RO TYPE  MOUNTPOINT
[18:20] <Jacksonville> sda                       8:0    0 50.5G  0 disk
[18:20] <Jacksonville> ├─sda1                    8:1    0  487M  0 part  /boot
[18:20] <Jacksonville> ├─sda2                    8:2    0    1K  0 part
[18:20] <Jacksonville> └─sda5                    8:5    0   50G  0 part
[18:20] <nacc> !paste | Jacksonville
[18:21] <tomreyn> !pastebin | Jacksonville
[18:21] <HeroRIsing> holaaaa
[18:21] <HeroRIsing> hiiiii
[18:21] <HeroRIsing> soretes
[18:21] <HeroRIsing> respondaaaaan
[18:21] <HeroRIsing> answer
[18:21] <nacc> HeroRIsing: stop that. do you ahve a support topic?
[18:21] <Jacksonville>     └─ubuntu--vg-swap_1 253:2    0  3.9G  0 lvm
[18:21] <Jacksonville>       └─cryptswap1      253:3    0  3.9G  0 crypt [SWAP]
[18:21] <tomreyn> Jacksonville: maybe include the device model in the output in case you're not sure which storage is which: lsblk --output name,model,mountpoint,size,type
[18:21] <Jacksonville> sr0                      11:0    1 1024M  0 rom
[18:22] <Jacksonville> lol
[18:22] <Dreaman> Jacksonville  ubuntu pastebin
[18:22] <jberg246> question - how can I access the host drive from a VM
[18:23] <jberg246> is anybody out there
[18:24] <tomreyn> jberg246: hopefully you cannot, compartmentalization / isolation is one of the common use cases of a VM.
[18:24] <nacc> jberg246: you configure it to be so, it's not by default
[18:24] <tomreyn> some virtualization management softwares allow you to make certain host devices or file systems available to guest, however.
[18:25] <jberg246> I'm setting up a repository and have a drive just for the repository on the host and a vm running gitlabs-ce want the vm to write all reporsitory stuff to drive set aside on host
[18:25] <compdoc> jberg246, access how? you can share the drive with samba, or create a file on the disk to hold the guests virtual disk, or give the guest direct accerss to use a whole drive
[18:25] <leftyfb> jberg246: mount it over the network (nfs/cifs/sshfs)
[18:26] <jberg246> OK - I will try the nfs setup - thanks
[18:26] <compdoc> nfs is the worst
[18:26] <jberg246> better solution?
[18:26] <tomreyn> jberg246: why do you need to have the software (?) repository available (writable?) on both host and guest?
[18:27] <Jack_Sparrow__> !aptoncd
[18:28] <jberg246>  it was the recommend way to setup each part of the repository for all the different processes needing to run on separate VM's
[18:30] <jberg246> the host is just a ubuntu server with out VM and then loaded the VM for the actual Gitlab-ce  then need to add vm for gitlab- runner
[18:30] <tomreyn> jberg246: recommended by what? what are you trying to achieve there? i'm asking to help you find the best architecture for your use case
[18:31] <jberg246> the Gitlab-ce document I'm following
[18:31] <tomreyn> jberg246: do you think it might help us help you if you pointed us to this document?
[18:33] <Jacksonville> ubuntu pastebin
[18:34] <tomreyn> Jacksonville did you mean to do this?
[18:34] <tomreyn> !pastebin
[18:40] <supercom64> In Ubuntu (bash), if your running a script (which launches a process and waits for it's exit code), and in another window you kill -9 the process, what exit code gets returned if any?
[18:42] <leftyfb> supercom64: this should be something you can easily test ... probably quicker than it took you to ask the question
[18:42] <supercom64> @leftyfb: Ya, I realized as soon as posted lol. I'm trying
[18:44] <cyrus_> hey
[18:44] <cyrus_> I've got a problem
[18:45] <cyrus_> anyone willing to help me?
[18:45] <nacc> !ask | cyrus_
[18:45] <cyrus_> wow
[18:45] <cyrus_> ok
[18:48] <cyrus_> When trying to install open suse leap 42.2 I got a message, Probing EDD (EDD=off to disable) and then a blinking cursor but as I watched on videos of doing this, it should switch to ok, I sat there waiting while on my phone for about an hour and nothing. I am running ubuntu 16.10 on my hard drive, does anyone know how to fix this?
[18:49] <leftyfb> :/
[18:49] <nacc> cyrus_: shouldn't you be asking open suse?
[18:49] <nacc> cyrus_: how is that an ubuntu support topic?
[18:50] <cyrus_> because I tried the same thing a couple weeks ago with antergos and it did the EXACT same thing
[18:50] <cyrus_> hoping it was an issue with antergos I tried open suse and the same thing happend
[18:51] <nacc> um, again, antergos != ubuntu
[18:51] <nacc> cyrus_: what is the ubuntu part of any of this?
[18:51] <cyrus_> My hard drive runs ubuntu and maybe ubuntu is messing with it?
[18:51] <cyrus_> idk
[18:52] <nacc> cyrus_: are you installing in a VM?
[18:52] <cyrus_> because I asked someone els in freenode and they ased quote, "are you sure your hard drive is ok?
[18:52] <cyrus_> no I am installing bar mettle
[18:52] <nacc> cyrus_: so far, everything you have said is another distro's problem, we can't fix install issues with either opensuse or antergos
[18:52] <leftyfb> lol
[18:53] <nacc> cyrus_: they didn't mean 'is something wrong like your OS is weird', they meant 'is something physically wrong with your hard drive'
[18:53] <leftyfb> cyrus_: so you are trying to install other linux distro's on your pc and because ubuntu is already installed(but not running), you think it's an ubuntu issue?
[18:54] <cyrus_> ok but it has to be something not regarding the distros because the SAME EXACT thing happend when trying to install debian
[18:54] <cyrus_> and yes I think it may be ubuntu's falt
[18:54] <leftyfb> lol
[18:54] <cyrus_> I can't amagin why
[18:54] <nacc> cyrus_:  so? how can it be ubuntu's fault? ubuntu is not running when you install another distribution
[18:55] <nacc> cyrus_: have you tried, for instance, reinstalling ubuntu itself?
[18:55] <cyrus_> >_<
[18:55] <cyrus_> no
[18:55] <whomai> hey
[18:55] <nacc> cyrus_: installation failures in distro X are rarely caused by pre-existing distro Y
[18:55] <cyrus_> ok
[18:55] <nacc> cyrus_: and even if they were, that' almost always a bug in distro X
[18:56] <cyrus_> i get that
[18:56] <cyrus_> I just want help
[18:56] <nacc> cyrus_: ask those distros?
[18:56] <cyrus_> geuss what there going to say?
[18:56] <cyrus_> ask those distros
[18:57] <cyrus_> I just don't understand why this is happening
[18:57] <ducasse> cyrus_: they're not going to tell you to ask here
[18:57] <tomreyn> if you had an issue installing ubuntu we would help you here, whether or not you had other distros on your disk already
[18:57] <ducasse> cyrus_: it's not an ubuntu problem
[18:57] <nacc> cyrus_: you're completely wrong, afaict
[18:57] <cyrus_> I know I take back what i said
[18:57] <nacc> cyrus_: it doesn't make any sense -- if you are unable to install opensuse, opensuse isn't going to tell you to ask ubuntu
[18:57] <cyrus_> it was stupid
[18:57] <cyrus_> and unreasonable
[18:58] <cyrus_> but I didn't have this problem installing ubuntu and that is were I am confused
[18:58] <Hexcat01> dStruct, ok
[18:58] <Hexcat01> backed up
[18:58] <Hexcat01> dStruct, how do i format
[18:58] <dStruct> Hexcat01: that depends on how you want to format it, do you use it only with linux?
[18:59] <cyrus_> I will try the other distros
[19:00] <dStruct> Hexcat01: mkfs.ext4 would be for the ext4 file system, assuming you have the disk physically partitioned how you want it
[19:00] <Hexcat01> dStruct, no i particularly need it to be other systems compatible
[19:00] <dStruct> Hexcat01: then you probably want FAT32
[19:01] <dStruct> Hexcat01: so mkfs.vfat
[19:04] <phablet> tvbvvtgvvbvgcfcfvhbvcdjnnccjcbfj juegos fvvvvbvvhjvhcnhnc
[19:04] <Hexcat01> dStruct, ok so i am a nob so i need you to tell me step by step go to terminal, cd, etc
[19:04] <leftyfb> Hexcat01: install and use gparted
[19:04] <laptop> yo
[19:05] <leftyfb> Hexcat01: just make sure you have the correct device selected before making any changes
[19:06] <Hexcat01> i will just go to a cybercafe and do it from a windows computer
[19:06] <leftyfb> :/
[19:07] <leftyfb> Hexcat01: it'll take you about 30 seconds to format it on your computer using gparted
[19:07] <EriC^^> gparted is very easy and intuitive
[19:07] <dStruct> watch out for ransomware
[19:09] <EriC^^> Hexcat01: did you create the partition?
[19:10] <Hexcat01> EriC^^, this is an external hd thats giving me troubles
[19:10] <EriC^^> Hexcat01: what troubles?
[19:10] <Hexcat01> i just backed the external up
[19:10] <EriC^^> oh ok
[19:10] <Hexcat01> it doesnt let me read or write them or modify the permission
[19:10] <Hexcat01> them being the files
[19:11] <EriC^^> Hexcat01: try with sudo
[19:11] <EriC^^> Hexcat01: gksu nautilus
[19:13] <EriC^^> Hexcat01: if it's giving you troubles you might as well run a smart test on it and see what's up
[19:13] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdX
[19:14] <Hexcat01> (gksu:19727): GConf-CRITICAL **: gconf_value_free: assertion 'value != NULL' failed
[19:15] <EriC^^> i think sudo nautilus is sane these days on 14.04+ (somebody correct me if i'm wrong)
[19:15] <Hexcat01> bbs cybercafe
[19:15] <akik_> EriC^^: you could use sudo -i nautilus
[19:16] <EriC^^> akik_: nice thanks
[19:16] <EriC^^> Hexcat01: try sudo -i nautilus
[19:16] <akik_> -i sudo attempts to change to that
[19:16] <akik_>                  user's home directory before running the shell.
[19:26] <Perverso> hola como estan banda
[19:31] <m00t> hey yall I'm having something I need troubleshooting for... I cant think of why but my computer takes forever to load... any ideas?
[19:33] <Southern_Gentlem> what services are you loading
[19:35] <Jack_Sparrow__> gksudo nautilus   ?
[19:35] <nacc> !who | Jack_Sparrow__
[19:36] <nacc> m00t: what version of ubuntu?
[19:36] <m00t> Im using 17.04 I just ran systemd-analyze blame... Didnt yield much
[19:39] <m00t> https://pastebin.com/v7QpGvHd
[19:39] <m00t> heres the pastebin of that
[19:40] <nacc> m00t: looks like your disk is prety slow
[19:40] <nacc> and possibly your network config
[19:41] <nacc> m00t: fwiw, apparmor.service on my laptop only took 272ms
[19:42] <m00t> not a whole heck of a lot i can do other than replacing my hdd huh?
[19:52] <Success> hi, so im trying to boot ubuntu 16.04.01 LTS in a Hyper-V container but I'm getting a "Magic number" error.
[19:53] <Seveas> Success: try phoning Harry Potter :)
[19:55] <Success> error: invalid magic number. \n alloc magic is broken at 0x13399440: 132b8360 \n Aborted. Press any key to exit. this happens after I select either install ubuntu or try ubuntu without installing... any ideas? just need the image to boot, using it for its generation 2 support :)
[19:55] <Success> after that i can compile my kernel and all that myself lol
[19:55] <testcase141> im havinv networking problems. anyone have time to help me diagnose? sudden drops. restarting network manager doesnt help. nmcli d shows all devices unavailable. a restart is all i have found that works but am in a long formatting session so cant for a while
[19:56] <testcase141> on xubuntu 16.04
[19:57] <Success> testcase141, i might be able to help, i remember a little bit
[19:57] <Seveas> Success: quick googling tells me that trying a different version of Ubuntu may work
[19:58] <Success> Seveas, would you recommend 16.04.02 LTS or 17.04 or what... it'll take a while on stupid american dialup interweb out in the country lel
[19:58] <Success> otherwise i'd just download them all
[19:58] <Seveas> Success: 17.04
[19:59] <Seveas> Success: is this hyper-v gen2?
[19:59] <hwm_TO> Anyone able to recommend a GUI to help me manage cronjobs on 17.04
[19:59] <Success> nice webserver hwm_TO
[19:59] <Success> Seveas, yes sir
[20:00] <Seveas> Success: https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhsa-announce/2015-November/msg00046.html
[20:00] <Seveas> seems that this was fixed only late 2015, might not have been picked up in 16.04
[20:00] <Success> hwm_TO, isn't that literally the whole reason windows exists lol
[20:00] <Success> thanks Seveas
[20:00] <Seveas> hwm_TO: gvim
[20:00] <Success> actually, i might have a copy of redhat laying around somewhere
[20:01] <hwm_TO> gvim?
[20:01] <Success> hwm_TO, emacs might do too
[20:01] <Success> or yanno, Bourne Shell
[20:01] <Seveas> that's no gui :)
[20:02] <Success> ;)
[20:02] <hwm_TO> Success.  I'll try again later
[20:02] <Success> oh wow, the image is downloading rather fast! :)
[20:03] <Seveas> download->go_up_to(11);
[20:04] <Success> uTorrent !== Marshall_Amp_Stack
[20:07] <testcase141> sorry got booted. anyone reply to me networking issue?
[20:09] <testcase141> really need some urgent help
[20:09] <Seveas> testcase141: check dmesg output, check journalctl
[20:10] <testcase141> @seavas i dint kniw how to do that. e
[20:10] <testcase141> real noob jusr following directions
[20:11] <testcase141> and cant post output here in any case since using ipad to chat As laptop wont connect
[20:14] <testcase141> nmcli d is showing all devices unavailable...how do i enable them?
[20:14] <testcase141> radios show on
[20:14] <testcase141> ive tried th commands for connecting but nothing works
[20:16] <dcypher> could someone help me out, Before leaving on a trip I forgot to set my system to reconnect to wifi after a reboot. Can that be done via SSH ??
[20:17] <Makerblaker> Not if its not connected to a network
[20:17] <SwedeMike> dcypher: "nmcli" if you're using network manager as your connection manager.
[20:18] <dcypher> yes I am
[20:18] <dcypher> thanks
[20:20] <vlt> dcypher: In case you don’t find a solution using nmcli: There's also x11vnc, vnc4server and others ...
[20:21] <testcase141> guys ipads running low on battery and no charger here...if anyone can help quick would appreciate it
[20:21] <amirite> what is 'if [ "$1" = configure ] ; then' inside of a debian/postinst file?
[20:21] <amirite> i dont understand that
[20:21] <dcypher> thanks.... don't need the whole screen, gui... just ssh will do.
[20:22] <kenrin> You could attempt to restart "networking" instead of networkmanager testcase141
[20:22] <testcase141> how?
[20:22] <leftyfb> dcypher: is your system connected to a network at the moment?
[20:23] <kenrin> systemctl restart networking.service
[20:23] <vlt> testcase141: If I can offer quick help depends on where you are right now needing a charger ;-)
[20:23] <testcase141> no change
[20:24] <oerheks> testcase141, if this is a laptop, maybe you have hit the FN + wireless key, saunds plausible as " nmcli d shows all devices unavailable"
[20:24] <testcase141> @vlt lol in boonies but thanks
[20:24] <oerheks> if your ipad runs low, plug in the adapter
[20:24] <testcase141> wirelss is a physical switch and its on
[20:24] <dcypher> leftyb: yes, via ssh
[20:24] <testcase141> i have no adapter atm
[20:25] <testcase141> nmcli radio shows on as well
[20:25] <testcase141> but nmcli d returns all interfaces unavailable
[20:27] <leftyfb> dcypher: sudo ifconfig wlan0 up, sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid <name> key <password> && sudo dhclient wlan0
[20:27] <leftyfb> dcypher: assuming wlan0 is your interface
[20:28] <leftyfb> dcypher: you could also do as vlt suggestion and install and run x11vnc and use a vnc client to connect over an ssh tunnel
[20:28] <testcase141> usually it takes a reboot to sort this but cant atm due to a long drive format process
[20:28] <leftyfb> testcase141: what exactly is a "long drive format process"?
[20:28] <oerheks> testcase141, then be patient
[20:29] <oerheks> lolz
[20:29] <leftyfb> i've formatted 2TB drives in under a few minutes
[20:29] <dcypher> is x11vnc good, I havn't looked at all the vnc servers available yet ...
[20:29] <testcase141> a huge drive overwriting and encypting
[20:29] <kenrin> They all pretty much the same dcypher,  slow
[20:29] <leftyfb> why?
[20:29] <testcase141> well my machine is old and its taking a while
[20:29] <leftyfb> dcypher: x11vnc allows you to connect to your running desktop environment out of the box
[20:30] <testcase141> anyway can anyone help me change the devices from unavailable to availabe in nmcli so i can try to connec there?
[20:30] <dcypher> yup, I thought there were a few options for vnc, not just x11vnc
[20:32] <testcase141> i cant always reboot to fix this so need to try and find a way
[20:34] <jfjsdfsf> Guys I run Chkrootkit and this appeared on the result https://pastebin.com/Zy13R6Wn
[20:35] <testcase141> come on someone please...once the ipad dies i wont even be able to get online to ask and laptop wont be available to reboot for a long time.  really need to resolve this
[20:37] <leftyfb> jfjsdfsf: just exclude those in your chkrootkit config
[20:37] <jfjsdfsf> leftyfb: why?
[20:37] <leftyfb> jfjsdfsf: because they're benign
[20:38] <leftyfb> jfjsdfsf: a quick googling would turn up: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxadmin/comments/389mvb/chkrootkit_results_warning/
[20:38] <dStruct> jfjsdfsf: use maldet instead
[20:38] <oerheks> false positives https://askubuntu.com/questions/856398/what-exactly-is-lib-modules-4-4-0-xx-generic-vdso-build-id
[20:39] <testcase141> got 5min or so battery....really need help
[20:39] <jfjsdfsf> leftyfb: perfect
[20:39] <jfjsdfsf> dStruct: what is maldet?
[20:39] <dStruct> jfjsdfsf: google has all the answers :D
[20:39] <leftyfb> jfjsdfsf: google is your friend
[20:40] <jfjsdfsf> dStruct: lol
[20:40] <leftyfb> jfjsdfsf: it's pretty obvious in this context it is a piece of software that is comparable to chkrootkit
[20:41] <jfjsdfsf> leftyfb: yes of course, the thing is google is not always trust worthy, especially now a days that every one thinks they are experts. Thats why Im asking here :)
[20:41] <testcase141> i cant find answers on google and nobody here is helping so not much else to do
[20:42] <dStruct> testcase141: does dmesg show anything of use, maybe about rfkill and wlan0 or something along those lines?
[20:43] <oerheks> testcase141, get your adapter and come back, don't push volunteers without proper info about what adapter, ubuntu version and so on.
[20:43] <testcase141> i gave version...i canT get adapter until tomorrpw
[20:43] <testcase141> i said all this up front
[20:44] <testcase141> my specific wuextion is how to you enable devices in nmcli...the show unavailable
[20:44] <testcase141> greywd out
[20:45] <oerheks> testcase141, no you didn't, i just read back, what adapter? lspci or lsusb would tell
[20:45] <testcase141> oh you mean wirless adapter..someone else said ipad adapter earlier
[20:45] <testcase141> its the golan intl one...looking for numbe
[20:46] <testcase141> 3945abg intel golan
[20:46] <dStruct> testcase141: dmesg, rfkill, bueller?
[20:46] <Toxtlo> testcase141: I just joined, so I cant scroll back, but did you upgrade from 16.10 to 17.04?
[20:46] <testcase141> i dont know what those are
[20:46] <testcase141> no 16.04
[20:46] <Toxtlo> does it say its "unmanaged" ?
[20:46] <dStruct> testcase141: like I said before, check dmesg, look for anything related to rfkill
[20:46] <Toxtlo> ok
[20:47] <testcase141> like i said before i dint know what dmesg is
[20:47] <Toxtlo> I had a similar issue when my adapter was labeled as unmanaged and was greyed out after an upgrade
[20:47] <testcase141> im very new..can follow exact directions
[20:47] <testcase141> nah it says unavailable
[20:47] <testcase141> in nmcli d output
[20:48] <testcase141> so it wont allow me to connect
[20:48] <testcase141> wifi radio is on
[20:48] <dStruct> testcase141: apologies then, try typing dmesg | grep -i rkfill, you can copy/paste that into paste.ubuntu.com and provide a link to it for us to look at
[20:49] <testcase141> i cant paste output...linux laptop not online...using dying ipad here
[20:49] <dStruct> testcase141: it sounds a lot to me like rfkill is preventing wireless
[20:49] <dStruct> testcase141: if you can get back in here somehow I'm happy to help you
[20:49] <testcase141> the grep rfkill comand didint return anything
[20:51] <testcase141> datruct how long will you be here? can try to borrow a phone in an hour or so
[20:51] <dStruct> i'
[20:51] <dStruct> err
[20:51] <dStruct> i'm always hre
[20:51] <testcase141> is there some quick nmcli command to check things?
[20:52] <testcase141> nmcli d shows interfaces all unavaialble...but wifi radio is on
[20:52] <dStruct> testcase141: i'll be available for another 1.5 hours then I have stuff to do tho
[20:52] <testcase141> restarting network manager never works
[20:53] <testcase141> only rboot works but cant reboot for long time due to slow drive overwriting
[20:53] <fadavi> Hello there, i've been migrated from Unity to GNOME Shell. Now, after running some of applications (such as gnome-screenshot), i've got this message: 'Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "unity-gtk-module"' any solution? workaround?
[20:53] <m5w> Hello. I am manually setting up disk encryption with swap while preserving the windows recovery partition. Do I need an unencrypted boot partiton (besides EFI)? If so, what is the default size (that the installer would partiton if I told it to wipe the disk)? Also, what is the default volume group name? "vg"?
[20:53] <dStruct> testcase141: nmcli is only one part of the wifi machine that brings the mighty interwebs
[20:53] <fadavi> i've tested: sudo apt-get install --reinstall gtk2-engines-murrine:i386
[20:53] <testcase141> ok s what next to diagnose
[20:54] <dStruct> testcase141: dmesg | grep -i rkfill
[20:54] <testcase141> that returned nothing
[20:54] <dStruct> testcase141: ok one sec
[20:55] <Toxtlo> dumb question, but did you "check" activate wireless connections in the menu?^^
[20:56] <dStruct> testcase141: what is the device we're talking about wlan0?
[20:56] <testcase141> wlp4s0
[20:57] <dStruct> testcase141: dmesg | grep -i wlp4s0
[20:57] <testcase141> enp5s0 is ehternet
[20:57] <dStruct> testcase141: do you see any errors or warning messages?
[20:57] <testcase141> lots...failed check sdata
[20:58] <testcase141> sdata in driver check flags 0X4
[20:58] <dStruct> testcase141: are you able to copy/paste that to paste.ubuntu.com ?
[20:58] <testcase141> no...that machine isnt online remember?
[20:58]  * dStruct is guess not
[20:58] <dStruct> yup, wishful thinking
[20:58] <nettius> hi
[20:59] <dStruct> testcase141: well, that's a tough one.  you're on 16.04 right?
[20:59] <testcase141> yes
[20:59] <dStruct> testcase141: open System Settings go to Network
[20:59] <testcase141> failed check sdata in driver check. flags 0x4
[20:59] <testcase141> is message
[21:00] <testcase141> ok open
[21:00] <dStruct> testcase141: do you have a "Wireless" entry on the left?
[21:01] <testcase141> no
[21:01] <dStruct> testcase141: well that's a problem heh
[21:01] <testcase141> network or netork connections?
[21:01] <dStruct> testcase141: System Settings --> Network
[21:01] <testcase141> under network i have general, dns, and hosts tabs
[21:02] <dStruct> testcase141: when you're in Network click the + on the bottom left
[21:02] <dStruct> testcase141: what options do you have to select from?
[21:02] <testcase141> no plus...i am on xubuntu so different interface i guess
[21:03] <testcase141> i have network settings and netwok connections choice in menu....network settings has only general, dns, hosts for tabs
[21:03] <dStruct> testcase141: ahh yes, I'm not a Xubuntu user so I can't help you there, but if you don't see a Wireless device being managed by Network Manager that may be your issue
[21:03] <testcase141> network connections has ethernet category and wifi category
[21:04] <testcase141> underer wifi category it shows last connected networks
[21:04] <testcase141> i dont see any place to see devices in either window
[21:05] <dStruct> testcase141: under the wireless area you mentioned, do you see access points you can connect to by chance?
[21:06] <testcase141> no just last connected,,,choosing them opens their settings, i see a device oull down and chose wlp4s0 but nothing changes
[21:06] <testcase141> nmcli d still shows them unavailable
[21:07] <dStruct> testcase141: well something is not right, what caused it to stop working?
[21:07] <testcase141> no idea...happens out ot the blue often. requires a reboot to sort...no soution online
[21:08] <dStruct> testcase141: have you tried live booting another OS, like regular Ubuntu from a thumb drive maybe?  It sounds like it may be driver or hardware related possibly, but that's just a guess
[21:08] <testcase141> battery gone sorry...
[21:09] <dStruct> testcase141: also I have seen it where you have a non-standard keyboard or you select the wrong keymap and regular keys can trigger the wireless button on some laptops, it's rare but does happen
[21:09] <dStruct> testcase141: good luck
[21:12] <bartden> Hi , is cachefs in combination with NFS only usable for reading and not for writing to cache?
[21:14] <m5w> actually, does anyone here have a separate boot partition that was automatically made during installation?
[21:14] <m5w> if so, how big is it?
[21:17] <Bashing-om> m5w: See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1357093 .
[21:19] <dStruct> m5w: everyone by default has a separate boot partition unless they manually partitioned their drive on install?
[21:19] <nacc> dStruct: not anymore, iirc
[21:19] <dStruct> nacc: oh yeah, good point
[21:19] <dStruct> m5w: everyone USED to have a separate /boot partition :DDD
[21:19] <m5w> Bashing-om, thanks!
[21:19] <nacc> dStruct: not sure with which release that changed off the top of my head, but it was changed (just like the swap  config)
[21:20] <mee2> Hi, is it possible to remap the key combination "RShift-Enter" to Produce "~". I have tried xcape but that seems to be only for single keys
[21:20] <dStruct> nacc: I move between 16.04, 17.04, debian, MPX Unix, and System V Unix, so I sometimes confused them all :D
[21:20] <nacc> dStruct: heh, i can imagine :)
[21:21] <dStruct> nacc: just try working with a filesystem that has paths like cd ^(SYSTEM)SYSTEM
[21:22] <brainwash> !gnome
[21:22] <dStruct> nacc: and the file structure on MPX is a volume and a directory, that's it, no sub-directories anywhere :D
[21:22] <nacc> dStruct: no thanks! :))
[21:27] <dStruct> nacc: the best part tho is it runs exclusively Fortran 77+ lol
[21:29] <deidyomega> Hi all, I am trying to get a package to work on a weird system.  When I type in `which npm` it correctly states /usr/bin/npm.  when I then type in npm -v (version), it says 'bash: /home/ubuntu/.nvm/versions/node/v4.6.1/bin/npm: No such file or directory'
[21:29] <deidyomega> how can I tell bash to user the version located at /usr/bin/npm
[21:30] <nchambers> what does $PATH show?
[21:30] <rx-natasha-marry> hello
[21:30] <fallentree> deidyomega: it's not the npm, but probably invalid shebang line
[21:30] <deidyomega> bash: /home/ubuntu/.nvm/versions/node/v4.6.1/bin:/usr/local/rvm/gems/ruby-2.3.0/bin:/usr/local/rvm/gems/ruby-2.3.0@global/bin:/usr/local/rvm/rubies/ruby-2.3.0/bin:/mnt/shared/bin:/home/ubuntu/workspace/node_modules/.bin:/home/ubuntu/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/mnt/shared/sbin:/opt/gitl:/opt/go/bin:/mnt/shared/c9/app.nw/bin:/usr/local/rvm/bin: No such file or director
[21:30] <deidyomega> Hmm, how do I change $PATH
[21:30] <fallentree> deidyomega: what does this say: head -n 1 /home/ubuntu/.nvm/versions/node/v4.6.1/bin/npm
[21:31] <deidyomega> head: cannot open ‘/home/ubuntu/.nvm/versions/node/v4.6.1/bin/npm’ for reading: No such file or directory
[21:31] <fallentree> there you go
[21:31] <fallentree> deidyomega: and same for /usr/bin/npm  ?
[21:31] <deidyomega> usr/bin/npm works great
[21:31] <fallentree> what's the first line of it? is it a shell script too?
[21:32] <deidyomega> but it fails when scripts calls it without specifing /usr/bin part
[21:32] <rx-natasha-marry> hello
[21:32] <fallentree> deidyomega: so what does the first line of it say?
[21:32] <deidyomega> #!/usr/bin/env node
[21:33] <fallentree> deidyomega: so where does that /home/ubuntu/.nvm/.... come from?
[21:34] <deidyomega> a pre-existing broken system
[21:34] <deidyomega> that I am trying to get rid of
[21:34] <rx-natasha-marry> does anyone knows any c++ or c tutorial, because to me only shows guys from india
[21:34] <fallentree> deidyomega: ah right, it's the first path of your $PATH
[21:34] <deidyomega> (it's already gone, but i totally forgot about removing it from $PATH)
[21:34] <fallentree> so env finds it there, and something in it fails
[21:34] <deidyomega> So, how do you change $PATH?
[21:35] <fallentree> deidyomega: where is that path added to $PATH? maybe in ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile?
[21:36] <deidyomega> Found it, .profile has all the bad code
[21:36] <deidyomega> Thanks!
[21:36] <rx-natasha-marry> what about this If you are using bash, sh, or ksh, at the shell prompt, type:  ## please note 'PATH' is CASE sensitivity and must be in UPPERCASE ## export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/dir1 export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/dir1:/path/to/dir2  OR  ## please note 'PATH' is CASE sensitivity and must be in UPPERCASE ## PATH=$PATH:/path/to/dir1; export PATH
[21:37] <rx-natasha-marry> this page might help
[21:37] <rx-natasha-marry> https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/unix-linux-adding-path/
[21:37] <rx-natasha-marry> sorry about using 2 lines
[21:55] <amirite> 1i
[22:09] <MiguelFuller> how to check if xubuntu has the sound card driver correctly installed? I can't play any sound but that may be due to parole lacking codecs or something, it gives me a "can not initialize Xv output" error. I have a wave file I can test play. What is the way to test?
[22:09] <teward> MiguelFuller: go to YouTube or something in the browser, and tyry and play something there.  Does sound come out?
[22:10] <YankDownUnder> MiguelFuller, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[22:10] <teward> also ^ that
[22:10] <MiguelFuller> teward: youtube? I don't have a working browser firefox needs sse2
[22:11] <Bashing-om> !elinks | MiguelFuller
[22:12] <MiguelFuller> I see no elinks
[22:12] <dcypher> can anyone recommend a good DDNS client they are using for Ubuntu,and a DDNS service ?
[22:14] <gtxbb> no-ip is really good
[22:15] <dcypher> yea, I switched after dyndns went paid...
[22:15] <gtxbb> (it has a linux dyndns update client)
[22:15] <gtxbb> (there's a download from no-ip.com to work with it)
[22:15] <dcypher> i'm looking at it now
[22:16] <gtxbb> (sry...when i say dyndns, i mean the technology...)
[22:16] <hector> i need help
[22:16] <Bashing-om> MiguelFuller: Sorry with an uppercase E - Elinks .
[22:16] <teward> hector: ask a real question
[22:16] <hector> i have problem for install php
[22:16] <koike> "[time],buffer_number+:+buffer_name+(buffer_modes)+buffer_zoom+buffer_filter,scroll,[lag],completion"
[22:17] <koike> ops, sorry, wrong command
[22:17] <hector> in the comand
[22:17] <federicoaguirre> hi Hector.!
[22:17] <hector> hi federicoaguirre
[22:17] <federicoaguirre> what it wrong with php installation?
[22:19] <hector> xampp 6.3
[22:19] <Golfgeo> Hi all! Got a weird one today. All of a sudden my Xubuntu 16.04.2 install has decided to keybind the left control key to audio mute. This while before I was used to selecting and jumping from the start to the end of works with the cursor. Any idear what I did wrong? And more important: How I can switch this behavior back?
[22:19] <oerheks> !xampp
[22:20] <hector> ok thank
[22:20] <hector> !
[22:22] <federicoaguirre> I personally recommend to install any piece as separated... You could manage independent versions.!
[22:31] <dcypher> gtxbb: your running a noip.com client ?
[22:32] <hector> thank for your words
[22:32]  * Golfgeo is back. 
[22:33]  * Golfgeo is back. 
[22:34] <planck> heee
[22:34] <planck> i have a question i try to identify my name
[22:34] <planck> however it just comes oup with a totally difrent nickname]
[22:34] <planck> which isnt mine
[22:36] <krytarik> planck: That's for #freenode
[22:42] <planck> what does
[22:42] <planck> being needed to identified by services
[22:44] <hashwagon> Anyone know 'at'? 'at systemctl restart sshd' now +1 minutes' Anyone know what I'm doing wrong here?
[22:44] <oerheks> planck, #freenode is the place to be with registering/login issues
[22:44] <kostkon> !register | planck
[22:45] <krytarik> hashwagon: The "at" shouldn't be in the quotes.
[22:45] <scottjl> hashwagon: what are you trying to do? That whole syntax is wrong
[22:46] <hashwagon> I know I'm awful at googling apparently. I'm trying to restart a service with systemctl a minute after the command
[22:46] <planck> thank you
[22:48] <riidom> hi, I just checked "wallch" to feed a bigger list of wallpapers for time-based change, but it is very old, and crashes on first click - anyone happens to know a replacement for it that works in 17.04?
[22:48] <riidom> or, a way how to tell compiz-config which images to rotate not one-by-one?
[22:49] <snowkidind> Is this the right permissions for this script?
[22:49] <snowkidind> https://hastebin.com/yusuxavebi.hs
[22:51] <amirite> YA WALLAD
[22:51] <snowkidind> i was using crontab -e before and I am guessing the user (ubuntu) wasn't able to execute the script (owned by www-data)
[22:52] <nacc> snowkidind: you don't need your php scripts to be executable, they are interpreted by php in the way you are invoking it
[22:52] <snowkidind> they arent executable
[22:52] <nacc> snowkidind: we have no idea if those permissions are "right" with what you've given
[22:52] <snowkidind> not about the permissions
[22:53] <snowkidind> so if i set up /etc/crontab
[22:53] <nacc> snowkidind: quoting you: "Is this the right permissions for this script?"
[22:53] <snowkidind> oh shit
[22:53] <snowkidind> sorry (curse)
[22:53] <snowkidind> I just had a zombie nap
[22:53] <snowkidind> 2 hours
[22:53] <snowkidind> I meant to ask if that was the right way to select a user in /etc/crontab
[22:54] <snowkidind> and would that work
[22:55] <nacc> snowkidind: that will run that entry as the www-data user
[22:55] <snowkidind> ok i believe thats what I want
[22:55] <snowkidind> I used crontab -e before but that didnt work, presumably because the user I called that with isnt the user who wns the script
[22:56] <snowkidind> owns*
[22:56] <snowkidind> (err group)\
[22:56] <nacc> snowkidind: they don't need to be the owner, they just have to have permissions to read it
[22:56] <nacc> snowkidind: in the case of php
[22:56] <snowkidind> so then I guess the real question here is: is ubuntu part of the group www-data, no?
[22:57] <nacc> snowkidind: not by default, whether it is or not depends on your ystem
[22:57] <nacc> *system
[22:57] <krytarik> hashwagon: To be more exact, that'd be like:  echo 'systemctl restart sshd' | at now +1 minutes
[22:57] <nacc> only you can answer that
[22:58] <snowkidind> ...and the answer is no
[22:58] <snowkidind> that explains it
[22:58] <snowkidind> I feel like I understand this better now
[22:58] <hashwagon> krytarik: thanks. It's been years since I've used at and I'm not getting much from their man page.
[22:59] <snowkidind> side question: why does  crontab -e park the file within /tmp?
[22:59] <lucas-arg>  hello all... i have problems with web browsers... i have an intel m cpu and 4gb of ram in a laptop, and browsing the web seems slow... scroll is very laggy... even on my phone with chrome is better... dont know if there is some kinda fix for this
[22:59] <snowkidind> nacc thanks for your help
[23:00] <nacc> snowkidind: the crontabs are in /var
[23:00] <nacc> snowkidind: it uses a tempfile for the edit, probably
[23:01] <nacc> snowkidind: that way you aren't affecting the running cron execution while editing
[23:01] <snowkidind> oh ok
[23:02] <snowkidind> in my case /etc
[23:02] <nacc> snowkidind: hrm?
[23:03] <snowkidind> so I cant see the edit to crontab -e within /etc/crontab
[23:04] <nacc> snowkidind: actually crontabs are in /var/spool/cron/crontabs
[23:05] <snowkidind> aaah
[23:05] <snowkidind> I guess they disambiguate that so the system knows when the file gets changed or something
[23:06] <snowkidind> it's weird having the two different ways to set up crontabs. I guess that has a lot to do with permissions
[23:07] <snowkidind> user ownership etc
[23:07] <snowkidind> thanks for the insights nacc I sincerely arpeggiate it
[23:09] <nacc> snowkidind: yw
[23:09] <snowkidind> so then, will https://hastebin.com/yusuxavebi.hs run if ubuntu is NOT a member of www-ata?
[23:09] <Anonym0us> how do i disable network on boot?
[23:09] <snowkidind> *www-data?
[23:12] <nacc> snowkidind: yes, because the file is owned by ubuntu (user)
[23:12] <nacc> snowkidind: well, again, presuming the ubuntu user can get to the file (path permissions matter too)
[23:13] <nacc> snowkidind: e.g., by default (iirc), /var/www is only accessible by www-data:www-data
[23:13] <snowkidind> but in a cronjob - shouldn't that be a user, not a group? www-data is a group
[23:13] <snowkidind> I believ
[23:13] <snowkidind> e
[23:14] <nacc> snowkidind: www-data is both
[23:14] <nacc> snowkidind: iirc
[23:14] <nacc> snowkidind: in a crontab, yes, that needs to be a user
[23:14] <snowkidind> maybe I should just chown www-data that file
[23:15] <snowkidind> but I thought that was bad b/c it has sudo priv
[23:15] <Anonym0us> how do i disable network on boot?
[23:16] <Anonym0us> again.. anyone who know how to disable network on boot???
[23:17] <Anonym0us> ayy..
[23:17] <kk4ewt> unplug the cable
[23:17] <Delvien> Anonym0us: are you running nm-applet?
[23:17] <Anonym0us> network-manger yes
[23:19] <Delvien> Anonym0us: Edit connections> double click your network (wifi or eth whichever)> general tab > automatically connect check off. Youll find it.
[23:19] <Anonym0us> ikr.. but..
[23:19] <Anonym0us> my wifi still spits out the hello packages, which is what i want to prevent
[23:20] <nacc> snowkidind: www-data should *not* have sudo
[23:21] <Delvien> Anonym0us: you can run a script with crontab @reboot
[23:21] <Delvien> Anonym0us: the script should disable whatever your network card is (so a bash script)
[23:22] <Anonym0us> please provide more information
[23:22] <nacc> Anonym0us: your 'wifi spits out the hello packages'???
[23:23] <nacc> Anonym0us: what does that mean
[23:23] <Anonym0us> a hello package is how we see wifi spots, and they sees us
[23:24] <nacc> Anonym0us: ah, hello *packets*?
[23:25] <Anonym0us> that is also why they have made wifi "freely"(cost no money for the users to use it) in stores. be aware
[23:25] <Delvien> Anonym0us: maybe a simpler way is to "sudo systemctl disable network-manager" and then manually start it using "sudo systemctl start network-manager" when you want networking?
[23:25] <nacc> or use rfkill
[23:25] <Delvien> nacc hes wanting @ boot time
[23:25] <nacc> Delvien: right, at boot time, soft block it?
[23:26] <nacc> Delvien: but your way would work too
[23:26] <Delvien> nacc if im not mistaken, if network-manager isnt starting (enabled via systemd) it wont do what hes wanting it to not do
[23:26] <nacc> Delvien: right
[23:26] <amirite> https://kibana.test.cloudzilla.com/app/kibana#/discover?_g=()&_a=(columns:!(_source),index:'*logstash-*',interval:auto,query:(query_string:(analyze_wildcard:!t,query:'cloudzilla_developer:pradeep')),sort:!('@timestamp',desc)):q
[23:27] <Anonym0us> i don't think network-manager will be enough, am i wrong if i say network-manager is only a interface for changing networking? also it does not prevent network from being enabled
[23:27] <nacc> Anonym0us: you don't ever want network to be on?
[23:27] <nacc> amirite: ... wrong channel?
[23:27] <amirite> your momma
[23:27] <Anonym0us> no network at all on boot, only when i want it to be enabled
[23:28] <Anonym0us> amirite stop sharing clickbait
[23:28] <Anonym0us> !ban amirite
[23:28] <Delvien> Anonym0us: nm handles the connections, so if its not running, its not handling it. unless you have some manual configurations
[23:28] <snowkidind> nacc - you are right, I was backwards, ubuntu has sudo
[23:28] <nacc> Anonym0us: which would all require root to enable/configure
[23:28] <nacc> snowkidind: yep
[23:28] <snowkidind> will see if ti runs as is tonight, if not I change the owner
[23:29] <Anonym0us> please ban amirite form freenode
[23:29] <Anonym0us> imagine this: no nm, but /etc/network/interfaces
[23:29] <amirite> please ban anonymous because he's a dumb dumb head
[23:29] <nacc> Anonym0us: set it to not be auto
[23:30] <nacc> !ops | please kick amirite
[23:30] <Anonym0us> no please ban amirite
[23:31] <Anonym0us> nacc, i would like you to understand what i am trying to say, if nm is disabled, network is still available.
[23:31] <nacc> Anonym0us: if you have it so configured, sure
[23:31] <nacc> Anonym0us: so don't configure it that way?
[23:32] <Delvien> Specifically look in /etc/network/interfaces
[23:32] <Anonym0us> imagine this: disable nm, and /etc/network/interfaces has no contents. now another or more service still has network, and will still be able to send hello packaged out
[23:33] <amirite> Anonym0us: stop talking you are a nuisance
[23:33] <Anonym0us> amirite you have been ignored.. please leave
[23:33] <nacc> Anonym0us: if NM is disabled and there is no wifi configure in /e/n/i what service do you think is polling the network?
[23:33] <HexicPyth> amirite: he/she's not giving you attention for a reason. At least he/she is helping people.
[23:33] <amirite> nacc: don't listen to Anonym0us he will just give you misinformation
[23:33] <Anonym0us> apt install no-hello-on-boot
[23:33] <amirite> HexicPyth: you're a dodo
[23:34] <HexicPyth> amirite: OK, and I'm proud of being the only leaving member of a supposedly-extinct species of dodo birds :)
[23:34] <Anonym0us> nacc, that is irrelevant. what is irrelevant tho is that i do not want network to be enabled at ALL on boot, could you help me with that?
[23:34] <HexicPyth> *living
[23:35] <nacc> Anonym0us: we just told you?
[23:35] <nacc> Anonym0us: i don't understand, or maybe you don't understand what you want
[23:35] <nacc> Anonym0us: if you want to physically disable network, ... well physically disable it?
[23:35] <nacc> Anonym0us: if you don't want software to bring up network, don't configure it to do so, and you've been told how (disable NM, don't configure in /e/n/i (or don't se to auto so it doesn't start at boot))
[23:36] <Anonym0us> i want interfaces to be down on boot and needed to be turned on manually
[23:36] <nacc> Anonym0us: that's /e/n/i w/o auto then
[23:37] <Anonym0us> well.. funny thing is there are no auto wlan0 in /e/n/i
[23:37] <nacc> there is also /e/n/i.d now
[23:37] <Anonym0us> and I'm online right now
[23:37] <Anonym0us> oh i see
[23:38] <Anonym0us> well, .../i.d is empty
[23:39] <Anonym0us> lol, amirite is root haha freaking leet haxor noob
[23:39] <nacc> Anonym0us: please ignore them, don't feed trolls
[23:40] <nacc> Anonym0us: do you possibly have something else configure wifi (say, wicd, or other such tools)? what version of ubuntu?
[23:40] <Delvien> Anonym0us: amirite both of you relax, this is not the place to take shots at eachother
[23:40] <Anonym0us> i will, after saying this: 1) using bait to get info, 2) running irc in root, 3) is probably 12 years old
[23:42] <Anonym0us> anyway.. /e/n/i does not include any info except auto lo and lo related things.. disabling nm won't kill network.. i need to figure out what loads network and prevent it from loading until i want it to manually
[23:42] <HexicPyth> Stupid question: I realize that you should not log onto IRC as root, or anything that doesn't need elevation for that matter, but are their any practical attacks against it?
[23:43] <nacc> Anonym0us: um, so you *haven't* disabled NM?
[23:43] <Anonym0us> well.. if your logged in as root, and get hacked, the person has root access to your device
[23:43] <Anonym0us> HexicPyth ^
[23:44] <HexicPyth> I know that, but I mean, how would one go about running a remote code execution vuln on an IRC Client. Where would it accept code?
[23:44] <Anonym0us> nacc i tried but its impossible to do so when you do not yet have the information/knowledge to do so
[23:44] <nacc> Anonym0us: what?
[23:44] <nacc> Anonym0us: you don't know how to disable network manager?
[23:44] <Anonym0us> yes i do.. just not on boot
[23:45] <nacc> Anonym0us: disable the service period
[23:45] <nacc> Anonym0us: then NM won't start
[23:45] <nacc> Anonym0us: at boot or otherwise
[23:45] <Anonym0us> HexicPyth IP addresses is a old technology
[23:45] <nacc> Anonym0us: start it manually when you want
[23:45] <nacc> Anonym0us: you were told this a long time ago
[23:45] <Anonym0us> IP -addresses, internet protocol
[23:45] <HexicPyth> I know what IP is :)
[23:46] <Anonym0us> HexicPyth, do you also know how weak the IP system is?
[23:46] <nacc> HexicPyth: Anonym0us: ok, at this point, this is offtopic
[23:46] <HexicPyth> OK i'll stop
[23:47] <Anonym0us> security is offtopic? wes
[23:47] <Anonym0us> wew*
[23:47] <nacc> Anonym0us: discussions of the IP system is offtopic
[23:48] <Anonym0us> ok
[23:48] <Anonym0us> HexicPyth care for some pm?
[23:48] <HexicPyth> I don't mind
[23:50] <ghrerte> been trying to zero out a dri
[23:51] <ghrerte> ve oops sorry...trying to zero out a drive and its been 20+hours..Disks shows a spinning wheel but no status. any way to check percentage?
[23:51] <ghrerte> cli is fine if there is a command to look
[23:51] <Ben64> ghrerte: don't think so
[23:51] <Ben64> you might be able to calculate a rough amount if you check the current speed and you know the capacity, and you know how long it's been going
[23:51] <ghrerte> ah shame. super old machine and usb 2.0 so i knew it would be slow but this is mental
[23:52] <Ben64> oh you're doing this to a usb drive?
[23:52] <Anonym0us> nacc, excuse me. So how do i disable nm period (only enabling it manually) ?
[23:52] <ghrerte> how would i check speed? there is no indicator i can see
[23:52] <nacc> Anonym0us: systemctl disable network-manager as Delvien said about 30 minutes ago
[23:52] <Ben64> ghrerte: iotop
[23:52] <hhzhk> help
[23:53] <ghrerte> @Ben64its an external hdd 2tb
[23:53] <Ben64> ghrerte: yeah that's gonna be a while
[23:53] <Ben64> why do you need to zero it though?
[23:53] <Anonym0us> alright, at that point i believed that nm wouldn't kill network 100%, but let me try it and come back with results, thanks Delvien nacc
[23:54] <ghrerte> iit was full of data unencrypted and fat32. I wanted to make it ext4/luks and the guide said to zero it rather than a quick format to secure the old data fom being recovered potentially...is that not needed?
[23:54] <ghrerte> it would have saved me a day if not lol
[23:55] <Ben64> ghrerte: nope not needed at all
[23:55] <Ben64> i mean, zeroing it definitely makes it unreadable
[23:56] <ghrerte> oh hell. so if i just did a quick format and then reloaded it with the data all is safe? i didnt want to expose the old copies somehow
[23:56] <Ben64> well any data not overwritten could be seen
[23:56] <HexicPyth> ghrerte: I suppose you could zero the drive, but doing so over USB may be a bad idea. See dd and/or hdparm
[23:56] <Ben64> and yeah, hooking it up any other way would be much better
[23:57] <ghrerte> its been going for 20+hours...should i kill it? got no other way to hook it up really
[23:57] <Ben64> it should be close now
[23:57] <SalanderLives> Anyone know a good way to add a widget to Gnome desktop on Ubuntu 16.04? I'd like to add a note with all of the Gnome shortcuts like Unity has for easier memorization
[23:57] <ghrerte> too 24 hours just to copy the data onto it initially
[23:57] <HexicPyth> But to answer your question, No, a quick format is not enough to prevent data analysis.
[23:58] <ghrerte> if i had been smarter id have encrypted intially...but i wasnt. trying to fix that but not doing well
[23:59] <ghrerte> i dont have a sata cable or anything so what other choice is there for conecting?