[01:07] Hey all. I'm moving some VMs over from CentOS, and I've got my bridge set up, but I'm struggling to figure out how to aim virt-manager at it. Is attaching to an existing bridge possible with virt-manager? [01:08] mason, you have a ubuntu server acting as a KVM host and you want to manage its VMs from a desktop? [01:08] pmatulis: Well, from a combination of virt-manager and virsh. [01:09] hey mason :) [01:09] sarnold: o/ [01:09] pmatulis: I don't like the three pages of command line I need to define new VMs with virsh. I like the wizardly approach. [01:11] Ah, maybe it's an issue with virt-manager. Just noted https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1355907 [01:11] bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1355907 in netcf "Unable to use / create existing NetworkManager bridge" [Unspecified,New] [01:11] (although I made my bridge manually, not with NM) [01:12] mason, ok, so your KVM host has a bridge, say br0? [01:12] It is indeed br0. [01:13] (FWIW, I've spent years with Xen, so KVM is still fairly new to me. Also, bridging still seems slightly alien to me.) [01:13] mason, so you are now trying to configure a connection to the KVM host from virt-manager right? [01:14] No, that's easy - I can connect to it. I want to be able to define new virtual machines using the existing bridge. [01:15] If from the Virtual Network tab I say to add a new one - call it foo - and I turn off address space definition, I come to a choice of isolated virtual network for forwarding to a physical network. This has a popdown that doesn't end up listing br0, although it lists the underlying ethernet interface. [01:16] It seems unhappy with this, and complains that I haven't provided an IP address for network 'foo' [01:17] mason, what ubuntu release is running on the desktop? [01:17] virt-manager seems willing to create new bridges for me, but it's not seeing the existing one [01:17] pmatulis: This is all on a single Xenial box. [01:18] I'm not unwilling to edit virt-manager or libvirt config, but it seems odd that I'm running into a wall here. [01:18] mason, you mean the kvm host is running a graphical environment? [01:18] (just one machine?) [01:19] pmatulis: It is, yes. nVidia proprietary drivers even. Sometimes Steam runs alongside the virtual machines. [01:19] Yeah, not a cluster. [01:19] But even so, it seems like I should be able to use the existing bridge. [01:19] I'll go compare the old config from the CentOS environment. [01:20] i have not needed to configure that stuff in a while. it automatically chooses the bridge. although i've never run it on kvm host itself before [01:20] pmatulis: So, under CentOS, it offered to make a bridge for me, and it set it up itself, but now that I'm back on Ubuntu with the very comfortable /etc/network/interfaces and friends, I just made the bridge myself. I would have run into this same issue on CentOS I guess. [01:21] FWIW, the bridge config is largely identical to what I used for a long time on Debian/Xen, and it seems to be working fine. [01:21] hrm, when I hit the 'specify shared device name' i get a field for bridge name [01:22] but no idea how to use it; does it work? :) [01:22] (Backstory: It's my desktop, and I use it as a lab environment for work reproductions as well.) [01:22] sarnold: It's a freeform field I believe. [01:22] looking [01:22] sarnold: Wait, where did you find that? [01:24] If I could "specify shared device name" I think that's where I'd point it at my bridge, but I haven't found something with that wording as yet. [01:25] mason: 'open' a vm, hit the 'i' icon, focus the 'nic:xx:xx:xx' entry in the sidebar on the left; then the 'Network source' dropdown box [01:26] Oh, I don't have any VMs defined yet. Hrm. [01:26] ohhhhh [01:27] Trying to set up the virtual network in advance. [01:27] I just used what I had rather than going through the wizard [01:27] That said... In the CentOS /etc/libvirt, I do only see the bridge defined in actual VM .xml files. [01:27] bah and the wizard gets real personal real quick "give us an install media" uhhhh let me just click! [01:27] heh [01:28] I'll make a VM and see if I can back my way into the right bridge. [01:29] aha, step 5 of 5, there's a weeeeee tiny little triangle near the text Network Selection [01:29] That's where the "specify" field is. Trying it. [01:29] hit that little triangle and there's a dropdown, change that to "Specify shared device name", and that adds a new text field to the dialog box [01:30] Yep! [01:30] So, *somewhere* in the config there exists a way to specify that so I can pull my bridge off the menu, rather than typing in br0 [01:30] I <3 that a simple text field is hidden behind two separate "this is too advanced for you" things [01:30] hehe [01:31] So, under Xen/Debian I *loved* xen-tools to set up most of my defaults. Is there such a thing for KVM/libvirt under Ubuntu? [01:31] no idea what xen-tools does.. the server team put together a uvt-tool that tries to abstract over a bunch of libvirt things [01:32] I'll look at it. [01:32] xen-tools lets you set up a set of prefs, so you only had to specify deviations when creating a new vm [01:32] but I lose track of things right about the time I find out that I've got to hand-edit xml in order to use zfs datasets for backing devices [01:32] half a sec [01:32] sarnold: Oh no no no! [01:32] virt-manager makes that easy [01:32] does it? [01:32] maybe I can skip my libvirt NIH then [01:32] say "yeah, I want storage, but I'll specify the device" [01:33] Do you use Xen? [01:33] no [01:33] Or just straight KVM? [01:33] yeah [01:33] Anyway, you get a freeform text field, and you can say things like: /dev/zvol/zroot/vm/foo [01:33] ...which is what I did for this test VM. [01:33] Works fine. [01:33] for some reason the libvirt based tools never seem to work real well for me, so I set out to write my own qemu wrapper becase How Hard COuld It Be? three months later and it still doesn't boot any machines. lol. [01:34] Also, FWIW, your "specify" option you noted works fine. Spun up my VM, and I could pull an address from DHCP. [01:34] \o/ [01:34] sarnold and pmatulis: If you're *not* using virt-manager, is there a reasonable way to get a console on a new VM you're building right off? [01:35] Part of my using it is ignorance of the options. [01:35] So I configure stuff with virt-manager, but then randomly start/stop things with virsh or virt-manager, depending on what's in front of my at the moment. [01:35] s/my/me/ [01:39] mason: one of my coworkers on the security team wrote a wrapper around the libvirt wrappers :) so the idea is you'd use 'uvt new precise amd64 hostname-here' to build the machine with defaults from a config file, then 'uvt start hostname-here', 'uvt stop hostname-here', 'uvt view hostname-here', etc [01:39] Oh, right, I was going to get some config snippets, speaking of wrappers. [01:39] mason: but the tool requires so much security-team specific tooling that it's probably worth looking at the server team's 'uvt-tool' instead. (completely different uvt. oops.) [01:39] heh [01:40] So, xen-tools has a config that lets me specify a default volume group (LVM-centric) for VM disks, lets me specify debootstrap or rinse or various install methods, lets me set default sizes for memory, swap, disk, fs types, default networking types. [01:41] sounds lovely :) [01:41] And then when I want to create something, I don't have to say much. Example: [01:41] xen-create-image --hostname=FOO --mac=DE:AD:BE:EF:00:** [01:41] or if I want to override debootstrap and make it a CentOS box, I could say: [01:41] xen-create-image --force --hostname=centos --mac=DE:AD:BE:EF:00:06 --install-method=rinse --dist=centos-6 [01:42] I'd love something similar for KVM/libvirt, so I'll look at that uvt-tool stuff. [01:42] uvt-tool may be too specific to ubuntu [01:42] Whenever I see how people specifying a metric tonne of options on a command line for virt-install, it kind of horrifies me. [01:43] Maybe. I tend to run Ubuntu, FreeBSD, CentOS, and varieties of RHEL on this. [01:44] So, compare my xen-create-image, above, with the example they give for virt-install here: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Virtualization_Host_Configuration_and_Guest_Installation_Guide/sect-Virtualization_Host_Configuration_and_Guest_Installation_Guide-Guest_Installation-Creating_guests_with_virt_install.html [01:44] i let virt-manager do all the work for me [01:44] compdoc: Yar. The trick is that if virt-manager didn't define your bridge, you have to invoke Mickey Mouse to specify an existing bridge, it seems. [01:44] I create the bridges manually [01:45] compdoc: Same. Is there a way to not have to type the bridge name into virt-manager, so as to make that bridge the default? [01:45] That's what started all this. :P [01:45] all bridges and interfaces appear as drop-down lists [01:45] err, no. as a list [01:46] compdoc: It doesn't here - I have to specify a shared device. If I type my bridge name into that field, it does the right thing. [01:46] The difference is that on CentOS I could have a default network selected, so I could whip past that. Not a big deal, but it struck me as an odd difference. [01:47] compdoc: FWIW, it seems to exist elsewhere too: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1355907 [01:47] bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1355907 in netcf "Unable to use / create existing NetworkManager bridge" [Unspecified,New] [01:47] oh. heh. network manager. I tend not to install that on Server [01:47] mason: at least that example's easy enough to shove into a shell script [01:47] compdoc: Same here. But I'm not using it - the problem is the same though. [01:48] sarnold: That's true. And I could wrap it easily enough. I'm just... lazy... I guess. :P [01:48] Plus, I like popping right into a console, which virt-manager makes easy. [01:48] In any event, I think I have enough to get my VMs moved over now. =cheers= [01:49] I need to move this channel to a better window. It's /window 41 now. [01:49] it's /win 30 for me [01:49] not ideal, since #debian-security is /win 38 and the idfference between the two is mighty small [01:50] There, not it's /window 4. I made #zfs and #openzfs share a window. They're both mostly dead, so it'll work. [01:51] s/not/now/ [01:52] hehe [03:06] So, there were a lot of niggling little changes needed. Some examples: s/pc-i440fx-rhel7.0.0/pc-i440fx-xenial/g s/Skylake-Client/Broadwell/g were the big things. [03:06] That said, my VMs are happily moved. [05:31] good morning === danpawlik_absent is now known as dpawlik === Guest95054 is now known as lordievader === lordievader is now known as Guest95840 === Guest95840 is now known as lordievader [08:25] So.. I want to create a lxc router where the physical nic are bound to the container and removed from rest of the system. Is this possible? [08:32] helpImStuck: it would be quiet hard as the kernel is what provides netfilter and the container would need to interact with the kernel to update the rules [08:33] helpImStuck: it seems like a bad idea, when a VM would work better if you require it virtualized [08:33] also securing a containers interface is quite tricky [08:36] so what are the containers good for? I tried alpine and acf . it was cool. [08:46] alpine...ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha [08:47] helpImStuck: self contained mass immuatable deployment [08:49] And what does that even mean xD immutable . [08:51] helpImStuckAndMyEnglishSuck should i name myself here [08:51] helpImStuck: "throw away" [08:52] and why not alpine? They've created a small distro with.. hm. didn't work so well. small things like it didn't save my keymap after boot. And it's been along for a long time. [08:53] it's good in theory [08:54] small != good [08:54] I like lxd 2 because i can run arch and have all the packages from yaourt on an ubuntu base.. [08:54] what ? [08:54] Yes, small, not so complex [08:54] complex...it's very complex [08:55] they have applied some custom security patches [08:55] they have made their own "odd" package manager format [08:55] are unprivileged lxc container safer? [08:55] s [08:56] safer than what ? [08:57] alpine on xen [08:57] I can't / won't comment on other setups like that [08:57] #ubuntu-server is for ubuntu server based support [08:57] this is that channel [08:57] how secure/good alpine is isn't as a container guest isn't really for this channel [08:58] but you can use alpine in a lxc container.. so it's related [08:58] no it's not [08:58] you can use almost any OS in a container [08:58] how good that OS is as a container isn't really ubuntus issue [08:59] and then, for someone to get support if they use ubuntu server + lxc and let's say arch.. they have to look for help on the arch wiki instead of here? Even tho both os:es are involved [09:00] helpImStuck: if they are having problem with the arch container, yes [09:00] if they are having problems with the ubuntu host hosting the container, no [09:01] oh.. now i get it.. LXD is not ubuntu specific [09:01] lxd/lxc [09:04] it can't be. i'm using ubunt userver as host for the containers [09:04] -u [10:00] Morning all! Could use some help and mentoring please.. I had a ubuntu server which was installed on a usb. It then had a seperate raid array which i was using for meida sharing. I moved house and as a result the easist thing seemed to be to reinstall the ubuntu. which i have now done. I pluged the raid disks back in and to my suprise unutu seems to have picked it up. The issue I have is rec [10:06] The issue you have is unfinished senten [10:10] Sorry, its hard to see a lot of text in a tiny box [10:11] So fdisk -l produces Disk /dev/md0: 3.7 TiB, 4000529252352 bytes, 7813533696 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 524288 bytes / 1048576 bytes [10:11] this is the raid I previoulsy set up [10:12] and its been picked up automaticly [10:13] lv display shows the two volumes I created previously. will having different host names cause an issue [10:13] hostnames? no, hostnames have nothing to do with software raid or LVM [10:14] or do I just need to configure SAMBA ? [10:15] ArchaicLord: what problem do you have that you wish to solve? === Daviey_ is now known as Daviey [10:15] I am trying to reimpliment the old array. [10:15] define reimplement. From what you say, Ubuntu picked it up automatically. [10:16] yes it has.. I can see it I can view it locally, so I guess I just need to set up samba config to complete it [10:17] yeah, if you want to export it over smb/cifs protocols [10:38] i have a feeling I may have mapped the lvm to another place on the previous setup .. [10:39] I can cd to /dev/file-server/ inside here i have 2 folders but when I can't cd into them. when I do ls -l IU get folder -> ../dm-0 /-1 [10:40] wow my typing sucks. [10:42] ArchaicLord: LVM is mapped under /dev/mapper/ [10:42] probably something like /dev/mapper/vg0/... where vg0 is the volume group name [10:46] ArchaicLord: oh also, you have to mount the lv somewhere, the stuff under /dev are (mapped) block devices [10:47] would that be like mounting to md0 [10:48] ArchaicLord: not 'to' but 'of'. eg. mount /dev/mapper/lv-foo /mnt/someplace [10:48] you mount the lv inside vg on a pv :) [10:48] (to a directory) [10:49] iirc lvscan will tell you what the logical volumes you have available [10:49] their labels are available as block devices under /dev/mapper/ [10:49] it's been a while since I LVM'd [10:49] LOL.. sorry fallentree.. My trouble is I previously set it up over a year ago. I was doing it for the first them and found it hard. [10:50] now i have a fagiue memory and can't rember exaclty how it was set up [10:51] lvscan gives me this [10:51] ACTIVE '/dev/file-server/plex-share' [1.50 TiB] inherit ACTIVE '/dev/file-server/server-backup' [1.50 TiB] inherit [10:52] I suppose those are the mountable names [10:53] eg. try `mkdir -p /mnt/plex-share && mount /dev/file-server/plex-share /mnt/plex-share` [10:53] same for server-backup, then see if you can access files under /mnt/plex-share and /mnt/server-backup [11:01] ahh so i needed to mount the directory [11:01] mounting to /mnt/ allows me to cd into the share [11:02] now i just need to sort out permissions [11:12] thank you [11:13] fallentree thank you all sorted.. In windows I can now access the foleder and create new files [11:13] nice. [11:13] btw be careful with windows and smb... there's that wannacry thing :) [11:14] whats that? [11:14] oh the ransom ware thing [11:14] the ransomware that's been hitting the news for the past few days? [11:14] yah [11:14] make sure you disable smbv1 [11:14] (on the windows side) [11:16] ok will do that... I have just finished universtiy. I aquired a job for a company currenlty using ubuntu as their main os so I am hoping I can fully switch out of windows. BUt I will need to keep my windows instance for a bit [11:16] just in case [11:16] and I think I can' tplay a few games on linux [11:20] ArchaicLord: WINE never ceases to amaze me how smoothly it can run some things :) [11:20] yeah I have dabled with it.. I have never been able to get it to run League of Legends [11:20] which is ultimtly the one game I adore the most [11:21] but agian there is a lot I dont understand about LInux and I can't retain the info either [11:22] I was hoping once I got my ubuntu server up and running hosting my files to look into if i can package up my widnows as is and transfer it into a kvm inside ubuntu [11:22] so for hosting files/ streaming music/dvds what would be ur suggestion? [11:25] suggestion for what? [11:32] server application to host music, films and my own files [11:32] so then i dont need to use spotify, google docs and things [11:32] I wouldn't know what to suggest. [11:32] I don't deal with that kind of services [11:33] no worries thought I would ask incase there is anything new [11:33] well I am pleased I didn't have to trash the raid adn start again :D [11:33] thanks again fallentree [12:08] hello [12:09] id like to ask, is it possible to set lxd containers to be separated (do not see each other) and see to internet, but not in the way when i setup /etc/network/interfaces, but setup /31 from lxdbr or somehow like that, thanks [12:10] aoam: you can create two bridges instead of only the default lxdbr0 and link them up to one or the other - would that suit your needs? [12:11] im going to have more containers, maybe .. 80, isnt that problem? [12:11] aoam: no problem [12:11] so it would setup per conteiner one bridge [12:12] aoam: I don't know the limit on bridges thou, but it should work [12:13] aoam: essentially you can have a script that sets up a custom bridge the way you want it, and then creates a lxd profile to link it up there to then start that container with that profile [12:14] aoam: but since I now read that you want to scale up but nothing see each other wI wondere if there is a better way [12:14] aoam: mayb not type bridge at all for the uplink - let me check [12:15] i’v found that theres p2p nictype but it doesnt working when i set it up [12:16] well you get a virtual dev in the host that you then need to link up right? [12:16] p2p: Creates a virtual device pair, putting one side in the container and leaving the other side on the host. [12:16] https://github.com/lxc/lxd/blob/master/doc/containers.md [12:16] sure "leaving the other side" [12:17] I'd more think that macvlan might help - IIRC multiple macvlans don't see each other (only if the switch sends them back) [12:17] but that was on s390x OSA cards, other cards might shortcut and reflect the traffic (which usually is good but not for your case) [12:18] i’v even tried macvlans but it has the same effect, conteiners cant see each other and also cant see to the internet [12:22] so theres the only one possibility, to have per container one bridge and then connect them, thanks :/ [12:28] aoam: more experienced container networkers might see a better one [12:28] stgraber: ^^ better solutions? [12:30] aoam: isn't that a better solution https://serverfault.com/questions/388544/is-it-possible-to-enable-port-isolation-on-linux-bridges ? [12:33] wow? it seems that thats working ( ebtables --append FORWARD --logical-in vmbr1 --jump DROP ) [12:34] Yup, it works. Thanks [12:45] also one more question, i cant find how to set ebtables pernamently after reboot [12:46] is there an ebtables-save command, like there is for iptables? [12:46] yes it is [12:47] actually [12:47] aoam: /etc/init.d/ebtables [12:48] aoam: I *think* that if you call that with "save", it will automatically restore on the next boot [12:48] that initscript has some interesting options [12:48] case "$1" in [12:48] start) [12:48] [ "$EBTABLES_LOAD_ON_START" = "yes" ] && load [12:48] you should edit /etc/default/ebtables to your liking [12:53] i did /etc/init.d/ebtables save, and then enabled on start, thanks, it works :) [12:54] its perfect guys, i’v lost with that a lot of time :) have a nice day [12:54] \o/ [13:10] aoam: yw [13:32] I have been trying to install Ubuntu 16.04 Server on a system with two identical HDD's in it. I want to setup softraid 1 but grub fails to install every time no matter how I have tried to do the partitioning - which includes following the official documentation https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/advanced-installation.html [13:32] jamespage: starting to build the OVS 2.7 against the new DPDK that I'm prepping and testing - anything on the OVS changed to be aware of? [13:32] cpaelzer: don't think so - upstream took off the experimental status [13:32] but that's it [13:33] thanks jamespage [13:33] zetheroo: you install from a server CD like - http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.2/ubuntu-16.04.2-server-amd64.iso? [13:35] zetheroo: Any chance your disks came in formatted with GPT? If so and if you didn't change to legacy MBR, you'd have lacked a uefi_boot partition, which would certainly make GRUB fail. Of course, if you're actually running UEFI, that's a very different situation all by itself. [13:36] cpaelzer: I installed by following the Ubuntu 16.04 'Ubuntu Server Guide' I linked to. That should work ... or!? [13:36] zetheroo: it should, I tried that the other day on a VM with two disks and it worked just fine [13:36] zetheroo: sure, I just wanted to know from which iso (or whatever) to retry on a VM - also look for mason comment [13:37] ahasenack: thanks that lets me skip my test [13:37] I created / and swap on raid, so in the end I had something like /dev/md0 and /dev/md1 (swap and /) [13:37] cpaelzer: I am using the iso you linked to, yes [13:37] zetheroo: someone else had a similar problem here a few weeks ago, in that case the issue was UEFI boot [13:37] ahasenack: A nifty trick if you're in the pre-ZFS world is to make one big RAID and cut volumes out of LVM sitting atop it. [13:37] I think he disabled it and enabled legacy boot, then it worked [13:38] mason: yeah, love lvm [13:38] ahasenack: ok, will try that [13:38] I have a mix here [13:40] what's the benefit of UEFI actually? [13:41] pass :) [13:44] ok, well the USB stick (with Ubuntu Server install) is not booting with UEFI and neither are the HDD's [13:44] I don't know if there is somewhere else that UEFI needs to be disabled from in the BIOS [13:45] there should be a legacy mode [13:45] but, I don't have hw with uefi, so I can't tell from experience [13:45] for each device individually or ....? [13:45] hmm [13:45] in general I think [13:45] yes, in general [13:47] zetheroo: Cleaner multibooting, possibility for SecureBoot. [13:48] zetheroo: this answer is good: https://askubuntu.com/a/647604/7056 [13:48] zetheroo: You should have a legacy mode available in any event. [13:48] I am looking through the BIOS for legacy boot or something similar [13:49] zetheroo: Also, Ubuntu is fine running inside UEFI if you do want to run in the hardware's preferred mode. You simply have to partition accordingly. [13:49] zetheroo: Might also be called CSM [13:50] mason: well that's the thing .. if I do the partitioning how I normally did it before (on the RAID device - Guided use all space) there is automatically an efi boot partition made .. so I thought that would work ... [13:51] zetheroo: To give you an idea of the possibilities, I'm running on UEFI right now with MD-RAID1 EFI System Partition and ZFS mirrored across a pair of LUKS block devices. [13:51] zetheroo: Yeah, if you let it partition, it should do the right thing. [13:51] right, but grub fails to install at the end [13:51] If you manually partition, you'll want to be intimately aware of the requirements. [13:51] zetheroo: It fails when you allow it to partition on its own? [13:52] well this is more automated than the documentation and it still doesn't work [13:52] yes [13:52] zetheroo: My recommendation is to use dd if=/dev/zero across both disks. Let it start fresh and add a partitioning scheme, etc. [13:53] well I can't find any legacy setting on this bios [13:54] Might be hard to find, but it probably has one. That said, UEFI works fine. [14:02] mason, is this how you setup your softraid https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/advanced-installation.html ? [14:03] zetheroo: No, I use LVM. [14:03] ic [14:03] Well. I use ZFS. But I used LVM before that. [14:12] One thing I notice is that I cannot change the bootable flag to 'on' [14:12] I press enter and it remains 'off' [14:15] That's fine. That's a legacy setting. [14:15] so leaving 'off' then [14:15] Should be fine. [14:21] So this is what I have now http://tinypic.com/r/9ub2w6/9 [14:21] as per the documentation [14:24] proceeding with the installation ... [14:47] grub failed to install :( [14:48] http://tinypic.com/r/339ocas/9 [14:50] zetheroo: You need to nail down if you're in UEFI mode or not. [14:50] any ideas? [14:50] hmm [14:51] Your layout is fine for legacy booting [14:51] But if you're on GPT, it'll fail, and if you're on UEFI, it'll fail. [14:52] So: 1. dd if=/dev/zero of=yourdisk across both your disks prior to install, as then the installer will Do The Right Thing. 2. Make sure you're explicitly in legacy mode booting, because you'll have to do something quite different if you're booting UEFI. [14:53] can any help me please. I am in UK. My Broadband is supplied by BT. In order to use my own router I have the BT Router set on network 1.254 I had to have my own router set on 0.1 so i beileve its a different subnet. on the 0.1 network I have no a ubuntu web server which I want to host application like next cloud. i am hoping i have set up ddclient to connect to my dynu account to update the ipaddre [14:53] If you've got GPT partitioning (dunno!) then you'd need to add a bios_grub partition to each disk as well as what you've got, for the combination of legacy booting on GPT. If you've got legacy booting on MBR you don't need this, and the wipe will make that happen. [14:53] eg xxx.xxx.1.254 and xxx.xxx.0.1 [14:54] If you've got UEFI, then you need GPT and you need an EFI System Partition, but not a bios_grub partition. [14:56] ArchaicLord: You don't want a separate subnet on a public space. You need NAT. [14:58] mason: ok how and where do I learn to do this properly [15:00] ArchaicLord: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing maybe [15:00] mason: it seems I have to change the SATA Mode to IDE (it's currently AHCI) [15:00] zetheroo: You shouldn't have to do that. I would in fact strongly advise against it. [15:01] zetheroo: While IDE counts as "legacy" for what it is, it's not the droid you're looking for. [15:01] mason: SATA Mode Selection This item selects the mode for the installed SATA drives. The options are IDE, AHCI and RAID. SATA RAID Option ROM/UEFI Driver (Available if the item above - SATA Mode Select is set to AHCI or RAID) Select Enabled to use the SATA RAID Option ROM/UEFI driver for system boot. The options are Enabled and Disabled. [15:01] zetheroo: Maybe take some screenshots of your BIOS. [15:01] zetheroo: I don't think you want your BIOS doing RAID. [15:01] +1, don't do that [15:01] mason: my server points to xxxx.xxx.1.254 as its gateway [15:02] screenshot coming [15:02] ArchaicLord: Okay. And you likely have a single IP assigned, and that IP is your window onto the world. [15:02] my motherboard is X10slm-f btw [15:02] ArchaicLord: Anything behind your firewall will live on a private address space. [15:02] zetheroo: Doesn't ring a bell. Screenshots FTW. [15:03] it's a Supermicro board [15:03] screenshot coming [15:04] http://tinypic.com/r/mhgi1k/9 [15:05] disable the 'SATA RAID Option ROM/UEFI Driver' ? [15:06] what a horrible website [15:06] is there a problem with youir drives? [15:08] compdoc: not that I know of ... why? [15:08] ahci is a good choice, but raid also enables ahci, so Ive heard [15:09] mason: wdyt? [15:10] zetheroo: looking [15:10] k [15:11] zetheroo: Cab you catch each menu like that? It's going to be something further over to the right. Also, might help to reset to factory defaults. You don't want that BIOS RAID turned on. [15:11] And that BIOS knows about UEFI, so you'll need to clear that up. [15:12] mason: I already tried restoring to 'Optimized Defaults' [15:12] zetheroo: Snag a snapshot of the screen that talks about boot options. [15:13] ok [15:15] http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2017-05-17_17-14-33-IHys49Gx.png [15:15] http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2017-05-17_17-14-44-PMkToHau.png [15:16] http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2017-05-17_17-14-55-hsoqATaI.png [15:17] zetheroo: Maybe the security screen too? [15:18] I'd tend to expect what we want on the Boot screen (with boot options) but maybe it's on Security instead. [15:18] nothing uefi-related in there ... but just a sec [15:19] On the plus side, the Boot screen shows the nice variety of UEFI boot manager. [15:19] /25/ [15:19] Under Advanced there is Boot Feature [15:20] A picture is worth a thousand words. [15:21] http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2017-05-17_17-20-52-8FsoBv3K.png [15:21] http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2017-05-17_17-21-03-c42nZmdG.png [15:22] this is the motherboard manual https://www.supermicro.com/manuals/motherboard/C222/MNL-1428.pdf [15:22] zetheroo: Yeah, not seeing it. Welcome to the world of UEFI, which you'll be using with that server! :) [15:22] but I can't find anything which clearly says how to disable UEFI [15:22] shit [15:22] It's not a bad thing. [15:22] UEFI works fine, and you've got one of the better boot management interfaces. [15:23] but no documentation :P [15:23] Wait. [15:23] So, the Re-try Boot menu should have a legacy mode in it,. [15:23] try that [15:23] ha [15:24] Legacy or EFI boot [15:24] FWIW, I searched for "legacy" in the PDF you linked. [15:24] doh [15:24] If that had turned up dry, the next search would be for "csb". [15:24] But do read more about UEFI someday. It's not at all bad. [15:24] Just different. [15:25] will do ... some day ... [15:25] so this should do the trick? [15:25] Leave a tip in the jar. [15:25] Maybe you'll have other issues, but this seems like a good start. You might still need to wipe the disks to get rid of GPT formatting, if it's there. The installer doesn't know how to deal with that gracefully. [15:25] +1 on UEFI, it's worth learning about. it's the way all servers are being built now. [15:26] and desktops [15:26] is it ok to task questions regarding lxd/lxc here, running ubuntu server as host. [15:26] ask :) [15:26] helpImStuck: Sure. Sadly, I have no experience with lxd, but other folks probably do. [15:27] well I don't mind using UEFI or whatever, so long as it doesn't mean installing an OS like Ubuntu suddenly takes all kinds of hoops to jump through that were not needed before :P cost vs benefit [15:27]