[00:45] <balloons> Right, we still have a bunch of trusty no worries
[00:45] <balloons> Ty for review
[01:03] <axw> hml: for things to do after the sprint: Australia Zoo is pretty close to the sprint location. I didn't think it was that great of a zoo, but if you want to see kangaroos and koalas, there's that
[01:04] <axw> there's a bus that goes there, or you could drive pretty easily if you feel like driving on the wrong side of the road
[01:04] <hml> axw: I saw a koalas santuary near Brisbane?
[01:04] <axw> hml: oh yeah, I think it's near wallyworld's house actually :)
[01:04] <hml> axw: i’ve driven in Ireland, hopefully the roads are wider.  :-)
[01:04] <axw> probably
[01:05] <axw> haven't been to ireland
[01:05] <wallyworld> hml: the koala place is 3 minutes away from me
[01:05] <axw> but given the rest of europe...
[01:05] <wallyworld> there's another place closer to the venue; the steve irwin place
[01:05] <hml> axw: the roads are scarey small in the country side - and easy to find ones with grass down the middle
[01:05] <wallyworld> crocodile hunter and all that
[01:05] <axw> (that's Australia Zoo)
[01:06] <hml> wallyworld: :-)
[01:06] <wallyworld> we can organise an excursion there if people are interested; a group booking
[01:07] <axw> wallyworld: if we can have the team dinner at https://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Restaurant_Review-g261638-d1745794-Reviews-Spice_Bar-Mooloolaba_Sunshine_Coast_Queensland.html I wouldn't be unhappy ;)  not sure if it's within budget
[01:09] <wallyworld> axw: we'll sort something out :-) I was also thinking of Spirit House as a possibility
[01:09] <axw> wallyworld: in Yandina?
[01:09] <wallyworld> yeah
[01:09] <axw> wallyworld: looks nice
[01:10] <axw> might be nice to get off the strip
[01:10] <wallyworld> it is - have been there. very good food. but your place looks nice also. degausation too
[01:11] <wallyworld> we can take inpt from the group to decide :-)
[01:11] <wallyworld> easy enough to organise a minibus if needed
[01:11] <wallyworld> i'll organise stuff next week once things are locked in
[01:12] <axw> yup
[01:22] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7336 is updated. there are 2 commits - the 2nd one is the changes due to the rebase. whenever you get a chance is fine
[01:28]  * thumper takes dog for a walk
[01:44] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ok, will look once I get to the bottom of this subordinate thing - I feel like I've nearly got it.
[01:44] <wallyworld> \o/
[01:44] <wallyworld> no rush
[02:18] <wgrant> babbageclunk: Thanks for looking at the subordinate bug.
[02:18] <babbageclunk> wgrant: :) I haven't fixed it yet!
[02:21] <wgrant> babbageclunk: I have a suspicion that this it might be related to a couple of the remove-application issues as well, since they mostly involve subordinates.
[02:22] <wgrant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1655486 is one
[02:22] <mup> Bug #1655486: removal of principal ceph-osd charm stuck in 'executing' state <sts> <OpenStack ceph-osd charm:Incomplete> <juju:Triaged> <ceph-osd (Juju Charms Collection):Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1655486>
[02:25] <babbageclunk> wgrant: ok, I'll keep that in mind, thanks
[02:26] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: you may get to fix 2 or 3 bugs in one go - legend
[02:35]  * babbageclunk isn't counting chickens
[03:00] <wallyworld> axw: babbageclunk: just off for a bit to take son to get stitches out, bbiab
[03:00] <axw> ok, later
[03:31] <axw> wallyworld: when you're back, please take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7355
[04:05] <babbageclunk> axw: free for a moment? I think I understand the subordinate problem but not sure how to fix it.
[04:15] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: back from the hospital yet?
[04:19]  * babbageclunk is lonely
[04:34] <menn0> jam: I can't make the standup, or the start at least. it's chaos here and I need to do a kid pickup.
[04:34] <menn0> babbageclunk: quick call?
[04:35] <jam> k
[04:39] <jam> menn0: I take it the CAAS call has already ended?
[04:40] <menn0> jam: yes
[05:23] <axw> babbageclunk: sorry went out, do you still need me?
[05:24] <babbageclunk> axw: No, I talked about it with thumper, I think it makes sense.
[05:24] <axw> babbageclunk: ok, cool
[05:25] <babbageclunk> axw: thanks though! I added it to the bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1686696
[05:25] <mup> Bug #1686696: Subordinate units won't die until all principal relations are gone <juju:Triaged by 2-xtian> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686696>
[05:27] <axw> babbageclunk: sounds logical to me. maybe call it WatchUnitRelations though
[05:28] <babbageclunk> axw: yeah, I am - forgot to update the comment.
[05:28] <babbageclunk> axw: Cheers!
[07:27] <wallyworld> axw: sorry, totally missed the ping, looking now
[07:45] <axw> wallyworld: thanks
[07:45] <wallyworld> np
[08:48] <rogpeppe> axw, wallyworld: any chance of a review of some of this API client refactoring? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7338
[08:51] <axw> rogpeppe: will look shortly
[08:51] <rogpeppe> axw: tyvm
[09:30] <axw> rogpeppe: just one trivial. good stuff, thank you
[09:30] <rogpeppe> axw: thanks!
[09:46] <wpk> wallyworld: re: landscape tests failing, I have a fix, I'm writing a test and will have a PR in a few minutes
[10:29] <wpk> wallyworld: jam: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7357 short one, simple one
[10:30] <jam> wpk: saw it before you advertised, lgtm
[10:30] <jam> wpk: did you respond to my review of SSH? 7348
[10:31] <wpk> jam: the first one? yes
[10:33] <wpk> I see that all your comments are outdated
[10:38] <jam> ah, I just had to reload the page
[10:39] <wpk> web 2.0...
[10:56] <wpk> When is RC1 scheduled to be released?
[11:14] <wallyworld> wpk: sorry, i was at soccer, bck now. thanks for the fix!
[11:41] <wpk> wallyworld: always reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sD_8prYOxo ;)
[11:51] <wallyworld> wpk: yeah, i like john cleese
[11:58] <wpk> and it's merged.
[12:06] <jam> wpk: I responded to your update
[12:10] <wpk> k, thanks
[13:55] <gsamfira> Hi! Any volunteers for a 2 line PR? :P
[15:07] <mup> Bug #1662272 opened: Agents stop running hooks and are hung <canonical-is> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662272>
[15:19] <mup> Bug #1662272 changed: Agents stop running hooks and are hung <canonical-is> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662272>
[15:22] <mup> Bug #1662272 opened: Agents stop running hooks and are hung <canonical-is> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662272>
[21:17] <thumper> morning
[21:32] <wpk> night
[22:11] <balloons> thumper, wallyworld, I believe https://github.com/juju/juju/commit/fbe29cb10097aa301fba795f449cb617c88420c8 broke backup/restore. Just confirming now, it'll be a bit
[22:14] <thumper> balloons: ta
[22:17] <babbageclunk> wallyworld, thumper: anyone remember the trick for creating subordinate units in tests?
[22:17] <thumper> babbageclunk: can the factory do it?
[22:18] <babbageclunk> thumper: not directly
[22:18] <wallyworld> otp, sorry, give me a sec
[22:18] <wpk> can someone take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7353 ? I made some changes after jam approved it and I'd like to merge it before RC1 if possible
[22:19] <wpk> (and if you think it's ok then $$merge$$ it)
[22:20] <babbageclunk> thumper: ooh, I remember where I had to do it now - ensuring principal units get migrated before subordinates.
[22:24] <babbageclunk> wpk: Looks good to me. Merged!
[22:38] <thumper> wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7363/files
[22:42] <wallyworld> looking
[22:45] <wallyworld> thumper: gret, ty
[22:45] <wallyworld> great
[22:59] <thumper> well poo
[22:59] <thumper> my theory around logs not being queries across models is wrong
[22:59] <babbageclunk> thumper: you and Ada would definitely get on.
[23:03] <thumper> wallyworld: here is another datapoint
[23:03] <thumper> in http://juju-ci.vapour.ws/job/github-check-merge-juju/1087/artifact/artifacts/grant.log
[23:03] <thumper> 22:53:35 ERROR juju.cmd.juju.commands bootstrap.go:492 unable to contact api server after 1 attempts: unable to connect to API: x509: certificate signed by unknown authority
[23:03] <wallyworld> hmmm, joy
[23:22] <thumper> wallyworld: also I can't make the standup today, taking daughter to the Drs
[23:22] <wallyworld> ok
[23:25] <axw> wallyworld: how'd the demo go?
[23:26] <wallyworld> axw: aborted - screen sharing failed
[23:26] <wallyworld> going to retry next week
[23:26] <axw> wallyworld: :(  I thought that was a solved problem
[23:27] <wallyworld> it  worked when i shared the console with conjure-up but sharing a browser window failed. wtf
[23:30] <axw> thumper: that cert error is nothing to do with ssh though. that's about the TLS cert used to connect to the API
[23:30] <axw> I can believe that my changes might have broken backup/restore, but I don't think that particular error is related
[23:31] <thumper> axw: I was raising the point with wallyworld because we talked earlier about cert changes that rogpeppe had been doing recently
[23:31] <axw> thumper: ah ok
[23:32] <thumper> but perhaps the strict host checking is breaking backup / restore
[23:35] <axw> wallyworld: no online travel tool yet?
[23:35] <axw> just got the email, but says to use provider
[23:35] <axw> I can email sarah, just wondering ify ou know
[23:38] <axw> thumper: yes, I think I did break restore. in state/backup/restore.go, the ssh command is running without having any host keys set
[23:39] <axw> thumper: so we should poke them in, they'll be in the state DB