[06:34] <knightwise> morning peepz
[06:56] <diplo> Morning all
[06:58] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:49] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:59] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:04] <diddledan> https://www.grahamcluley.com/new-pirates-caribbean-movie-leaked-online-hackers-fail-extort-money/
[10:27] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/C617-CS4Vsg
[10:39] <foobarry> don't blame disney.
[10:39] <foobarry> i wouldn't pay for it either
[10:39] <foobarry> or watch it if you paid me
[10:40] <diddledan> I watched the previous ones. mostly because keira knightly is awesome
[10:40]  * diddledan loves her smile/grin
[10:42] <diddledan> at least disney managed to keep the start warts under wraps
[10:52] <diplo> I like the Pirate films, good fun!
[10:54] <diddledan> Johnny Depp is pretty hilarious
[10:56] <diplo> He is, I just enjoy films that I can lose myself in
[11:00] <diddledan> I'm a bit of a promiscuous movie goer. I enjoy mostly anything
[11:00] <diddledan> gotta love marvel (I know, I suck!) :-p
[11:02] <diplo> I'm the same, will watch anything, apart from horros of course
[11:03] <diddledan> ditto. although the alien films are a break from that
[11:03] <diddledan> I like good crime thrillers of the 90s (don't seem to get them anymore)
[11:04] <diddledan> like zodiac: what's in the box?!
[11:04] <diddledan> and the bone collector
[11:06] <diplo> Not sur eI know Zodiac but yeah aliens / prometheus and thrillers.
[11:06]  * diplo googles Zodiac
[11:07] <diplo> Sorry for typos, line is lagging and I'm typing badly because of it
[11:07] <diddledan> I think I got zodiac confused. I am thinking of a different one
[11:07] <diddledan> I liked zodiac too :-p
[11:07] <diddledan> I was thinking of seven (written on the dvd as se7en)
[11:08] <diplo> Ask my colleage if he was doing anything 'no' - looking on router diags, downloading it full tilt
[11:08] <diddledan> lol
[11:08] <diddledan> that'll do it :-p
[11:08] <diplo> Ah Se7ven is a great film, I may watch that tonight now
[11:13] <diddledan> just pushed another update to corebird - in response to fontconfig vuln announced earlier today on the ubuntu security list
[11:20] <diplo>   stable:    1.5 (17) 81MB -
[11:20] <diplo> :)
[11:24] <diddledan> I believe snapd uses xdeltas so the actual download size if you already had the previous version it'll be a tiny update
[11:29] <diplo> yeah it literally took under a second
[11:30] <diddledan> \o/
[11:31] <diddledan> I wonder how many folk are using the package now?
[11:31] <diddledan> had a lot of exposure on omgubuntu and the monthly "top 10 apps snapped this month" email
[11:31] <diplo> Can you not see that ?
[11:31] <diplo> How many downloads or anything
[11:32] <diddledan> number of downloads is 574
[11:33] <diplo> Not bad for your first package, make that 573 because I've installed it on two machines
[11:33] <diddledan> only a quarter of installations are running 1.5 so far
[11:33] <diplo> I don't use the other one anymore
[11:33] <diplo> I didn't know how to update till this morning :)
[11:33] <diplo> Probably others are the same
[11:33] <diddledan> it'll update automatically anyway Iirc
[11:33] <diddledan> if you leave it long enoguh that is
[11:33] <diplo> ah right, I read refresh and thought that sounds like it'll clear my configs
[11:34] <diplo> What was wrong with update :)
[11:45] <Azelphur> I'm having fun with the NHS, decided to go thermonuclear war on them over how they treated my girlfriend \o/
[11:47] <diddledan> Azelphur: shall. we. play. a. game?
[11:47] <Azelphur> diddledan: indeed :P
[11:48] <Azelphur> diddledan: it's another case of NHS Ombudsman ignores evidence, finds against me despite documentation clearly proving his statements are false. I called them and told them I've raised it with PCG, Patients association, my MP, who is looking into it personally and has raised it with Felicity cox, director of NHS England, tomorrow I'll be on the phone to NHS England, and when I run out of places to report them to, I'm going to build a
[11:48] <Azelphur> website so that people can publish the findings of the ombudsman service
[11:49] <SuperMatt> what did they do wrong?
[11:49] <Azelphur> SuperMatt: they refused to treat my girlfriend because she didn't have proof of address, left her to die a slow and painful death from gall stones and starvation/dehydration.
[11:50] <SuperMatt> wait, we need proof of address to stop ourselves from dying now?
[11:50] <Azelphur> SuperMatt: yep
[11:50] <SuperMatt> Is your girlfriend European?
[11:51] <Azelphur> she's English, born here
[11:51] <SuperMatt> I take it you were in A&E?
[11:52] <Azelphur> SuperMatt: we tried A&E numerous times, doctor told us that she most likely had gall stones and that if it was left untreated she could die from a rupture. However doctor said he wasn't authorized to order a scan as this had to be done by a GP, who wouldn't see her without proof of address
[11:53] <SuperMatt> Christ, that's some hella bad red tape
[11:53] <Azelphur> yep
[11:53] <popey> She died!?
[11:53] <Azelphur> popey: no, she came very close to it
[11:53] <popey> oh. phew.
[11:53] <Azelphur> it got to the point where she was sleeping for 16 hours a day, had yellow jaundice, had been unable to hold down fluids for 5 days
[11:54] <Azelphur> The guy at NHS England finally managed to push her registration through at a different GP branch, who performed a blood test, upon receiving the results she was rushed straight to A&E for severe dehydration, put on fluids, she had to go on a course of antibiotics to reduce the inflammation in her gall bladder before she could undergo emergency surgery to have it removed
[11:54] <popey> How come she didnt have proof of address?
[11:55] <Azelphur> popey: she had just moved in with me, my name on the bills
[11:55] <popey> could she not use previous address?
[11:55] <Azelphur> popey: nope, house was sold
[11:55] <popey> blimey.
[11:55] <SuperMatt> Proof of address is non-existent for great numbers of people
[11:55] <Azelphur> yep, as you can imagine I'm a little pissed at this point
[11:55] <popey> i can imagine, yeah.
[11:56] <popey> Good luck.
[11:56] <Azelphur> SuperMatt: indeed it is, that's why the NHS contract makes it extremely clear that denying patients due to lack of proof of ID/address is not considered a reasonable ground to refuse treatment
[11:56] <SuperMatt> I don't understand why an A&E doctor can't order a scan
[11:56] <Azelphur> SuperMatt: so when NHS England tried to hold the GP to task for it, the GP made up a story about how I was "intimidating, aggressive and overly forceful" during my visit
[11:57] <Azelphur> as to quite why that justifies leaving my girlfriend to die I dunno, ombudsman seems to think so :)
[11:57] <SuperMatt> I would imagine that being denied the scan is what made you intimidating, agressive and overly forceful
[11:57] <Azelphur> SuperMatt: no, I was actually perfectly polite and just stated I'd file a complaint with NHS England
[11:58] <Azelphur> When I spoke to the Patients Association they said it's actually a regular occurance that GPs will make that accusation in order to deny registration, because they can always get away with it, it's difficult to proove that you didn't do anything. Just so happens that I can proove it :)
[11:59] <Azelphur> which is why they handed the story to the editors and want to publish it in their newsletter
[11:59] <SuperMatt> excellent
[11:59] <Azelphur> indeed, I'll laugh if it actually gets to the point that I build a website for this. I work doing contract development, Python/Django stuff, would only take me a day or two to knock something up, and then launch an adwords campaign for NHS ombudsman lol
[12:00] <Azelphur> I am grumpy about this one, not gonna let them get off easy :)
[12:00] <SuperMatt> Why use django when it needs to only be a single page
[12:01] <Azelphur> SuperMatt: the idea is to build on the report the patients association already submitted, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/01/16/nhs-watchdog-staff-rude-dismissive-insensitive-says-damning/
[12:01] <Azelphur> I want to list not just my case, but every other case that has been handled ridiculously, and build up a massive, very public, database.
[12:01] <Azelphur> with names of case handlers, etc.
[12:03] <Azelphur> hell hath no fury like a web developer scorned :P
[12:05] <diddledan> ^ +1
[12:11]  * SuperMatt nodes sagely
[12:12] <SuperMatt> I've given up on trying to learn django, and I'm now working solely in Go
[12:12] <SuperMatt> hell, I've given up on python
[12:13] <Azelphur> SuperMatt: that's cool, I was thinking of learning, It benchmarks rather well
[12:13] <Azelphur> that said, Django is hot atm in terms of contract work
[12:14] <diddledan> this looks fun: https://youtu.be/romB8e5nMp8
[12:14] <SuperMatt> Go is pretty hot too
[12:14] <diddledan> SuperMatt: I've seen several people say they moved from python to go
[12:14] <Azelphur> indeed
[12:15] <diplo> I read that on reddit yesterday too
[12:15] <diplo> I've just learnt python too...
[12:15]  * diplo learns Go instead as well then
[12:15] <diddledan> go is mindbending
[12:15] <diplo> Azelphur: Thought you were a bitcoin man ?
[12:15] <Azelphur> diplo: I am :)
[12:15] <diddledan> when you've mastered go, like the namesake game, you're a grand master of time and space!
[12:16] <SuperMatt> It's the first language I've used in a while where I haven't had to keep going back to the docs to remember if it's len(string) or string.len() (or even sizeof(string))
[12:16] <diddledan> SuperMatt: count() :-p
[12:16] <SuperMatt> argh!
[12:17] <Azelphur> diddledan: that looks awesome
[12:18] <diplo> Why move from python to go than diddledan ? Isn't python more prevelant on systems than go ?
[12:18] <Azelphur> diplo: Python is today, Go is tomorrow :)
[12:19] <diplo> Installing right now, been meaning too..
[12:19] <diddledan> go to python. go straight to python. do not pass go. do not collect £200
[12:22] <diplo> Projects/golang/src/hello$ ./hello
[12:22] <diplo> hello, world
[12:22] <diplo> :)
[12:22] <diplo> Right, I've done enough go for today :P
[12:22] <Azelphur> SuperMatt: is there any nice frameworks like Django for Go yet?
[12:25] <diddledan> no
[12:25] <diddledan> and I don't think there ever will be
[12:25] <Azelphur> oh? why not
[12:25] <diddledan> it's part of the philosophy
[12:26] <diddledan> I read about it a while back, but can't remember much about it
[12:29] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/johnregehr/status/865182466818150402
[12:30] <SuperMatt> labstack echo
[12:30] <SuperMatt> although it's more along the lines of flask
[12:31] <SuperMatt> Go haven't created their own framework, but labstack echo is one of the better attempts
[13:12] <Azelphur> popey: just fyi, Alfie Day on LinkedIn is me :)
[13:12] <Azelphur> got an email saying you joined
[13:19] <popey> hah
[13:19] <popey> good old linkedin
[13:20] <Azelphur> hehe, figure I can endorse you for things
[13:21] <popey> uhoh
[13:25]  * diddledan endorses popey for "expert proliferation of ineptitude" ;-p
[13:25] <diddledan> popey: love you really :-p
[13:25] <popey> "yay"
[13:26] <TwistedLucidity> I deleted everything I could off LinkedIn, got sick and tired of recruiters calling me.
[13:26] <diddledan> I have had complete randoms on linkedin endorse me for things they have no idea about whether I can do or not
[13:27] <TwistedLucidity> "We've got this great position as a contractor doing C++ in London, 6 months and great benefits"
[13:27] <TwistedLucidity> 1. I don't do C++; 2. I don't like the idea of contracting; 3. I hate London. Well done. There's 15 minutes of my day wasted.
[13:27] <diddledan> they like putting into those emails "I appreciate you might not be looking right now, but that can be when the best opportunities come along"
[13:27] <diddledan> (I had one of those today)
[13:33] <diddledan> haha: https://twitter.com/sehnaoui/status/865198604696342528
[13:53] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Whilst funny, there's so many stupid TLDs these days (some of which are eye-wateringly expensive) that it's impossible to domain squat.
[13:53] <TwistedLucidity> Which I guess is a good thing.
[13:53] <TwistedLucidity> Kinda.
[14:08] <foobarry> https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7xjqb/who_can_write_the_smallesttidiestcleverest_morse/c07p22i/ what does the while loop do in this?
[14:09] <foobarry> having trouble deciphering the use of &1 , ? and :
[14:18] <awilkins> While n is greater than zero, if the lowest bit in buf[n] is 1, add a[n] to t, else add b[n] to t
[14:20] <awilkins> & is binary and in this case (I presume, it's C, my C is rusty), ? is the tertiary operator and returns the expression to the left of : for true and the right for false
[14:20] <awilkins> Things are allowed to be truthy in C, so any nonzero value is true
[14:21] <awilkins> No checking that things are a boolean when doing boolean logic like C#
[14:32] <foobarry> thx :) i hate obfuscated code
[15:02] <diddledan> awilkins: isn't the ?: a ternary rather than tertiary? (I thought it was, at least)
[15:03] <awilkins> Yeah, probably. Mixmacation of wordifles
[15:03] <diddledan> although I don't know what the difference in naming would mean
[15:03] <diddledan> mexican words? :-p
[18:02] <langlee> I am using 16.04 is there a replacement for imagewriter