[05:42] <andyrock> morning
[05:52] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[06:59] <Trevinho> hey, morning andyrock and oSoMoN
[08:03] <Laney> moin
[08:03] <seb128> hey Laney willcooke
[08:03] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:04] <seb128> how was your w.e? and how is that new week looking?
[08:04] <didrocks> hey Laney, willcooke
[08:06] <Laney> hey seb128 hey didrocks
[08:06] <Laney> good!
[08:07] <Laney> well on Saturday it rained all day more or less so we went to the library then the coffee shop
[08:07] <Laney> but yesterday was nice, allotment then pub with friends and board games
[08:09] <didrocks> which board games in particular?
[08:10] <willcooke> morning all
[08:12] <Laney> didrocks: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/127024/room-25 then https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/73761/k2
[08:12] <Laney> sorry, terminal froze up weirdly
[08:13] <Laney> didrocks: seb128: willcooke: how are you!
[08:13] <Laney> supposed to get to 21° today
[08:13] <willcooke> I've just run out of disk space.  Suspect my Monday morning backup script has gone wonky
[08:13] <Laney> on the target?
[08:13] <didrocks> ah, room 25 :)
[08:14] <didrocks> were you on of the traitors? :p
[08:14] <willcooke> local hdd -> big F. off tar -> scp to local server -> rsync to AWS
[08:14] <didrocks> (don't know K2)
[08:14] <didrocks> Laney: doing well, thanks! supposed to get to 27° today :p better to run early…
[08:14] <Laney> someone else was the traitor
[08:15] <Laney> but at the start one of the contestents claimed falsely that he was
[08:15] <didrocks> ahah
[08:15] <Laney> so we all suspected the wrong person
[08:15] <Laney> funny
[08:15]  * didrocks has horrible stories of people being killed at the second round while not being the traitor :p
[08:15] <didrocks> (it was Rick's son being the traitor, and no-one suspected him at that time)
[08:16] <didrocks> I fooled all of us
[08:16] <didrocks> he*
[08:16] <Laney> :D
[08:16] <didrocks> found the exit
[08:16] <didrocks> marked it as dangerous
[08:16] <didrocks> and we lost :p
[08:16] <Laney> clever
[08:16] <Laney> I wanted to push someone into the fire room
[08:16] <Laney> but didn't get the chance
[08:37]  * Laney relocates to town
[08:40]  * duflu wonders if there is ASCII art for teleportation
[09:13] <Trevinho> officially welcome duflu! :)
[09:13] <duflu> Trevinho, umm, thanks
[09:17] <seb128> evening Trevinho duflu
[09:17] <duflu> Hey seb128
[09:17] <Trevinho> I still call this afternoon...
[09:17] <Trevinho> :-D
[09:17]  * Trevinho just got lunch... 
[09:17] <seb128> if you wish :-)
[09:18] <Trevinho> but... hey seb128 :-D
[09:18] <seb128> what time is it for you?
[09:18] <Trevinho> seb128: how is the new life going?
[09:18] <seb128> 6pm?
[09:18] <Trevinho> seb128: 17...
[09:18] <seb128> oh ok, yeah, that's afternoon
[09:18] <seb128> life is good
[09:18] <seb128> had a nice relaxing w.e
[09:19] <seb128> and not so much sleep this night to balance it :p
[09:21] <Trevinho> eheh... Well, it has to be :-D
[09:35] <willcooke> hey jamesh :)
[09:35] <jamesh> hi willcooke
[09:36] <duflu> willcooke, sounds like I should email you status on Tuesdays and not Fridays (?)
[09:37] <willcooke> duflu, yes please.  Don't worry about being verbose, we can cover that in 1:1s, so something suitable for copy&paste to the wider team will be really helpful
[10:02]  * duflu fades into the night
[11:40] <seb128> it looks like we are getting quite some reports about zesty gconf upgrade issue, postinst hitting an error
[11:45] <jibel> seb128, do you have a bug #?
[11:46] <seb128> jibel, bug #1688721
[11:46] <jibel> thanks
[11:46] <seb128> yw
[11:46] <seb128> I wonder if that's the same as https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=760439
[11:47] <seb128> and having to do with the perl binding missing (which was pointed as an issue before release on devel iirc) and debconf?
[11:47] <seb128> (random guess statement from the warnings in the dpkg log)
[11:53] <jibel> seb128, lot of reports mention chrome, maybe it's related
[11:56] <seb128> jibel, I would guess that chrome pulls in gconf which we don't install by default anymore otherwise
[12:51] <oSoMoN> seb128, jibel: FYI starting with version 59 (to be released beginning of June) we will stop building chromium-browser with gconf (of course that doesn't affect upstream chrome packages)
[12:58] <jibel> oSoMoN, in this case it's chrome
[13:50] <kenvandine> hello desktoppers
[13:50] <oSoMoN> hey kenvandine!
[13:50] <kenvandine> i'm building a xenial backport of gnome 3.24 in a ppa for the platform snap
[13:50] <kenvandine> but running into a gtk test failure only on xenial
[13:51] <kenvandine> ERROR:/build/gtk+3.0-dBZtvN/gtk+3.0-3.22.15/./testsuite/css/style/test-css-style.c:115:load_ui_file: assertion failed (error == NULL): colornames.css:120:42'rebeccapurple' is not a valid color name (gtk-css-provider-error-quark, 1)
[13:51] <kenvandine> which i think is related to this
[13:51] <kenvandine> Failed to open file “./test-css-style.gresource.xml”: No such file or directory
[13:51] <kenvandine> anyone familiar with those gresource files that can confirm that might be the cause?
[13:52] <kenvandine> full build log at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/320395481/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.gtk+3.0_3.22.15-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:00] <seb128> kenvandine, the zesty build has the same no such file so it's not likely the issue
[14:01] <kenvandine> seb128, ah... ok
[14:01]  * kenvandine should have thought to check for the warning :)
[14:01] <seb128> I wonder if it uses external files as a reference
[14:01] <kenvandine> oh...
[14:02] <seb128> kenvandine, try maybe reverting https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/testsuite/css/style/colornames.ui?id=c27b8b48 ?
[14:02] <kenvandine> rebeccapurple is defined in the test
[14:02] <seb128> just to see
[14:02] <Laney> I think those come from pango
[14:02] <Laney> try building that first
[14:02] <seb128> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=c27b8b48
[14:02] <seb128> in fact
[14:02] <seb128> k, Laney got there first :p
[14:02] <seb128> I was looking at what provides the reference
[14:02] <kenvandine> oh...
[14:02] <Laney> sry :-)
[14:02] <kenvandine> damn ordering issue :)
[14:02] <kenvandine> ok, thanks!
[14:03] <seb128> I told you that deps might be needed
[14:03] <seb128> :p
[14:03] <kenvandine> seb128, indeed...
[14:03] <Laney> if that's true, please commit a BD version bump
[14:03] <kenvandine> sure
[14:03] <kenvandine> i'll push that to the ~ubuntu-desktop branch as well so it makes it in the next uplaod
[14:03] <kenvandine> upload
[14:03] <Laney> ya
[14:03] <seb128> but yeah
[14:03] <seb128> https://git.gnome.org/browse/pango/commit/?id=5aa230b1421b1a7dff8525125a5a22de48c5b6e9
[14:03] <kenvandine> thanks guys
[14:04] <seb128> confirmed in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=770653
[14:04] <seb128> "don't see a strong reason to bump the pango dependency, just to make a test pass."
[14:04] <Laney> such reference
[14:04] <kenvandine> not worth an upload for it
[14:05] <kenvandine> but no reason not to :)
[14:05] <Laney> nah
[14:05] <Laney> but we'll get it next time
[14:05] <seb128> mbiel reported it, he could have bumped the build-depends in Debian...
[14:05] <seb128> oh well
[14:05] <seb128> good work figuring it out team :-)
[14:09] <jibel> seb128, about the gconf2 bug you mentioned earlier, it's reproducible by installing chrome with ubuntu-software. It hangs on ucf (in gconf2-common postinst)
[14:09] <jibel> i'll update the report
[14:10] <Laney> zesty?
[14:10] <jibel> yes zesty
[14:10] <jibel> I didn't try on artful
[14:12] <Laney> nod
[14:13] <Laney> can you check/say if libgtk2-perl is installed?
[14:13] <Laney> I think that was the package they were doing stuff with just before release that seb128 referred to
[14:16] <jibel> Laney, it is installed
[14:17] <Laney> k
[14:17] <Laney> it's one for robert_ancell to look at most likely anyway ;-)
[14:20] <Laney> ximion: hey, got 2s to talk appstream for gstreamer elements?
[14:20] <Laney> do you think it makes sense for asgen to generate this?
[14:20] <Laney> try apt show gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad - I think everything we'd need is there
[14:21] <Laney> that'd be type=codec components
[14:25] <xnox> seb128, http://bugs.debian.org/863134
[14:30] <seb128> xnox, nice, see there are community people interested in some bits :-)
[14:31] <seb128> jibel, can you get a bt of the hang? does it do it only if installed from ubuntu-software? or is apt having the same issue?
[14:34] <ximion> Laney: jup
[14:34] <Laney> ximion: k, nice
[14:35] <ximion> Laney: would you want asgen to auto-generate this, or should we rather put a metainfo snippet in the gstreamer plugin package?
[14:35]  * ximion votes for the latter, we should even upstream that
[14:35] <Laney> I think asgen should make it
[14:35] <Laney> because...
[14:35] <ximion> (if it isn't already)
[14:35] <Laney> otherwise they have to have individual metainfo files
[14:35] <Laney> to deal with package splits and stuff
[14:36] <ximion> like what?
[14:36] <Laney> putting some .so files in one packages and some in another
[14:36] <ximion> ah, you man the individual plugins... yes, that would be necessary
[14:36] <Laney> dh_gst* deal with this for you already
[14:36] <ximion> but I think upstream should have that as metainfo files, to be distro-agnostic
[14:37] <Laney> I guess they could generate them
[14:37] <Laney> also...
[14:37] <Laney> the <codec> tag isn't really specified
[14:39] <ximion> Laney: yes, I noticed :D - I wanted to object to AppStream initially because I thought codes were only defined via their mimetypes, then I realized that at least in the example <code> has a meaning
[14:40] <Laney> AFAICS it's not actually parsed currently
[14:40] <ximion> but it's not actually specified anywhere what that is
[14:40] <Laney> so it doesn't matter that much
[14:41] <Laney> but if we do something with PackageKit in the end then you probably want to be specified
[14:41] <ximion> I would still like to fix that in the spec somehow... But I am no expert on codecs
[14:41] <Laney> I think some of the examples in there are kind of wrong actually
audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4, stream-format=(string){ adts, raw }, base-profile=(string)lc</encoder> would be a thing that gstreamer can do something with
[14:42] <ximion> before I release AppStream 1.0 I need to read the whole thing from start to finish - the spec has changed a lot over time, and there are a few historical accidents in there
[14:43] <ximion> I guess hughsie and I thought "we of course want a codec component!" but didn't actually clearly specify it (as long as GStreamer is happy)
[14:43] <Laney> they just use it to match the package name atm
[14:43] <Laney> AFAICS
[14:43] <Laney> which is actually what I want it for too
[14:43] <Laney> since you get given the list of packages for a particular list of codec requests from PK anyway
[14:52] <jbicha> ximion: have you thought about asgen for fonts?
[14:55] <ximion> jbicha: jup, it works
[14:56] <ximion> not only thought about it, but also worked with this madness for a while ^^
[14:56] <ximion> the fonts have to ship a metainfo file though, results without it using heuristics were abysmal (hughsie came to the same conclusion at Fedora)
[14:56] <ximion> jbicha: search for Oxygen or Lato in GNOME Software ;-)
[14:58] <jbicha> oh ok
[14:59] <jbicha> oxygen is the only font where that's been upstreamed so far :(
[14:59] <ximion> jbicha: I have a pending blogpost about this to motivate people to write more metadata (it's really easy!)
[15:00] <jbicha> that might be like saying "writing documentation is easy" :)
[15:01] <jbicha> the tough part for me is "how do you describe a font?", especially if you want the description to be CC0
[17:53] <Trevinho> Laney: you know what could have triggered https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=782942 ?
[17:56] <Trevinho> last libtool is different from previous by https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24625273/ as you can see in the new one link_all_deplibs is set to no, but also in the previous version it would have been ignored if no...
[19:50] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hi
[19:52] <willcooke> hi robert_ancell - brwy
[20:24] <Laney> Trevinho: how do I make that happen?
[20:28] <willcooke> night all o/
[20:29] <Laney> Trevinho: I tried building the distro package in an sbuild schroot, and I also tried building clutter-gtk in jhbuild with updated glib and g-i
[20:29] <Laney> all worked
[23:25] <jbicha> robert_ancell: good morning, I thought you might be interested by Mike Gabriel's new uploads yesterday and today, particularly his Remote Login ones
[23:25] <jbicha> https://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[23:27] <robert_ancell> jbicha, what's that?
[23:27] <jbicha> yeah, I figured he forked before talking to y'all
[23:27] <robert_ancell> oh, is this the old remote login stuff from Ubuntu?
[23:27] <jbicha> yes, but renamed
[23:30] <jbicha> some of this stuff is old, like his libappindicator fork has his commits from 2015