[04:18] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:01] <lordievader[m]> Good morning
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader[m]
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> working day here
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> and 25 degrees
[05:29] <lordievader[m]> How are you doing, lotuspsychje ?
[05:32] <lordievader[m]> If is going to be only 23 here
[06:14] <ducasse> good morning
[06:14] <lordievader[m]> Hey ducasse, how are you doing?
[06:16] <ducasse> good thanks, how about you, lordievader[m] ?
[06:16] <ducasse> busy day ahead?
[06:17] <lordievader[m]> Yeah somewhat. Doing good, btw, sitting in the train.
[06:17] <lordievader[m]> Do you have a busy day ahead too?
[06:19] <ducasse> not really, had a lot to do for a couple of days but think i've caught up now.
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> working day here guys
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> laterz
[10:13] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:06] <EriC^^> anybody good with gaming?
[13:06] <EriC^^> gaming pc's?
[13:28] <ducasse> EriC^^: #gamingonlinux ?
[13:57] <akik> i want to understand why installing and using multiple desktops in a ubuntu installation has been made so difficult
[13:57] <akik> i just installed ubuntu-gnome-desktop into a kubuntu installation, which in turn broke my kde
[13:58] <akik> the same happened when i installed unity into a kubuntu installation
[14:00] <oerheks> the fun part starts when you want to remove one desktop
[14:01] <oerheks> * usually
[14:01] <akik> i just uninstalled the gnome packages
[14:02] <lordievader[m]> Apart from menu pollution they usually work nicely along side each other... right?
[14:02] <oerheks> i have read more users with the same issue, not sure kubuntu or neon
[14:03] <akik> lordievader[m]: in this last attempt, kde just won't start any more
[14:04] <lordievader[m]> akik: Anything in the logs as to why?
[14:04] <ducasse> akik: i've seen most problems like that when using the *ubuntu-desktop packages, as opposed to just the metapackage for the actual desktop. ymmv.
[14:04] <akik> lordievader[m]: well i only looked into .xsession-errors but there was nothing there. i only got a black screen
[14:05] <lordievader[m]> Hmm, a new profile may very well help for that.
[14:05] <akik> i can test again without using the ubuntu*desktop
[14:08] <BluesKaj> it's best to stick with one DE, one can always in stall apps from other DEs and they usually run just fine
[14:09] <akik> BluesKaj: the thing is i'd like to learn to use the other DEs too
[14:10] <BluesKaj> akik,  then install them in VM or a different partition
[14:10] <akik> BluesKaj: that's in my opinion waste of resources
[14:11] <akik> let's see what i get by now installing "gnome" and "gnome-shell"
[14:12] <BluesKaj> you don't need a large space to run an OS successfully, one can share data like media files if you place them on a a separate partition
[14:12] <ducasse> akik: that approach has usually worked well for me. wasn't there an open bug where unity and kde could not be installed at the same time?
[14:14] <BluesKaj> is unity going to receive community support after 18.04 ?
[14:14] <akik> ducasse: yes that was for 16.04 with those account-plugins
[14:14] <akik> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/account-plugins/+bug/1574045
[14:15] <ducasse> BluesKaj: unity 7, you mean? maybe - haven't heard anything.
[14:16] <BluesKaj> ducasse,  ok, neither have I
[14:17] <BluesKaj> I don't hear many users lamenting Unity's demise
[14:18] <ducasse> i think even lotus has stopped and is digging into gnome instead ;)
[14:22] <akik> so after installing gnome and gnome-shell with their dependecies, kde becomes totally broken. i created a new user and the default for the new user is something totally weird, elements in wrong places
[14:23] <akik> but hey, gnome works
[14:24] <ducasse> and kde worked properly before you installed gnome?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> so does kde/plasma, and it's fine on it's own :-)
[14:26] <akik> ducasse: yes
[14:27] <akik> and now if i remove gnome, kde will start working again
[14:27] <ducasse> akik: weird. i wonder if there could be some xdg-autostart stuff for example that messes things up?
[14:28] <akik> i wouldn't know. i've just used xdg-mime and xdg-open
[14:28] <akik> don't know where those settings would be
[14:28] <ducasse> look what is in /etc/xdg/autostart/
[14:30] <akik> these are there: https://pastebin.com/raw/rjSy7nud
[14:30] <ducasse> stuff there should be set to only run under compatible envs, but something could have been overlooked
[14:31] <akik> OnlyShowIn <- that?
[14:31] <ducasse> oh wow, i have like 7 or 8 entries there
[14:32] <ducasse> plus AutostartCondition=GNOME3 etc
[14:32] <akik> gnome-sound-applet.desktop:OnlyShowIn=;
[14:36] <ducasse> i have no clue which of these are most likely to affect things, but at least stuff like unity-settings-daemon should probably not be running when kde is active
[14:39] <ducasse> bbiab
[14:43] <akik> none of them were absolutely necessary for gnome
[14:44] <akik> i moved them all elsewhere but it didn't affect either gnome or kde in any way
[14:44] <akik> gnome still works, kde is broken. i get a black screen for my original user and some weird kde setup for the new user
[14:52] <akik> ok got that fixed. for some reason the kde workspace type for new user = netbook. by changing that back to "desktop" i get now a working kde
[14:57] <BluesKaj> akik,  odd , i was lookinmg for that setting in system setttings , but there's no kde workspace option
[14:58] <akik> BluesKaj: it's in workspace behavior/workspace
[14:59] <akik> what's another weird thing is that the kde theme has changed
[14:59] <akik> maybe it's related to that netbook setting
[15:00] <akik> also restore the xdg autostart files and still working
[15:00] <akik> restored
[15:01] <BluesKaj> akik,  nope, no option, just information tips , and visual feedback
[15:02] <akik> i'm using kde plasma 4
[15:02] <BluesKaj> ok, no wonder
[15:02] <akik> does the search find it in system settings?
[15:05] <BluesKaj> .plasma 5 here
[15:10] <akik> BluesKaj: i meant do you find it in plasma 5 system settings
[15:10] <akik> there's the search box in it
[15:11] <BluesKaj> the path is the same, but the options are not
[15:14] <BluesKaj> and it's the same on my laptop kubuntu 17.04
[15:15] <BluesKaj> plasma 5 is much different then plasma 4, akik
[15:15] <BluesKaj> than
[17:56] <immu> hi all
[18:01] <Bashing-om> Hey hey ... \o : See what the day brings :)
[18:08] <immu> yeah yeah its Bashing-om :)
[18:08] <immu> i thinks others are away Bashing-om
[18:11] <immu> brb
[18:11] <Bashing-om> immu: Oh well, looks to be slow all over .
[18:23] <fr0tzed> hello
[18:26] <immu> hello
[18:27] <immu> BluesKaj, EriC^^ ducasse  hi all
[18:27] <EriC^^> hi immu
[18:27] <immu> hi eric how are you doing?>
[18:27] <ducasse> \o
[18:27] <BluesKaj> hi immu
[18:29]  * BluesKaj takes a break from lawn mowing atm
[18:29] <immu> today install gnome shell in ubuntu
[18:32] <BluesKaj> ok, bbl
[18:34] <immu> bbl? BluesKaj
[18:35] <ducasse> "be back later"
[18:35] <immu> ooo thanks ducasse
[18:40] <EriC^^> immu: good yourself?
[18:41] <immu> EriC^^, i am good to just bloated after a heavy meal :)
[18:41] <EriC^^> :D