[00:44] <nacc> Bashing-om: probably worth a ban at this point
[00:44] <nacc> for janny
[00:46] <Bashing-om> Not sure of there is not a serious language barrier here also . Thin ice either way .
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:10] <lordievader[m]> Good morning
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader[m] kostkon Bashing-om
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> morning tea here, rainy day
[05:18] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: \o .. makes for a good irc day :)
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> not here Bashing-om working day : (
[05:27] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Some ome has to pay up for the taxes :)
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:33] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I tell the truth - for some years I did subsistence living - I was glad to pay taxes when I was able !
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> i bet Bashing-om :p
[05:40] <lordievader[m]> Hey lotuspsychje
[06:06] <ducasse> morning all
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:14] <lordievader[m]> Hey ducasse
[06:14] <lordievader[m]> How are you doing, ducasse ?
[06:16] <ducasse> good thanks, and yourself?
[06:21] <lordievader[m]> Doing good here :)
[06:22] <ducasse> very quiet this morning, good opportunity to catch up on some news :)
[06:48] <lordievader[m]> Indeed.
[09:44] <immu> hi all
[10:30] <lordievader[m]> Hey immu
[10:36] <oerheks> grinn https://www.sudosatirical.com/articles/canonical-reboots-convergence-introduces-the-no-desktop-environment/
[10:41] <lordievader[m]> sudosatirical is quite funny.
[10:41] <lordievader[m]> https://www.sudosatirical.com/articles/man-loses-will-to-live-during-gentoo-install/
[10:41] <lordievader[m]> https://www.sudosatirical.com/articles/kde-user-in-awe-experiences-stability-first-time/
[10:41] <oerheks> indeed, 1st time i noticed, thanks to reddit
[10:42] <oerheks> Ubuntu fan wakes up from two year coma ...
[10:42] <oerheks> Hilarious
[11:02] <lordievader[m]> Yeah, I learned of the site too via reddit (/r/linux).
[11:52] <immu> hey lordievader[m]
[11:53] <lordievader[m]> How are you doing?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:04] <immu> hey BluesKaj
[12:11] <BluesKaj> hi immu
[12:16] <lordievader[m]> Het BluesKaj
[12:16] <lordievader[m]> How are you doing?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> hi lordievader[m], ok here, and you ?
[12:32] <lordievader[m]> Doing good here too :)
[13:17] <oerheks> Windows 10 S won't run Linux, says Microsoft \0/ best news today
[13:29] <DArqueBishop> Windows 10 S won't run a lot of stuff, so the Linux subsystems aren't a surprise.
[13:33] <BluesKaj> W10 is hopeless
[15:15] <KristijanZic> Need assistance. I've installed the light-themes_16.10+17.10.20170515.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb from omgubuntu.co.uk to my 17.04 and the theme got broken because some apps in ubuntu use toolbar instead of headerbar. When I want to delete the light-themes package it also wants to delete the ubuntu-artwork and ubuntu-desktop packages. What should I do? If I enable CSD I'll loose HUD on the affected apps but that fixes the theming
[15:15] <KristijanZic> because the app uses header bar then :/
[15:28] <nacc> KristijanZic: install the one for your release
[15:28] <nacc> KristijanZic: `apt policy light-themes` shoudl show you possible version numbers to use
[15:28] <nacc> KristijanZic: `sudo apt install light-themes=<version>`
[15:29] <nacc> KristijanZic: and next time, don't do such things without knowing how to undo them (you had to install the themes as root, you should know how to undo it)
[15:29] <nacc> KristijanZic: note also, /topic specifies your request should be in #ubuntu
[15:34] <immu> hi all
[15:37] <immu> ducasse: hi lordievader[m]
[15:50] <KristijanZic> nacc: Thank you! It was on #ubuntu but got left in history. I thought I knew how, I was wrong. Why? I'm exploring my system (in somewhat safe manner), Isn't that the whole point? And I have you guys here for occasional assistance and you have me unlike if I was running windows.
[15:51] <nacc> KristijanZic: ah ok
[15:51] <nacc> KristijanZic: well, as root, if you do something, it often cannot be undone.
[15:52] <nacc> KristijanZic: so my point is, know what you're doing. IMO, root isn't for exploring.
[15:52] <nacc> KristijanZic: or be willing to reinstall your system
[15:52] <KristijanZic> nacc: That's why I'm in the vm. I didn't know about apt policy.
[15:52] <nacc> KristijanZic: you never said VM :)
[15:53] <nacc> KristijanZic: then you are fine :)
[15:53] <KristijanZic> nacc: you would have told me to reinstall it :P
[15:53] <nacc> KristijanZic: yeah, it's a VM, who cares? :)
[15:53] <nacc> KristijanZic: i would have told you to restore from a backup
[15:54] <KristijanZic> I wouldn't learn anything then, that's the point also.
[15:54] <nacc> you would learn not to do experimental things without backups.
[15:54] <nacc> I stand by my earlier point, if you're root, you should know what you're doing and how to undo it.
[15:54] <nacc> Or be willing to accept the consequences of doing things as root
[15:55] <nacc> Too many users in #ubuntu don't bother doing that
[15:55] <KristijanZic> nacc: I agree 100% with you on that
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:35] <MentallyRetired> hiya
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> hi MentallyRetired first join on discuss?
[17:37] <MentallyRetired> yup yup
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> MentallyRetired: welcome here
[17:37] <MentallyRetired> recently switched back to windows from mac and not really satisfied, plus tired of blue screens
[17:38] <MentallyRetired> and I've dabbled with ubuntu before, but now seriously considering a switch to it for my primary desktop
[17:38] <MentallyRetired> plus it runs rocket league, so w00t
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> MentallyRetired: wich ubuntu version did you choose?
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> !info plank
[17:42] <MentallyRetired> 16.04? what do youmean
[17:42] <MentallyRetired> 16.04 with unity
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats what i was after :p
[17:42] <MentallyRetired> I installed cinnamon but not a fan of the UI. unity is what really got me seriously thinking about linux for my daily driver
[17:43] <MentallyRetired> nice and polished UI is a must for design snobs like me :)
[17:43] <xangua> Unity is no more
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> MentallyRetired: 18.04 will have back gnome as default
[17:43] <MentallyRetired> I know :(
[17:43] <MentallyRetired> it makes sense
[17:43] <MentallyRetired> gnome doesnt look too bad though
[17:44] <xangua> At least until someone brings a usable fork, but it will be unity 8, not 7
[17:44] <MentallyRetired> I think thats my biggest issue with OSS
[17:44] <MentallyRetired> sooo much fragmentation
[17:44] <MentallyRetired> people aren't willing to accept something they dont 100% agree with, it seems
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> thats why canonical wants opinions now
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> take the vote also MentallyRetired
[17:45] <MentallyRetired> the vote?
[17:45] <xangua> Where can I vote? Lost the page
[17:45] <xangua> I won't be using gnome shell tho
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> https://goo.gl/forms/y33GYsiEe6BH6m3t1
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> xangua: what will you change to mate?
[17:46] <xangua> To KDE probably
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> cool
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> i feel like back in the days of linux now, choosing KDE or GNOME ate setup hehe
[17:48] <MentallyRetired> haha
[17:48] <MentallyRetired> thats the linux I'm more familiar with
[17:48] <MentallyRetired> I could get it installed but couldnt do crap from there
[17:48] <MentallyRetired> good ol fedora
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> redhat back in the days
[17:59] <MentallyRetired> pardon my ignorance, but what is KDE neon?
[17:59] <MentallyRetired> KDE just sits on top of a linux distro, right?
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: can you explain ^
[18:01] <MentallyRetired> KDE is the 'windows' to ubuntu's msdos?
[18:01] <MentallyRetired> lol
[18:02] <MentallyRetired> kde, gnome, unity are all window UI systems, I know that much
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> newest snaps guys: https://uappexplorer.com/apps?type=snappy&page=1
[18:02] <MentallyRetired> I've had gnome on fedora, ubuntu etc
[18:02] <MentallyRetired> but what the heck is KDE neon? just a bunch of software apps? or is it its own OS
[18:03] <MentallyRetired> ok yeah, kde neon runs on plasma
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> or perhaps lordievader can explain
[18:06] <baizon> MentallyRetired: kde neon is kde + ubuntu lts
[18:06] <ducasse> MentallyRetired: kde neon is a kind of 'reference implementation' of kde on top of an ubuntu-based os
[18:06] <MentallyRetired> there we go, ok cool
[18:07] <MentallyRetired> kde's website doesnt really mention ubuntu
[18:07] <MentallyRetired> I found them listing canonical as a partner or supporter or something
[18:21] <BluesKaj> MentallyRetired,  https://neon.kde.org/download