[04:28] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:33] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> morning EriC^^ !
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> how are you?
[04:34] <EriC^^> good you?
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> wow 168mb updates
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> great here EriC^^ working day
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> 29 degrees in belgium today
[04:34] <EriC^^> nice
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> ububtu base
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> think i have seen some wayland packages during update of aardvark
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: ^
[04:46] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Guess our developers are gearing up for wayland to be the default .
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> bit weird waylanbd still with unity now lol
[06:11] <ducasse> morning all
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> morning ducasse xangua lordievader[m]
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> working day here ducasse and 29 degrees
[06:16] <xangua> Midnight here
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> where is that xangua
[06:17] <xangua> México
[06:18] <xangua> Well 1 am already
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:22] <lordievader[m]> Hey ducasse, lotuspsychje, xangua
[06:22] <lordievader[m]> How are you all?
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> great here
[06:23] <xangua> Broken
[06:23] <ducasse> hi lordievader[m]
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> on the train again lordievader[m] ?
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> the [m] stands for mobile right?
[06:23] <lordievader[m]> The [m] stands for Matrix ;)
[06:24] <lordievader[m]> This time I'm not in a train.
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntu-desktop-gnome-extensions-survey-1710
[06:40] <xangua> lotuspsychje: can we have window controls at the bottom center?
[06:43] <lordievader[m]> lotuspsychje: The nice thing about Matrix is that I get push notifications to my phone if someone mentions my name.
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> xangua: vote for the best
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> working day
[10:53] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:57] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj :)
[10:57] <BluesKaj> hi pauljw
[11:01] <BluesKaj> what's new?
[11:04] <pauljw> not much new here BluesKaj, made a road trip to new jersey over the weekend for my brothers' surprise 60th bday party.  then had lots to get done yesterday like bailing the lawn... :)
[11:07] <BluesKaj> nice  :-)
[11:09] <BluesKaj> been laid up with a virulent cold...my plans are on hold for now ...the yard needs attention , but it has to wait
[11:11] <pauljw> oh no, sorry to hear that, hope you feel better soon.
[11:14] <BluesKaj> well, it's a setback , but I'll catch up
[11:14] <pauljw> :)
[11:31] <pauljw> biab, time to ride to school.
[11:47] <pauljw> back
[11:48] <oerheks> :-)
[11:48] <pauljw> my daughter is driving to and from school but is still on her permit so i have to go along. :)
[12:46] <pauljw> brb, need to reboot this mess following updates...
[16:11] <ducasse> aren't there any ops present in main? i was under the impression 'dreaman' was pretty persona non grata after his constant trolling...
[16:12] <nacc> that would be great if they can be klined or something at this point
[16:12] <nacc> *I* got klined for typing too quickly last week :)
[16:14] <ducasse> should i ask in #ubuntu-ops?
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> hey guys, wanna take the 17.10 desktop survey for me?
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> https://goo.gl/forms/y33GYsiEe6BH6m3t1
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> lets make gnome great by default
[16:39] <BluesKaj> sorry , not me :-)
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> no sweat BluesKaj
[16:40] <ducasse> if this is at all gnome-related i'm probably a bad candidate :)
[16:40] <oerheks> "Sign in to your Google account to fill out this form" .... no joey
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> well its good they want the users opinion right?
[16:43] <oerheks> another hoax ... https://twitter.com/hackerfantastic/status/863359375787925505
[16:43] <oerheks> :-D
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntu-desktop-gnome-extensions-survey-1710
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: you think they wont influence gnome?
[16:46] <ducasse> oerheks: funny :)
[16:46] <oerheks> i think it does not what that dude says
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: you dont like joey from omg right :p
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> and BluesKaj doesnt like phoronix
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> is there any good linux news out there?
[16:47] <oerheks> lotuspsychje, oh no, he is doing a great job, but i don't do surveys with google
[16:47] <nacc> LWN
[16:48] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, i don't trust his sources
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> lets c nacc
[16:48] <nacc> https://lwn.net/
[16:48] <oerheks> i suspect he uses a lot of things *we* talk about, that is nice ( if he would give us credit too)
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> lol, found on irc..
[16:49] <nacc> i feel like verything else is (legitimate or otherwise) clickbait these days
[16:49] <immu> ducasse, BluesKaj hi all, lotuspsychje i got banned
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> why immu
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> uh-oh..that escaladed quick
[16:52] <BluesKaj> immu, banned where?
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> and for what
[16:56] <immu> http://eu1.dronebl.org/lookup_branded.do?ip=86.99.123.222
[16:56] <immu> check here all
[16:59] <oerheks> immu why would we check your drones ??
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:59] <immu> i don't know
[16:59]  * lotuspsychje is a lil lost..drones got banned?
[17:01] <immu> A listing in DroneBL is NOT always related to spam. But in most cases because of an open proxy !!!
[17:02] <immu> full message.
[17:02] <immu> You are banned from this server- You have a host listed in the DroneBL. For
[17:02] <immu> more information, visit
[17:02] <immu> http://eu1.dronebl.org/lookup_branded.do?ip=86.99.123.222  Please contact
[17:02] <immu> proxyscan@freenode.net with questions. (2017/5/16 17.03)
[17:02] <immu> so i mailed them and got my ban removed
[17:02] <immu> :)
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> i was thinking, grub can be lost/damaged by other things then windows right?
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> !recovergrub
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> confused a user this morning
[17:05] <immu> hmm
[17:05] <nacc> lotuspsychje: you can break grub with linux :)
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> nacc: :p
[17:07] <nacc> e.g., dd over your MBR
[17:07] <nacc> i mean, windows breaks it quicker, probably :)
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> oh well, the url is there so
[17:10] <immu> hmm
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> what hmm immu ?
[17:11] <Bashing-om> Multi booting several 'buntu releases .. I have a lot of experience breaking grub :P
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: lol
[17:11] <immu> critical thinking at your thoughts :) lotuspsychje
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> Lost GRUB after installing another Operating system? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> would this be better nacc?
[17:12] <nacc> lotuspsychje: oh i was just kidding
[17:12] <nacc> lotuspsychje: more than likely it can just be 'Lost GRUB?'
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> no, i mean would this be valid?
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> or are there other ways to loose grub non-os related?
[17:13] <nacc> off the top of my head, i don't know
[17:13] <nacc> i imagine once could fubar the grub cfg
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> yeah was just thinking, delating stuf
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> delete
[17:13] <immu> MBR attacked by some virus
[17:26] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: What I see most often in multi-booting is recursion within the grub.cfg file from other install's grub .
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: ok great but in theory perhaps messing with other boot programs like lilo could break grub also perhaps?
[17:29] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Oh gosh .. been so long since I messed with lilo. will have to think on this .
[17:29] <nacc> lotuspsychje: i think, if using lilo or others on normal systems, it will *replace* grub
[17:29] <nacc> in the boot sector
[17:29] <nacc> lilo is rarely used outside of ia64/power, though, right?
[17:30] <nacc> and power went to yaboot
[17:30] <nacc> and is now grub2
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[17:30] <immu> This is a synopsis of recent activity in DroneBL. DroneBL is a realtime monitor of abusable IPs, which has the goal of stopping abuse of infected machines.
[17:30] <nacc> so yes, installing lilo then runing lilo --install or whatever, would break grub :)
[17:30] <nacc> but you'd need to be root
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> just thinking of the trigger nacc, what else could happen to break
[17:31] <nacc> lotuspsychje: yeah, i'm not sure you can come up with a fully-inclusive list
[17:31] <nacc> what you have is probably good enough
[17:31] <ducasse> you might be overthinking this, lotus :)
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> ill think nacc first sugestion to keep it simple would be best then
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> Have you lost GRUB? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub to restore it.
[17:32] <nacc> +1
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> but i doubt the ops gonna like this
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> they surely will ask why to erase windows :p
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[17:35] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje> !recovergrub is Have you lost GRUB? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub to restore it.
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[17:35] <lotuspsychje> there
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> have a nice evening to all, work tomorrow
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> dont forget to vote for gnome 17.10 baizon akik_ Ben64 immu lordievader Mr_0_ nicomachus wafflejock https://goo.gl/forms/y33GYsiEe6BH6m3t1
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> laterz
[17:51]  * nacc thinks gear4 shouldn't have bid on a contract they don't undrestand
[17:54] <ducasse> something is fishy here...
[17:54] <nacc> yeah, my instinct was trolling
[17:54] <nacc> you can setup fully unauth'd ssh
[17:54] <nacc> but it's so terrible that no one does
[17:54] <nacc> and if any client machine is compromised, there goes your repo
[17:55] <ducasse> he's not listening to that, though.
[17:55] <nacc> right
[17:55] <nacc> and called me blind and arthiritic instead :)
[17:55] <ducasse> :)
[18:01] <nacc> ducasse: i'm tempted to ask what company they are contracting with and make sure not to order anything from them :)
[18:02] <ducasse> is this too rude: ?
[18:02] <ducasse> gear4: you might want to take into consideration that when everybody tells you something is stupid there's a good chance it is, and maybe pass that on to whoever's in charge...
[18:02] <nacc> ducasse: i just don't think they are responsive
[18:02] <nacc> to such feedback, i mean
[18:02] <ducasse> ok, then screw it and good luck to him :)
[18:03] <nacc> i also stand by my position that it's not an ubuntu support topic to a) solve a non-problem that they are being paid to solve b) configure a service for a user in an insecure way
[18:06] <ducasse> i whole-heartedly agree. kind of like helping people do their homework.
[18:07] <nacc> yeah -- or at least be up front that "i can't do my job, how do i do this?" :)
[18:09] <ducasse> :)
[18:11] <immu> survey done
[18:34] <DJones> Anobody thats on Ubuntu 17.04 (Unity) can you check something for me, right clicking on the desktop lets me create a new folder, but not a new document, is that right, I'm sure I used to be able to create new text documents etc
[18:44] <DJones> Ah never mind, default Nautilus file browser lacks ‘New Document’ option in its context menu (right-click menu) in my fresh installed Ubuntu 17.04
[18:45] <nacc> DJones: LP: #1437502 ?
[18:45] <nacc> DJones: i found another bug that was duped to that one that was about unity (i think)
[18:46] <DJones> nacc: Yeah, touch ~/Templates/Untitled\ Document fixes the issue, looks like a nautilus bug/issue
[18:47] <nacc> DJones: ah ok
[18:47] <DJones> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2017/04/enable-new-document-context-menu-in-ubuntu-17-04/
[18:47] <DJones> Seems to explain it
[18:48] <DJones> ducasse: Sorry for pm
[18:51] <ducasse> DJones: np. the way he was harassing ikonia for a while i didn't expect that to happen soon :)
[19:14] <immu> DJones, no new right click for docs menu entry not present
[22:53] <Ben64> heh, can pick both left and right side for window controls on the survey
[23:10] <nacc> is it confusing to anyone else when someone comes in and doesn't know what ubuntu they are running?
[23:10] <nacc> i'm trying to think of reasons that happens
[23:11] <nacc> I guess if a University gives you a VM or something
[23:11] <nacc> or your company does
[23:11] <nacc> but presuming you installed it -- how do you not know what version you installed
[23:11] <nacc> maybe people are so used to the loud windows splash screen?