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jbichaduflu: I think your bug is better than the one you marked it a duplicate of, LP: #88202201:54
ubot5Launchpad bug 882022 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Gnome-shell needs some Ubuntu design/theming integration (font, on-off swithch, etc.)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88202201:54
duflujbicha, probably yeah. But I like to give people a chance to pipe up. Some get irate at having their own bugs ignored in favor of newer duplicates01:55
jbichasince gnome-shell/artful is currently already using the Ubuntu font, and we couldn't find anywhere in a default GNOME Shell where the On/Off switch is used any more01:56
dufluWhich is fair, if they're still paying attention01:56
duflu*their old bugs ignored01:56
jbichaok, but you'll need to clean up the bug to be more specific then01:56
duflujbicha, just reversed them01:57
dufluI'm mindful of previous experiences where you have two or more groups of people (two or more bugs) discussing the same issue for years on end, but each group unaware of the existence of the other. It's a strong case for why deduplication is critical; to communication and resolution02:04
dufluAnd as of yesterday a set of three bluez bugs which are effectively the same issue. Need to be delicately merged02:07
dufluSome with hundreds of comments already02:07
sarnoldof course you run the risk of touching bugs with hundreds of comments that it'll just be the place for any random complaints about the package in question. "this is back!" "this was fixed in hardy, please file new bug" etc etc02:08
duflusarnold, I know... but cats can be herded too :)02:11
* sarnold imagines duflu http://imgur.com/gallery/zcPmd02:12
dufluaww02:12
duflusarnold, I mean if you have a deep enough understanding of the issue, and surrounding issues, then you have the authority to declare what "fixed" means and that everyone else should log new bugs02:13
dufluHerding is temporary, before you assign them new cages02:13
sarnoldduflu: yeah, and i fyou're lucky you show up before the bug's grown three heads02:14
robert_ancelljbicha, your bug says:04:37
robert_ancell a user unclicks the checkbox next to04:37
robert_ancell"Snappy Support", gnome-software will be installed since it Depends on04:37
robert_ancellthe Snap plugin.04:37
robert_ancellthat should say "uninstalled", right?04:37
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jibelgood morning06:59
Trevinhomorning jibel07:13
dufluMorning Trevinho, jibel07:17
Trevinhohi duflu07:17
dufluI mean afternoon07:17
oSoMoNgood morning/afternoon folks!07:38
didrockshey jibel, Trevinho, duflu, oSoMoN!08:01
oSoMoNsalut didrocks08:02
willcookemorning08:02
* didrocks didn't check IRC, deep into aws doc08:02
didrocksmorning willcooke08:02
Laneyyo08:02
andyrockgood mooooorning08:02
didrockshey Laney, andyrock08:03
duflusalut didrocks08:03
dufluand andyrock08:03
dufluand all the rocks08:03
dufluAnd Laney08:04
dufluand willcooke, oSoMoN08:04
oSoMoNhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1kftCx5-tA08:05
willcookelol08:06
Laneydeep08:08
seb128good morning desktopers08:16
oSoMoNsalut seb128!08:17
Laneyhi seb128!08:20
Laneyyou good?08:20
Trevinhohi willcooke and Laney08:22
Trevinhoand oSoMoN08:22
Trevinhoand andyrock (but we already sent hearts each other in telegram :-D)08:23
TrevinhoAnyway desktoppers... Happy to see Canonical / Ubuntu logos again in this wiki https://wiki.gnome.org/Hackfests/FracionalScaling2017 :-)08:23
willcookeNice one Trevinho08:24
oSoMoNcool08:24
Laneycute08:24
TrevinhoI should have scaled the 101 more tho :-D08:25
Laneyanyone else going to go?08:25
Laneyguess you're staying out there until then08:25
TrevinhoLaney: yep... 🤓08:26
TrevinhoLaney: as for other people... Well, everybody is welcome. We'll send the ritual mails, but I guess not many others will be there08:26
duflu"* Drawing the Shell UI at a higher resolution than what the logical pixels correspond to." ... mir_proving_server ;)08:31
dufluBonus points for full-screen subpixel rendering08:32
dufluAlthough the extra resources required would probably not be a sensible tradeoff08:33
seb128hey Laney Trevinho oSoMoN willcooke duflu08:35
dufluhey seb12808:35
flexiondotorgMorning desktopers08:56
oSoMoNgood morning flexiondotorg09:00
flexiondotorgo/09:02
Trevinhoduflu: eh. I would have preferred to avoid to downscale resources, but it's the only way we can given the toolkit status nowadays..09:20
Trevinhoduflu: however, if you want to join... You're close enough to :-D09:21
dufluTrevinho, downscaling doesn't hurt if you're doing it on the GPU (like mir_proving_server)09:22
dufluAnd that way the process only have one copy of the texture, rendered at any resolution on any monitor, at any zoom level09:23
dufluBut you have to then start making the Apple assumption[tm]: That is the physical monitor is not so low DPI that the user is bothered by scaling artefacts. Or do as I did in mir_proving_server: Design all textures to be smooth at any down-scale09:25
Trevinhoduflu: yes, sure... in terms of perfomance isn't too much a problem for drawing... But still generating higher textures for any app, even if thta might not ever be drawn in a high dpi monitor is a little a waste..09:28
TrevinhoAnd that's not done in GPU09:28
dufluTrevinho, I'm referring to reused textures (e.g. widgets), not the app window :)09:28
dufluYou load them into GPU memory at the start and then never need to touch them09:29
dufluVery fast09:29
Trevinhoyeah, that's true.. but you know apps redraw.09:29
dufluIndeed. And they don't need to touch system memory then09:29
dufluPartly09:30
dufluThis is all best case scenario. I don't really have a clue if it would work for Gnome code09:30
dufluWell, anything is possible, but "work easily"09:30
dufluWait a minute... Trevinho, so does this mean upstream GTK doesn't have a plan for fractional scaling themselves?09:39
Trevinhoduflu: nope...09:39
Trevinhoduflu: I think we'll discuss about this too. But considering how much has been done so far, this is not feasible.09:40
* duflu checks what year it is09:42
Trevinhoduflu: I know.... The mistake has been done in the past. I made my voice at the time, not too loud, but I did. But now, I think we can't go that way anymore as most of of the gnome world is covered by 'gint scale'09:52
dufluIt's more surprising if you consider how forward-thinking Gnome has been with smooth scrolling and designing for touch09:53
dufluYes, you can have touch, so long as your display is 1366x76809:54
* duflu sets fire to the kitchen10:01
Trevinhoduflu: now our voices can be there though... It's just about getting into the conversation.10:07
Trevinhooh, never mind :-D10:07
jbichaLaney: are you fine with the first option at LP: #1691620 ?11:44
ubot5Launchpad bug 1691620 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Recommend instead of depend on gnome-software-plugin-snap?" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/169162011:44
LaneyWhy is it split out?11:45
LaneyDon't have a strong opinion11:46
jbichaI think having -snap split out is better for Debian, although the -snap plugin does not require snap to be installed11:47
jbichaUbuntu needed the Flatpak and Limba plugins split out, so it kinda made sense to me to split -snap out too11:48
jbichaLaney: are you ok with https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu/revision/523 and dropping the now duplicate autopkgtest there?11:50
LaneyProbably a Suggests would have been okay instead of splitting it, but like I say I don't really mind, you can make it disableable if you want11:51
LaneyI'd rather see tests fixed than disabled, but it's better than not running them11:52
jbichagtk4's meson port hasn't figured out how to get the schemas compiled for the tests yet https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/testsuite/reftests/meson.build#n3911:55
GunnarHjjbicha: I'm about to look into splitting gnome-user-docs into lang specific binaries. I can take the opportunity to rename the binary to gnome-user-docs as you suggested, but if I do, will you make that change in Debian? I suppose it's a good idea to have the same name, even if we tend to bypass the Debian package.12:21
jbichaGunnarHj: yes, probably, if Debian's pkg-gnome team doesn't mind :|12:23
GunnarHjjbicha: Ok.12:23
mitya57Trevinho, you said the appmenu button doesn’t look bad to you, but the screenshot in your last mail shows that it is not true :)13:01
mitya57(not demanding anything, in fact maybe I’ll fix it myself when I have time)13:02
Trevinhomitya57: you got me :-D, but..... Still I just think is a stuble thing, isn't it?13:02
mitya57the circle behind the icon is very ugly13:03
Trevinhomitya57: but really, at first look I didn't see it...13:03
Trevinhomitya57: but it should be trivial to fix, just I had no time yet13:03
mitya57we can either remove the circle completely, or make it a rectangle instead (Adwaita-like)13:04
cyphermoxjbicha: I'm not sure why iio-sensor-proxy was in main in zesty (wasn't prior to that, there was a MIR for geoclue but it doesn't look like iio-sensor-proxy was ever really reviewed / MIRed); and it's been pushed back to universe in artful.13:06
cyphermoxsee https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iio-sensor-proxy/+bug/162121613:07
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1621216 in geoclue (Ubuntu) "[MIR] geoclue-2.0" [Undecided,New]13:07
Laneycyphermox: infini_ty promoted it at the release sprint13:08
Laneywe decided it was OKâ„¢13:08
cyphermoxok, there wasn't clear paperwork about that13:08
Laneyit was showing up on $reports and we were getting those down to 013:08
Laneynope13:08
cyphermoxfair enough13:08
Laneysorry13:08
cyphermoxit's out of main now though13:09
Laneywell something caused it to show up in c-m and it got demoted13:10
jbichag-s-d also recommends iio-sensor-proxy13:13
cyphermoxyup13:15
cyphermoxonce g-s-d is in main, it will pull iio-sensor-proxy too13:15
jbichais that fine? you don't need extra MIR paperwork now because the demotion was just because of the Unity8 reshuffling?13:16
LaneyI hope it's fine13:18
cyphermoxit's fine, I just wanted to understand why things were the way they were, and that I had not hallucinated iio-sensor-proxy in universe13:19
Laneynod13:19
* oSoMoN red tape, bbiab14:16
* oSoMoN is back15:15
* Trevinho Laney: other :not's based reviews for you... Really I don't do it on purpose, but... There's no other way at my eyes :-)16:18
LaneyI wonder how I got so far with barely using it16:19
TrevinhoLaney: I had an evil gag in my mind... But I'll keep it for me :-D16:23
seb128Trevinho, the man who never sleeps16:23
TrevinhoIt's just midnight... Still early :)16:24
seb128:-)16:24
LaneyTrevinho: what's that workaround?16:28
Laneyis it because your stuff didn't get sponsored yet?16:28
TrevinhoLaney: it says: if a headerbar is not a child of a .titlebar, then you can use it as a primary-toolbar16:28
TrevinhoLaney: partially, but mostly related to the fact that it will work also if we want to SRU the theme.16:29
TrevinhoLaney: plus we can remove it once we've fixed the apps, or any of them needs it.16:29
TrevinhoI've found no problem with it so far16:29
Trevinho(before it was applyying that rule to all the headerbars, now i've reduced the spectrum... If you'd test using the rule that there was before my previous branches, it was always using an headerbar drawn as a toolbar)16:30
Laneycan you say: headerbar:not(.titlebar headerbar)?16:33
Laneymaybe with a >16:33
TrevinhoMhmh... let me see16:36
TrevinhoLaney: no that's a syntax error16:37
willcooketaking off a bit earlier tonight.  Going out for dinner for Mrs willcooke's birthday.16:38
Laneyhappy birthday wilhelmina cooke16:38
oSoMoNhappy birthday Mrs willcooke16:38
LaneyTrevinho: guess it has to be a simple selector16:39
Laneyok, fine, just go for it :P16:39
willcookenight all16:39
Trevinhowillcooke: oh, happy BD16:39
Trevinhowell, wife's bd... But he missed anyway :-D16:39
Laneysome scary looking clouds out there16:40
* Laney is going to plant stuff in a minute...16:41
Laneyhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ng516:42
TrevinhoLaney: you're becoming a farmer! :-D16:42
TrevinhoLaney: I've lots of fields if you need them... Well, my parents have, but... Nobody cares. :-D16:43
Laney\o/16:43
TrevinhoJust in difficult areas tho16:43
LaneyI'll have one16:43
Laneyor two, if I can use one for a house16:43
TrevinhoMhmhm... House... that's more complicated... As not all the fields are buildable there. But, well... YOu know, you'll find a solution :-D16:44
TrevinhoYou can have a stall maybe :)16:45
Laneyok, somewhere to park a van ...16:48
Laneythen I can take it to go climbing too16:48
TrevinhoAnd picking mushrooms while doing that.16:52
Laney:-o16:52
TrevinhoAnyway..... I guess i'll go to bed now16:53
Laneyget a silo up with those theme things16:53
Laneyyou can fix them tomorrow16:53
TrevinhoLaney: it's already building ;-)16:53
Laneynice16:53
Trevinhohttps://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/277116:53
TrevinhoI'll land it tomorrow if you don't but some no'es around before ;-)16:54
* Trevinho should go back to adwaita, or everytime he sees a thing he doesn't like, has to trigger the inspector.... And forget about his main task :|16:55
TrevinhoLike now.... Nasty bug!16:57
TrevinhoWhat is that missing right pixel in the terminal!? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/RzFnNdWu/16:57
Trevinhook, adwaita has the same... it seems a terminal bug related to the scrollbar tho... Not going further for now... I'll leave some fun for you too17:00
TrevinhoGood night17:00
Laneyme too17:00
* Laney rushes out17:00
Laneylaters17:00
muktupavelsTrevinho: is it mutter + hidpi?17:25
oSoMoNgood night18:28
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kenvandineseb128, could you create a gnome-3-24 PPA under ~ubuntu-desktop?19:27
kenvandinei don't have perms to do that19:28
kenvandineseb128, figured we should match the ppa name to the platform name19:28
kenvandineseb128, btw, i wanted to name the snap gnome-3-2419:29
kenvandinefeedback appreciated19:29
jbichakenvandine: why don't you use the gnome3-team/gnome3-staging PPA?20:25
jbichaoh, I was thinking GNOME 3.25. What would be in your PPA?20:27
jbicharobert_ancell: good morning, I'm going to push g-software 3.24 to artful unless you object22:43
jbicha3.24.322:43
jbichayou said that you had a problem with it crashing but it seems to be working here so maybe the problem was fixed?22:43
robert_ancelljbicha, no objection if it works for you22:44
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