[00:00] <Ben64> get a sata cable?
[00:00] <HexicPyth> Ghrerte: Can this computer boot from USB? You could boot an arch linux or ubuntu or whatever .ISO and launch dd/hddparm/whatever directly from their.
[00:00] <HexicPyth> *there
[00:00] <Ben64> HexicPyth: that doesn't make it go faster
[00:01] <ghrerte> hexic i can do that yes....how long do you think that would take for a 2tb
[00:01] <HexicPyth> Ben64: No, but I would make it more reliable
[00:01] <Ben64> no it wouldn't
[00:01] <ghrerte> oh...yeah dont want to start over for 24hours
[00:01] <HexicPyth> Ben64: Generally, zeroing over USB isn't recommended right?
[00:01] <ghrerte> i wish the guide had said so,,,i was just following directions
[00:01] <kk4ewt> HexicPyth,  why not
[00:02] <Ben64> but your idea doesn't stop it from being usb
[00:02] <HexicPyth> kk4ewt, I just remember seeing it here: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwiZmuCG0PXTAhXjyVQKHb9dA5kQFggqMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fata.wiki.kernel.org%2Findex.php%2FATA_Secure_Erase
[00:02] <ghrerte> how does a sata cable connect anyway? have to open the machine?
[00:02] <ghrerte> i dont have an external sata copnnection
[00:03] <Ben64> ghrerte: yes
[00:04] <ghrerte> so put the hddd in the 2.5bay and boot to live usb ans do it? that possible? would it still take ages?
[00:04] <HexicPyth> Probably
[00:04] <Ben64> ghrerte: does the drive even have sata
[00:05] <ghrerte> oh hell yeah id have to tear the case off...easnt thinking
[00:05] <ghrerte> it has sata inside based on specs but is in sealed housing and it would ruin it taking aprt
[00:06] <ghrerte> well this sucks. my fault for being ignorant and having old garbage
[00:06] <HexicPyth> ghrete: Ignore what I said, I misinterpreted your question. In your case, going over USB is the only option.
[00:06] <Anonym0us> nucc: disabling nm did not kill network as expected, in fact it was loaded when i logged in
[00:07] <arosen> I'm facing an odd problem. My system seems to fail to boot unless i hit esc on boot then i'm able to see grub.
[00:07] <Anonym0us> *as i expected.
[00:07] <arosen> Any ideas why that could be occurring?
[00:07] <Anonym0us> arosen check bios settings
[00:10] <ghrerte> how do i kill the format if i give up? i see No way to stop it
[00:10] <ghrerte> in Gnome Disks
[00:10] <Ben64> ghrerte: have you found the speed yet
[00:10] <Ben64> and just kill the process
[00:11] <ghrerte> i dont have iotop installed and network card is bad...is there another top type process i might have?
[00:11] <hhzhk> whoami
[00:11] <ghrerte> that would show speed
[00:11] <ghrerte> i seem to remember u
[00:11] <ghrerte> sing some other something top
[00:12] <hhzhk> whoami
[00:12] <Ben64> ghrerte: cat /proc/diskstats
[00:12] <Anonym0us> ghrerte: when formating a harddrive fails, i usually just reboot, it might have something to do with the harddrive not being registered when turning your computer on, but this is just a guess.
[00:13] <ghrerte> ben it gave lots of numbes but none look like speeds or have units
[00:13] <Ben64> ghrerte: the 10th column is how much written
[00:13] <Ben64> in sectors
[00:13] <VentGrey> Hello ubuntu users, does anyone know what theme does ubuntu use on Lightdm? I really like that clear textbox :3
[00:14] <ghrerte> not sure which is tenth...does one start after sdb?
[00:14] <Ben64> 1 is the first one...
[00:14] <ghrerte> and should i be looking at sdb or sdb1
[00:14] <Ben64> probably sdb since that's the drive
[00:15] <ghrerte> ok dont mean to sound dumb but the output was for example 204 585923204
[00:17] <Anonym0us> what makes wifi possible/loads wifi on boot, and how do i disable it, and manually enabled it when i want to use it?
[00:17] <ghrerte> then next row indented is 8 q7 sdb1 230  o 13309 496 42684317 1602311388 1652109577 553735784 0 387 7112 55386 4132
[00:18] <Anonym0us> nacc: <Anonym0us> nucc: disabling nm did not kill network as expected, in fact it was loaded when i logged in
[00:18] <Ben64> ghrerte: you probably need to make the window bigger so you can see it properly
[00:18] <ghrerte> i am full screen...thats how it looks
[00:19] <Ben64> but device is the 3rd column so there you go
[00:19] <Ben64> but there should only be 14 columns per line
[00:20] <ghrerte> so 1661260953
[00:20] <ghrerte> is that 166gb?
[00:20] <Ben64> no
[00:21] <ghrerte> oops missed a digit
[00:21] <ghrerte> ok please tran
[00:21] <ghrerte> slate that number
[00:21] <Ben64> size in sectors, as i said previously
[00:21] <ghrerte> ok so how does that help me determine the status Of the format?
[00:22] <Ben64> well if that's how many sectors it has written, and you know the size of the drive
[00:22] <Ben64> you should know everything
[00:22] <ghrerte> i dont know how to transalte 2tb into sectors to compare
[00:22] <Ben64> each sector is probably 512 bytes
[00:24] <Anonym0us> nacc: i think i found my solution: https://askubuntu.com/questions/603876/how-do-i-permanently-disable-wifi
[00:24] <ghrerte> help me with the math,,a 2tb drive is 200 million bytes?
[00:24] <Ben64> 2 billion
[00:24] <Ben64> wait, trillion
[00:26] <ghrerte> so its not even half done then
[00:26] <ghrerte> as thats 12 decimal places and the output was 9
[00:26] <ghrerte> great
[00:27] <Ben64> or you could just use a calculator
[00:27] <ghrerte> i did but i may have messed u
[00:28] <phelix> Would anyone have an idea why having this in cron does not seem to ever run?
[00:28] <phelix> 25 6 * * * /usr/bin/mysqldump -uuser -ppassword database | gzip > /var/www/backup/website.com_`date +%F`.sql.gz
[00:29] <Ben64> put it into a script and use the script instead
[00:29] <phelix> if i execute the command just as this it works
[00:29] <phelix> ahh ok
[00:29] <ghrerte> iit will take a week at This rate..unreal
[00:29] <Ben64> ghrerte: no
[00:29] <hhzhk2> ver
[00:30] <ghrerte> if the drive is 2 trillion bytes Nd only 1.6 billion have been written its not hardly scratched
[00:30] <Ben64> you're doing the math very wrong
[00:31] <ghrerte> yeah i just realized i left the 512 out...i am not great at math sorry
[00:32] <ChaiTRex> phelix: /bin/gzip perhaps
[00:32] <ghrerte> ok so its still n
[00:33] <bray90820> the current LTS of ubuntu uses systemctl right?
[00:33] <ghrerte> ot even half done
[00:33] <fsdsdsd> Stupid question.
[00:33] <fsdsdsd> lets say I install Ubuntu
[00:33] <ChaiTRex> phelix: And /bin/date
[00:33] <phelix> ChaiTRex, I just created a script. I'm going to run that from cron and see if that works.
[00:33] <fsdsdsd> Can I chroot to my new install instead of rebooting?
[00:33] <phelix> thanks
[00:33] <ghrerte> 850gb of 2000gb after 24 hours
[00:33] <VentGrey> :<
[00:33] <phelix> will those paths still need to be in there in the script for cron to run it properly you think?
[00:36] <al2o3-cr> ghrerte: check to status
[00:37] <ghrerte> how?
[00:37] <al2o3-cr> send usr1 to dd
[00:37] <ghrerte> i dont knowwhat thta means
[00:37] <al2o3-cr> ghrerte: you doing this from linux right?
[00:37] <ghrerte> eli5 please
[00:38] <ghrerte> yes...offline computer...and linux noob
[00:38] <ghrerte> chatting on tablet
[00:38] <al2o3-cr> ghrerte: sudo kill -USR1 $(pgrep ^dd) (in another terminal)
[00:39] <al2o3-cr> the status will show in the dd terminal window
[00:39] <ghrerte> it did nothing
[00:40] <Ben64> that assumes dd is being run by the user
[00:40] <ghrerte> i used Disks to format...does that matter?
[00:40] <al2o3-cr> ghrerte: no
[00:41] <ghrerte> i entered that and nothing heppend...took me back to user prompt
[00:41] <arosen> anyone know off hand how grub decides to configure linux boot options?
[00:41] <al2o3-cr> ghrerte: look for the status in the terminal where dd is running
[00:42] <ghrerte> i dont know where dd is running...how do i cehck this
[00:42] <arosen> for some reason, i have: load_video; gfxmode $linux_gfx_mode in my grub menu for my default ubuntu install but those lines are causing the OS to fail to boot.
[00:42] <arosen> if i edit the grub menu and remove them the os boots fine.
[00:43] <ghrerte> dd isnt running in a terminal that i see
[00:43] <al2o3-cr> ghrerte: oh, so you didn't use dd, disregard that then, i thought you used dd my bad
[00:43] <ghrerte> ugh
[00:43] <ghrerte> well if my math i
[00:44] <Anonym0us> how do i manually enable a driver, instead of the driver automatically being loaded on boot?
[00:44] <ghrerte> s right ben then its gonna take 48 hours
[00:44] <ghrerte> is there no quicker way to zero a n external hdd without special cables etc?
[00:45] <bratner_> Anonym0us, starting up a module (e.g driver) is 'modprobe <module_name>', removing  a module is 'rmmod <module_name>', preventing module from being loaded automatically is called "blacklisting"
[00:47] <Anonym0us> bratner_: so, i should blacklist the driver, then make a script that removes it from blacklist, load driver..
[00:48] <al2o3-cr> ghrerte: what size is it?
[00:49] <Anonym0us> something like.. sed 's/driver//' -i blacklist, modprobe driver, echo "driver" > blacklist ?
[00:49] <bratner> Anonym0us, blacklisted modules are blacklisted for the automatic loading. I think 'modprobe' will disregard your blacklist by default
[00:50] <bratner> Anonym0us, so just "modprobe my_module". Removing might be more tricky. So modules have dependencies and those will be loaded too. So if you want to clean up properly you might want to rmmod all the dependecies as well.
[00:51] <Anonym0us> jezz luizz
[00:52] <Anonym0us> bratner: how do i find the dependencies?
[00:53] <bratner> Anonym0us, lsmod gives you a list of modules currently loaded. So you can do a "before and after" and compare.
[00:54] <rzr1911> hola
[00:54] <bratner> Anonym0us, also lsmod shows you which modules depends on which other modules.
[00:54] <rzr1911> hello
[00:55] <Anonym0us> hello!
[00:55] <Anonym0us> nice nick haha
[00:56] <Anonym0us> rzr1911
[00:56] <Anonym0us> bratner: unloading modules could result in more modules not working, a chain reaction if you may?
[00:57] <rzr1911> thx
[00:59] <rzr1911> they speak spanish
[00:59] <bratner> Anonym0us, not really so if i have an imaginary usb keyboard that has its own module "coolkeys" but "coolkeys" depends on "usb_hid" which is not loaded by default. Now you "modprobe coolkeys" so modprobe will load "usb_hid" before the actual driver.
[01:00] <bratner> Anonym0us, now to clean-up "perfectly" you will first need to unload "coolkeys" and then "usb_hid" but only in case nothing else was loaded requiring it. In any case rmmod should not let you unload a module that is actively used.
[01:01] <Anonym0us> bratner: i see, thanks i can see that the one module i wish to disable is only used by one more :)
[01:01] <bratner> Anonym0us, have fun!
[01:02] <Anonym0us> bratner: thanks :)
[01:02] <Anonym0us> same2u
[01:14] <jqrj> What is a good logging daemon
[01:14] <jqrj> I want to bring my logs together into a central location
[01:14] <kaosu> Could someone please explain to me why Ubuntu holds back kernel updates? I've noticed that the same kernel updates have been held back for a week now. I'm assuming the kernel updates are held back for stability reasons (and I can manually install them at any time), but I would just like confirmation (and an explanation if applicable) if my assumption is correct or not.
[01:15] <IanStahl> Maybe a repository issue?
[01:16] <YankDownUnder> The assumption is correct.
[01:16] <kaosu> YankDownUnder, thank you for the quick response. I appreciate the help.
[01:16] <IanStahl> If you have bleeding edge repos, it can sometimes hold back issued updates because it can deem them security issues.
[01:17] <Guest25398> kaosu, you might carefully read the packages that are updated on your system every single time. others may not - just installing a new kernel may kill other applications installed
[01:19] <kaosu> I think my general rule of thumb will be to keep a close eye on the Ubuntu Security Notices page and keep an eye out for kernel-related issues. That way I can manually install the kernel upgrades if there is a security issue, but I can avoid needless kernel updates (assuming my system is working fine) that do not contain security fixes.
[01:19] <YankDownUnder> kaosu, Long time ago - back when "Mandrake/Mandriva" was my "flavour", the kernel updates often killed my "stead system" - which caused me to suss out Ubuntu...and that was a few years back now...so the stability is a major factor...some might not dig that, but a fair whack of folks do - especially businesses...
[01:19] <Guest25398> its not like they are comin' on a dayly basis
[01:20] <Guest25398> if i just let my colleagues install every new kernel here to shoot at our dev enviroment - i would run around allday rolling back kernel updates :D
[01:21]  * eiki_ 
[01:22] <kaosu> I see the merit in holding them back. It is kind of nice that Ubuntu does hold back kernel upgrades and individual users can decide what is best for their system. I agree that this approach is better for most people. Thank you all for the clarification.
[01:24] <Bashing-om> kaosu: Phased updates ? : See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases ; http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/phased-updates-to-start-rolling-out-for-ubuntu-13-04 .
[01:27] <kaosu> I read that Ubuntu is replacing Unity with Gnome 3 in the upcoming LTS. Has Canonical said anything about customizing Gnome 3 or will Ubuntu be sporting a vanilla Gnome 3 experience?
[01:30] <YankDownUnder> kaosu, Correct. "Gnome3" has matured - and is "old and established". The whole thing with desktops/window manglers is the "re-inventing the wheel" thingo...go what what works...
[01:30] <Delvien> YankDownUnder: i3 > mutter
[01:31] <Anonym0us> hello everyone, i would like to know some nice channels on freenode, please keep things ontopic by pm'nig me the #channel names :) i also do accept invites hehe
[01:31] <YankDownUnder> Delvien, (WindowMaker) ;)
[01:31] <Guest25398> Anonym0us: reminding people to stay on topic while being totally off topic is wired
[01:32] <Delvien> YankDownUnder: Oh god, no.
[01:32] <Anonym0us> Guest25398 who has opinions is weird
[01:33] <YankDownUnder> We're all weird. End of story. Easy peasey. NEXT...
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[01:43] <kryl> hi, please how to make resolvconf less boring ? :-)
[01:44] <kryl> I'll want to fix my own nameserver there !
[01:44] <kryl> it's lts server 14.4
[01:44] <Guest25398> kryl: boring?
[01:44] <kryl> yep everytime it override the configuration
[01:45] <kryl> and I can't remove it because it's a dependancy of ubuntu-minimal package...
[01:45] <Guest25398> chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf is the quick fix, a proper solution will need some time
[01:45] <YankDownUnder> kryl, You can always directly modify the /etc/network/interfaces => add static information.
[01:45] <kryl> yep ... but unstead of chattr +i
[01:46] <kryl> YankDownUnder, already tested it add his own configuration
[01:46] <kryl> I want to get dhcp address but use my static dns
[01:46] <Guest25398> kryl: write a ifup-down-script to echo your liens into the file after the itnerfaces are up?
[01:47] <YankDownUnder> kryl, Which can be done through edit to the /etc/network/interfaces configuration file...
[01:47] <Guest25398> i mean ther are plenty of  possibilities to make this less "boring"
[01:48] <Guest25398> like: tell your dhcp server to pass the dns servers a options to the clients
[01:49] <IanStahl> Hello everyone!
[01:49] <IanStahl> sudo -s
[01:49] <IanStahl> oops, lol
[01:49] <IanStahl> wrong box.
[01:49] <IanStahl> sudo -s
[01:49] <kryl> YankDownUnder, yes it works but resolvconf add his own configuration also
[01:49] <IanStahl> darnit.
[01:51] <Guest25398> kryl: do you have control over the dnsserver too?
[01:51] <Guest25398> not dns....dhcp
[01:51] <kryl> nop
[01:54] <Guest25398> kryl: https://linux.die.net/man/5/dhclient.conf and look for "supersede"
[01:55] <Guest25398> hope ubuntu uses dhclient?
[01:55] <kryl> I think yes
[01:55] <kryl> but I changed some parameters without success
[01:55] <Guest25398> i use it on my debian home server
[01:59] <andbubble> I have a server with two network interfaces. Both network interfaces are hooked up to a different ISP. My goal is to configure the server as a proxy where it can receive requests via ISP A and execute them via ISP B.
[01:59] <andbubble> I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 and I have installed squid. I've set up routing as described in a tutorial for configuring a transparent proxy.
[02:00] <andbubble> However, when I have both network interfaces connected and I try to connect to the proxy server via external IP it doesn't work. If I try connecting via LAN IP though from a device on the same ISP A network it does work.
[02:00] <omber> Evening, I have a question: I have a USB Web cam (PS Eye). I use it for Head Tracking in Windows with Elite Dangerous. However when I boot into Ubuntu it delays boot by about a minute (there are errors displayed). How could I prevent Ubuntu from touching this device period?
[02:00] <andbubble> Additionally, if I remove the network interface for ISP B then it will work via external IP however obviously the request will then go through ISP A and not B.
[02:01] <andbubble> Does anyone know to set up this routing nightmare as I'm at my wits end here haha
[02:03] <kryl> :-) it's totally unbelivable
[02:08] <kryl> I'll go for chattr :)
[02:24] <rzr1911> hey
[02:26] <k_sze[work]> I have a question regarding flash-kernel in Ubuntu 14.04.5
[02:26] <k_sze[work]> Is it supposed to support the NVIDIA Jetson TK1?
[02:30] <Dreaman> why not use 16.04 lts
[02:31] <k_sze[work]> Because I start off with NVIDIA's Linux4Tegra 21.5, which is based off of 14.04.1.
[02:32] <Dreaman> ok
[02:32] <k_sze[work]> I can *try* upgrading to 16.04 LTS, although I'm pretty sure it will break. :P
[02:32] <k_sze[work]> Let me try that just now.
[02:34] <Dreaman> https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/965192/announcements/jetpack-2-3-for-jetson-tx1-released-with-l4t-r24-2-ubuntu-16-04-64-bit-cuda-8-and-tensorrt/1
[02:34] <Dreaman> k_sze[work] help you or not i not use this
[02:35] <k_sze[work]> Dreaman: that's TX1, which is newer than the TK1. :)
[02:35] <Dreaman> ok
[02:35] <k_sze[work]> Looks like 16.04 is a no go because CUDA won't work with it.
[02:36] <Dreaman> http://robosec.eu/2016/10/how-to-upgrade-nvidia-jetson-tk1-to-last-ubuntu-16-04-lts/
[02:39] <tetsuo> Hello! Anyone knows why letters on terminal may overlap?
[02:40] <tetsuo> I´m on the new version "Zesty" and it didn´t happen with the prior.
[02:40] <SchrodingersScat> tetsuo: strange characters can cause it sometimes.  sometimes I run 'clear ; reset' without the quotes to get things back in order
[02:41] <astrat> [access "refs/heads/*"]
[02:41] <astrat>   label-Code-Review = block -2..+2 group X
[02:42] <tetsuo> @SchrodingersScat it didn´t work, it is weird because some letters are spaced out and others overlap making things illegible.
[02:43] <SchrodingersScat> tetsuo: it was always like this?
[02:43] <tetsuo> nope, just with the new update.
[02:44] <tetsuo> I tried updating the fonts but it says it is already on its new version.
[02:44] <astrat> ed by services)
[02:52] <Anonym0us> hi
[02:55] <Clonick-mexico> hi
[03:10] <hal9009> greetings
[03:10] <Clonick> hi hal9009
[03:11] <hal9009> new to irc. any other chan recommendations?
[03:12] <kostkon> !alis | hal9009
[03:12] <hal9009> thanks
[03:30] <JoeKnowbody> hello all!
[03:33] <hal9009> howdy
[04:06] <fishcake321> hey guys, I just got a dell poweredge r210, and am having some trouble installing ubuntu desktop
[04:12] <Clonick> someone can help me to setup on digitalocean?
[04:14] <YankDownUnder> Clonick, Um...don't they have their own support?
[04:15] <Guest25398> Clonick: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/initial-server-setup-with-ubuntu-16-04
[04:18] <arthar360> Hi. I am trying to configure iscsi target. When i run `targetcli backstores/fileio create file_or_dev=/var/disk1 name=disk1`, It succeeds and I can verify using `targetcli ls`. But when I restart the service, all settings are lost. Tried the `targetcli saveconfig` option but no luck. What to do? I am making a bash script.
[04:23] <jayjo> I'm trying to read an osx journaled thumb drive, and I can see the drive using lsblk ... Does it matter if I use hfsplus on the 128M component or the 1.8G component ( a 2GB disk)
[04:31] <jayjo> Actually now I know what happened. This drive has password from mac - can I open this in ubuntu?
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> jayjo: passworded/encrypted drives need to be un-encrypted to read
[04:32] <coventry> In lubuntu, I connected a monitor to my laptop selected it as the only output, then lost the connection. My screen went blank, and this persists across killing Xorg, or even rebooting. How can I reset to a sane output configuration? I get reasonable X output if I log in as a different user, so it's a user-level configuration issue.
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> jayjo: did you just try to plug it in, on your ubuntu system?
[04:32] <jayjo> lotuspsychje: as in, via the mac?
[04:33] <jayjo> on ubuntu I can see the drive in fdisk
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> jayjo: cant browse with nautilus?
[04:33] <jayjo> /dev/sdd1 SIZE 1.8G TYPE Apple Core storage
[04:33] <jayjo> No it doesn't show up in nautilus
[04:33] <EriC^^> jayjo: did you install hfsplus>
[04:34] <jayjo> Yes I did install hfsprogs
[04:34] <EriC^^> jayjo: try sudo mount /dev/sdd1 /mnt
[04:35] <jayjo> wrong fs type
[04:37] <coventry> If I try "xrandr -d :0 --output eDP-1 --auto" from a VT, I get "xrandr: configure crtc 0 failed."
[04:37] <Kunal> hey
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> jayjo: what i would try, is install testdisk and photorec (recover) all data from that drive to ubuntu and format it after to ext
[04:38] <EriC^^> jayjo: try blkid /dev/sdd1
[04:39] <jayjo> EriC^^: it doesn't fail, where would it show up?
[04:39] <flush> hi
[04:39] <jayjo> No output otherwise though
[04:39] <flush> i have a question
[04:39] <EriC^^> jayjo: try sido blkid /dev/sdd1
[04:39] <EriC^^> *sudo
[04:40] <EriC^^> ask flush
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> Kunal: welcome, what can we do for you?
[04:40] <jayjo> /dev/sdd1: PARTLABEL="JAYJO" PARTUUID="d91244ec-f1a7-470a-a072-6edaa3d4098b"
[04:40] <flush> my ubuntu keeps on freezing totally like never seen under linux, i noticed that it always freezes when im using flash player on firefox
[04:40] <jayjo> output from blkid
[04:40] <flush> is there an update or some way i can figure out whats going on
[04:40] <EriC^^> jayjo: do you know the password of the hdd?
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> flush: tell us all your details mate
[04:40] <jayjo> EriC^^: yes
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> !details | flush
[04:41] <flush> ok
[04:41] <flush> lets say my son or daughter is playing some flash games, every now and then the system freezes, then after few secondes the keyboard leds will start blinking and computer restarts
[04:41] <flush> few minutes ago i was watching videos on youtube and it happened
[04:42] <EriC^^> jayjo: try sudo mount -t hfs -o loop,encryption=aes128 /dev/sdd1 /mnt
[04:42] <hfan> flush, flash generally uses a ton of cpu. i'd guess you are overheating
[04:42] <flush> no i have a brand new heatsink for both cpu and northbridge
[04:42] <flush> #sensors show 26cpu and 30 motherboard
[04:42] <hfan> verify by monitoring cpu temps
[04:42] <flush> yes i do
[04:42] <hfan> lol  timestamp race
[04:43] <flush> cpu usage is very low, i have gkrellm opened all the time
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> flush: ubuntu version? graphics card chipset? driver loaded? browser version?
[04:43] <hfan> check syslog. next most likely culprit would be hardware issue or driver glitch
[04:43] <jayjo> EriC^^: failed to parse mount options. is it l,e=?
[04:44] <flush> i think im all to the latest... how do i know? apt-get install dist-upgrade ?
[04:44] <flush> as far as i know im on ubuntu 16.06
[04:44] <hfan> cat /etc/*release  will clarify
[04:44] <flush> nvidia gtx 680 video card... never had single problem
[04:44] <flush> ok
[04:44] <flush> Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS \n \l
[04:44] <flush> oh..
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> flush: looks up to date
[04:44] <flush> i thought it was 16.06
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> flush: how about sudo lshw -C video (chipset & driver= plz)
[04:44] <EriC^^> jayjo: try sudo mount -t hfs -o encryption=aes128 /dev/sdd1 /mnt
[04:45] <flush> WARNING: you should run this program as super-user.
[04:45] <flush>   *-display
[04:45] <flush>        description: VGA compatible controller
[04:45] <flush>        product: GK104 [GeForce GTX 680]
[04:45] <flush>        vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
[04:45] <flush>        physical id: 0
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> flush: driver= at bottom?
[04:46] <flush> ok sorry for that
[04:46] <flush> was using /exec -o
[04:46] <flush> sec
[04:47] <EriC^^> flush: command | nc termbin.com 9999
[04:47] <flush> driver=nvidia
[04:47] <jayjo> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdd1, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdd1,
[04:47] <jayjo> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[04:47] <EriC^^> jayjo: try sudo xxd /dev/sdd1 | head | nc termbin.com 9999
[04:47] <flush> EriC^^,  ?
[04:47] <hfan> flush, check /var/log/syslog at the timestamps leading up to the issue
[04:48] <flush> copy
[04:48] <EriC^^> flush: it's a command that lets you pastebin stuff from the terminal
[04:48] <flush> awesome.. ill check it out
[04:48] <flush> ok lemme see syslogs
[04:48] <hfan> plz do not paste it here. use pastebin
[04:49] <flush> yes sorry
[04:49] <jayjo> http://termbin.com/p19c
[04:49] <flush> syslog doesnt say much at all
[04:49] <flush> https://pastebin.com/2zwEKxU5
[04:50] <flush> im pretty sure its flash related... i have even played tf2 without problem
[04:50] <flush> is there a way to manually force firefox to use another flash version
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> flush: did you try chromium as test, does vlc play movies nice? did you install ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[04:52] <flush> let me see
[04:52] <EriC^^> jayjo: does sudo parted -l show any info about the filesystem
[04:52] <EriC^^> ?
[04:52] <flush> i have been watching lots of movies with gmplayer already
[04:52] <flush> never had an issue
[04:52] <hfan> flush, that syslog does look bare. can you paste bin syslog.1 as well? looks like it just rotate logs
[04:52] <flush> ok let me se
[04:52] <flush> im installing ubuntu-restricted-extras, what is this about ?
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> flush: that install flash and codecs
[04:53] <jayjo> EriC^^: it sees it & recognizes it with parted
[04:54] <EriC^^> jayjo: what's it say for the filesystem at the right?
[04:55] <flush> https://pastebin.com/ndzkmd7y
[04:55] <flush> thats a lot of logs, i think system from at aroud 00:30
[04:56] <flush> ok ubuntu-restricted-extras might fix it maybe?... i hope so
[04:56] <jayjo> EriC^^: ah I see - it's blank for the partition
[04:56] <EriC^^> jayjo: must be the encryption
[04:57] <hfan> flush, just had a though. i had a machine that could do 720p videos and stellarium just fine, nice frame rates, but a youtube video at 244p maximized would still eat up cpu and cause it to overheat
[04:57] <hfan> flash works a lot differently. i'd be curious to see the output of this, while running a flash video that causes problems,   vmstat -SM 1 5
[04:57] <flush> hfan ill have to check it out
[04:57] <flush> ok
[04:58] <flush> but if it freezes im screwwed
[04:58] <EriC^^> jayjo: try sudo apt-get install hfsprogs hfsutils hfsplus loop-aes-utils
[04:58] <hfan> keep an eye on the 'id' column of the 'cpu' section.
[04:58] <flush> with ubuntu-restricted-extras maybe ill be lucky
[05:00] <jayjo> EriC^^: i think that repo for loop-aes-utils has been moved or removed
[05:00] <jayjo> Is that correct? I'm on 16.04 LTS
[05:03] <EriC^^> !info loop-aes-utils xenial
[05:03] <EriC^^> appears so
[05:04] <EriC^^> jayjo: try again sudo mount -t hfsplus -o encryption=aes /dev/sdd1 /mnt
[05:04] <flush> ok my firefox says shockwave flash needs an update.. ill do that
[05:05] <jayjo> Still "wrong fs" type
[05:06] <josh-MATE-amdgpu> 16.04 is crashing (frozen display) when I plug in a second DVI display. Using free driver for HD 2700 (chipset RV630). If I boot with it attached, system hangs moments after gaining mouse input on MATE desktop. I have tried both monitor individually and they work fine.
[05:06] <hfan> jayjo, most likely the encrypted proprietary filesystem you are attempting to read simply cannot be read
[05:07] <hfan> either break encryption or decrypt it and try again
[05:07] <flush> jayjo what are you trying to hack
[05:08] <flush> ok i have updated flash player, firefox does not complain anymore
[05:08] <flush> ill try to freeze the system again tomorrow
[05:08] <flush> thanks a lot folks
[05:08] <flush> night here
[05:09] <hfan> flush, have a good one. last thing since i may not be here later; if the 'id' column of that command drops to below 5 then you are overheating
[05:10] <hfan> ...more or less, basically and indirectly
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> !xrandr | josh-MATE-amdgpu
[05:12] <josh-MATE-amdgpu> ubottu: How can I use xrandr to configure a display that I can't plug in without a full crash?
[05:12] <josh-MATE-amdgpu> ubottu: Why is a bot sending irrelevant information at a delay?
[05:13] <josh-MATE-amdgpu> MATE 16.04.2 is crashing (frozen display) when I plug in a second DVI display. Using free driver for HD 2700 (chipset RV630). If I boot with it attached, system hangs moments after gaining mouse input on MATE desktop. I have tried both monitor individually and they work fine.
[05:14] <hfan> josh-MATE-amdgpu, check syslog and Xsessionerrors for details on the crash itself - could provide a solution as well
[05:14] <jayjo> so it's not AES 128?
[05:15] <hfan> displays should just work, so i don't think any amount of xrandring would be useful until the crashing stops
[05:15] <hfan> even invalid xrandr settings won't cause a crash - just no display
[05:16] <josh-MATE-amdgpu> hfan: /var/log/syslog and /var/Xorg.0.log ?
[05:16] <josh-MATE-amdgpu> hfan: Yeah, that was a bot causing more confusion than help.
[05:18] <hfan> josh-MATE-amdgpu, those will help, but also  /home/<user>/.xsession-errors
[05:21] <jayjo> EriC^^: https://github.com/libyal/libfvde could this be it?
[05:27] <EriC^^> jayjo: looks promising
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> flush: so, any better now?
[05:54] <bilb_ono> how might I enter a terminal if grub isn’t installed properly?
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> !recovergrub | bilb_ono
[05:54] <selckin> if grub starts you can type in the proper grub manually
[05:55] <bilb_ono> I didn’t install windows
[05:55] <selckin> or boot with a livecd
[05:55] <bilb_ono> selckin: if I do that, can I access stuff on the current hard drive? as opposed to the livecd’s drive?
[05:55] <selckin> yes
[05:59] <bilb_ono> I get grub-install error failed to get canonical path of 'aufs' .
[05:59] <bilb_ono> should I have to mount the drive I am trying to grub-install first?
[06:00] <selckin> grub install has 2 parts, files in your /boot and the bootloaders in the MBR or that new EFI stuff
[06:00] <selckin> for the /boot stuff it has to be mounted
[06:00] <bilb_ono> though I can already see it in the file menu
[06:01] <bilb_ono> I don’t think I have to do boot stuff? according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows?action=show&redirect=RestoreGrub
[06:02] <selckin> never hurts to redo everything when there is a problem
[06:02] <selckin> you didn't really describe your problem in detail
[06:03] <Cyber_Akuma> Is there any easy way to see what were the last set of packages I installed through synaptic?
[06:04] <bilb_ono> what are ‘aufs” ?  in grub-install error failed to get canonical path of 'aufs'
[06:05] <selckin> aufs is livecd stuff
[06:05] <selckin> possibly looking at your current /boot
[06:06] <Cyber_Akuma> I installed several packages, and I am pretty sure some of them don't have a GUI equivalent that will show up in Gnome, so I wanted to know what was installed for the ones that I need to run through a CLI
[06:08] <selckin> Cyber_Akuma: should be a log of you did in like /var/log/apt/history
[06:08] <Cyber_Akuma> That would be flooded with all the information and details of the install process though woulden't it? Would be a little tricky to find the list of apps installed
[06:09] <selckin> that what we have grep for
[06:13] <bilb_ono> I want to check my nvidia driver on my drive thats not working (where grub is messed up). Is there a way to do that from my livecd?
[06:13] <bilb_ono> or is there another way to access the terminal?
[06:14] <selckin> yes you can mount your disk and chroot into it etc
[06:15] <selckin> for the grub part this is better https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Fixing_a_Broken_System then what you linked
[06:15] <bilb_ono> selckin: I think its mounted because I can see it in the file manager. is this right?
[06:16] <bilb_ono> selckin: also, is there a way to confirm that a broken grub installation is whats causing the problem before I go through all of this?
[06:16] <selckin> you never said what your problem is
[06:16] <selckin> you just claimed grub was broken and i asked for more info
[06:17] <bilb_ono> when I boot, I just have a flashing underscore at a black screen
[06:17] <bilb_ono> it just hangs
[06:17] <bilb_ono> once I got to a screen that I think told me something about being unable to find grub, so I went through the grub repair steps and it says it finished
[06:17] <bilb_ono> but im not sure how to check. all I know is that it still doesn’t work
[06:17] <bilb_ono> maybe its something else entirely
[06:18] <guest-N0ZHNY> yoo
[06:18] <guest-N0ZHNY> was gehtn
[06:18] <selckin> these things are hard to assist with remotely
[06:19] <bray90820> Maybe someone here can tell me why my service fails to start
[06:19] <bray90820> https://pastebin.com/raw/pZUx8ac2
[06:19] <bilb_ono> selckin: yeah I understand. any common culprits when you just see the black screen and a flashing underscore?
[06:20] <YankDownUnder> bray90820, That's apparently not the right place to place a service...for one...
[06:20] <bray90820> YankDownUnder: Why isn't it?
[06:21] <YankDownUnder> bray90820, Did you follow these instructions: https://www.ubuntudoc.com/how-to-create-new-service-with-systemd/ ---> ?
[06:21] <selckin> bilb_ono: could be grub yeah, or bios trying to boot of the wrong hd
[06:22] <bray90820> YankDownUnder: I did not
[06:23] <bray90820> Should I?
[06:23] <YankDownUnder> bray90820, Read though all that lovely stuff - then double check the "service" you created - then double check your "plan", then see how ya go...(plan the work, work the plan)
[06:27] <alkisg> https://developer.android.com/studio/install.html says "If you are running a 64-bit version of Ubuntu, you need to install some 32-bit libraries with the following command: ..."
[06:27] <alkisg> I'm running 32-bit version of Ubuntu. The android-studio installation was fine. But why did it download 64-bit tools?!
[06:27] <alkisg> $ file tools/emulator
[06:27] <alkisg> tools/emulator: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped
[06:27] <alkisg> Is android emulator available for 32bit ubuntu installations?
[06:28] <selckin> its 2017 what are you still doing with 32bit
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> selckin: if the user needs 32bit..its so
[06:29] <alkisg> There's a very valid  reason for that, but it would stray the focus of the chat, yeah...
[06:30] <alkisg> (hi all, btw :))
[06:30] <selckin> then i would like to point you to android studio channel
[06:30] <selckin> not really ubuntu related
[06:31] <alkisg> I think ubuntu ships some android emulator packages, doesn't it?
[06:31] <selckin> https://developer.android.com/studio/index.html clearly states you need a 64bit system
[06:34] <alkisg> "64-bit distribution capable of running 32-bit applications" :) Sounds very strange... not all their apps are 64-bit, yet some of them are, and so 32-bit is not supported... :/
[06:34] <alkisg> I think the android packages in the archives would suffer from the same issues...
[06:35] <alkisg> Thank you for the help
[06:37] <bilb_ono> Im at a command prompt that looks like root@alex (my computer name). Should I be able to install nvidia drivers from here?
[06:37] <bilb_ono> I keep getting errors about /tmp not being available
[06:37] <bilb_ono> but when I try mkdir /tmp it says the file already exists
[06:37] <bilb_ono> it says the filesystem is in read-only mode
[06:37] <bilb_ono> is there a way to make it write mode as well?
[06:38] <alkisg> Did you go there using the recovery mode?
[06:38] <bilb_ono> alkisg: yep
[06:38] <alkisg> Do it again. When you reach recovery mode, select to enable networking
[06:38] <alkisg> That will give you both internet access and writeable file system
[06:38] <alkisg> Then, go to the root shell that you are now
[06:38] <bilb_ono> hmm, i didn’t see that option..
[06:38] <bilb_ono> its in the list of ubuntu’s to start?
[06:39] <alkisg> bilb_ono: did you see this dialog? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Qw3_vQFb7zo/UEyS2gfQoxI/AAAAAAAAGXI/dWc6iE79IVY/s1600/recovery-mode-ubuntu-1.png
[06:40] <hhzhk> quit
[06:40] <hhzhk> exit
[06:40] <bilb_ono> alkisg: yep!
[06:41] <hhzhk> quit
[06:41] <bilb_ono> oh I see, enable networkign there
[06:41] <bilb_ono> ok
[06:41] <alkisg> bilb_ono: right
[06:45] <mohsen-rashidi> hey
[06:46] <mohsen-rashidi> i need a keyboard layout handler applet for lxde. could you please suggest one?
[06:50] <YankDownUnder> mohsen-rashidi, Have you asked in #lubuntu yet?
[06:51] <bilb_ono> reinstall time
[06:52] <radiation[m]> openoffice dosent appear in the search results?
[06:52] <mohsen-rashidi> YankDownUnder, yeah. there is only 70 people there and haven`t answered yet!
[06:52] <YankDownUnder> mohsen-rashidi, Patience...and while you're waiting, there is always "Google"
[06:53] <radiation[m]> Why dosent openoffice not show up in the ubuntu search button after i installed it?
[06:53] <selckin> libreoffice
[06:53] <mohsen-rashidi> YankDownUnder, thank you anyway
[06:53] <radiation[m]> openoffice*
[06:53] <selckin> radiation[m]: its now called libreoffice
[06:54] <radiation[m]> thats actually wrong.
[06:54] <radiation[m]> Libreoffice forked openoffice's source code.
[06:55] <selckin> all the people working on openoffice moved to libreoffice
[06:55] <xangua> radiation[m]: how did you install open office? What's wrong with libre?
[06:55] <radiation[m]> i just wanted to try it?
[06:55] <radiation[m]> there a problem?
[06:56] <radiation[m]> regardless, its not even an answer to my question.
[06:56] <YankDownUnder> If the installation of OpenOffice wasn't through the repositories (ppa's), then it might not propagate in the system-wide menu system.
[06:56] <xangua> radiation[m]: how did you install OpenOffice? It's recommended to remove libre if you want to try open if you want to try Libre
[06:56] <selckin> probably just entering the wrong search term
[06:56] <radiation[m]> That could be the reason why Yank, i installed it through the terminal.
[06:57] <YankDownUnder> radiation[m], Something to try then would be to either restart your window mangler/desktop - or logoff/login again...(whichever is easiest)
[06:58] <radiation[m]> ill just log off and log back in
[06:58] <radiation[m]> brb
[06:58] <buu> I'm on a ubuntu based livecd (clonezilla) in a non-gui terminal, how can I increase the font size?
[06:59] <ducasse> !based on ubuntu | buu
[07:00] <YankDownUnder> buu, You can try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup ==> although, it may NOT work...but it's worth a shot.
[07:00] <jonasrogert> is there a way to see what progeam is starting a bridge interface?
[07:00] <radiation[m]> back
[07:00] <radiation[m]> nope
[07:00] <radiation[m]> still wont pop up
[07:00] <radiation[m]> is there a terminal command to open it up?
[07:00] <jonasrogert> i can se two bridges on startup
[07:01] <YankDownUnder> radiation[m], you'll have to manually add the menu entries then, matey...
[07:01] <xangua> radiation[m]: what terminal commands did you use in first place? How did you install it
[07:03] <glitch> i run a command. it gives error . how to check the error  code of that particular command ?
[07:03] <radiation[m]> YankDownUnder, so how do i add the menu entries?
[07:04] <YankDownUnder> radiation[m], Don't know what window manager and desktop you're running - they're each different, bro.
[07:04] <xangua> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[07:04] <ducasse> glitch: 'echo $?'
[07:04] <jayjo> I was able to mount my thumb drive that was password protected via libfvde, but in nautilus it says I don't have the permissions to view the newly mounted drive (usb). It's at /media/usb . How do I change ownersip of a drive like this?
[07:05] <buu> it turns out the answer is 'setfont'
[07:05] <YankDownUnder> buu, Yay! You found the answer! Awesome!
[07:06] <josh-MATE-amdgpu> MATE 16.04.2 is crashing (frozen display) when I plug in a second DVI display. Using free driver for HD 2700 (chipset RV630). If I boot with it attached, system hangs moments after gaining mouse input on MATE desktop. I have tried both monitor individually and they work fine. Issue did not exist on Debian Jessie or Stretch on same hardware
[07:06] <radiation[m]> -.-
[07:07] <radiation[m]> i can now see why the majority of linux user prefer libreoffice.
[07:07] <glitch> ducasse : i didnt get you
[07:09] <YankDownUnder> radiation[m], I can tell you that I gave up on it because of formatting and "slowness"...IMHO...but that's a horse of a different colour...
[07:09] <ducasse> glitch: what don't you understand? it's a direct answer to your question.
[07:11] <jayjo> how do I change the ownership of something I mounted?
[07:12] <YankDownUnder> jayjo, You might merely restart nautilus to check if that's actually the case...
[07:12] <radiation[m]> How do you trust application as the root user?
[07:12] <radiation[m]> an*
[07:13] <ducasse> radiation[m]: what do you mean by that?
[07:14] <gpadmin> hallo
[07:14] <radiation[m]> nvm
[07:14] <gpadmin> hy radiation
[07:16] <gpadmin> ¶¶¶¶¶¶¶
[07:16] <gpadmin> HY
[07:16] <radiation[m]> gpadmin, are you trying to say "hate you?"
[07:17] <YankDownUnder> radiation[m], I think he's trying to say, "I want to buy tacos for everyone here"...but I could be wrong...
[07:18] <radiation[m]> -.-
[07:18] <gpadmin> I'm not trying to say that
[07:18] <radiation[m]> YankDownUnder, Don't think I didn't notice what you did there.
[07:20] <gpadmin> radiation[m] , can we be friends
[07:21] <ducasse> gpadmin: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[07:23] <gpadmin> yI intend to deepen my knowledge. And I really need you
[07:23] <meldron> Hi guys, for a couple of days my keyring is not unlocked correclty after login; i have to do
[07:24] <meldron> gnome-keyring-daemon -r -d so everything (escpically chrome) works correct
[07:24] <meldron> anyone wiht a similar problem and/or a solution?
[07:25] <gpadmin> Reading package lists... Error!
[07:25] <gpadmin> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[07:25] <gpadmin> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/id.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty_universe_i18n_Translation-en
[07:25] <gpadmin> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[07:26] <gpadmin> Reading package lists... Error!
[07:26] <gpadmin> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[07:26] <gpadmin> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/id.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty_universe_i18n_Translation-en
[07:26] <gpadmin> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[07:26] <gpadmin> how to work
[07:26] <gpadmin> please
[07:26] <ducasse> !paste | gpadmin
[07:27] <CyberTex> Hey guys, I'm using Ubuntu 17.04 and I would like to update my wpa_supplicant from 2.4 to 2.6 in the hope of fixing my peap problem and stopping my MAC-OS colleagues from taunting me.
[07:28] <CyberTex> How can I do that "Safely"?
[07:29] <parapan> Hi all. I have a problem with the apache2 log. it is filling too fast and reaching huge amounts ~ 60 Gb in few days; I understood lsof will tell me which process is filling this but I need more guidance ...
[07:30] <ducasse> CyberTex: short answer: "you can't". versions of packages in ubuntu are what they are. your best option is to find a ppa, at your own risk.
[07:30] <Simplar> Hello. I own an old laptop, Samsung Q45. Which Ubuntu will be perfect for it?
[07:31] <CyberTex> ducasse:  So compling 2.6 from source is a nightmare as I thought? It would involve recompiling the kernel and stuff ?
[07:32] <ducasse> CyberTex: not the kernel, but you really should look for a ppa or third-party repo first.
[07:32] <CyberTex> ducasse:  Sure, Thanks :p
[07:33] <ducasse> CyberTex: and don't just compile the source, build a package.
[07:34] <CyberTex> ducasse: What about downgrading ? is it safer? A friend of mine uses 2.3 in ubuntu 14.06  and it works like a charm
[07:35] <CyberTex> Not quite sure about the supplicant version , but I'm sure that he uses ubuntu 14
[07:36] <Ben64> would still be a ppa or something
[07:36] <ducasse> !info wpasupplicant trusty
[07:36] <ducasse> CyberTex: ^^
[07:38] <CyberTex> ducasse:  Here is an article about downgrading to 2.3 prosmising that it would be the solution http://www.kernel-overload.com/ubuntu-mate-16-04-lts-connecting-to-peap-network-without-a-ca-cert/
[07:38] <CyberTex> Either using 2.1 or 2.3 will hopfully solve the problem...
[07:39] <ducasse> CyberTex: i'm not going to recommend that, you are free to try it at your own risk.
[07:39] <CyberTex> ducasse:  Do you recommed downgrading over an external ppa solution ?
[07:39] <CyberTex> recommend *
[07:40] <ducasse> CyberTex: you would still be using a ppa, don't use the trusty packages.
[07:40] <ducasse> CyberTex: they are compiled against different library versions.
[07:40] <CyberTex> ducasse:  oh :(
[07:42] <CyberTex> ducasse:  Do have any idea when ubuntu upgrades to 2.5 or 2.6?
[07:42] <Hackwar> hi folks, I'm trying to backup files over SSH and I got issues with the right rsync command. I'm currently doing this rsync -aphvz --delete --stats --progress --compress -e "sshpass -p <password> ssh <user>@<domain>" /<remotefolder>/ <local relative folder>/ and this fails with the error that the remotefolder would not exist. When I log in with ssh directly and then do cd /<remotefolder>/, I get the right folder.
[07:42] <Hackwar> What am I doing wrong?
[07:42] <CyberTex> ducasse: pardon my ignorance.
[07:43] <ducasse> !info wpasupplicant artful
[07:43] <ducasse> CyberTex: it's still 2.4 in the development release, but that might change before release in october.
[07:44] <YankDownUnder> Um...hmmm...never used "Rufus" before - doesn't create a "persistent" boot USB, does it?
[07:44] <slojanko> Hello, can someone please tell me why my folders and files get moved on my desktop when I move just 1 folder?
[07:45] <CyberTex> ducasse:  alright, Thanks a lot.
[07:45] <slojanko> It's like fucking word when I rescale one image, I get 5 new pages, 20 things break and I'm downloading a 20GB game
[07:45] <ducasse> slojanko: watch your language, please.
[07:46] <axhm3a> slojanko: what desktop do you use?
[07:46] <slojanko> Ubuntu
[07:46] <slojanko> I literally can't move folders the way I want
[07:46] <slojanko> It snaps them by 100 pixels of where I drop them
[07:46] <axhm3a> slojanko: Unity?
[07:46] <slojanko> off*
[07:49] <slojanko> http://imgur.com/a/L2EPL
[07:49] <slojanko> Why are those 2 so close compared to the rest?
[07:50] <Hackwar> got it. Adding a : to the server:folder part helps
[07:52] <axhm3a> slojanko: did you checked the option "Keep aligned" within the context menu? (Right Click on Desktop))
[07:52] <slojanko> Yes I have it on
[07:52] <slojanko> Without it, the arrangement is even worse
[07:55] <axhm3a> slojanko: i just tried it on a unity vm as i am on gnome. i admit that i have no clue what "keep aligned" does...
[07:56] <krishg> hey yo
[07:56] <krishg> question
[07:56] <krishg> i'm on smuxi right now
[07:56] <slojanko> axhm3a: well you can make me laugh, I guess that helps
[07:57] <krishg> how do i use webchat.freenode.net?
[07:57] <CyberTex> ducasse:  At my own risk :( Do believe that https://askubuntu.com/a/735972 is "a" solution? As in a possible solution?
[07:57] <Ben64> CyberTex: no
[07:57] <axhm3a> slojanko: try the unity tweak tool. maybe you find some options there
[07:57] <CyberTex> Ben64:  lol ok
[07:57] <slojanko> What is unity?
[07:58] <axhm3a> slojanko: that is the default ubuntu dekstop you are using
[07:58] <ducasse> CyberTex: that's using the vivid packages, this is the worst idea yet ;)
[07:59] <zetheroo> is there a log for network manager?
[07:59] <CyberTex> Ben64:  Any recommendations on your side ?
[07:59] <Ben64> CyberTex: you've already been given the possible solutions
[07:59] <selckin> you're not gonna be able to do this in a sane way without learning ALOT
[08:01] <CyberTex> Ben64:  I couldn't find any external ppa. I'm on my way to be an ubuntu guru but I'm not their yet. Spoon feeding me could help me survive another day in the wild
[08:02] <slojanko> Is Unity already packaged with ubuntu?
[08:02] <CyberTex> there * -_-"
[08:04] <parapan> Hi all. I have a problem with the apache2 log. it is filling too fast and reaching huge amounts ~ 60 Gb in few days; I understood lsof will tell me which process is filling this but I need more guidance ...
[08:04] <Ben64> parapan: i bet it's apache...
[08:05] <slojanko> Ben64: you're straight up savage
[08:08] <hargut> Hello.
[08:08] <ducasse> CyberTex: the problem with using an older package is that it might break other things that depend on it, plus that library versions might not match. if there is no ppa with it, the cleanest solution is probably to build a package imo.
[08:09] <parapan> Ben64: I bet that too; if I only start the server , login, do some updates, etc , the size of error log is the same ....however ..if I access the webcrm I have installed ...even without editing data or so ....the error.log file size is increasing with approx 1 Gb.
[08:09] <Ben64> parapan: look at what's filling the log file
[08:09] <hargut> I'm just struggling with a USB stick containing some executeable files formatted in vfat. I don't get +x permissions on the stick working. System is a 16.04, tried to mount with exec and umask 0022 but it doesn't give me +x on the files.
[08:10] <hargut> Does anyone of you have an idea how to get execute permissions on vfat partitions?
[08:10] <parapan> Ben64: but how do I handle this situation ? yes, exactly ? how do I check what process is filling this file ? if I do sudo nano ....it's not opening the file ..it;s already 5,8 Gb now
[08:10] <Ben64> parapan: use something like less or tail
[08:11] <Ben64> hargut: vfat doesn't support permissions like that
[08:11] <parapan> Ben64: could you be more specific please ?
[08:11] <Ben64> parapan: tail file
[08:11] <CyberTex> ducasse:  Here is a solution I found long time ago https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1578589 but I had no luck applying it
[08:11] <hargut> Ben64: I know, but with a umask/exec there are several instructions on the web which seem to have worked in the past.
[08:12] <Ben64> hargut: with the proper mount options you can do that
[08:12] <hargut> Ben64: It's kinda weird, because it seems that there is some exec flag which can be set on files only because there is on .bat file which is executeable.
[08:13] <hargut> Ben64: but which, i already tried umask=0022 & exec.
[08:13] <Ben64> well how is it mounted now
[08:13] <jerin[m]> https://serverfault.com/q/850606/415745
[08:13] <jerin[m]> If someone can help
[08:14] <hargut> Ben64: I tried: mount /dev/sdb1 -o exec,umask=0000 but still end up with 644er file permissions.
[08:15] <Ben64> hargut: doesn't really answer my question
[08:16] <CyberTex> ducasse:  Building a package from 2.6 source you mean ?
[08:16] <hargut> For some reason it seems that ubuntu does ignore the umask,fmask values supplied with mount.
[08:16] <ducasse> CyberTex: yes, for example. if you know that would work - i don't.
[08:16] <Ben64> hargut: no
[08:17] <hargut> Ben64: I always end up, regardless of how I mount it on the command line with fmask=0022 & dmask=0022 when checking the mount output.
[08:17] <parapan> Ben64: tail -f error.log gives me a continupous listing of error; the process pid is 914 and is connected to one module of the webcrm .... it is a "PHP notice" ....only that is reported for each day of the week ...Monday to Sunday and then back ....
[08:17] <Ben64> hargut: well if you aren't going to answer my questions i'll just stop here
[08:17] <CyberTex> ducasse:  yeah , I believe I saw it their changelog :P . Time to learn a new thing YAY. <low key excited>
[08:18] <hargut> Ben64: What do you want to know? I did an fstab entry with exec,umask=0022 and mount /opt/cbird-signature  afterwards.
[08:18] <Ben64> parapan: use paste.ubuntu.com and paste some of the repeating errors
[08:18] <ducasse> CyberTex: you might be able to use the ubuntu source package for the 17.04 version, replace the source and up the version number.
[08:18] <hargut> Ben64: What exactly do you mean with "how is it mounted now"?
[08:19] <Ben64> hargut: the relevant line from the output of "mount"
[08:19] <CyberTex> ducasse:  Good lead I'm on it
[08:20] <ducasse> CyberTex: another option is 'checkinstall', but you would need to be careful.
[08:20] <ducasse> CyberTex: it's easier, though.
[08:21] <CyberTex> ducasse: From here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo ?
[08:21] <ikonia> I'd be more concerned at why 17.04 is two versions behind what you want
[08:21] <ikonia> is there a REASON it's not been upgraded
[08:21] <hargut> Ben64: got the catch, the media was mounted on a second mount point, and it seems mount ignores the supplied values then. As soon as I unmounted the second path, and remounted with the options it worked.
[08:22] <ikonia> as 17.04 is very recent
[08:22] <CyberTex> ducasse: I'm talking about checkinstall
[08:22] <hargut> Ben64: I've just grepped for the path and not the device, so I missed the second mountpoint.
[08:22] <ducasse> CyberTex: i understand, but ikonia has a good point.
[08:22] <CyberTex> ducasse: I'll try the first solution first
[08:22] <hargut> Ben64: Thanks for your help!
[08:23] <ikonia> CyberTex: when you posted the network manager solution and you said no lock applying it does that mean you couldn't apply it, or you applied it correclty and it didn't work
[08:23] <ducasse> CyberTex: the same thing applies, it might break other things that rely on it.
[08:23] <parapan> Ben64: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24591647/ ' I have replaced some sensitive info but you will figure-it out ....
[08:23] <ikonia> CyberTex: also do you KNOW an upgrade to 2.6 will fix your problem
[08:23] <ikonia> or is it blind hope
[08:24] <Ben64> parapan: sounds like you need to fix controller.php
[08:24] <CyberTex> ikonia:  I couldn't apply it because Network manager was already "occupying" my wlp3s0 device .
[08:25] <parapan> Ben64: how to do that ...should I output the line 184 ?
[08:25] <ikonia> CyberTex: so stop network manager to apply it
[08:25] <Ben64> parapan: either fix that, or maybe set it to not log php notices
[08:26] <CyberTex> ikonia:  I didn't want to mess up with my Ethernet too at that time without a professional supervision.
[08:26] <ikonia> CyberTex: so you don't want to stop network manager - as thats too big a risk to test a fix, but you do want to blindly manually compile a key networking component ?
[08:26] <ikonia> CyberTex: that's really what you're thinking is a good approach to this ?
[08:27] <ikonia> CyberTex: stop network manager - apply the config change to your wifi, start network manager, if it doesn't work, remove the change
[08:27] <parapan> Ben64: not logging is an easy fix but this won't solve the problem . . .
[08:27] <ikonia> CyberTex: if stopping network manager is too big a risk to test this, you no way should be blindly compiling software that will have implications on your whole networking stack
[08:27] <Ben64> parapan: if the problem is "huge log files filling my drive" then yes it does solve the problem
[08:28] <CyberTex> ikonia: It's ignorance that's how it works , what can I say ... :p I saw a red flag there and I stopped. Haven't seen any red flag in this packaging solution yet...
[08:28] <ikonia> CyberTex: are you serious ?
[08:28] <ikonia> CyberTex: first question do you KNOW 2.6 upgrade will fix the problem
[08:29] <ducasse> ...and not break something else.
[08:29] <parapan> Ben64: ok, but the "thing" which is generating this amount of data .....should be fixed no ?
[08:30] <parapan> Ben64: I must mention I did not had this issue in the past; it started 2-3 weeks ago ....something is wrong and I have to figure it out . . .
[08:30] <CyberTex> ikonia:  No I do not, but a guy on the internet said that 2.5 will fix it http://www.kernel-overload.com/ubuntu-mate-16-04-lts-connecting-to-peap-network-without-a-ca-cert/ . I quote "At any rate this turned out to be an issue with wpa_supplicant 2.4 and should be resolved in 2.5 however I don’t have that kind of time to wait. "
[08:30] <ikonia> CyberTex: ok - so this is a bad idea
[08:31] <ikonia> CyberTex: you have no real idea of 2.6 will fix it, you have no idea what else 2.6 will break or the implications to your system, you don't have a backout plan, you don't REALLY know the implications of building software
[08:31] <ikonia> CyberTex: yet you have a 30 second test that is documented as working from an official ubuntu bug - yet you won't test that
[08:31] <ikonia> apply some thought to that, do you really not see the error in your approach
[08:34] <CyberTex> ikonia:  yeah I get your point and appreciate your concern. As I said I didn't want to apply that solution without supervision because it involves SUDOing stuff that I'm not familiar with. Do you mind supervising that?
[08:34] <CyberTex> Or anybody
[08:35] <ikonia> CyberTex: you'll need to "sudo" to install the suplicant
[08:35] <Ben64> uh, building something requires SUDO as well
[08:35] <ikonia> CyberTex: this shows really why you should not be doing this
[08:35] <Seveas> Ben64: then you're building wrong :) Building shouldn't ever require sudo, only installing.
[08:35] <CyberTex> ikonia: ok I get it :(
[08:35] <Ben64> Seveas: yeah, you get what i mean though :)
[08:35] <Seveas> dammit, I forgot the name of 17.10
[08:36] <Ben64> azure astrailophicus
[08:36] <Ben64> oh i spelled that horribly
[08:36] <Seveas> Australopethicus isn't an animal :)
[08:36] <ducasse> 'artful aardvaek'
[08:36] <Seveas> ok, I phrased that horribly
[08:37] <ducasse> *aardvark'
[08:37] <CyberTex> !Restart Chat
[08:37] <Seveas> Australopethicus is of course in the kingdom animalia, but it's a hominid and it looks like sabdfl has avoided using hominids in his naming scheme
[08:37] <Seveas> !info wpasupplicant artful
[08:37] <Seveas> hmm, even that doesn't have 2.5 yet
[08:37] <ducasse> Seveas: already checked that
[08:39] <Ben64> I'm more interested in 18.04's name though. should evoke reliability
[08:39] <CyberTex> Hey guys , I'm trying to fix my peap problem and I came across this solution https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1578589 . But when I do "sudo wpa_supplicant -B -iwlp3s0 -c ~/scowlan.conf" I get "Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant ctrl_iface exists and seems to be in use - cannot override it Delete '/var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0' manually if it is not used anymore Failed to initialize control interfac
[08:39] <CyberTex> "Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant ctrl_iface exists and seems to be in use - cannot override it Delete '/var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0' manually if it is not used anymore Failed to initialize control interface 'DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=root'. You may have another wpa_supplicant process already running or the file was left by an unclean termination of wpa_supplicant in which case you will need to manually remove this f
[08:39] <Seveas> CyberTex: safest way to try to upgrade is to grab the 2.5 tarball and the ubuntu packaging and build a new Ubuntu package. That way you can easily upgrade/downgrade
[08:40] <ducasse> which was also suggested.
[08:40] <CyberTex> Seveas: Thank you , but I would love to try this workaround first since 2.6 or 2.6 is not official yet
[08:41] <CyberTex> 2.5*
[08:45] <ducasse> CyberTex: if this is a local machine the risk in stopping network manager is pretty small, just backup any config files you might need to change.
[08:46] <ikonia> I can't grasp why there is any risk at all
[08:46] <ikonia> it's a local desktop - it's a couple line change in the config
[08:46] <Seveas> CyberTex: which ubuntu version are you on?
[08:46] <ikonia> but thats a risk but swapping out an unpackaged core networking program to a development version is fine
[08:46] <NIcoRookie> i want to watch debian package installed in my system
[08:46] <NIcoRookie> what should i do?
[08:47] <CyberTex> Seveas: 17.04 budgie flavoured :)
[08:47] <ikonia> NIcoRookie: want to "watch" ?
[08:47] <frankspanks> CyberTex, im really impressed with budgie
[08:47] <Seveas> NIcoRookie: depends on what you mean with 'watch debian package'
[08:47] <Seveas> NIcoRookie: dpkg -l will list them all for instance, if that's what you want
[08:48] <NIcoRookie> list packege name
[08:48] <ikonia> Seveas is your man then NIcoRookie
[08:48] <CyberTex> frankspanks: It's a real beauty
[08:48] <CyberTex> <3
[08:48] <NIcoRookie> ok .thank
[08:49] <frankspanks> CyberTex, used kubuntu for a year or two but its just a hot mess really, bewildering amount of options
[08:49] <frankspanks> CyberTex, budgie was a breath of fresh air for me
[08:51] <CyberTex> ducasse: Since I'll be losing connection can't I give my NetworkManager the mac address and add the wireless card to the ignore device list and restart it ? I whole heartedly appreciated your patience :)
[08:52] <NIcoRookie> i am Chinese，maybe my English was not specifically or correct
[08:52] <NIcoRookie> 有人听得懂我说什么吗
[08:53] <krishg> everyone Hiii
[08:53] <NIcoRookie> :-D
[08:53] <Seveas> CyberTex: hm, looking at http://w1.fi/releases.html, 2.5 and 2.6 have been out for a while. Odd that they haven't been packaged yet
[08:53] <krishg> I'm new to ubuntu
[08:53] <krishg> ...and irc
[08:53] <NIcoRookie> ubuntu lack duocument
[08:54] <ducasse> CyberTex: 1) backup config file 2) stop network manager 3) edit config 4) restart network manager - if it doesn't work just restore the old config
[08:54] <Seveas> NIcoRookie: does 'dpkg -l' not provide the info you need?
[08:54] <NIcoRookie> i supplied debian doc
[08:54] <Seveas> hi krishg, welcome to the dark side :)
[08:54] <NIcoRookie> yes
[08:54] <krishg> thanks
[08:55] <krishg> I'm gonna start on backtrack
[08:55] <NIcoRookie> it provide info i need
[08:55] <ducasse> NIcoRookie: there's a huuuge amount of docs for ubuntu
[08:55] <CyberTex> Seveas: You tell me. It must be a real problem or just not a lot of enterprise are using peap without phase2 nor a  cert
[08:55] <NIcoRookie> i heard TB was out of date
[08:55] <Seveas> CyberTex: peap without phase2 is definitely rare. Haven't ever seen it in fact
[08:55] <NIcoRookie> BT
[08:55] <krishg> yeah
[08:55] <Seveas> (then again, I've not seen that many enterprise networks)
[08:55] <NIcoRookie> BackTrack5
[08:55] <krishg> R3
[08:55] <ikonia> backtrack 5 is dead
[08:55] <ducasse> krishg: we don't support backtrack here
[08:56] <ikonia> backtrack is dead full stop
[08:56] <NIcoRookie> BT has been replace in Kali Linux
[08:56] <krishg> Well Kali doesn't run on my 'old' system because of GNOME 3
[08:56] <ikonia> both are offtopic here
[08:56] <krishg> So I run backtrack
[08:57] <krishg> Well, It is still based on Ubuntu 10.x
[08:57] <ducasse> krishg: it's still offtopic
[08:57] <pynki> well, you might want to take that discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:57] <krishg> Agred
[08:57] <krishg> *Agreed
[08:57] <Ben64> only official ubuntu flavors are supported here, and ubuntu 10.x is no longer supported either
[08:58] <CyberTex> ducasse:  Loud and clear Thanks. C'yall on the other side.
[08:58] <krishg> How about what I'm running right now
[08:58] <krishg> 14. something
[08:58] <pynki> !topic | pynki
[08:59] <krishg> I think it is called trusty tahr
[08:59] <krishg> Really sorry everyone
[08:59] <krishg> new to this
[08:59] <ikonia> thats puppy
[08:59] <pynki> how to post the channel entry topic to someone else? :o
[08:59] <ikonia> oops, no it's not
[08:59] <ikonia> sorry
[09:00] <krishg> But I find Ubuntu faster than Windows though
[09:00] <pynki> krishg,  versions 14.04, 16.04, 16.10, 17.04
[09:00] <ikonia> they can type "/topic #ubuntu" in their client
[09:00] <pynki> these versions are under support
[09:00] <ikonia> or you can cut and paste it
[09:00] <CyberTex> Seveas:  In my android device it says Phase2 authentication : None , Certificate: (unspecified) . So I guess that's their setup :p
[09:00] <zetheroo> Trusty is 14.04
[09:00] <krishg> pynki: I'm on 14.04
[09:00] <zetheroo> ^
[09:00] <lasdam> anyone having problems with 17.04? any recommendations on downgrading or reinstalling to 16 LTS? with 17 I first had multiple issues with dns, and 10 minutes ago my system practically froze up (usb keyboard stopped working, couldn't shut computer off, shift, alt, ctrl didn't work, caps lock was in reverse (lights on when caps off), etc
[09:01] <krishg> Hey guys
[09:01] <NIcoRookie> my Skype account ：qq474846718@hotmail.com,welcome everyone to be my friend！
[09:01] <pynki> lasdam, reinstall 1604
[09:01] <krishg> Is .04 and .10 months?
[09:01] <pynki> krishg, yes
[09:01] <tarzeau> krishg: yes
[09:01] <Seveas> lasdam: downgrading is definitely not a recommended or supported procedure (it can be done, but you need to know what you're doing very well, and reinstalling is easier anyway)
[09:01] <krishg> Frickin awesome
[09:02] <krishg> They taught us windows in school
[09:02] <santhust_> Ubuntu 16.04 auto downloads in background. How to stop it?
[09:02] <NIcoRookie> people does not use Skype in China
[09:02] <krishg> NIcoRookie: really?
[09:02] <Seveas> santhust_: what does it auto-download?
[09:03] <pynki> NIcoRookie, thats not true.
[09:03] <pynki> using skype every day here...
[09:03] <krishg> Guys is there a way to install BackTrack tools on to my Ubuntu?
[09:03] <krishg> please
[09:03] <NIcoRookie> at least， people around me they don‘t use
[09:04] <NIcoRookie> they use QQ
[09:04] <santhust_> Seveas: I have not been able to figure out what it downloads. Using etherape ( a network monitor client) I saw some of the server domain names are like: cdce.sin002.internap.com, chillipepper.canonical.com, sadalbari.canonical.com. Any idea?
[09:04] <pynki> krishg, just install whatever you need
[09:04] <ducasse> !chat | NIcoRookie
[09:04] <lasdam> pynki: thanks
[09:05] <krishg> ubottu: Yo who are you?
[09:05] <krishg> ubottu: awesome
[09:05] <Seveas> santhust_: sounds like the normal automatic updating of packages
[09:05] <lasdam> is there supposed to be (loads of) binary data in my syslog? is it telling of anything?
[09:05] <krishg> ubottu: You are intelligent my friend
[09:06] <krishg> Why does the bot keep telling himself that?
[09:06] <NIcoRookie> qq474846718@hotmail.com,welcome everyone to be my friend！i will login to check how many friend add me ，sooner
[09:06] <Seveas> krishg: because I told him to.
[09:06] <krishg> Who are you?
 the issue is: I am on a limited data mobile internet connection. I find it difficult to afford it!
[09:07] <Seveas> NIcoRookie: krishg: please do keep in mind that this channel is for ubuntu support questions only. For other chatter, please go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:07] <krishg> santhust_: You're Indian aren't you?
[09:07] <ducasse> krishg: it says that because you keep talking to it
[09:07] <ducasse> krishg: this is actually a support channel, not for chat. if you just want chat, please use #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:07] <NIcoRookie> yes sir!
[09:07] <santhust_> krishg: yes!
[09:07] <NIcoRookie> :-D
[09:07] <krishg> santhust_: me too
[09:08] <santhust_> krishg: great!
[09:08] <krishg> Seveas: Do I get banned or something for violating that
[09:08] <Seveas> santhust_: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic is your friend
[09:08] <ducasse> krishg: yes
[09:09] <Seveas> krishg: not easily, but we do appreciate it if you stick to the few rules we have
[09:09] <CIclops> Hi ... trying to install 16.04.2 using live USB / something else option - gives this error "No root file system is defined"  It has an empty 30GB formatted partition ..
[09:09] <krishg> ducasse: Tell me some other hashes where i can chatter
[09:09] <ducasse> !chat | krishg
[09:09] <krishg> K
[09:09] <NIcoRookie> i had keep working,i am in office of company right now。
[09:10] <pynki> CIclops, you told the installer that that partition shoudl be used as /
[09:10] <NIcoRookie> i will watch back
[09:10] <Seveas> santhust_: also, this completely disables the auto-updates: sudo systemctl disable apt-daily.timer
[09:10] <santhust_> seveas: I have changed the update numeral in it to 0. This did not stop the said behaviour!
[09:10] <CIclops> pynki, yes I selected it
[09:11] <santhust_> seveas: I had also completely stopped auto updates from the synaptic package manager. That help not!
[09:11] <Seveas> santhust_: try the systemctl trick above.
[09:11] <pynki> santhust_, you can trap the domains to localhost if nothing works
[09:12] <ducasse> santhust_: do you actually have a good reason for disabling the automatic updates?
[09:12] <pynki> mobile internat ducasse
[09:12] <pynki> internet
[09:12] <ducasse> ah.
[09:12] <santhust_> @pynki : I do not know traping domains... :-|
[09:13] <pynki> echo "127.0.0.1 the.domain.totrap" >> /etc/hosts
[09:13] <pynki> but thats an ugly fix for the actual problem
[09:14] <pynki> like last option you shoudl use
[09:14] <ducasse> pynki: what when he does need to run an update/install something?
[09:14] <santhust_> ducasse: Just that I am on a limited data paid internet connection. And I want to do this upadates only when I want to, even if manually. This eats 100 MB or more data in one cycle, and happens once or twoice a week!
[09:15] <CyberTex> ducasse:  it works ^_^ Any recommedation integrate that solution into netwrk manager?
[09:15] <santhust_> seveas: Ok. I did the systemctl thing. How would I check if some thing happened. In case I want to that update manually, what would I need to do?
[09:16] <CyberTex> recommedation to *
[09:16] <ducasse> CyberTex: if you've changed the config you shouldn't need to do it again?
[09:16] <Seveas> santhust_: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:16] <CyberTex> *NetworkManager
[09:16] <pynki> ducasse, you are totally right! its not the way to go if another solution is working.
[09:17] <CIclops> pynk, the installer detects another ubuntu installation, if i select install alongside it does not offer the empty partition
[09:17] <santhust_> pynki : There are a number of domains... what I listed were only a few I have noted.
[09:17] <santhust_> seveas: ok.
[09:18] <ducasse> santhust_: trapping the domains would not be a good way for you to go, it will only give you problems.
[09:18] <santhust_> seveas: By the way, what does this behaviour do? I have happened to notice it only after upgradation to Ubuntu 16.04.
[09:18] <pynki> santhust_, its better to find out what is contacting the domains! not just block the access to them - if nothing else works, no one can help you - see it as the  "pull the cable" option for just these domains before you need to sell your house ;)
[09:19] <ducasse> santhust_: just remove tha package unatennded-upgrades, then it will just update the package lists. if you've disabled the apt timer it won't do that either.
[09:19] <CyberTex> ducasse:  good. Because the wifi status wasn't shown. The network manager states "device not connected" ( obviously :P) . So I'll always be connected if that network  is availabe? can't I show it in  NetworkManager?
[09:20] <ducasse> *unattended-upgrades
[09:20] <santhust_> ducasse: ok. I will try that. apt-get update and ..upgrade will work after that?
[09:21] <ducasse> CyberTex: i don't use network manager, so i have no idea
[09:21] <ducasse> santhust_: yes
[09:21] <santhust_> seveas: is it apt-get dist-upgrade or simply apt-get upgrade?
[09:21] <CyberTex> ducasse:  What?? Wow what do you use then ? I could use that
[09:22] <ducasse> CyberTex: manual configuration in /etc/network/interfaces
[09:22] <CyberTex> ducasse: ugh , maybe not.... . Thanks a lot tho. You and the guys ahve been a great help
[09:22] <Seveas> santhust_: dist-upgrade
[09:23] <ducasse> CyberTex: for wifi you are probably better off with nm, i try to avoid both :) and you're welcome
[09:23] <santhust_> seveas: would that do distribution upgrade? sorry my knowledge is not good.
[09:24] <ducasse> santhust_: no, that is done by do-release-upgrade
[09:24] <Seveas> santhust_: dist-upgramed is a badly named thing. It definitely does not upgrade the entire distro. But it's needed for e.g. kernel updates
[09:25] <santhust_> Seveas: Ok. Thanks :)
[09:25] <santhust_> ducasse: thanks :)
[09:26] <ducasse> santhust_: dist-upgrade is used for distribution upgrades on debian, not ubuntu. the name was just inherited.
[09:27] <santhust_> ducasse: Hmm.. And it works on Ubuntu also?
[09:27] <ducasse> santhust_: it fills a different function
[09:29] <santhust_> ducasse: Ok. Any command to just do the security updates, and while keeping rest the same version of other installed packages? (it seems upgrade or dist-upgrade will update all packages to the newest version.. read from internet.)
[09:30] <ducasse> santhust_: not a separate command, no
[09:31] <santhust_> ducasse: ok. Will manually running the update manager do the same. There I can choose what type of updates are implemented.
[09:32] <ducasse> santhust_: unattended-upgrades does that by default, though.
[09:32] <ducasse> santhust_: not if you remove unattended-upgrades
[09:33] <santhust_> ducasse: but that does it unattended... ;)
[09:33] <ducasse> santhust_: you want to do things with as much difficulty as possible, it seems
[09:35] <santhust_> ducasse: Ah no! Sorry! I just wanted to have a control on when I wanted the updates to be implemented, and letting it not to eat up in my limited amout of internet data.
[09:35] <santhust_> ducasse: I am thinking of this: do the systemctl disable apt-daily.timer trick. Then run update manager manually. Does that sound ok?
[09:36] <ducasse> santhust_: can't you just do this in the gui?
[09:36] <ducasse> santhust_: 'automatically check for updates' - 'never'?
[09:37] <santhust_> ducasse: Thats the thing! I could not do this in the gui!  (I mean update manager or synaptic package manager) Even after completely turning off the updates!!
[09:37] <santhust_> ducasse: even turning off the security updates!!
[09:38] <santhust_> ducasse: It did not work!! ( 'automatically check for updates' - 'never')
[09:39] <santhust_> ducasse: I never came across this prior to Ubuntu 16.04. (Might also be I never noticed it has been there.)
[09:40] <ducasse> santhust_: any other way of doing this is going to be complicated.
[09:42] <santhust_> ducasse: Ok. I have done systemctl thing. Will see for some time if the behaviour has stopped (a week or two). If the behaviour does not resurface, then it should be fine. Will try updating from GUI then. Does that sound ok for the moment?
[09:42] <ducasse> santhust_: you might also need to remove unattended-upgrades. note that i say 'might'.
[09:43] <santhust_> ducasse: OK. I will try this permutation as well :)
[09:43] <ducasse> but delaying security patches by even a day is a horrible idea.
[09:43] <santhust_> ducasse: Oh!!
[09:45] <santhust_> ducasse: but sometimes I am doing something important on the internet, and this update starts to happen, decreasing the bandwidth for the other important task I am at! Is there a way to stop this task while it is ongoing, and resume later?
[09:46] <ducasse> santhust_: i suspect your system might be doing something other than updates here if the gui settings don't work, it should simply prompt you.
[09:48] <santhust_> ducasse: sometimes even I suspect, but I could not undestand. Only thing that seems to comfort is that the domain names seems to be something from canonical. Otherwise it would be petrifying.
[09:49] <santhust_> ducasse: the Ubuntu 14.04 or earlier versions used to prompt when there was some update. I have not seen this behaviour here in Ubuntu 16.04.
[09:53] <santhust_> ducasse: Thanks :)
[09:53] <santhust_> seveas: Thanks :)
[09:54] <santhust_> pynkii: thanks :)
[10:10] <gpadmin> hay
[10:25] <deemo> hello
[10:28] <oerheks> hi deemo
[10:29] <deemo> How do I get wayland gnome?
[10:29] <deemo> with a terminal
[10:29] <deemo> hello
[10:32] <ducasse> deemo: install gnome-session-wayland
[10:33] <oerheks> deemo, 17.04 gives a wayland session, experimental, at login ??
[10:33] <yeeve> hey chat, I can't seem to 'apt upgrade spotify-client' to get the latest version from here: https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/spotify (It seems there is a 1.0.49.125 and I'm currently on 1.0.37.152 but apt is telling me spotify-client is already the newest version (1:1.0.37.152.gc83ea995-42).)
[10:35] <bazhang> yeeve, ask PPA maintainer for help
[10:35] <bazhang> yeeve, PPA are their domain
[10:36] <yeeve> bazhang, I'm not too familiar with PPA, where would I find the/a maintainer?
[10:37] <bazhang> yeeve, is that from a webupd8 PPA
[10:38] <bazhang> https://www.ubuntuupdates.org <---them yeeve
[10:38] <yeeve> Oh I see, so try contact someone @ ubuntuupdates.org, I'll try do that, thanks bazhang
[10:52] <daksha> what is wrong in following command(i am a newbie) : $d='guest [admin]' . i am getting the error : -bash:Listing: command not found .
[10:53] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:58] <hargut> daksha: define a variable with d= only
[11:01] <daksha> hargut : thanks
[11:10] <sirru5h> Howdy everyone
[11:19] <pi_> hello guys)
[11:30] <funabashi> A general linux question. ist possible to see more info about a process ? i want to see all stuff which iss possible
[11:31] <oerheks> see top, or better install htop, more detailed process manager
[11:42] <lasdam> I have to ask one more question before I uninstall ubuntu 17 with way too many bugs... right now, and this has happened multiple times after I installed ubuntu 17, not prior, firefox is using 100% cpu of one core and can't be killed even with sudo kill -9 firefox_pid.. how is this even possible? (I tried googling it using links2, didn't find any clear answers)
[11:44] <lasdam> update: can't run 'pgrep' anymore either, and 'ps aux' freezes right before trying to display firefox (pid 1900) - it's frozen at pid 1882... what could be causing this? kernel bugs?
[11:44] <pynkii> plugins, lasdam ?
[11:45] <lasdam> noscript and cookie controller. never caused my any trouble in the past. ubuntu 17 also seem to be crawling with bugs..
[11:46] <axhm3a> lasdam: sound gpu related to me
[11:47] <pynkii> lasdam, firefox always made trouble for me, i only use it for downthemall - for everything else i use chromium now
[11:47] <lasdam> well, firefox works, most of the time. it just randomly freezes, consumes 100% cpu and can't be killed after I installed ubuntu 17
[11:47] <lasdam> axhm3a: could it still be gpu related?
[11:48] <Ben64> yes
[11:50] <lasdam> Ben64, axhm3a: ok, thanks. I'll look into it
[11:51] <Dreaman> http://prikachi.com/images.php?images/220/9123220v.png   lasdam
[11:51] <Dreaman> install restricted extras
[12:11] <lasdam> hmm, so I have an integrated intel hd 3000 gpu, and there's no drivers for this available. but I've been running debian on this pc for years and never had any issues with processes that won't get killed and all of this
[12:12] <akik_> lasdam: the drivers for it are included in the kernel
[12:14] <akik_> lasdam: i have an arrandale architecture i3 which uses i915 module
[12:16] <glachas> can nvidia drivers be installed in integrated Graphics controller?
[12:17] <lasdam> akik_: ok. I'm not sure where to go from here then, though. not sure if I wanna try ubuntu 16 if nobody thinks 17 is to blame for these problems
[12:17] <glachas> ubuntu version- 16.04 lts
[12:18] <oerheks> lasdam, maybe it is the page you visited with firefox causing this trouble
[12:18] <oerheks> glachas, depends on what integrated Nvidia
[12:18] <oerheks> old 9200 no
[12:19] <glachas> oerheks: I think its of intel
[12:19] <glachas> not of nvidia
[12:20] <oerheks> glachas, so you ask for nvidia drivers for intel ??
[12:20] <oerheks> omg
[12:20] <lasdam> oerheks: it's been different pages on the different occasions, and I've never had this issue before. firefox has hung before, even used 100% cpu, but I could always kill it. just a few hours ago I had other crazy problems too: the usb keyboard stopped working (replug not working: lights frozen), caps lock lights reversed, shift, ctrl, and alt not working on laptop keyboard, couldn't shut computer off.... and firefox wasn't even frozen
[12:21] <oerheks> lasdam, oke, random, then i would suggest to do a memtest86 run to check memory
[12:21] <glachas> oerheks: -_-
[12:21] <lasdam> oh, also my internet disconnected at the same time too
[12:21] <oerheks> .. of 1 bit tumbles...
[12:21] <oerheks> c/if
[12:24] <lasdam> I mean, all of this has happened after I went from Debian to Ubuntu 17 just a few days ago, but sure, I'll give it a go. could be a coincidence
[12:25] <akik_> lasdam: have you tried other desktop environments?
[12:28] <akik_> oh he left. those problems would indicate something wrong with the machine
[12:29] <oerheks> akik_, that was my thought too, randomly crashes.
[12:29] <oerheks> to exclude memory failure, memtest would be a good step
[12:31] <glachas> I am trying to install vsfm but by following procedure http://ccwu.me/vsfm/install.html , I am getting error which I pastebinned here http://paste.ubuntu.com/24592470/
[12:31] <glachas> I am getting the error while running make
[12:32] <m1m1r> does anybody have a hashsum error while updateing the packages passwd and login?
[12:32] <m1m1r> with apt-get
[12:35] <oerheks> glachas, are you building on 14.04 or on a later ubuntu with systemd? as the source is from 2015, i think that can be an issue
[12:36] <oerheks> and that tutorial/install wants the nvidia blob from their site, unsupported.
[12:36] <glachas> oerheks: no I am using Ubuntu 16.04
[12:37] <glachas> I have intel graphics card
[12:37] <ouroumov> m1m1r, I don't. Maybe your mirror is corrupted?
[12:37] <oerheks> well, there you go, contact the author to provide an updates package with instructions for systemd
[12:37] <oerheks> systemd is a huge step forward
[12:38] <m1m1r> ouroumov I think so... damm
[12:38] <ouroumov> m1m1r, maybe switch your download location
[12:38] <ouroumov> m1m1r, you can choose to use the main mirror in your Software & Update settings
[12:39] <m1m1r> thx, I will do that
[12:51] <huggybear404>  I enabled desktop sharing and installed vnc viewer, when i try connect using correct ip I just get cannot connect using this encryption, how to fix this ? I tried all options I can find
[12:55] <ouroumov> huggybear404, what makes you think Encryption is the problem?
[12:59] <huggybear404> I didnt say that, its the error msg, it seems to not try to connect at all, i see no reaction on server
[12:59] <huggybear404> I find no setting for encryption on server
[13:00] <ouroumov> huggybear404, what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[13:01] <huggybear404> 17.04
[13:01] <huggybear404> im getting ping reply
[13:01] <huggybear404> vnc viewer 6.1.0
[13:01] <huggybear404> could it be a version conflict ?
[13:02] <Ben64> so the server is ubuntu, what is the client
[13:02] <huggybear404> windows xp 32 bit
[13:02] <Ben64> hahaha wow, stop using that
[13:03] <Hello> HELLO
[13:04] <ouroumov> huggybear404, please tell me what the following command says: apt-cache policy dnsmasq-base
[13:04] <hexchat3D> o
[13:05] <hexchat3D> that is not right
[13:05] <greena> hi
[13:05] <greena> hello
[13:05] <Hello> hey guys
[13:05] <hexchat3D> BOOOOOOOOO
[13:05] <Ben64> greena, hexchat3D, Hello: please don't use this channel to chat
[13:05] <hexchat3D> NO
[13:05] <Hello> BEN64 GO AWAY
[13:05] <greena> is max here
[13:06] <hexchat3D> afsl;dkfj
[13:06] <Ben64> well that solves that
[13:08] <huggybear404> ou installed: none . candidate 2.76-5 version table 2.76-5 500  500  http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty/main amd64 Packages
[13:10] <oerheks> huggybear404, xp is the problem
[13:10] <oerheks> lolz
[13:11] <huggybear404> why ? I used it before with vnc
[13:11] <Ben64> it's ancient and unsupported
[13:12] <oerheks> xp is not worth a google search
[13:13] <ouroumov> huggybear404, please install the dnsmasq-base package and stop listening to oerheks.
[13:14] <lasdam> oerheks: nope
[13:14] <oerheks> lasdam, so no memory failure, it was well worth the try
[13:15] <lasdam> oh sure
[13:21] <huggybear404> made no change, would dns matter when I use direct ip ? Im getting no pw prompt
[13:22] <ouroumov> huggybear404, oh right. I read "Connection sharing" instead of "Desktop sharing" for some reason
[13:23] <ouroumov> huggybear404, you installed vino? I'm not sure it's installed by default in 17.04.
[13:24] <Ben64> the problem isn't ubuntu
[13:24] <Ben64> the problem is windows xp, which lost support over 3 years ago and shouldn't be used by anyone
[13:24] <huggybear404> vino is installed
[13:30] <zetheroo> So I have been trying to install Ubuntu 16.04 Server on a system with two identical HDD's in it. I want to setup softraid 1 but grub fails to install every time no matter how I have tried to do the partitioning - which includes following the official documentation https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/advanced-installation.html
[13:31] <cfhowlett> !raid | zetheroo you might also ask #ubuntu-server
[13:31] <zetheroo> ok
[13:31] <zetheroo> will do
[13:32] <leftyfb> zetheroo: you install grub to the individual drives, not any RAID volumes. Install it to both drives
[13:33] <zetheroo> leftyfb: yep, and it fails
[13:33] <leftyfb> zetheroo: with what error? Did you try the using the command-line to install it?
[13:39] <andrew_> hello
[13:40] <zetheroo> leftyfb: point is that I should not have to do anything other than go through the installation process. Anyhow going to see if UEFI is the problem here.
[13:42] <mirak> hi
[13:43] <mirak> ubuntu installer fails when we say we don't want to install grub
[13:43] <mirak> but i want grub but not the bootsector installation
[13:43] <mirak> so I use the command
[13:43] <mirak> grub-install --no-bootsector /dev/null
[13:43] <Dreaman> grub-update
[13:44] <mirak> that's because I use "root=(lvm/portable-zapus); multiboot /boot/grub/i386-pc/core.img"
[13:44] <mirak> Dreaman, no, this have nothing to do with that
[13:45] <leftyfb> mirak: why the custom environment?
[13:45] <mirak> I use a first grub that will boot on different /boot/grub/i386-pc/core.img
[13:45] <Dreaman> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24592806/  mirak
[13:45] <mirak> leftyfb, because that's the best for handling multiboot
[13:45] <Dreaman> see
[13:45] <Dreaman> my
[13:46] <mirak> at least with lvm
[13:46] <Dreaman> system
[13:46] <mirak> because with lvm you can't embed a bootloader in a lvm logical volume
[13:46] <Dreaman> ok
[13:46] <mirak> wich you can do on a primary msdos or a gpt partition
[13:47] <Dreaman> i 2 hdd and /boot part swap and root
[13:47] <Dreaman> work for me
[13:47] <leftyfb> mirak: so why no t create a /boot outside of the lvm ?
[13:47] <mirak> leftyfb, because you don't need to
[13:48] <mirak> I have a lvm logical volume with only grub on it. a kind of /boot/ without kernels
[13:48] <leftyfb> mirak: I guess not, but it's a lot less work than what you're trying to accomplish with basically no advantage
[13:49] <mirak> then I have just a grub.cfg with several entries, that will do what i pasted above, to load the grub core.img of the /boot/ of each OS
[13:49] <mirak> leftyfb, no it's not
[13:50] <mirak> it's not because if you share on /boot/ for all os, then you can be in case where the grub versions are incompatible
[13:51] <mirak> with my technique, each os is independent, and manage it's own grub.cfg,
[13:52] <mirak> really the only thing is to do a grub-install on a special partition for grub, and use the multiboot option of grub
[13:53] <pynkii> thats like buying 4 cars for 4 people so everyone can drive while the goal is to get to location x
[13:53] <mirak> the installer kind of fails in the end, but it's easy to fix, owever, I think it should really allow to not install a bootsector for grub, but just the binaries
[13:54] <mirak> pynkii, you miss the point, because it's more 4 cars used by one person to reach whetever destination
[13:54] <pynkii> how many car can that guy drive? ;)
[13:55] <mirak> pynkii, I tried various things and it's the most efficient.
[13:55] <mirak> also what is nice, is that with grml, you can use this multiboot partition to store isos that will be booted by grml
[13:56] <mirak> but well, if that's fine for you
[14:05] <gear4> hey guys
[14:05] <gear4> can I ask questions about WSL here ? or is there another channel ?
[14:05] <gear4> it's regarding inotifywait
[14:06] <Ben64> !ubuwin | gear4
[14:08] <gear4> Ben64: thanks!
[14:09] <jan__> any friends?
[14:09] <gear4> I got none :(
[14:09] <mas886> No
[14:09]  * pynkii wannacry
[14:10] <gear4> I cri evri nite
[14:10] <pynkii> thats offtopic because its widows related!
[14:10] <gear4> :P
[14:26] <glachas> Error: "The requested URL /~ccwu/siftgpu/download.html was not found on this server. and Apache/2.2.15 (Red Hat) Server at cs.unc.edu Port 80".  what can be the reason for this error
[14:27] <glachas> How to get rid of this
[14:28] <meesum> hello
[14:28] <meesum> new to ubuntu here
[14:29] <pynkii> glachas, whats the full URL?
[14:29] <cfhowlett> meesum, welcome.  ask your questions
[14:29] <genii> glachas: Most likely the username "ccwu" was removed
[14:30] <glachas> pynkii: http://cs.unc.edu/~ccwu/siftgpu/download.html
[14:31] <Pici> glachas: What do you want us to do about that?
[14:31] <pynkii> glachas, what genii said. the url does simply do not exist
[14:32] <rud0lf> pynkii: http://web.archive.org/http://cs.unc.edu/~ccwu/siftgpu/download.html
[14:32] <genii> glachas: It's not even finding the ~ccwu directory. So either, as I said, user was removed. .. or, the apache mod which redirects to files in user's home directories is not working
[14:32] <pynkii> if you control the server then the apache support is the right place to ask for help
[14:32] <rud0lf> if you really need this
[14:32] <rud0lf> sorry, glachas i meant
[14:33] <glachas> Pici: I just wanted to know that whether there is any problem with my pc
[14:33] <Pici> glachas: No, that website just doesn't exist anymore.
[14:33] <Felishia> how to remove and kill the freaking default ubuntu audio player without having to restart my machine?
[14:33] <ioria> glachas, this is the cache, if you want : http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:86FFjOksftUJ:www.cs.unc.edu/~ccwu/siftgpu/old/%3FC%3DM%3BO%3DA+&cd=1&hl=it&ct=clnk&gl=it&client=ubuntu
[14:34] <Felishia> you can't close it
[14:34] <pynkii> rud0lfs link will give you the file or have a look here https://github.com/mrquincle/visualsfm/tree/master/SiftGPU
[14:34] <Felishia> it just stays in tray
[14:34] <aotaointbin> what is the default ubuntu audio player?
[14:34] <aotaointbin> pulseaudio?
[14:34] <Felishia> no
[14:34] <Felishia> rythmbox something
[14:34] <Felishia> I can't make it stopå
[14:34] <Felishia> it just won't until I restart my pc
[14:34] <aotaointbin> ps aux | grep rhythmbox
[14:35] <aotaointbin> kill -9 $rhythmbox_pid
[14:35] <rud0lf> open it and select File -> Exit
[14:36] <Felishia> yes I did that it finally worked I was writing the name wrong
[14:36] <Felishia> that is the worst musical player ever
[14:36] <Felishia> why would someone ever install that in the OS?
[14:37] <aotaointbin> many users like rhythmbox.
[14:37] <pynkii> it can handle ipod nanos!
[14:38] <Felishia> aotaointbin, except that you can't close it
[14:39] <oerheks> i like clementine, can handle large music collections fast and has a build-in equaliser
[14:41] <glachas> ioria: what you have suggested, for all them getting the same result as I mentioned above
[14:41] <pynkii> Felishia, ctrl+Q should close rythmbox
[14:41] <ioria> glachas, you can't open the link ?
[14:42] <glachas> ioria: same msg 404 not found
[14:42] <pynkii> Felishia, https://askubuntu.com/questions/454177/is-there-a-plugin-for-rhythmbox-to-exit-on-close have a look here if you wanna close it with the X button
[14:44] <GrandPa-G> I am trying to get php to access a MS access database through odbc. phpinfo doesn't show pdo support. Where do I start?
[14:44] <pynkii> !info rhythmbox-client | Felishia
[14:44] <pynkii> :o
[14:45] <Liseme> where is the dmesg log stored?
[14:45] <Dreaman> Felishia use audacious
[14:45] <leftyfb> Liseme: you can look in /var/log/kern.log
[14:46] <oerheks> Liseme, journalctl -k , https://askubuntu.com/questions/859816/where-did-the-functionality-of-var-log-dmesg-go-in-xenial-16-04
[14:47] <oerheks> leftyfb +1   -k = kernlog
[14:48] <pynkii> taht shows different output than dmesg
[14:48] <Liseme> how so, pynkii
[14:57] <aminorex> 16.04 post update, dell xps 13 9360, disabled safe boot, still no wifi ??
[14:57] <aminorex> happened with updates run yesterday
[14:57] <aminorex> using old kernel doesn't help
[14:58] <compdoc> seems a common problem
[14:58] <aminorex> yeah.  but i haven't found the solution yet
[14:58] <aminorex> still fishing
[14:59] <compdoc> you ever check if the file for networking exists in /etc/udev/rules.d  ?
[15:00] <Liseme> aminorex: did you have wifi prior to the update
[15:03] <aminorex> yes i did have wifi previously.  i no not have 70-persistent-net.rules.  working on that now, thanks
[15:03] <compdoc> aminorex, its not used anymore, so should not contain a definition inside the file
[15:04] <compdoc> but if it helps...
[15:06] <aminorex> right now i am thinking i should just build my own kernel, have better luck
[15:06] <aminorex> udev and systemd are a morass i don't want to get into
[15:07] <aminorex> another problem with 4.4.0-78 is that usb keyboard events are lagging by about a second
[15:08] <leftyfb> aminorex: I'm running the same laptop
[15:08] <leftyfb> aminorex: no lag here
[15:08] <leftyfb> and wifi is currently my only internet connection
[15:09] <leftyfb> aminorex: I am running the linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 kernel which is 4.8, but the stock one worked as well
[15:09] <leftyfb> aminorex: also, maybe try installing gnome-flashback and gnome-panel and login using gnome flashback
[15:10] <compdoc> build your own kernel will make things simple? heh, good luck with that
[15:10] <leftyfb> aminorex: also, a coworker has the same laptop and installed from the ubuntu gnome installer and he loves it and everything just worked
[15:10] <cfhowlett> the key might be the clean installation
[15:10] <aminorex> yeah, it all just worked for me too, until yesterday.
[15:11] <cfhowlett> so what happened yesterday?  upgrades??
[15:11] <aminorex> i may try a clean one, but not sure what packages need to be pinned yet
[15:11] <aminorex> yeah
[15:11] <aminorex> kernel updated
[15:11] <cfhowlett> boom, there it is.  reboot to the earlier kernel.
[15:12] <leftyfb> aminorex: Try linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04
[15:12] <pynkii>  boom, read what he wrote before
[15:12] <aminorex> booting 4.4.0-76 gets back the keyboard but not the wifi.  the wifi is lost no matter how far back i go
[15:12] <Menzador> What's your wireless hardware?
[15:13] <leftyfb> Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac
[15:14] <Menzador> (Ooh! A Wireless-AC card!)
[15:17] <aminorex> correct
[15:17] <Menzador> Which Atheros driver pertains to it? Do we know?
[15:19] <aminorex> ath10k_pci
[15:20] <aminorex> actually i am in gnome-flashback
[15:27] <Flofly13> hi to all
[15:29] <pynkii> aloha
[15:29] <foxly> hello!
[15:37] <cstolan> a few days ago I installed 17.04 but wasn't able to get my wi-fi to connect. this seems to be an issue/bug for others too...does anyone know if there is a fix for it?
[15:37] <davidj> @cstolan That's going to vary per device / drivers. Which wifi model do you have?
[15:38] <Felishia> I'm back
[15:38] <cstolan> @davidj I really don't know...how can I get that info?
[15:40] <davidj> @cstolan `lspci -vnn|grep -i net` should give you a hint (via command prompt)
[15:40] <davidj> https://superuser.com/questions/760449/how-can-i-find-the-usb-wireless-adapter-into-the-dmesg-log-file
[15:42] <cstolan> @davidj 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 15)
[15:42] <cstolan> 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [103c:80dd]
[15:42] <cstolan> 05:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 [8086:095a] (rev 61)
[15:44] <cstolan> so it's an Intel Corporation Wireless 7265? is that the model?
[15:44] <Cursarion> yo, mah system froze with of Input/output error / segmentation fault. Should there be any information about it in the logs, or anywhere? Or does that mean it was a situation where nothing was written?
[15:47] <ioria> cstolan, what is ? acer laptop ?
[15:48] <cstolan> @ioria no. it's an HP Envy
[15:48] <ioria> cstolan, oh, yes Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard
[15:50] <foxly> cstolan, is the wifi not connecting at all or does it connect but can't actually reach sites?
[15:50] <ThomasAFaulkner> Hello?
[15:51] <ioria> cstolan,  can you paste 'rfkill list' output ?
[15:52] <cstolan> @foxly well...i can't say it is not connecting at all. it connected but i only managed to open a site once. then it appears to be connected but I wasn't able to reach the internet.
[15:52] <pie3> anyone with mint too?
[15:52] <pie3> i am facing video issues
[15:52] <pie3> codecs problem
[15:52] <pie3> hence video is not being played
[15:53] <pie3> 2) i dont want to use google in browser; what are more safe options?
[15:53] <cstolan> @ioria i'm not using 17.04 now...I installed 16.04 and it works fine.
[15:54] <cstolan> @ioria I was just really wanting to give 17.04 a try but with no internet access...
[15:54] <ioria> cstolan,  i see
[15:54] <cstolan> yeah
[15:55] <cstolan> oh well guess I'll wait for a while and see if a fix comes out. i'll keep an eye on the forums and here
[15:56] <cstolan> so we should only expect ubuntu with the gnome de in 18.04 right?
[15:56] <nacc> cstolan: that will be the default, but 'only' is false
[15:56] <nacc> cstolan: there is not 'only' unity right now
[15:57] <cstolan> of course I know that
[15:57] <nacc> cstolan: ... so why did you ask it?
[15:57] <cstolan> i could use ubuntu gnome if i wanted too
[15:57] <foxly> cstolan, it might have been this issue: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1682499 - I dealt with the same thing this morning. I had to edit the file and it worked fine, was able to update and and get back online
[15:58] <nacc> foxly: yeah, that was going to be my suggestion, it affected a lot of people
[15:58] <cstolan> no...i was just asking for the canonical gnome de adoption...
[15:58] <robinwassen> Hi
[15:58] <nacc> cstolan: what about it?
[15:58] <robinwassen> Is there any IRC channel for the 100 paper cuts project?
[15:58] <nacc> cstolan: you didn't ask about canonical (which is offtopic here) or anything else in your original question
[15:59] <nacc> robinwassen: probably #ubuntu-devel? that's the bugfixing project, right?
[15:59] <linuxlearner> Hello! Could someone point me in right direction (channel) where i can ask some questions about UEFI? I am exploring linux and building my own iso image! Thank you!
[15:59] <robinwassen> @nacc That is what I am after, would like to give it a shot to contribute and small bugs feels like a good intro to how to do it.
[15:59] <robinwassen> @nacc Thanks :)
[16:00] <cstolan> @nacc yes I know I did not ask on the original topic but i was asking now if 18.04 is when they will release gnome de with ubuntu.
[16:00] <cstolan> @foxly thanks i'll have a look
[16:01] <nacc> robinwassen: yw. Also, today is the server team bug squashing day if you are interested in server packages (#ubuntu-server)
[16:01] <nacc> cstolan: that is the plan. It might happen in 17.10 as well.
[16:02] <robinwassen> @nacc: Thanks for the tip! I don't really know what I am after, I am good at resolving bugs, but less so in actually finding my way around the Ubuntu universe :D
[16:02] <foxly>  @cstolan here's the main point of that report: problem is solved after editing: /etc/systemd/resolved.conf DNSSEC=off and reboot
[16:02] <cstolan> @nacc ah I see...didn't know that
[16:03] <cstolan> @nacc we should expect 18.04 to be the next LTS right?
[16:04] <nacc> robinwassen: np
[16:04] <nacc> cstolan: it's pretty widely discussed
[16:05] <nacc> cstolan: yes, every 2 years is an LTS
[16:05] <nacc> cstolan: it's not an expectation, it's a fact
[16:06] <cstolan> @nacc alright. i'm kind of new to linux and ubuntu, stuff like this still confuses me...i'm learning. :)
[16:07] <nacc> cstolan: also, note, all future release discussion (really only for 17.10) belongs in #ubuntu+1. 18.04 hasn't even started yet
[16:08] <cstolan> @foxly thanks a lot. I might give it another try and reinstall 17.04
[16:08] <cstolan> @nacc oh, i see. thanks for the info
[16:09] <Dreaman> 16.04 is lts
[16:09] <ioria> cstolan, select 'Update'  while installing
[16:10] <cstolan> @ioria thx. i'll connect it via ethernet and give it a try
[16:10] <ioria> cstolan, ok
[16:10] <nacc> !who | Dreaman: I'm pretty sure I've told you this before...
[16:11] <cstolan> !help
[16:12] <spider_x> Hey guys, I keep getting this odd glitch when gaming, even if I game on a flash game, it is a horizontal line near the top of the screen and everything about it is like a bit shifted to one side?
[16:13] <spider_x> I tried googling but dont know how to explain it what I am seeing
[16:14] <EriC^^> spider_x: take a screenshot
[16:14] <spider_x> Screenshots show normal
[16:15] <faugusztin> spider_x: overscan/underscan of a TV ?
[16:15] <spider_x> Let me google that.
[16:15] <iffraff1> Hi, this is a long shot but would someone like to help me understand all these different items in my ifconfig?
[16:16] <spider_x> Hmm, don't think so faugusztin
[16:17] <spider_x> Have you ever expeirenced in a game some sort of horizontal glitch on your screen but it gets fixed if you turn on V-sync?
[16:17] <nacc> iffraff1: not necessarily a support topic, maybe find a networking channel? do you mean what the fields mean?
[16:17] <spider_x> it looks very similar to that.
[16:18] <iffraff1> nacc: well, no i have a bunch of ... Items, e.g. lo, tun0, enp8s2 etc  I'm having trouble connecting tothe vpn at work and looking at this I realize I don't know what the hell is going
[16:18] <iffraff1> on
[16:19] <spider_x> http://media.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2015/gpu/screen-tearing-blacklist.jpg looks a lot like that faugusztin
[16:19] <DArqueBishop> iffraff1: if your VPN is OpenVPN, tun0 is the VPN adapter.
[16:20] <iffraff1> right, that's what I've been reading, I have tun1 as well
[16:20] <gnomeNewUser> is it dangerous to do systemctl disable accounts-daemon.service ?
[16:20] <iffraff1> nacc: but I've been getting this error when I try to connect
[16:20] <iffraff1>  /sbin/ip route add 10.0.128.0/19 metric 101 via 5.5.52.1
[16:20] <iffraff1> RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[16:20] <iffraff1> Wed May 17 11:07:12 2017 ERROR: Linux route add command failed: external program exited with error status: 2
[16:21] <iffraff1> I thought maybe I could kill tun0 and restart it or something?
[16:21] <LibertyWeNeed> How do I improve the graphical performance of Ubuntu running inside virtual box on a Windows Machine? I have a fantastic gaming graphics card, and I have installed the "guest additions cd image" but videos flicker and things don't appear smooth.
[16:23] <rivauim> hi fellas
[16:23] <nacc> LibertyWeNeed: sounds like a virtualbox or windows question
[16:24] <gnomeNewUser> LibertyWeNeed: may be enable accelerat 3d in virtual machine settings?
[16:24] <nacc> iffraff1: it would appear that that route already exists (if i had to guess)
[16:26] <LibertyWeNeed> gnomeNewUser, that triggered the flickering. without it, there is little flickering but very sluggish graphics making videos very choppy as well as the efficiency of using it for daily activities.
[16:26] <iffraff1> well seems I have a 10.0.128.0  on 5.5.52.1 but the error says 10.0.128.1
[16:28] <gnomeNewUser> LibertyWeNeed: what about start guest os without compositor. (safe graphic mode etc)
[16:28] <seanBE> Any body have any experience with connecting to openvpn?
[16:28] <LibertyWeNeed> gnomeNewUser, how do I do that?
[16:29] <iffraff1> seanBE: I have experience with it not connecting :)  that's what I'm chatting about right now
[16:29] <DArqueBishop> FYI, there is an #openvpn channel on this network.
[16:29] <iffraff1> DArqueBishop: nice, I tried to connect ( on spec ) but it didn't.  I'll try again.  thanks
[16:30] <gnomeNewUser> LibertyWeNeed: in lightdm choose not unity but another option(if it there)
[16:30] <iffraff1> ah looks like I'm not id
[16:30] <gnomeNewUser> LibertyWeNeed: or try install fluxbox
[16:32] <LibertyWeNeed> gnomeNewUser, "in lightdm choose not unity but another option
[16:32] <LibertyWeNeed> I don't understand
[16:33] <seanBE> iffraff1: haha :) DNS issues here.
[16:33] <seanBE> DArqueBishop: Thx!
[16:33] <marcos_> hello
[16:35] <thyriaen> I am looking for an ubuntu based distro or desktop environment that values screen real estate and keyboard shortcuts - i am running on a laptop so less usage of the trackpoint makes me more efficient -> it should have shortcuts for splitscreen, and try to reduce the amount of borders and panels the screen takes up : any advice for me ?
[16:35] <Pici> thyriaen: i3 or any other tile based window manager
[16:36] <ducasse> +1 for i3, but it's pretty far from a desktop environment
[16:37] <thyriaen> i have used ratpoisen before ( probably 4 years ago ) but its not really what im looking for
[16:37] <thyriaen> but the idea is great - im looking more for a middle ground
[16:38] <thyriaen> so a pure tiling window maneger is probably a bit too lightweight for what im looking for
[16:40] <thyriaen> so i guess what would be best is a de with applications launcher and stuff like alt+tab while still having the benefits of a tile based window manager
[16:40] <thyriaen> do you know something like that comes close to it ?
[16:43] <ducasse> thyriaen: i know enlightenment has a tiling feature, but imo enlightenment in general is _horrible_
[16:45] <Eventsy> Long shot, anyone know how to keep a docker container alive when a build fails in docker compose?
[16:45] <faugusztin> spider_x: no idea what could cause tearing like that
[16:45] <faugusztin> spider_x: what is your GPU ?
[16:45] <nacc> Eventsy: ask in a docker channel?
[16:46] <Eventsy> Yeah I need to reg
[16:46] <Eventsy> +r
[16:46] <nacc> !register | Eventsy
[16:49] <thyriaen> ducasse, so maybe going for a normal desktop environment and then add some form of tiling feature after wards is the way to go ?
[16:50] <acresearch> hello people, i have run sudo apt-get update then I installed a program (pymol) using sudo apt-get install, it seems i have an old version , wikipedia says there is a new verion that is out 61 days ago.    can someone explain to me what i did wrong? how can i get the new program?
[16:50] <ubuntu-mate> fucking you
[16:50] <oerheks> acresearch, on 16.04 ?
[16:50] <ducasse> thyriaen: gnome has an extension for tiling, 'shellshape' or something
[16:50] <acresearch> oerheks: yes
[16:50] <ubuntu-mate> =.=
[16:50] <ubuntu-mate> fuck
[16:50] <oerheks> !ops | ubuntu-mate
[16:50] <ubuntu-mate> i wanna fucking you
[16:51] <ubuntu-mate> hi
[16:51] <ubuntu-mate> hi all
[16:51] <oerheks> acresearch, lts does not get the latest versions, so build it yourself?
[16:51] <acresearch> oerheks: oh
[16:51] <acresearch> oerheks: lts you mean apt-get?
[16:52] <_falcon_> what up with ubuntu-mate ? :P
[16:52] <oerheks> acresearch, ??
[16:52] <acresearch> oerheks: what did you mean by lts?
[16:52] <oerheks> !lts
[16:53] <acresearch> oerheks: oh
[16:53] <ducasse> !latest | acresearch
[16:53] <thyriaen> ducasse, i also found this: https://github.com/ssokolow/quicktile however i would like to get rid of stuff like the bar ontop of a window ( with x minimize and stuff init - do you know of a DE where i can disable those ? )
[16:53] <sruli> hi, i want to install kdeconnect to connect my phone, it requires lots of kde packages, does anyone know if it will effect my unity ?
[16:53] <oerheks> zesty 17.04 got a newer version, not the newest though https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pymol
[16:53] <acresearch> oerheks: but woun't after i run sudo apt-get update, i should get the updated apt-get from the ubuntu apt-get server?
[16:53] <ducasse> thyriaen: nope, a de would typically need those
[16:54] <ducasse> acresearch: an ubuntu release does not get new package versions after release
[16:54] <acresearch> ducasse: oh
[16:55] <acresearch> ducasse: even after apt-get update?
[16:55] <oerheks> acresearch, updated apt-get?? how does this relate to pymol??
[16:55] <ducasse> acresearch: newer software will be in the next release
[16:55] <acresearch> oerheks: because i install pymol using apt-get install
[16:56] <thyriaen> ducasse, why is that ? ( i can close applications with cntrl+q or w usually - i am running on a 12,5" laptop - stuff like the top bar and menu bar or scroll bars at the side in splitscreen mode really take away alot of screen real estate
[16:56] <clandest> hello. I am running a local webserver at 127.0.0.1:8080, I want to be able to access it from other computers on my network via its network IP address. But when i added it to my /etc/hosts file nothing chaged. Only 127.0.0.1:8080 and localhost:8080 work, 192.168.1.22:8080 doesnt work even though added to the /etc/hosts file.
[16:56] <oerheks> sourgeforce gives 1.8.6, grab that package
[16:56] <ducasse> thyriaen: they typically want to be controllable by mouse.
[16:57] <thyriaen> ducasse, yes, however i prefer using the keyboard on my laptop - are there maybe a bit more feature rich tiling window managers with for example application launchers ?
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> clandest: perhaps the #ubuntu-server channel might know that
[16:58] <clandest> lotuspsychje: thanks, i will try that
[16:59] <ducasse> thyriaen: you _can_ add all that yourself, you know?
[16:59] <thyriaen> ducasse, i can ? :)
[17:00] <hydra_> hi
[17:00] <ducasse> thyriaen: there are launchers etc that function as separate applications, like 'docky'
[17:01] <johnfg> Yesterday, I did an `apt install xfce4` on ubuntu-server-16.04.
[17:02] <johnfg> I expected that would also install a DM as well.  xfce4 won't start from my login with startxfce4, but will from root.
[17:02] <thyriaen> ducasse, so your best advice would be, rather than trying to downsize a DE, take a tiling window manager and add those launchers i need to it myself ?
[17:02] <ioria> clandest, i can only suppose an error in your /etc/host
[17:02] <hydra_> hi guys
[17:02] <johnfg> How do I get the usual DM on the server?  Is there another xfce4 set of pkgs to install?
[17:02] <ioria> johnfg, dpkg -l lightdm
[17:03] <johnfg> So, xfce4 doesn't include a DM then?
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> hydra_: welcome, how can we help you?
[17:03] <ducasse> thyriaen: yes. a bit of work, but you get exactly what you want/need
[17:03] <thyriaen> ducasse, alright thanks
[17:04] <acresearch> oerheks: dam it, the website provides the latest python 3 version as a paid version only,   stupid !!!
[17:06] <johnfg> The output of dpkg -l lightdm was a bit hard to decipher.  But when I do an apt install lightdm, it wants to install 298 pkgs!
[17:06] <oerheks> johnfg, for lightdm,  to enable DM login 'sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target' and to disable 'sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target´
[17:06] <acresearch> oerheks: looks like i am going to have to downgrade,,,,
[17:06] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/800239/how-to-disable-lightdmdisplay-manager-on-ubuntu-16-0-4-lts
[17:06] <ducasse> thyriaen: when you've worked with i3 (example) a bit, you find out you don't really need much else. i use rofi as a 'launcher', but that's about it
[17:07] <johnfg> oerheks: Thanks.  Looks like most of the pkgs to be installed with lightdm are gnome pkgs?
[17:07] <oerheks> johnfg, not sure what xfce4 runs on ..
[17:08] <thyriaen> ducasse, as a wm you agree to i3 ?
[17:08] <nacc> johnfg: probably you are installing recommends
[17:08] <johnfg> oerheks: Not sure what you mean, what xfce4 runs on...?
[17:09] <nacc> johnfg: e.g., one of the greeters and that's pulling many deps
[17:09] <oerheks> johnfg, what DM xfce4 runs on
[17:09] <johnfg> nacc: They weren't recommends, they want to come along with.
[17:09] <oerheks> what DM > dpkg -l | awk '$2 ~ /dm$/'
[17:09] <johnfg> oerheks: ok, how can I find out what's in xfce4-extras?
[17:10] <oerheks> johnfg, look up the package on launchpad?
[17:10] <ducasse> thyriaen: i like i3 very much, yes. don't see myself switching.
[17:10] <johnfg> Actually, xfce4-goodies
[17:11] <strive> ducasse: i3 is simple and straight-forward :)
[17:11] <fallentree> oerheks: dpkg-query -l '*dm'  :)
[17:11] <ducasse> strive: + flexible and easy to configure :)
[17:11] <strive> ducasse: That is true.
[17:12] <oerheks> fallentree, thank you, much nicer
[17:13] <anddam> I'm trying to figure why rfkill service isn't saving the software status of my wifi on shutdown
[17:14] <ioria> johnfg,   it's not recommended, but you can start xfce4 with 'startx', but if you ran it with sudo rights, i'd check first my ~/.Xauthority
[17:14] <anddam> I tried searching the web, to no avail, and reading the man page/doc
[17:14] <johnfg> launchpad didn't seem to break down what's actually in it.
[17:15] <ducasse> thyriaen: if you're going to test out i3, take a good look at the user guide. it's excellent, and it's not too popular to ask questions in #i3 that are clearly covered there. other than that we are pretty friendly ;)
[17:16] <nacc> johnfg: you mean the package's contents?
[17:16] <johnfg> yes
[17:16] <MTM123> Hi. I tried creating/changing udev rules so I can change group of my device. So far unsuccessfull. Here are ls, lsusb outputs as well as 51-android.rules
[17:16] <MTM123> https://hastebin.com/udagatesed.hs
[17:17] <johnfg> is there a way to display the pkgs contents?
[17:17] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-goodies/4.12.3
[17:17] <oerheks> long list eeasy to find
[17:18] <nacc> oerheks: i'm not sure that's what johnfg is after
[17:18] <johnfg> oerheks: Great.  Don't know how I missed it.  I thought maybe it had a dm in there.
[17:19] <johnfg> nacc: Yeah, it was, but thanks for checking :-)
[17:19] <oerheks> johnfg, open terminal: dpkg-query -l '*dm'
[17:19] <nacc> johnfg: http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/xfce4-goodies also, under 'list of files'
[17:19] <johnfg> Also don't know why lightdm need 297 pkgs installed to make it work.
[17:19] <ioria> johnfg, but it's not the content of the pkg, it pulls in the deps
[17:20] <genii> MTM123: Your issue may not be your rule, but rather the pre-existing rule on line 1186 of /libudev/rules.d/69-libmtp.rules which reads: ATTR{idVendor}=="0fce", ATTR{idProduct}=="51a7", SYMLINK+="libmtp-%k", MODE="660", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_MTP_DEVICE}="1", ENV{ID_MEDIA_PLAYER}="1"
[17:21] <ddoobb> Can someone please give me the Ubuntu printer test page pdf. Would appreciate it a lot. Couldn't find it online.
[17:21] <johnfg> I guess I'll just go for it, and take it with all the deps.
[17:22] <ioria> johnfg, --no-install-recommends  should give a lighter install of lightdm
[17:23] <ddoobb> Can someone please give me the Ubuntu printer test page pdf. Would appreciate it a lot. Couldn't find it online.
[17:23] <ducasse> ddoobb: there should be a few in the cups packages
[17:23] <ddoobb> ducasse I'm on windows
[17:25] <johnfg> ioria: Thanks.  If I don't like it how it comes out, I'll remove, then do it the way you suggest.
[17:25] <johnfg> nacc: oerheks: thanks also
[17:25] <MTM123> genii: should I change it in there or delete it?
[17:25] <oerheks> ddoobb, in /usr/share/cups/data/default-testpage.pdf
[17:28] <oerheks> ddoobb, if you cannot find it on launchpad, grab a copy here from dropbox https://www.dropbox.com/s/jjo8aduyin4kavk/default-testpage.pdf?dl=0
[17:28] <kostkon> ddoobb, download the package from here then extract the .deb file to get the file http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/amd64/cups-filters/download
[17:28] <kostkon> oerheks' dropbox option is easier
[17:29] <genii> MTM123: Comment it out and then see if your rule takes effect instead
[17:30] <ddoobb> Thanks for the help, oerheks and kostkon.
[17:32] <johnfg> Got some weirdness with lightdm, it's not accepting my password, which is stored in openldap.
[17:32] <johnfg> I can login on a tty, no problem though.
[17:32] <johnfg> What's up with that?
[17:32] <MTM123> genii: Still sets it to audio.
[17:34] <gear4> is it possible to have both passwordless and keyless SSH login ?
[17:35] <genii> MTM123: sudo service systemd-udevd restart  and try again
[17:35] <nacc> gear4: um, that would be no login whatsoever? you want unauthenticated ssh?
[17:35] <gear4> yes
[17:36] <gear4> just ssh localhost
[17:36] <ioria> johnfg,  i don't use openldap, but check the ownership of ~/.Xauthority
[17:36] <nacc> gear4: you undersatnd 'ssh' stands for 'secure shell' and you are asking for it to be explicitly insecure.
[17:36] <nacc> gear4: so no, that's not possible, afaict
[17:37] <gear4> nacc: yes
[17:37] <nacc> gear4: why would you ever want that?
[17:37] <gear4> cuz no one else will have access to it
[17:37] <gear4> it's cut off from the outside world, no internet to it
[17:37] <nacc> gear4: then why are you using ssh at all?
[17:37] <ioria> gear4, you can can call a script with ssh-pass inside, but it's a suicide
[17:37] <Jamin> As a complete linux newb with little CLI experience, how easy is it to get Ubuntu Server up and running with OpenZFS?
[17:37] <gear4> because it's best suited for what I want
[17:37] <MTM123> genii: Still the same thing
[17:37] <gear4> ioria: can try
[17:38] <Jamin> I want to install it on a USB (not like a LiveCD, but with a USB permanently plugged into a USB slot to save harddrive spaces)
[17:38] <ducasse> Jamin: pretty easy, if you read the docs
[17:38] <nacc> ioria: aiui, sshpass just types your password, so it's still using password auth?
[17:39] <nacc> gear4: key-based access is trivial to setup, why try to workaround it?
[17:39] <gear4> I can't create keys on the machine
[17:39] <ioria> nacc, yes
[17:39] <ducasse> gear4: what kind of ubuntu is this?
[17:39] <Jamin> @ducasse: K, great, thanks. I can follow instructions well, and I have *some* CLI experience on Windows, but didn't know if I was walking myself into a tar pit of terror.
[17:40] <gear4> 16.10
[17:40] <nacc> gear4: what?
[17:40] <nacc> gear4: you don't need to create keys on the remote machine
[17:40] <nacc> gear4: you need to create keys on your local machine and set them to be authorized on the remote machine
[17:40] <gear4> the local machine is the remote machine
[17:40] <gear4> I just want to test stuff
[17:40] <nacc> gear4: then why do you need ssh at all?
[17:40] <gear4> git
[17:41] <nacc> git doesn't *need* ssh
[17:41] <nacc> it understands local filesystems just fine
[17:41] <gear4> I know
[17:41] <nacc> gear4: so why do you *need* ssh?
[17:41] <gear4> for git
[17:41] <gear4> as I said
[17:41] <ducasse> Jamin: this is a good guide to using zfs, but installing the packages is a bit different on ubuntu. that's just one step, though.
[17:41] <nacc> me: why do you need X; you: i need X for Y; me: Y doesn't need X, why do you need X. Do you see how that's illogical?
[17:42] <nacc> gear4: --^
[17:42] <gear4> nope
[17:42] <nacc> gear4: ok, good luck then
[17:42] <gear4> because I never set the requirements for the contractors
[17:42] <nacc> gear4: what are you even talking about? contractors?
[17:42] <gear4> I got asked to make a git administrating program for ubuntu
[17:43] <gear4> I want to see how it plays with ssh on localhost
[17:43] <Jamin> ducasse: "this is a good guide" -> What is a good guide?
[17:43] <ducasse> Jamin: sorry, pasted url in wrong buffer :) https://pthree.org/2012/04/17/install-zfs-on-debian-gnulinux/
[17:43] <nacc> gear4: so you don't have access to setup keys on your own system? that seems like  an outright lie
[17:43] <gear4> it's been removed
[17:43] <gear4> they won't have access, so I can't either
[17:43] <Jamin> Thanks! I appreciate it, good sir!
[17:43] <nacc> gear4: what's been removed?
[17:43] <gear4> keygen
[17:44] <ducasse> Jamin: it covers everything you need; setting up pools, creating filesystems, using snapshots etc
[17:44] <nacc> gear4: why? and also, note that this is why you *need* whatever crazy setup you're trying to do. not "git".
[17:44] <gear4> I don't need anything for myself or any of *my* systems
[17:45] <gear4> they require git with passwordless, keyless ssh
[17:45] <gear4> that's not all they require but it's what I'm asking for now
[17:45] <nacc> none of this is ubuntu support, i'm done helping, maybe someone else is interested
[17:45] <gear4> it's using ubuntu 16.10 so
[17:45] <gear4> I don't see how not
[17:47] <gear4> my question was simple .. could I ever possibly have keyless and passwordless SSH logins with any sort of program. you dragged information not relevant to the question
[17:47] <gear4> I guess support here is as bad as the OS itself
[17:47] <ducasse> gear4: when what you're doing seems pointless, don't expect others to invest their time in it
[17:47] <genii> MTM123: unplug the thing, issue: sudo systemd-udevd restart ( as before ), re-insert and wait 10-15 seconds, then issue: sudo systemd-udevd status  ... and then see what it's saying about the device in the log excerpt
[17:47] <gear4> ducasse: it was just a simple question, not even for me. I suggested they just go with keys when I took this project
[17:48]  * genii wanders back to work for a bit
[17:48] <ducasse> genii: maybe you can use a passwordless key?
[17:48] <ducasse> gear4: ^^
[17:48] <gear4> keys can't be generated
[17:48] <gear4> and it's not connected to the internet
[17:49] <nacc> gear4: why are they using ssh at all?
[17:49] <ducasse> gear4: well, then your answer is 'no'.
[17:49] <nacc> gear4: git has it's own network protocol
[17:49] <gear4> ducasse: ok, thanks
[17:49] <gear4> that was a good answer\
[17:50] <davidj> @gear4 It sounds like you might want to post this to superuser.
[17:50] <nacc> gear4: there is probably an ssh channel which is where such a question can be definitively answered
[17:50] <gear4> also I'm pretty sure that nacc is either blind or has arthritis
[17:50] <gear4> davidj: I will
[17:50] <gear4> clearly no one here can answer me decently
[17:50] <nacc> gear4: we aren't going to do your job for you
[17:51] <davidj> Well, step #1 is ask decently. So compile a long-form question/request and pastebin it, or superuser it.
[17:51] <nacc> gear4: did you try searching for 'unauthenticated ssh' at all?
[17:51] <davidj> This sounds like a convoluted question to start with, it's going to be hard to answer without a high level overview of what you're doing.
[17:51] <davidj> Regardless, it sounds like ssh-keygen will solve all of this. :)
[17:52] <gear4> davidj: it would .. sadly
[17:52] <gear4> but I can't use it because company requested I don't
[17:54] <davidj> That's fascinating. Well, either way — superuser time. :p
[17:55] <gear4> I could recompile ssh ..
[17:55] <gear4> cuz that's all I can do for them
[18:02] <rx-natasha-marry> hello
[18:03] <rx-natasha-marry> anyone can help me with my  webserver
[18:03] <ksk> rx-natasha-marry: ask your question
[18:04] <rx-natasha-marry> how can I see if its online
[18:04] <rx-natasha-marry> how can I see if the webpage is online
[18:04] <nacc> rx-natasha-marry: try to access it over the internet?
[18:04] <iczero> send it a TCP SYN?
[18:04] <iczero> use `curl`?
[18:04] <cristian_c> hi
[18:05] <rx-natasha-marry> I put the web adress in firefox and it goes to a page if I want to buy the domain
[18:06] <cristian_c> after I've placed cpu, I've installed 17.04. Unfortunaterly, lm-sensors returns incorrect values for a10-7800
[18:06] <cristian_c> How can I fix the issue?
[18:07] <davidj> @rx-natasha-marry It sounds as though the domain isn't registered. If you pm it to me, I can check it's registration.
[18:07] <tomreyn> rx-natasha-marry: do you own / manager the domain name or subdomain you pointed firefox to?
[18:07] <rx-natasha-marry> think so,
[18:08] <rx-natasha-marry> Iam trying to assemble a webserver and a mail server, its complicated
[18:09] <tomreyn> rx-natasha-marry: is it a second level domain name (such as example.org) or a third (or higher) level domain name (myblog.example.org)?
[18:09] <rx-natasha-marry> the webserver is almost done, what is missing is the domain name be mine penpals.com
[18:09] <rx-natasha-marry> its penpals.com
[18:09] <nacc> rx-natasha-marry: that isn't an ubuntu issue -- you of course have to own/register the domain name
[18:10] <rx-natasha-marry> were can I register for free
[18:10] <davidj> Oh. You can't, it looks like it's already taken.
[18:10] <Poster> there are no free regisrars that I am aware of
[18:10] <davidj> You'll need to register a domain via a registrar.
[18:10] <davidj> If you require free, perhaps uh, .tk is an option?
[18:10] <davidj> http://www.dot.tk/en/index.html?lang=en
[18:11] <davidj> There are a few other free registrars, but your mileage may vary with them. I've not had much of a decent experience with any of them.
[18:11]  * Poster stands corrected
[18:11] <D> Hi
[18:12] <rx-natasha-marry> is running on apache home server
[18:12] <tomreyn> a much better option is to use a third level domain offered by services such as afraid.org
[18:12] <Guest78969> I have a question: can I have softwares updates from a newer version in an oler one? For example, I would like to receive updates for evince/rhythmbox/etc from zesty while in xenila.
[18:13] <nacc> rx-natasha-marry: that's not relevant. registering a domain name (reserving it / owning it) is not something you do on your machine
[18:13] <nacc> Guest78969: no, that's not recommended at all
[18:13] <rx-natasha-marry> ok
[18:13] <rx-natasha-marry> thanks
[18:13] <genii> Guest78969: That's what backports is for
[18:14] <rx-natasha-marry> what?
[18:14] <nacc> Guest78969: or use snaps if they exist for those applications
[18:14] <rx-natasha-marry> don't know
[18:14] <nacc> rx-natasha-marry: no one is addressing those last few comments to you
[18:15] <rx-natasha-marry> ok
[18:15] <Guest78969> genii: how do I get backports? I see in sources-list there is a deb listed
[18:15] <nacc> Guest78969: add the appropriate entry to your sources.list and then `sudo apt update` and see if any are available
[18:15] <nacc> !backports
[18:17] <ruzgar-gulu> hello
[18:17] <Guest78969> nacc: I'll try the 'backport' thing because I'm sticking with 14.04 so there is no snaps. Thank you
[18:18] <ruzgar-gulu> i am sticking with 16.04
[18:18] <ruzgar-gulu> irssi
[18:18] <Guest78969> genii: using backports may be necessary to update other dependencies?
[18:18] <ruzgar-gulu> no
[18:19] <nacc> Guest78969: well, you said xenial earlier, so i didn't konw you were on 14.04
[18:19] <nacc> Guest78969: backports should include their dependencies if needed
[18:20] <Guest78969> nacc: yeah, my bad. The real question is if there is a "general" answer to have updates for version X in Y
[18:20] <Guest78969> nacc: I mean, if I'm in version X, can I have updates for version Y?
[18:21] <nacc> Guest78969: if there are backports for X, maybe
[18:21] <nacc> Guest78969: but not generally, no, that's why you are on X
[18:21] <nacc> Guest78969: upgrade to Y if you want Y
[18:21] <thyriaen> what is Y ?
[18:21] <Guest78969> nacc: ok, thank you!
[18:22] <Guest78969> Y is a version earlier than X
[18:22] <nacc> thyriaen: in this context, a later release of Ubuntu than Guest78969 is running
[18:22] <Guest78969> in my reference
[18:22] <nacc> or v.v., perhaps :)
[18:22] <thyriaen> ah cool
[18:22] <Guest78969> oops later*
[18:22] <MTM123> genii: command not found
[18:23] <genii> MTM123: Sorry... sudo service systemd-udevd status
[18:23] <genii> ( I omitted the "service" )
[18:24] <Guest78969> Because I'm still using Ubuntu 14.04 while 16.04.5 is not release, I was wondering if I could update to later version of software in the meantime.
[18:24] <Guest78969> Thank you for the enlightenment
[18:25] <nacc> Guest78969: i'm not sure i follow why you're waiting to upgrade for 16.04.5?
[18:25] <nacc> Guest78969: or is there some context you didn't mention?
[18:26] <Guest78969> nacc: I'm very conservative, so I guess when 16.04.5 is release, the version is more stable than earlier point release
[18:27] <RilWy> hi im newbee here,..
[18:27] <Guest78969> nacc: plus, some points release have a newer version of the linux kernel. And if I want the newer version, I would need to reinstall the system
[18:28] <DJones> RilWy: Welcome tothe channel, if you have Ubuntu support issues, feel free to ask them here
[18:28] <Bashing-om> !hwe | Guest78969
[18:28] <nacc> Guest78969: ok -- there are some slight corrections i'd make to that statement (e.g., 16.04.5 is just a snapshot of 16.04 with the 16.04.5 hwe x and kernel), but you're generally right
[18:28] <nacc> Guest78969: all point releases have newer versions of the kernel, that's what they are for, by default
[18:28] <nacc> Guest78969: you don't need to 'reinstall'?
[18:29] <RilWy> can i hack wifi from my neighbor?
[18:29] <Guest78969> But 16.04.2 is with kernel 4.8 and some users didn't get update from kernel 4.4?
[18:29] <nacc> RilWy: that is not an appropriate topic for this channel
[18:29] <DJones> RilWy: Thats not something the channel  is for, or would be supported as its  illegal
[18:29] <DArqueBishop> nacc: I would argue it's not an appropriate topic for any channel.
[18:29] <nacc> Guest78969: if you fresh install 16.04.2, you get 4.8; if you were on 16.04.1, you have to opt-in to the hwe stack
[18:29] <nacc> Guest78969: i believe the same was true for 14.04
[18:30] <nacc> DArqueBishop: true
[18:30] <RilWy> sorry,.. because im very important make develop something..
[18:30] <RilWy> sorry,.. because im very important to make develop something..
[18:31] <Guest78969> nacc: yes, it was.
[18:31] <MTM123> genii: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24594305/
[18:31] <ducasse> RilWy: doesn't matter, it's illegal
[18:31] <Guest78969> nacc: I also make drive images after a fresh install, that's another reason to wait for the latest point release
[18:31] <RilWy> okay,.. i understand., :)
[18:32] <nacc> Guest78969: ah ok
[18:32] <Guest78969> nacc: thank you for yout attention
[18:32] <nacc> Guest78969: np
[18:41] <DJones> Anobody thats on Ubuntu 17.04 (Unity) can you check something for me, right clicking on the desktop lets me create a new folder, but not a new document, is that right, maybe my memory is going, but I'm sure I used to be able to create new text documents etc
[18:43] <Dreaman> http://prikachi.com/images.php?images/665/9123665S.png  DJones
[18:45] <DJones> Dreaman: Thanks, I'm afraid I couldn't read it due to language differences, but touch ~/Templates/Untitled\ Document fixes the issue
[18:46] <Dreaman> ok
[18:46] <pavlos> DJones: that's correct, in 16.04 you could create a new doc but with 17.04 you cannot
[18:46] <ducasse> Dreaman: aren't you evading your ban now?
[18:47] <pavlos> DJones: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2017/04/enable-new-document-context-menu-in-ubuntu-17-04/
[18:47] <DJones> pavlos: Yeah, thats were I found the fix
[18:48] <Dreaman> ducasse no
[18:48] <Dreaman> i am free
[18:48] <Dreaman> no bann no mute
[18:49] <Dreaman> see nick na host
[18:49] <Dreaman> and
[18:56] <bray90820> Maybe someone here can help me figure out  if the service I just started is actually running or not
[18:57] <leftyfb> bray90820: ps
[18:57] <leftyfb> bray90820: what service?
[18:58] <nacc> bray90820: yeah, details to help answer that , ithink
[18:59] <bray90820> It's a custom service I created and enabled it with this command
[18:59] <bray90820> sudo systemctl enable /home/aaron/habridge/data/habridge.service
[19:00] <leftyfb> ps -ef |grep habridge
[19:00] <ducasse> bray90820: 'enable' only starts it on the next boot
[19:01] <nacc> bray90820: or maybe systemctl status habridge (or habridge.service)
[19:01] <bray90820> ducasse: Yes I enabled it then rebooted
[19:01] <ducasse> bray90820: then check with 'status' as nacc suggests
[19:02] <bray90820> leftyfb: aaron    25125  2815  0 14:01 pts/2    00:00:00 grep --color=auto habridge
[19:02] <bray90820> and hbridge is in red
[19:02] <leftyfb> no
[19:02] <leftyfb> that's just hte grep
[19:02] <leftyfb> the*
[19:03] <leftyfb> also, i'm just assuming whatever your "habridge" service is calling is going to be called habridge as well
[19:04] <nacc> bray90820: it might help to pastebin your service file
[19:04] <ioria> bray90820, do you have a unit in /etc/systemd/system ?
[19:04] <bray90820> leftyfb: Yes your assumption is correct
[19:05] <nacc> ioria: they enabled a unit in a different location
[19:05] <nacc> ioria: which i think is supported (if atypical)
[19:05] <ioria> oh
[19:06] <nacc> bray90820: i would try finding the service with systemctl status - it's possible it failed to start or something
[19:06] <bray90820> Logan: I am assuming you are asking if hbridge.service is in /etc/systemd/system and the answer to that is yes
[19:07] <nacc> bray90820: did you mean ioria ?
[19:07] <ioria> *confused*
[19:07] <bray90820> I did sorry about that
[19:07] <nacc> bray90820: but you said you enabled /home/aaron/habridge/data/habridge.service
[19:07] <bray90820> correct
[19:07] <nacc> bray90820: so do you *also* have a habridge.service in /etc/systemd?
[19:07] <nacc> bray90820: i don't think it's recommended to have two services with the same name
[19:08] <ioria> 1) create unit  2) reload daemon 3) start service
[19:09] <bray90820> ioria: What do you mean by unit?
[19:09] <nacc> bray90820: your systemd unit
[19:09] <ioria> bray90820, ^ [Unit].... [Service] ...[Install]
[19:09] <bray90820> so create the service?
[19:10] <ioria> bray90820, the unit file, like this : https://github.com/bwssytems/ha-bridge
[19:10] <nacc> bray90820: can you run `sytemctl list-units --all` and pastebin the output?
[19:11] <bray90820> nacc: did you mean systemctl?
[19:11] <nacc> bray90820: err, yes :)
[19:14] <bray90820> nacc: habridge is in there but it says failed
[19:14] <bray90820> https://pastebin.com/raw/tTdd88Lc
[19:14] <nacc> bray90820: so, like i said a while ago, look at the status output
[19:14] <nacc> bray90820: see why it failed
[19:16] <ioria> bray90820,  sudo systemctl status habridge.service
[19:18] <bray90820> ioria: nacc https://pastebin.com/raw/5ivjwSAK
[19:19] <hamdjan> hi
[19:19] <hamdjan> should i go with ubuntu lts or ubuntu 17.04 for my desktop pc?
[19:19] <nacc> bray90820: some directory you need is not available
[19:20] <nacc> bray90820: is your /home on a separate partition?
[19:20] <bray90820> No my /home is not on a different partition
[19:20] <nacc> bray90820: can you manually start the service now?
[19:21] <nacc> bray90820: sudo systemctl start habridge.service
[19:22] <sansay> Hey guys if i ran a command on my server and accidentally changed permission on all files to a www-data any idea how to revert back? or correct this
[19:23] <ducasse> sansay: restore from backup
[19:23] <Dreaman> hamdjan  video card is
[19:23] <sansay> any other options?
[19:23] <hamdjan> Dreaman, intel igpu hd graphics
[19:23] <bray90820> nacc: Didn't seem to work
[19:23] <bray90820> https://pastebin.com/raw/sR6vVkbL
[19:24] <Dreaman> lts install and upgreat some time to 17.04
[19:24] <ducasse> sansay: the old permissions aren't stored anywhere, if that's what you're asking
[19:25] <leftyfb> sansay: go through each and every file on your system and compare the permissions to a fresh install you have elsewhere
[19:25] <Dreaman> hamdjan  i use in my pc extream 17.10 alpha and kernel 4.11
[19:25] <Dreaman> is stable but not good idea
[19:26] <leftyfb> sansay: future reference, commands like that I always put a # in front of and hit enter, then I look it over before I uncomment it and run it again
[19:26] <sansay> ya thats fair, do you know what permissions we can set to be able to access ssh?
[19:26] <sansay> we are still conencted via the terminal
[19:26] <ducasse> hamdjan: which generation intel?
[19:27] <hamdjan> ducasse, i think one earlier than haswell
[19:27] <nacc> bray90820: can you run that command manually
[19:27] <bray90820> nacc: Uh... How?
[19:27] <leftyfb> sansay: nope .... if whatever that server was doing is not doing anymore, shut it down and boot to single user mode or with a live cd and recover that way. Or reinstall and restore from backup
[19:27] <nacc> bray90820: /usr/bin/java -jar -Dconfig.file=/home/pi/habridge/da ... whatever
[19:28] <sansay> we are still connected via SSH
[19:28] <ducasse> hamdjan: ok, then 16.04 will probably work well for you. if you need to ask if you should choose lts or another release, the answer is almost always lts.
[19:28] <sansay> i want to be able to set jhust the main stuff so we can reconnect in case SSH dies
[19:28] <hamdjan> ducasse, will lts have the same amount of pkgs available as none lts?
[19:29] <hamdjan> ducasse, i guess probably more because its better supported
[19:29] <ducasse> hamdjan: yes, at least very close. a few packages might have been added later, but those might be available as snaps in 16.04.
[19:29] <leftyfb> sansay: sorry, you don't have many options with something like that.
[19:30] <sansay> shit
[19:30] <ducasse> hamdjan: with a non-lts release you will need to upgrade every 6-9 months, better to avoid that when still learning.
[19:30] <bray90820> nacc: Not sure I did it right
[19:30] <bray90820> https://pastebin.com/raw/g7LRBdNa
[19:31] <hamdjan> ducasse, if im fed up with lts can i also upgrade to non lts later on?
[19:31] <ducasse> hamdjan: yes. it's a bit of a hassle, but possible.
[19:31] <leftyfb> hamdjan: yes, but I don't see how you'd get fed up with the stable, supported version with the easier upgrade path to the next LTS
[19:31] <ioria> bray90820,  /usr/bin/java -jar -Dconfig.file=/home/pi/habridge/data/habridge.config /home/pi/habridge/ha-bridge-4.5.0.jar
[19:32] <bray90820> Oh it should be running from /data?
[19:33] <bray90820> because that's not where I enabled it from
[19:33] <hamdjan> leftyfb, my worry is that i miss a feature due to older software pkgs that i need for some app
[19:33] <ioria> sorry
[19:33] <ioria> bray90820,  /usr/bin/java -jar -Dconfig.file=/home/pi/habridge/data/habridge.config /home/pi/habridge/ha-bridge-4.5.0.jar
[19:33] <leftyfb> hamdjan: worry about that when/if you get to it
[19:33] <hamdjan> right
[19:33] <hamdjan> then i go for lts
[19:33] <hamdjan> thanks!
[19:34] <ducasse> hamdjan: np
[19:38] <xylem_thdc> hii
[19:38] <karakakou> jy everybody is ther some symfony user
[19:38] <karakakou> *hy
[19:38] <leftyfb> karakakou: huh?
[19:39] <karakakou> sorry wrong irc
[19:39] <bray90820> ioria: It seems to be asking for /home/pi/ which does not exist I think I may have fixed it but now i need to resend the habridge.services file how would I do that
[19:39] <xylem_thdc> can i install GNOME 3 on my 16.04 LTS ?
[19:39] <ioria> bray90820, resend ?
[19:40] <leftyfb> xylem_thdc: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/install-gnome-3-20-ubuntu-16-04-lts    first few results on google
[19:40] <xylem_thdc> thank you very much
[19:40] <xylem_thdc> :)
[19:41] <bray90820> ioria: remove the service and readd
[19:42] <xylem_thdc> exit
[19:42] <xylem_thdc> quit
[19:43] <ioria> bray90820, you check  your /etc/systemd/system/habridge.service , if correct, systemctl daemon-reload and systemctl start habridge.service
[19:50] <Swagbunoe> Hello Im trying to install ubuntu along side my windows 10. I shronk the primary windows partition to gain some more free space, however when i install ubuntu via uefi usb it tells me that i only have 2 gb of free space while there is 64gb available.
[19:51] <Swagbunoe> Neither im able to see the SSD nvme disk from ubuntu while running on the usb.
[19:51] <DogOwner> Hey guys anyone know how to get the TTY(framebuffer) to display 256 colors?
[19:54] <ayoubjob> hi
[19:55] <ayoubjob> i m a new user on ubunto
[20:00] <bray90820> Ionic: I almost have it I just need to know what to write to the habridge.config file and I am all good
[20:01] <bray90820> Wrong ping
[20:04] <vfw> Swagbunoe: What does sudo fdisk -l say?
[20:05] <Swagbunoe> vfw: permission denied
[20:05] <vfw> Swagbunoe: 'sudo fdisk -l'
[20:06] <Swagbunoe> :P
[20:06] <Swagbunoe> should have tried that already
[20:06] <vfw> Swagbunoe: Does it say "permission denied"
[20:06] <vfw> ?
[20:06] <Swagbunoe> https://pastebin.com/M916LbQ3
[20:08] <vfw> Swagbunoe: Really?  sda is only 2G?
[20:09] <Swagbunoe> it might be my usb
[20:10] <Swagbunoe> vfw: /dev/loop0 and /dev/sda are partitions from my usb
[20:10] <vfw> Swagbunoe: What type of computer is it?  And what size and type of hard drive does it have in it?
[20:11] <mikem_> I have a problem with a 16.04 auto update that failed
[20:11] <vfw> Swagbunoe: (What size is it *supposed* to be?)
[20:11] <Swagbunoe> vfw: im got this brand new dell xps 15, with a pcie nvme m2 ssd
[20:11] <Swagbunoe> 512gb
[20:11] <Swagbunoe> free memory 64gb
[20:12] <Swagbunoe> vfw: but the problem is that its not showing at all
[20:12] <vfw> Swagbunoe: Ok, that's weird.
[20:12] <vfw> Swagbunoe: Try 'sync'
[20:13] <vfw> Swagbunoe: Try 'sudo sync'
[20:13] <Swagbunoe> i think i need to do this but i dont know how: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man4/nvme.4freebsd.html
[20:13] <Swagbunoe> nvme_load="YES"
[20:13] <Swagbunoe> okay let me try tha
[20:13] <mikem_> Can anybody help with a update issue?
[20:14] <vfw> mikem_: What is it?
[20:14] <Swagbunoe> mikem_: can you describe the problem in more detail
[20:16] <mikem_> vfw: Swagbunoe: Fresh install of 16.04. An auto update started but then failed
[20:17] <mikem_> I'm looking for my symptom list
[20:17] <vfw> mikem_: what error(s) did you get?
[20:17] <Swagbunoe> mikem_: start at /var/log.syslog
[20:17] <Swagbunoe> $ tail /var/log/syslog
[20:18] <vfw> mikem_: Does this computer have an internet connection?
[20:23] <mikem_> vfw: some program got stuck at "Configuring grub-pc". So I killed all the updater and dpkg processes. Then I was trying to install intltool to install something else. It too got stuck at the same point. But I was able to select the device as /dev/sda. That seems to have worked since I can reboot.
[20:23] <yorwos> i added the kxstudio repositories , but when i update it seems as if they arent installed (ub.studio 16.04) . check etc/apt/sources.list no kxstudio in there and in etc/apt/sources.list.d/ all kxstudio repo files are 0kb except a few .old files , any ideas what i could be doing wrong ?
[20:24] <mikem_> vfw: yes, internet connected
[20:24] <oerheks> yorwos,  ppa has its own list now in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ folder
[20:24] <oerheks> yorwos, what ppa did you add? https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa ??
[20:25] <leftyfb> oerheks: he already mentioned checking there and that structure isn't anything new
[20:25] <yorwos> i did run the kxstudio-repos.deb +  kxstudio-repos-gcc5.deb from the website
[20:25] <rx-natasha-marry> hello
[20:26] <leftyfb> yorwos: that ppa hasn't been updated in almost 5 years. If you NEED to install from it, you'll need to add the repo manually and include "precise" as the release as opposed to the release you're running
[20:26] <oerheks> current is https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-debian/+archive/ubuntu/kxstudio
[20:27] <yorwos> waa id like the latest ppa , is the one u typed above the latest ?
[20:27] <Jamin> When installing Linux to a computer that doesn't have a keyboard/mouse or monitor, but is physically plugged into my router, can I use my Windows PC hooked to the same router to remotely walk through the install steps?
[20:27] <oerheks> Their webpage is not really clear about this
[20:27] <leftyfb> yorwos: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kxstudio-debian/kxstudio
[20:27] <leftyfb> it is
[20:27] <leftyfb> it supports xenial and zesty
[20:27] <Jamin> Or do I have to take my Window PC's keyboard and monitor to temporarily hook it up to the Linux box I'm installing?
[20:28] <leftyfb> Jamin: not unless you have a serial console cable between them and setup console redirection in the installer
[20:28] <oerheks> Jamin, there is no remote access, so yes, hook them up
[20:28] <leftyfb> Jamin: it's easier to just plug in the monitor and keyboard
[20:28] <Jamin> Okay, thanks you two
[20:31] <mikem_> vfw: has anybody else run into these configuring grub issues? Laptop came preinstalled from system 76
[20:31] <user___> can i use hyper-v with ubuntu?
[20:32] <oerheks> user___, turn it around: yes you can run ubuntu in hyperv
[20:32] <oerheks> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/virtualization/hyper-v/supported-ubuntu-virtual-machines-on-hyper-v
[20:32] <oerheks> 17.04 is not on it (yet)
[20:33] <user___> so i can use a older virsion?
[20:33] <user___> and thank you for the link
[20:33] <oerheks> i think 17.04 should just work fine, like 16.10, but that page is not up2date
[20:35] <user___> must it be updated by micro$oft to run 17.04
[20:35] <oerheks> the instructions would be the same as 16.04/16.10
[20:36] <user___> ok thank you i will get on to it now. :)
[20:45] <mikem_> quit:
[20:45] <mikem_> Quit:
[20:49] <amirite> you're all a bunch of turds
[20:50] <KristijanZic> guys, I use 17.04 and it seems that ifconfig is not installed by default on it. Has there been a change in nic utility? Is there another default tool on 17.04?
[20:50] <leftyfb> amirite: you're the one running an IRC client as root
[20:50] <oerheks> ifconfig is old, ip is the current  tool
[20:50] <leftyfb> KristijanZic: try sudo ifconfig
[20:51] <oerheks> ifconfig still works here, without sudo
[20:51] <amirite> im running it in a docker container
[20:51] <amirite> hack away
[20:51] <amirite>  /dcc get /tmp/botnet.sh
[20:52] <KristijanZic> leftyfb: nothing, it's not installed
[20:52] <leftyfb> amirite: you can leave now since you feel you're better than us all
[20:52] <oerheks> ip addr show
[20:53] <DocMAX> hi, why is my system freezing when the nfs server goes offline and im still mounted with mount.nfs? i set options to soft,timeo=5. umount -l /mnt freezes! anything i can do instead rebooting?
[20:53] <oerheks> KristijanZic, a few examples for the ip command > https://www.tecmint.com/ip-command-examples/
[20:53] <geirha> ifconfig has been deprecated since 2011, so I guess 17.04 finally removed it
[20:54] <oerheks> geirha, i read this a lot, but my fresh 17.04 still has the util
[20:55] <KristijanZic> oerheks: thank you, that will help me.
[20:56] <KristijanZic> I think ifconfig had a cleaner output
[20:56] <geirha> no, ip is easier to parse
[20:56] <geirha> try ip -o -4 addr show
[20:57] <backdrop> Do you still edit ip settings in /etc/network/interface ?
[20:57] <yorwos> deleted all kxstudio* in etc/apt/sources.list.d then uninstalled and reinstalled the deb files from main website and it updated normally
[20:57] <blkadder> DocMax Have you tried umount -f?
[20:57] <DocMAX> yes
[20:57] <DocMAX> even killing nfsd
[20:57] <oerheks> yorwos, yay, have fun!
[20:57] <yorwos> :D
[20:58] <KristijanZic> geirha thanks, I'm already getting used to it :)
[20:59] <KristijanZic> So I see that we are back to the old naming of network interfaces?
[20:59] <blkadder> DocMAX, Are there open files on the system from the NFS server?
[21:00] <hfp> Hi all, I'm confused about two things on 17.04: 1. I thought this version didn't use a swap partition anymore if you did a fresh install; but I have an 8GB swap partition instead of a swap file after doing a fresh install. What did I miss? 2. I thought 17.04 came with driverless printing. But To setup my Brother HL2270DW, I still need to search and install drivers. What am I doing wrong?
[21:01] <DocMAX> blkadder, check with lsof?
[21:02] <KristijanZic> hfp: are you sure it's not just a boot and a filesystem partition?
[21:02] <blkadder> Yes
[21:02] <DocMAX> how to check best?
[21:02] <DocMAX> lsof /mountpoint ?
[21:02] <blkadder> Yep
[21:02] <hopy> how to install lighttpd ??
[21:02] <blkadder> lsof | grep mountpoint
[21:02] <DocMAX> no open files
[21:03] <DocMAX> the system operates normal
[21:03] <DocMAX> but when doing "umount -l -f /mountpoint" the console simply freezes... but i can come back with CTRL+C
[21:03] <nacc> hfp: did you have ubuntu installed previously?
[21:03] <hopy> can someone please guide to install lighttpd in ubuntu ??
[21:04] <blkadder> Are there any users on the system that are cd'd in the mountpoint?
[21:04] <nacc> hopy: sudo apt install lighttpd?
[21:04] <emmett> hi
[21:04] <DocMAX> blkadder, how to check this?
[21:04] <hopy> nacc : are you sure ?
[21:04] <DocMAX> but no, dont think so
[21:05] <nacc> hopy: did you try it?
[21:05] <hopy> no
[21:05] <emmett> are you guys real people
[21:05] <hopy> ill try it now
[21:05] <nacc> emmett: yes.
[21:05] <emmett> ok just cheaking
[21:06] <emmett> hello
[21:06] <nacc> emmett: hello, do you ahve an ubuntu support question?
[21:06] <nacc> hopy: that's the name of the package at least
[21:06] <blkadder> DocMax what does "who" give you?
[21:06] <hopy> nacc: i goit an error
[21:07] <nacc> hopy: use a pastebin and show the exact command and output
[21:07] <emmett> do you guys like DOCTOR WHO
[21:08] <nacc> emmett: that is not ontopic for this channel
[21:08] <nacc> !ot | emmett
[21:08] <hopy> nacc : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24595007/
[21:08] <emmett> wait are you a you tuber
[21:08] <nacc> hopy: what version of ubuntu?
[21:09] <nacc> hopy: did you run `sudo apt update` first?
[21:09] <hopy> nacc; i don't know but it's not the newest
[21:09] <Jordan_U> emmett: If your next comment is not directly related to Ubuntu support I will remove you from the channel.
[21:09] <nacc> hopy: `lsb_release -d` will say
[21:09] <hopy> nacc : when i run sudo apt-get update i get an error as well
[21:10] <emmett> jrdan i ill ban yu
[21:10] <nacc> hopy: then something else is wrong, can you pastebin that outupt?
[21:10] <Jordan_U> emmett: Please join #ubuntu-ops if you wish to discuss your ban.
[21:10] <nacc> Jordan_U: thanks
[21:11] <DJoe> Currently using Ubuntu 14.04 and I tried to setup xenial-backports (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports)
[21:12] <DJoe> But there is no sight of updates after apt-get
[21:12] <nacc> DJoe: no, that's not how it works
[21:12] <nacc> DJoe: you don't set up xenial-backports on trusty
[21:12] <nacc> DJoe: you set up trusty-backports
[21:12] <nacc> DJoe: did you read the help page you just referred to?
[21:12] <DJoe> nacc: the sources.list already contain trusty-backporst
[21:12] <DJoe> yes
[21:13] <nacc> DJoe: then there are no backports for your release
[21:13] <nacc> DJoe: installing a xenial-backport in trusty is not supported
[21:13] <DJoe> fak me
[21:14] <leftyfb> DJoe: why not upgrade to xenial?
[21:14] <DJoe> leftyfb: Because I'm waiting for .5 release
[21:15] <DJoe> leftyfb: Then I make an image of my drive
[21:15] <nacc> DJoe: it doesn't make any sense to want packages from 16.04 but not 16.04 itself
[21:15] <nacc> DJoe: if your concern is stability, that is
[21:15] <hopy> nacc: i get this when i try updating http://paste.ubuntu.com/24595043/
[21:15] <nacc> hopy: well, i asked what release you are on for a reason
[21:16] <nacc> hopy: you are on vivid == 15.04 which has been end-of-life for a while
[21:16] <nacc> !eol | hopy
[21:16] <leftyfb> DJoe: i'm pretty sure that won't be till late next year. Why the wait?
[21:16] <hopy> nacc : what should i do to instal lighttpd ?
[21:16] <nacc> leftyfb: earlier they said 'stability'
[21:17] <nacc> hopy: right the faq from ubottu, you are on an unsupported release, you need to upgrade first
[21:17] <DJoe> leftyfb: I was using 12.04 until 14.04.5 was released. Then I installed W10 1607 and U14.04.5 and made an image
[21:18] <hopy> nacc : how to upgrde my system ?
[21:18] <nacc> hopy: read the faq from ubottu.
[21:18] <nacc> hopy: if you have no data you care about, you're better of reinstalling
[21:19] <ChaiTRex> hopy: Also, pick 16.04 if you don't want to upgrade again for a while. Unlike 17.04, which is only good until later this year, 16.04 is good until April 2021.
[21:19] <hopy> nacc : i have data i care about !
[21:19] <nacc> hopy: then read the faq.
[21:19] <nacc> hopy: and pay better attention to support duration of ubuntu releases
[21:19] <nacc> hopy: you haven't been getting updates for more than a eyar
[21:19] <nacc> *year
[21:19] <DJoe> nacc: Yes, you are right. But when I tried 14.04.3, it used to crash sometimes. My main concern is with the system itself, not the softwares
[21:20] <nacc> DJoe: ... system *is* software
[21:20] <nacc> DJoe: if you mean the kernel, and you're on 14.04.5, then just stay on the 16.04.1 kernel
[21:20] <DJoe> nacc: I mean, the applications...
[21:20] <leftyfb> DJoe: 16.04 is pretty stable
[21:20] <DJoe> nacc: Hmm, I see...
[21:20] <leftyfb> i'd sy more-so than 14.04
[21:21] <nacc> DJoe: i feel like you're operating from a bad understanding of Ubuntu HWE
[21:22] <DJoe> leftyfb: Do you think there is a lot more to polis in 16.04 until .5 release?
[21:22] <nacc> DJoe: but additionally, if you can make images, make an image of what you're on now and then upgrade
[21:22] <Jordan_U> DJoe: I too would expect 16.04 to be more stable than 14.04 with backports. That said, nobody can guarantee that you won't run into more problems with your particular hardware/software/usage in 16.04 than you currently have with 14.04.
[21:22] <nacc> DJoe: i don't understand (at all) why if you have backup images, upgrading later is better
[21:22] <DJoe> nacc: Sorry, I don't get your last statement
[21:23] <nacc> DJoe: you said you make images of your system
[21:23] <DJoe> Jordan_U: I see
[21:23] <nacc> DJoe: so you can always go back if something goes wrong?
[21:23] <DJoe> nacc: I usually go back from time to time to get a fresh install
[21:23] <nacc> DJoe: I'm not sure why that's relevant?
[21:23] <leftyfb> how is that a fresh install? It's an image of a non-fresh install
[21:23] <leftyfb> doesn't make any sense
[21:23] <nacc> DJoe: either way you have 'good images' that you go back to
[21:24] <DJoe> nacc: Yes, fresh installation. I don't make an image everytime.
[21:24] <nacc> DJoe: but you can.
[21:24] <nacc> DJoe: of what you have now that is stable
[21:24] <nacc> DJoe: and then upgrade or reinstall or whatever. Use it, if it works, great. If it doesn't, go back to your image.
[21:26] <DJoe> nacc: Well, that is what I do (?)
[21:27] <nacc> DJoe: right, so why wait to upgrade??
[21:27] <nacc> DJoe: you really aren't making any sense to me, I'm sorry
[21:27] <Toxtlo> in my computer I only have an SSD, is it wise to have a swap partition, regarding lifetime of the SSD?
[21:27] <nacc> Toxtlo: depends on your workload
[21:27] <DJoe> nacc: I don't mean to bother too much lol.
[21:28] <Toxtlo> from what I know, swap is used when RAM is full and when I need hybernation?
[21:28] <ChaiTRex> Toxtlo: If you don't exceed your RAM that much, it's fine. You can set swappiness to 1 to minimize impacts.
[21:28] <DJoe> nacc: just tell me if I'm wrong: in .5 release, the version 16.04 will be more polish than it current point release.
[21:29] <Doow> Hi, if sudo kill -9 <pid> doesn't kill my unresponsive firefox process, what do I do? can I kill it even harder?
[21:29] <Toxtlo> I got plenty now, wont exceed it and I dont hybernate it
[21:29] <ChaiTRex> Toxtlo: If you do exceed your RAM a lot, you still need it, though, I guess.
[21:29] <leftyfb> DJoe: that's not really what point releases are all about. It's mainly security and major bug fixes and maintenance.
[21:29] <nacc> Toxtlo: then you don't need swap
[21:29] <nacc> DJoe: point releases are just snapshots
[21:29] <DJoe> leftyfb: Major bug fixes, what I'm also concerned
[21:29] <nacc> DJoe: of the archive at a certain date, with a default HWE kernel
[21:29] <leftyfb> DJoe: Now, going from 14.04 to 16.04, that's more polish
[21:29] <Toxtlo> ok, thank you :-)
[21:30] <DJoe> nacc: I know, but in these 2 years after the first release, a lot of bugs will be fix, isn't it?
[21:30] <ChaiTRex> Toxtlo: In that case, set swappiness to 1 in /etc/sysctl.conf. See https://askubuntu.com/a/103916/616451
[21:30] <nacc> DJoe: a lot of bugs have already been fixed
[21:30] <leftyfb> DJoe: yes, but not as many as with your 14.04 :)
[21:30] <Toxtlo> ok, will take a look
[21:31] <DJoe> nacc: leftyfb: So how long could I wait before upgrading, say, from 16.04 to 18.04 in the next lts release?
[21:31] <DJoe> because every lts release has a lot of bugs
[21:31] <nacc> DJoe: however long you want?
[21:31] <leftyfb> DJoe: personally, I always wait until .1
[21:31] <DJoe> .1 release is enough?
[21:31] <nacc> DJoe: and i upgrade before the release is even out
[21:31] <leftyfb> for me, yes
[21:31] <nacc> DJoe: and always am running the current release
[21:31] <nacc> well except for these few months while the release is churning :)
[21:32] <leftyfb> nacc: you're a kernel dev ... not exactly the typical ubuntu user :)
[21:32] <Alives> systemd question: is there a directive to specify a command to run to check the health/state of the defined service, then the exit code of that command determines if the main service is working or not?
[21:32] <DJoe> leftyfb: yep
[21:32] <nacc> leftyfb: I *was* a kernel dev :-P but yeah, ubuntu dev regardless :)
[21:32] <DJoe> nacc: lol
[21:33] <nacc> DJoe: i'd agree with leftyfb though, .1 is sufficient
[21:33] <leftyfb> nacc: oh man, were you part of the purge with me last month?
[21:34] <DJoe> nacc: leftyfb: ok, thank you again
[21:35] <nacc> DJoe: np -- in any case, i'd say if you want newer applications, go ahead and upgrade to 16.04 now
[21:37] <DJoe> nacc: lol I think desire for the latests version is more of a whim
[21:37] <Aginor> hey ubuntu-devs, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cifs-utils/+bug/1687273 against the right package? it seems like a kernel regression to me, not cifs-util
[21:37] <DJoe> nacc: But I'm feeling more confortable now to upgrade
[21:38] <Swagbunoe> Hello I'm trying to install ubuntu along side my windows 10 home os. I'm trying to install ubuntu on the same NVMe M.2 ssd as where I installed windows on. I already freed up some space via windows, however the ssd is not there at all when im trying to walkthrough the install instruction for ubuntu which i booted via UEFI usb.
[21:38] <nacc> Aginor: wrong channel for ubuntu developer requests
[21:39] <Aginor> nacc: could you please direct me at the right channel?
[21:39] <nacc> Aginor: probably #ubuntu-devel
[21:39] <Aginor> nacc: thank you
[21:39] <nacc> Aginor: i'm looking, though
[21:41] <Doow> Is there an easy way to see what packages were explicitly installed on a machine?
[21:41] <Aginor> nacc: I'll hold off asking in #ubuntu-devel then
[21:41] <nacc> Aginor: i just added a task
[21:42] <Aginor> nacc: thank you
[21:42] <nacc> Aginor: it'll be up to the kernel team to triage it
[21:43] <Aginor> nacc: that's fair enough
[21:43] <DJoe> nacc: One last thing: is this a good reference? http://www.tldp.org/LDP/lkmpg/2.6/html/index.html
[21:44] <DJoe> nacc: I'm trying the eudyptula challenge
[21:44] <nacc> DJoe: given that it says 2.6, i'm assuming not :)
[21:44] <nacc> DJoe: also, last updated in 2007, so no.
[21:44] <Aginor> DJoe: it's a good starting point, but there's *a lot* of changes between a 2.6 and a 4-series kernel
[21:44] <DJoe> I'm aware of the changes
[21:45] <DJoe> nacc: but for stating point
[21:45] <nacc> DJoe: if you're aware of all the changes between 2.6 and 4.x then you don't need a website to help you.
[21:45] <DJoe> Aginor: while I'm looking for another reference
[21:45] <nacc> DJoe: in any case, not ontopic for this channel
[21:45] <DJoe> nacc: LOL I'm aware that there was a lot of changes, not the changes itself
[21:46] <DJoe> nacc: ok, ok hahahaha thx
[21:46] <Aginor> DJoe: it'd probably be shorter to list what hasn't changed
[21:46] <Ichimusai> Exactly
[21:46] <Ichimusai> Manu fundamental things have changed including virtual memory and scheduling
[21:46] <hfp> KristijanZic: Yes it's my 155GB main partition and 8GB swap
[21:47] <hfp> nacc: I did, but I zeroed the drive before (wanted to check for bad sectors)
[21:47] <hfp> using DBAN
[21:47] <DJoe> Aginor: or find a new reference?
[21:48] <nacc> hfp: sorry, i have no context at this point
[21:48] <Aginor> DJoe: I'm happy to discuss kernel devel stuff, but this isn't the right channel, let's be respectful :)
[21:48] <nacc> hfp: you did what? or what is your issue?
[21:49] <DJoe> Aginor: Can you point the right channel for further discussion?
[21:49] <DJoe> Aginor: I mean, is there other channel that you visit from time to time?
[21:50] <hfp> nacc: I was asking why after installing 17.04 from scratch I don't have a swap file but a swap partition
[21:51] <Aginor> DJoe: I'm not an active kernel developer, but a google search hints at #linux-kernel on this neetwork of @kernelnewbies on the oftc network
[21:51] <DJoe> Aginor: Ok, thank you
[21:57] <Hawk_v3> Can I get a hand with a 17.04 install on a Dell Inspiron 3000 series laptop? It had to be in nomodeset and acpi=off to run the installer, but that displayed fine. Now the install needs to be with those modes removed, and runs in low graphics mode, except when it boots with a monitor in the HDMI port, in which case both the laptop and external screens display perfectly.
[21:58] <Toxtlo> when choosing ext4 as filesystem, the installation manager says, it cannot encrypt it, do I have to use ext3 for root and home? O.o
[21:58] <Toxtlo> or is there a way around that?
[22:05] <KristijanZic> hfp: what output do you get when you run "cat /proc/swaps" ?
[22:07] <hashwagon> Anyone here use konsole terminal emulator? It's automatically pasting # comments when I paste something with a # in it.
[22:09] <KristijanZic> hashwagon: are you sure you are not passing a command with a break in it?
[22:10] <KristijanZic> pasting*
[22:11] <Swagbunoe> Hello I'm trying to install ubuntu along side my windows 10 home os. I'm trying to install ubuntu on the same NVMe M.2 ssd as where I installed windows on. I already freed up some space via windows, however the ssd is not there at all when im trying to walkthrough the install instruction for ubuntu which i booted via UEFI usb.
[22:11] <Swagbunoe> Might it be that Ubuntu is not able to find Windows Boot Manager?
[22:11] <hashwagon> KristijanZic: I'm pasting a yaml state file. If I don't copy any of the commented lines it'll paste just fine. So I thought it was some weird feature I could disable.
[22:12] <hashwagon> This is while I'm in vim as well I'll add
[22:14] <KristijanZic> my client crashed, if anyone responded, please repeat it :)
[22:14] <hashwagon> KristijanZic: I'm pasting a yaml state file. If I don't copy any of the commented lines it'll paste just fine. So I thought it was some weird feature I could disable.
[22:14] <hashwagon> But my yaml file is 300+ lines and I want to leave the comments intact
[22:15] <KristijanZic> you are pasting that to what? bash?
[22:16] <KristijanZic> or vim or something?
[22:18] <hashwagon> I'm pasting from within a single file in vim via konsole terminal
[22:18] <hashwagon> I'd assume it's konsole throwing in all the comments, but  maybe vim?
[22:19] <hashwagon> It only pastes comments everywhere if there's a single comment pasted.
[22:19] <hashwagon> copied to be more accurate.
[22:19] <KristijanZic> and the comments don't show when you paste if I've understood you correctly?
[22:19] <KristijanZic> I didn't understand you
[22:19] <hashwagon> Yeah if I only copy non-commented lines it pastes as expected.
[22:20] <hashwagon> No worries. Kind of hard for me to explain. Google didn't turn anything up.
[22:20] <KristijanZic> and if you copy with the comments?
[22:21] <KristijanZic> hashwagon:^
[22:21] <hashwagon> If I copy say 10 lines and only 1 of them was originally commented, every line is then pasted with a comment infront of it.
[22:22] <KristijanZic> ah yes
[22:22] <KristijanZic> hashwagon: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7736006/vim-inserting-comments-while-copy-pasting
[22:23] <hashwagon> Ah I originally thought it was konsole, but may be vim. Thanks! I'll check that out now.
[22:24] <KristijanZic> hashwagon: It's not vim, it's the user but I totally get you :)
[22:27] <KristijanZic> hfp: If you indeed have a swap partition, do this to create and point to a swap file: https://askubuntu.com/questions/904628/default-17-04-swap-file-location
[22:27] <hashwagon> KristijanZic: thanks a ton. That :set paste did the trick!!
[22:28] <KristijanZic> hashwagon: any time, glad you've solved it :)
[22:55] <hfp> KristijanZic: This is `cat /proc/swaps': http://termbin.com/a8w6
[22:57] <leeservers> hi
[23:00] <tomreyn> hi leeservers
[23:00] <MiguelFuller> hello I'm having bad luck with my problem on askubuntu forum. I need to reconfigure my nic fa510 on xubuntu. is working very slow.I tried using manual speed with no success
[23:02] <mattpalermo> Hello, this morning I found that the australian ubuntu mirror au.archive.ubuntu.com is returning 403 for all requests. Can anyone confirm?
[23:02] <KristijanZic> hfp: If you indeed have a swap partition, do this to create and point to a swap file: https://askubuntu.com/questions/904628/default-17-04-swap-file-location
[23:03] <Ben64> mattpalermo: yep
[23:03] <rdh> mattpalermo, yes
[23:04] <mattpalermo> Thanks guys. I re-installed ubuntu before I figured out it was just the server *doh* haha.
[23:05] <tomreyn> MiguelFuller: how do you mean 'manual speed', which xubuntu release is it, and how do you measure that your NIC 'works very slow'?
[23:05] <hfp> KristijanZic: I did it, and changed the /etc/fstab entry. Then I think I'll need to remove the swap partition from the LVM to reclaim the space, right?
[23:05] <rdh> mattpalermo, >.< you don't need to treat *nix like win lol
[23:06] <tomreyn> hfp: are you replacing a swap partition by a swap file? and if so, why?
[23:07] <ax562> anyone using 17.04 lts?
[23:08] <Ben64> ax562: no, because 17.04 is not lts
[23:08] <nacc> ax562: 17.04 is not an lts
[23:08] <tomreyn> ax562: most likely, please ask your actual question
[23:08] <ax562> really I thought .04 was lts
[23:08] <tomreyn> okay, most likely someone here uses 17.04 (non-lts)
[23:08] <ax562> my bad
[23:08] <nacc> !lts | ax562
[23:08] <ax562> so the last lts is?
[23:08] <nacc> ax562: every two years, not every year.
[23:08] <Ben64> next lts is 18.04
[23:08] <mattpalermo> rdh: I would never dare reinstall windows unless I really needed to (you know, with all the license stuff). Ubuntu is so quick to reinstall that I do it on a rainy day for fun :P
[23:09] <ax562> how can you figure out the flavor installed?
[23:09] <ax562> or version or whatever
[23:09] <tomreyn> mattpalermo: you could use au2.archive.ubuntu.com for now
[23:09] <nacc> ax562: flavor is like gnome ubuntu, kubuntu, etc. the desktop makes it quite obvious
[23:10] <Ben64> ax562: cat /etc/issue
[23:10] <nacc> ax562: version is `lsb_release -d`
[23:10] <Ben64> or that
[23:10] <nacc> yeah :)
[23:11] <ax562> lol im on the latest
[23:11] <ax562> lts anyways
[23:12] <ax562> thank you
[23:12] <ax562> been pc mia for a min
[23:12] <tomreyn> ubottu is wrong there, 16.04.2 is the latest, not .1
[23:13] <ax562> yes tomreyn that is the version im on
[23:13] <nacc> tomreyn: true, that could probably be updated, but it's mostly about the hwe stack at that point
[23:13] <nacc> tomreyn: uptodate 16.04.1 = uptodate 16.04.2 for all packages excep kerenl and X
[23:14] <ax562> would grub change version number?
[23:14] <tomreyn> how do we update the factoid db? i assume it requires being added to ubottus access list?
[23:14] <nacc> ax562: in what context?
[23:14] <Ben64> !lts is LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions are supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Xenial (Xenial Xerus 16.04.2). Ubuntu !flavors may have different support durations, check their release notes for information.
[23:14] <Ben64> like that
[23:15] <Ben64> and it gets logged and sent to ops for review
[23:15] <tomreyn> cool thanks Ben
[23:15] <ax562> as in my grub updated recently and not sure if that would ++ version number
[23:15] <nacc> ax562: the major version of grub won't change likely. But the version of the grub package will of course change.
[23:16] <grandad> Can anyone recommend an onsite Ubunto primer to someone absolutely non techy but has a mini laptop running ubunto?
[23:16] <grandad> Online
[23:16] <Ben64> !manual | grandad
[23:16] <mattpalermo> tomreyn: Thanks, I was just using archive.ubuntu.com but I'll try that one.
[23:16] <TeddyT2> Hi folks, can anyone tell me what kind of logging libvncserver carries out by default on Ubuntu?
[23:16] <TeddyT2> i.e where does it normally log to, if anywhere, and does it log hostnames of incoming connections etc?
[23:17] <ax562> so what exactly changes the version number?
[23:18] <nacc> ax562: what version number? can you be more precise in your question? the package or grub's version?
[23:18] <grandad> Wow that was fast.  Thanks ubottu.
[23:18] <tomreyn> mattpalermo: it is a library. the application which makes use of it will handle the logging
[23:19] <leeservers> hi
[23:19] <ax562> well lets say I had 16.04.1 then I upgraded, now system shows 16.04.2...what packages cause a increment in ubuntu version number?
[23:19] <tomreyn> leeservers: hi, once again ;)
[23:19] <tomreyn> i mean once more
[23:19] <TeddyT2> tomreyn: Sorry, ill rephrase, if someone uses the VNC solution which comes with ubuntu
[23:21] <nacc> ax562: base-files
[23:21] <leeservers> hi
[23:21] <nacc> ax562: via /etc/lsb-release and /etc/issue
[23:21] <leeservers> what does s quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactiv mean?
[23:22] <rud0lf> grandad: *cough* ubottu is a support bot
[23:22] <rud0lf> Ben64 was the person that helped :)
[23:22] <nacc> leeservers: not really an ubuntu question, but it means someone's client dropped it's connection to the IRC server (iirc)
[23:22] <tomreyn> TeddyT2: i assume you are referring to vino(-server) then. it doesn't seem to log to a file by default, but rather outputs to stdout/err. which may mean that its output ends up in ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg.*.log.
[23:23] <leeservers> ‏‎‏km
[23:30] <TeddyT2> tomreyn: So it only outputs errors to those logs, rather than routine output for every connection?
[23:32] <tomreyn> TeddyT2: i don't exactly know what it logs, sorry. but you can check these logs as well as /var/log/auth.log for authentication related information.
[23:33] <TeddyT2> tomreyn I had a quick look and it doesn't appear to do any logging at all really, unless specifically modified to do so
[23:37] <tomreyn> TeddyT2: yes, it may not log itself - that's entirely possible. it may, however, generate output which is then captured by the invoking / a master process and could be handled (written to a log file) by that. whether or not that's the case by default on ubuntu, I do not know.
[23:56] <MiguelFuller> tomreyn: cause my internet and lan speed is less than 100kb/s when it should be 10 times 100 times faster
[23:56] <MiguelFuller> tomreyn: I use link-speed and link-duplex on /etc/network/interfaces
[23:59] <ikonia> MiguelFuller: let it auto negotiate - what is it's speed