[04:18] good morning to all [05:01] Good morning [05:25] hey lordievader[m] [05:26] working day here [05:26] and 25 degrees [05:29] How are you doing, lotuspsychje ? [05:32] If is going to be only 23 here [06:14] good morning [06:14] Hey ducasse, how are you doing? [06:16] good thanks, how about you, lordievader[m] ? [06:16] busy day ahead? [06:17] Yeah somewhat. Doing good, btw, sitting in the train. [06:17] Do you have a busy day ahead too? [06:19] not really, had a lot to do for a couple of days but think i've caught up now. [06:22] hey ducasse [06:22] working day here guys [06:22] laterz [10:13] 'Morning all [13:06] anybody good with gaming? [13:06] gaming pc's? === Mr_0_ is now known as Mr_0 [13:28] EriC^^: #gamingonlinux ? [13:57] i want to understand why installing and using multiple desktops in a ubuntu installation has been made so difficult [13:57] i just installed ubuntu-gnome-desktop into a kubuntu installation, which in turn broke my kde [13:58] the same happened when i installed unity into a kubuntu installation [14:00] the fun part starts when you want to remove one desktop [14:01] * usually [14:01] i just uninstalled the gnome packages [14:02] Apart from menu pollution they usually work nicely along side each other... right? [14:02] i have read more users with the same issue, not sure kubuntu or neon [14:03] lordievader[m]: in this last attempt, kde just won't start any more [14:04] akik: Anything in the logs as to why? [14:04] akik: i've seen most problems like that when using the *ubuntu-desktop packages, as opposed to just the metapackage for the actual desktop. ymmv. [14:04] lordievader[m]: well i only looked into .xsession-errors but there was nothing there. i only got a black screen [14:05] Hmm, a new profile may very well help for that. [14:05] i can test again without using the ubuntu*desktop [14:08] it's best to stick with one DE, one can always in stall apps from other DEs and they usually run just fine [14:09] BluesKaj: the thing is i'd like to learn to use the other DEs too [14:10] akik, then install them in VM or a different partition [14:10] BluesKaj: that's in my opinion waste of resources [14:11] let's see what i get by now installing "gnome" and "gnome-shell" [14:12] you don't need a large space to run an OS successfully, one can share data like media files if you place them on a a separate partition [14:12] akik: that approach has usually worked well for me. wasn't there an open bug where unity and kde could not be installed at the same time? [14:14] is unity going to receive community support after 18.04 ? [14:14] ducasse: yes that was for 16.04 with those account-plugins [14:14] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/account-plugins/+bug/1574045 [14:14] Ubuntu bug 1451728 in kaccounts-integration (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1574045 [master] kde-config-telepathy-accounts package install error" [Critical,In progress] [14:15] BluesKaj: unity 7, you mean? maybe - haven't heard anything. [14:16] ducasse, ok, neither have I [14:17] I don't hear many users lamenting Unity's demise [14:18] i think even lotus has stopped and is digging into gnome instead ;) [14:22] so after installing gnome and gnome-shell with their dependecies, kde becomes totally broken. i created a new user and the default for the new user is something totally weird, elements in wrong places [14:23] but hey, gnome works [14:24] and kde worked properly before you installed gnome? [14:25] so does kde/plasma, and it's fine on it's own :-) [14:26] ducasse: yes [14:27] and now if i remove gnome, kde will start working again [14:27] akik: weird. i wonder if there could be some xdg-autostart stuff for example that messes things up? [14:28] i wouldn't know. i've just used xdg-mime and xdg-open [14:28] don't know where those settings would be [14:28] look what is in /etc/xdg/autostart/ [14:30] these are there: https://pastebin.com/raw/rjSy7nud [14:30] stuff there should be set to only run under compatible envs, but something could have been overlooked [14:31] OnlyShowIn <- that? [14:31] oh wow, i have like 7 or 8 entries there [14:32] plus AutostartCondition=GNOME3 etc [14:32] gnome-sound-applet.desktop:OnlyShowIn=; [14:36] i have no clue which of these are most likely to affect things, but at least stuff like unity-settings-daemon should probably not be running when kde is active [14:39] bbiab [14:43] none of them were absolutely necessary for gnome [14:44] i moved them all elsewhere but it didn't affect either gnome or kde in any way [14:44] gnome still works, kde is broken. i get a black screen for my original user and some weird kde setup for the new user [14:52] ok got that fixed. for some reason the kde workspace type for new user = netbook. by changing that back to "desktop" i get now a working kde [14:57] akik, odd , i was lookinmg for that setting in system setttings , but there's no kde workspace option [14:58] BluesKaj: it's in workspace behavior/workspace [14:59] what's another weird thing is that the kde theme has changed [14:59] maybe it's related to that netbook setting [15:00] also restore the xdg autostart files and still working [15:00] restored [15:01] akik, nope, no option, just information tips , and visual feedback [15:02] i'm using kde plasma 4 [15:02] ok, no wonder [15:02] does the search find it in system settings? [15:05] .plasma 5 here [15:10] BluesKaj: i meant do you find it in plasma 5 system settings [15:10] there's the search box in it [15:11] the path is the same, but the options are not [15:14] and it's the same on my laptop kubuntu 17.04 [15:15] plasma 5 is much different then plasma 4, akik [15:15] than [17:56] hi all [18:01] Hey hey ... \o : See what the day brings :) [18:08] yeah yeah its Bashing-om :) [18:08] i thinks others are away Bashing-om [18:11] brb [18:11] immu: Oh well, looks to be slow all over . [18:23] hello [18:26] hello [18:27] BluesKaj, EriC^^ ducasse hi all [18:27] hi immu [18:27] hi eric how are you doing?> [18:27] \o [18:27] hi immu [18:29] * BluesKaj takes a break from lawn mowing atm [18:29] today install gnome shell in ubuntu [18:32] ok, bbl [18:34] bbl? BluesKaj [18:35] "be back later" [18:35] ooo thanks ducasse [18:40] immu: good yourself? [18:41] EriC^^, i am good to just bloated after a heavy meal :) [18:41] :D === Guest30325 is now known as IdleOne