[01:54] <jbicha> duflu: I think your bug is better than the one you marked it a duplicate of, LP: #882022
[01:55] <duflu> jbicha, probably yeah. But I like to give people a chance to pipe up. Some get irate at having their own bugs ignored in favor of newer duplicates
[01:56] <jbicha> since gnome-shell/artful is currently already using the Ubuntu font, and we couldn't find anywhere in a default GNOME Shell where the On/Off switch is used any more
[01:56] <duflu> Which is fair, if they're still paying attention
[01:56] <duflu> *their old bugs ignored
[01:56] <jbicha> ok, but you'll need to clean up the bug to be more specific then
[01:57] <duflu> jbicha, just reversed them
[02:04] <duflu> I'm mindful of previous experiences where you have two or more groups of people (two or more bugs) discussing the same issue for years on end, but each group unaware of the existence of the other. It's a strong case for why deduplication is critical; to communication and resolution
[02:07] <duflu> And as of yesterday a set of three bluez bugs which are effectively the same issue. Need to be delicately merged
[02:07] <duflu> Some with hundreds of comments already
[02:08] <sarnold> of course you run the risk of touching bugs with hundreds of comments that it'll just be the place for any random complaints about the package in question. "this is back!" "this was fixed in hardy, please file new bug" etc etc
[02:11] <duflu> sarnold, I know... but cats can be herded too :)
[02:12]  * sarnold imagines duflu http://imgur.com/gallery/zcPmd
[02:12] <duflu> aww
[02:13] <duflu> sarnold, I mean if you have a deep enough understanding of the issue, and surrounding issues, then you have the authority to declare what "fixed" means and that everyone else should log new bugs
[02:13] <duflu> Herding is temporary, before you assign them new cages
[02:14] <sarnold> duflu: yeah, and i fyou're lucky you show up before the bug's grown three heads
[04:37] <robert_ancell> jbicha, your bug says:
[04:37] <robert_ancell>  a user unclicks the checkbox next to
[04:37] <robert_ancell> "Snappy Support", gnome-software will be installed since it Depends on
[04:37] <robert_ancell> the Snap plugin.
[04:37] <robert_ancell> that should say "uninstalled", right?
[06:59] <jibel> good morning
[07:13] <Trevinho> morning jibel
[07:17] <duflu> Morning Trevinho, jibel
[07:17] <Trevinho> hi duflu
[07:17] <duflu> I mean afternoon
[07:38] <oSoMoN> good morning/afternoon folks!
[08:01] <didrocks> hey jibel, Trevinho, duflu, oSoMoN!
[08:02] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[08:02] <willcooke> morning
[08:02]  * didrocks didn't check IRC, deep into aws doc
[08:02] <didrocks> morning willcooke
[08:02] <Laney> yo
[08:02] <andyrock> good mooooorning
[08:03] <didrocks> hey Laney, andyrock
[08:03] <duflu> salut didrocks
[08:03] <duflu> and andyrock
[08:03] <duflu> and all the rocks
[08:04] <duflu> And Laney
[08:04] <duflu> and willcooke, oSoMoN
[08:05] <oSoMoN> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1kftCx5-tA
[08:06] <willcooke> lol
[08:08] <Laney> deep
[08:16] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:17] <oSoMoN> salut seb128!
[08:20] <Laney> hi seb128!
[08:20] <Laney> you good?
[08:22] <Trevinho> hi willcooke and Laney
[08:22] <Trevinho> and oSoMoN
[08:23] <Trevinho> and andyrock (but we already sent hearts each other in telegram :-D)
[08:23] <Trevinho> Anyway desktoppers... Happy to see Canonical / Ubuntu logos again in this wiki https://wiki.gnome.org/Hackfests/FracionalScaling2017 :-)
[08:24] <willcooke> Nice one Trevinho
[08:24] <oSoMoN> cool
[08:24] <Laney> cute
[08:25] <Trevinho> I should have scaled the 101 more tho :-D
[08:25] <Laney> anyone else going to go?
[08:25] <Laney> guess you're staying out there until then
[08:26] <Trevinho> Laney: yep... 🤓
[08:26] <Trevinho> Laney: as for other people... Well, everybody is welcome. We'll send the ritual mails, but I guess not many others will be there
[08:31] <duflu> "* Drawing the Shell UI at a higher resolution than what the logical pixels correspond to." ... mir_proving_server ;)
[08:32] <duflu> Bonus points for full-screen subpixel rendering
[08:33] <duflu> Although the extra resources required would probably not be a sensible tradeoff
[08:35] <seb128> hey Laney Trevinho oSoMoN willcooke duflu
[08:35] <duflu> hey seb128
[08:56] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[09:00] <oSoMoN> good morning flexiondotorg
[09:02] <flexiondotorg> o/
[09:20] <Trevinho> duflu: eh. I would have preferred to avoid to downscale resources, but it's the only way we can given the toolkit status nowadays..
[09:21] <Trevinho> duflu: however, if you want to join... You're close enough to :-D
[09:22] <duflu> Trevinho, downscaling doesn't hurt if you're doing it on the GPU (like mir_proving_server)
[09:23] <duflu> And that way the process only have one copy of the texture, rendered at any resolution on any monitor, at any zoom level
[09:25] <duflu> But you have to then start making the Apple assumption[tm]: That is the physical monitor is not so low DPI that the user is bothered by scaling artefacts. Or do as I did in mir_proving_server: Design all textures to be smooth at any down-scale
[09:28] <Trevinho> duflu: yes, sure... in terms of perfomance isn't too much a problem for drawing... But still generating higher textures for any app, even if thta might not ever be drawn in a high dpi monitor is a little a waste..
[09:28] <Trevinho> And that's not done in GPU
[09:28] <duflu> Trevinho, I'm referring to reused textures (e.g. widgets), not the app window :)
[09:29] <duflu> You load them into GPU memory at the start and then never need to touch them
[09:29] <duflu> Very fast
[09:29] <Trevinho> yeah, that's true.. but you know apps redraw.
[09:29] <duflu> Indeed. And they don't need to touch system memory then
[09:30] <duflu> Partly
[09:30] <duflu> This is all best case scenario. I don't really have a clue if it would work for Gnome code
[09:30] <duflu> Well, anything is possible, but "work easily"
[09:39] <duflu> Wait a minute... Trevinho, so does this mean upstream GTK doesn't have a plan for fractional scaling themselves?
[09:39] <Trevinho> duflu: nope...
[09:40] <Trevinho> duflu: I think we'll discuss about this too. But considering how much has been done so far, this is not feasible.
[09:42]  * duflu checks what year it is
[09:52] <Trevinho> duflu: I know.... The mistake has been done in the past. I made my voice at the time, not too loud, but I did. But now, I think we can't go that way anymore as most of of the gnome world is covered by 'gint scale'
[09:53] <duflu> It's more surprising if you consider how forward-thinking Gnome has been with smooth scrolling and designing for touch
[09:54] <duflu> Yes, you can have touch, so long as your display is 1366x768
[10:01]  * duflu sets fire to the kitchen
[10:07] <Trevinho> duflu: now our voices can be there though... It's just about getting into the conversation.
[10:07] <Trevinho> oh, never mind :-D
[11:44] <jbicha> Laney: are you fine with the first option at LP: #1691620 ?
[11:45] <Laney> Why is it split out?
[11:46] <Laney> Don't have a strong opinion
[11:47] <jbicha> I think having -snap split out is better for Debian, although the -snap plugin does not require snap to be installed
[11:48] <jbicha> Ubuntu needed the Flatpak and Limba plugins split out, so it kinda made sense to me to split -snap out too
[11:50] <jbicha> Laney: are you ok with https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu/revision/523 and dropping the now duplicate autopkgtest there?
[11:51] <Laney> Probably a Suggests would have been okay instead of splitting it, but like I say I don't really mind, you can make it disableable if you want
[11:52] <Laney> I'd rather see tests fixed than disabled, but it's better than not running them
[11:55] <jbicha> gtk4's meson port hasn't figured out how to get the schemas compiled for the tests yet https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/testsuite/reftests/meson.build#n39
[12:21] <GunnarHj> jbicha: I'm about to look into splitting gnome-user-docs into lang specific binaries. I can take the opportunity to rename the binary to gnome-user-docs as you suggested, but if I do, will you make that change in Debian? I suppose it's a good idea to have the same name, even if we tend to bypass the Debian package.
[12:23] <jbicha> GunnarHj: yes, probably, if Debian's pkg-gnome team doesn't mind :|
[12:23] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Ok.
[13:01] <mitya57> Trevinho, you said the appmenu button doesn’t look bad to you, but the screenshot in your last mail shows that it is not true :)
[13:02] <mitya57> (not demanding anything, in fact maybe I’ll fix it myself when I have time)
[13:02] <Trevinho> mitya57: you got me :-D, but..... Still I just think is a stuble thing, isn't it?
[13:03] <mitya57> the circle behind the icon is very ugly
[13:03] <Trevinho> mitya57: but really, at first look I didn't see it...
[13:03] <Trevinho> mitya57: but it should be trivial to fix, just I had no time yet
[13:04] <mitya57> we can either remove the circle completely, or make it a rectangle instead (Adwaita-like)
[13:06] <cyphermox> jbicha: I'm not sure why iio-sensor-proxy was in main in zesty (wasn't prior to that, there was a MIR for geoclue but it doesn't look like iio-sensor-proxy was ever really reviewed / MIRed); and it's been pushed back to universe in artful.
[13:07] <cyphermox> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iio-sensor-proxy/+bug/1621216
[13:08] <Laney> cyphermox: infini_ty promoted it at the release sprint
[13:08] <Laney> we decided it was OK™
[13:08] <cyphermox> ok, there wasn't clear paperwork about that
[13:08] <Laney> it was showing up on $reports and we were getting those down to 0
[13:08] <Laney> nope
[13:08] <cyphermox> fair enough
[13:08] <Laney> sorry
[13:09] <cyphermox> it's out of main now though
[13:10] <Laney> well something caused it to show up in c-m and it got demoted
[13:13] <jbicha> g-s-d also recommends iio-sensor-proxy
[13:15] <cyphermox> yup
[13:15] <cyphermox> once g-s-d is in main, it will pull iio-sensor-proxy too
[13:16] <jbicha> is that fine? you don't need extra MIR paperwork now because the demotion was just because of the Unity8 reshuffling?
[13:18] <Laney> I hope it's fine
[13:19] <cyphermox> it's fine, I just wanted to understand why things were the way they were, and that I had not hallucinated iio-sensor-proxy in universe
[13:19] <Laney> nod
[14:16]  * oSoMoN red tape, bbiab
[15:15]  * oSoMoN is back
[16:18]  * Trevinho Laney: other :not's based reviews for you... Really I don't do it on purpose, but... There's no other way at my eyes :-)
[16:19] <Laney> I wonder how I got so far with barely using it
[16:23] <Trevinho> Laney: I had an evil gag in my mind... But I'll keep it for me :-D
[16:23] <seb128> Trevinho, the man who never sleeps
[16:24] <Trevinho> It's just midnight... Still early :)
[16:24] <seb128> :-)
[16:28] <Laney> Trevinho: what's that workaround?
[16:28] <Laney> is it because your stuff didn't get sponsored yet?
[16:28] <Trevinho> Laney: it says: if a headerbar is not a child of a .titlebar, then you can use it as a primary-toolbar
[16:29] <Trevinho> Laney: partially, but mostly related to the fact that it will work also if we want to SRU the theme.
[16:29] <Trevinho> Laney: plus we can remove it once we've fixed the apps, or any of them needs it.
[16:29] <Trevinho> I've found no problem with it so far
[16:30] <Trevinho> (before it was applyying that rule to all the headerbars, now i've reduced the spectrum... If you'd test using the rule that there was before my previous branches, it was always using an headerbar drawn as a toolbar)
[16:33] <Laney> can you say: headerbar:not(.titlebar headerbar)?
[16:33] <Laney> maybe with a >
[16:36] <Trevinho> Mhmh... let me see
[16:37] <Trevinho> Laney: no that's a syntax error
[16:38] <willcooke> taking off a bit earlier tonight.  Going out for dinner for Mrs willcooke's birthday.
[16:38] <Laney> happy birthday wilhelmina cooke
[16:38] <oSoMoN> happy birthday Mrs willcooke
[16:39] <Laney> Trevinho: guess it has to be a simple selector
[16:39] <Laney> ok, fine, just go for it :P
[16:39] <willcooke> night all
[16:39] <Trevinho> willcooke: oh, happy BD
[16:39] <Trevinho> well, wife's bd... But he missed anyway :-D
[16:40] <Laney> some scary looking clouds out there
[16:41]  * Laney is going to plant stuff in a minute...
[16:42] <Laney> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ng5
[16:42] <Trevinho> Laney: you're becoming a farmer! :-D
[16:43] <Trevinho> Laney: I've lots of fields if you need them... Well, my parents have, but... Nobody cares. :-D
[16:43] <Laney> \o/
[16:43] <Trevinho> Just in difficult areas tho
[16:43] <Laney> I'll have one
[16:43] <Laney> or two, if I can use one for a house
[16:44] <Trevinho> Mhmhm... House... that's more complicated... As not all the fields are buildable there. But, well... YOu know, you'll find a solution :-D
[16:45] <Trevinho> You can have a stall maybe :)
[16:48] <Laney> ok, somewhere to park a van ...
[16:48] <Laney> then I can take it to go climbing too
[16:52] <Trevinho> And picking mushrooms while doing that.
[16:52] <Laney> :-o
[16:53] <Trevinho> Anyway..... I guess i'll go to bed now
[16:53] <Laney> get a silo up with those theme things
[16:53] <Laney> you can fix them tomorrow
[16:53] <Trevinho> Laney: it's already building ;-)
[16:53] <Laney> nice
[16:53] <Trevinho> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2771
[16:54] <Trevinho> I'll land it tomorrow if you don't but some no'es around before ;-)
[16:55]  * Trevinho should go back to adwaita, or everytime he sees a thing he doesn't like, has to trigger the inspector.... And forget about his main task :|
[16:57] <Trevinho> Like now.... Nasty bug!
[16:57] <Trevinho> What is that missing right pixel in the terminal!? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/RzFnNdWu/
[17:00] <Trevinho> ok, adwaita has the same... it seems a terminal bug related to the scrollbar tho... Not going further for now... I'll leave some fun for you too
[17:00] <Trevinho> Good night
[17:00] <Laney> me too
[17:00]  * Laney rushes out
[17:00] <Laney> laters
[17:25] <muktupavels> Trevinho: is it mutter + hidpi?
[18:28] <oSoMoN> good night
[19:27] <kenvandine> seb128, could you create a gnome-3-24 PPA under ~ubuntu-desktop?
[19:28] <kenvandine> i don't have perms to do that
[19:28] <kenvandine> seb128, figured we should match the ppa name to the platform name
[19:29] <kenvandine> seb128, btw, i wanted to name the snap gnome-3-24
[19:29] <kenvandine> feedback appreciated
[20:25] <jbicha> kenvandine: why don't you use the gnome3-team/gnome3-staging PPA?
[20:27] <jbicha> oh, I was thinking GNOME 3.25. What would be in your PPA?
[22:43] <jbicha> robert_ancell: good morning, I'm going to push g-software 3.24 to artful unless you object
[22:43] <jbicha> 3.24.3
[22:43] <jbicha> you said that you had a problem with it crashing but it seems to be working here so maybe the problem was fixed?
[22:44] <robert_ancell> jbicha, no objection if it works for you