[00:07] <keithb> hola
[00:09] <Jailout2000> hello
[00:18] <lord-ragnarock> So I just upgraded my PowerBook G3 from 12.04 to 14.04.5 :) but now lightdm only starts up for 10 seconds and goes back to the console and restarts over and over. I tried manually starting X as well. Same thing :/
[00:18] <lord-ragnarock> Relevant pastebin: https://pastebin.com/GSCDK2cv
[00:20] <keithb_> wow okay irssi is literally satanic
[00:20] <Jailout2000> lol
[00:20] <keithb_> can't even exit it from `quit`, `/quit`, `exit`, or `/exit`
[00:21] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: While I read // why the boot paramater " video=ofonly " ?
[00:21] <yeats> keithb_: /quit should do it
[00:21] <keithb_> well maybe I typoed it
[00:21] <keithb_> i simply did `killall -9 irssi` instead
[00:21] <keithb_> did @jailout2000 link to you my issue?
[00:22] <Jailout2000> https://askubuntu.com/questions/917908/16-04-cinnamon-logging-in-to-background-only
[00:23] <dviper> Hello world!
[00:23] <Jailout2000> Hello dviper!
[00:24] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: " (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0) " try re-installing the FGLRX driver . Bet it broke in the upgrade process .
[00:24] <Rand0m`> Anyone know how to fix this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/24628408/
[00:24] <dviper> Hi! Does anyone here know if grsecurity adds much additional security to ubuntu kernel?
[00:30] <Jailout2000> Anyone know how to fix this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/917908/16-04-cinnamon-logging-in-to-background-only
[00:32] <Jordan_U> dviper: It's hard to measure security benefits, but grsecurity does provide them. Since we won't be getting any new grsecurity patches for the forseeable future though it probably doesn't make much sense to try to use grsecurity patches any more.
[00:33] <leftyfb> Jordan_U: what happened to grsec?
[00:33] <dviper> Jordan_U: Because they stopped providing updates?
[00:34] <natten-> how would i go about setting up encrypted lvm from a live usb? i need to use the manual partitioning because i dont want to touch windows drive at all (not even bootloader).
[00:34] <Jordan_U> leftyfb: https://lwn.net/Articles/721848/ (note that grsecurity developers seem to consider this article to be biased against them).
[00:34] <leftyfb> grsec was pretty tough. We ran it at a place I used to work. root had almost no privileges.
[00:34] <dviper> Jordan_U: For non paying users at least
[00:35] <leftyfb> them? Last I dealt with grsec, it was basically 1 guy who called all the shots. My company at the time almost hired him
[00:36] <dviper> But at least from a ASLR and other "basic" or standard kernel hardening.
[00:36] <Rand0m`> Anyone know how to fix this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/24628408/ it worked on 16.04 and 16.10 just 17.04 won't. . :/
[00:36] <leftyfb> from my understanding of it, grsec was pretty solid. Couldn't imagine anyone getting through it easily.
[00:37] <dviper> Ignoring chroot is there a good base for office desktops?
[00:37] <leftyfb> dviper: I don't follow
[00:37] <leftyfb> ignoring chroot? a base?
[00:39] <dviper> Leaving out the restrictions on root, are the other basic security enhancements done by ubuntu good enough for business desktop environment?
[00:40] <Jordan_U> dviper: Security enhancements relative to what?
[00:41] <leftyfb> dviper: don't give the end user sudo/root privileges and follow some of the many hardening guides online
[00:41] <leftyfb> there's a lot you can do harden a linux desktop
[00:41] <dviper> Jordan_U: grsecurity
[00:42] <leftyfb> apparmor could get you close to grsec security, but won't get you to it's level. I think selinux can get there as well, but I don't think that works on ubuntu
[00:42] <Jordan_U> dviper: I would say that Ubuntu is secure enough for most buisness desktops, but again security is hard to quantify. Ubuntu doesn't use grsecurity patches by default.
[00:43] <Jordan_U> leftyfb: dviper: Grsecurity's patches are/were mostly helpful as prevention against zero day vulnerabilities in the kernel.
[00:44] <leftyfb> it could go well beyond that
[00:45] <dviper> Yeah apparmor seems to be working wel right now with firejail -> firefox and other tutorial on security but I was hopping to further harden
[00:46] <dviper> Jordan_U: leftyfb: exactly that what I'm going for Zero Day Protection!
[00:46] <leftyfb> dviper: so pay for grsec. But understand the amount of work you'll have to do to get a functional system
[00:47] <dviper> leftyfb: well over my pay grade
[00:49] <dviper> Jordan_U: leftyfb: I'm going to try to make an ubuntu image with lots of the bloat removed and that follows the ASD: Strategies to Mitigate Cyber Security Incidents advice
[00:50] <dviper> Using wayland also a big headache
[00:52] <Jordan_U> dviper: Wayland doesn't give you a huge benefit right now security wise. What wayland does is allow the possibility of a secure desktop, because nobody was bothering keeping graphical applications isolated when the X11 protocol made it pointless. Now it's possible to sandbox GUI apps, but that sandboxing still isn't very mature (and is certainly not used by default).
[00:54] <rdh> dviper, whats wrong with SELinux
[00:54] <dviper> Jordan_U: Really!?!? That's two days I'm not getting back. But doesn't it enforce isolation (GUI and clipboard) by default?
[00:56] <dviper> rdh: complexity, i guess. Haven't really gone to deep with it yet. Does it not have problems with ubuntu?
[00:58] <Jordan_U> dviper: Here's a good overview from a KDE developer. Note that their conclusion is a little less pessemistic than mine: https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2015/11/looking-at-the-security-of-plasmawayland/ .
[00:58] <rdh> dviper, Security = complexity
[00:59] <rdh> dviper, more secure = less usable
[00:59] <vivi> more secure == more expensive (support)
[01:00] <dviper> rdh: vivi: As long as its not less usable to the average user (Mainly need audio, microphone, web browser) it fine. can't cost a lot of money!
[01:01] <psychoticwarrior> whats up everybody
[01:02] <vivi> Hey psychoticwarrior
[01:03] <vivi> dviper, I have to deal with this daily overseeing the IT manage whilst being responsible for corporate / cloud security.
[01:03] <b0bby__> How do access files from a motd script?
[01:03] <vivi> "Can't you just IP whitelist my home address so I don't have to use VPN".... NO!
[01:04] <rdh> b0bby__, its a script
[01:04] <dviper> vivi: i think I've heard that one!
[01:05] <b0bby__> rdh yes its the script ran at login
[01:05] <b0bby__> rdh any ideas?
[01:05] <rdh> off topic
[01:07] <dviper> Jordan_U: thanks for the link I go though it more slowly later but some of the errors seem to come from the os or gui manager not the applications it self; if so wouldn't we be able to target just the OS to fix this issues?
[01:16] <mekhami> how do i disable panning with xrandr
[01:22] <Perverso> hola amigos
[01:25] <Bashing-om> !es | Perverso
[01:27] <Perverso> pffff
[01:28] <bazhang> Perverso, do you have an ubuntu support issue, this is NOT the general chat channel
[01:31] <Phanes> the guy
[01:31] <Phanes> just said hi
[01:31] <isovector> hey all -- i'm trying to install libcairo2-dev, but it complains libcairo2-dev : Depends: libcairo2 (= 1.14.6-1) but 1.15.2-0intel1 is to be installed
[01:32] <leftyfb> Phanes: it's not the first time he's been here talking spanish and not needing or offering help.
[01:32] <isovector> attempting to *remove* libcairo2 to fix that dependency wants to *also* uninstall 300 other packages... wtf apt?
[01:32] <Shmam_> So I ran "curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup | sudo bash -" and installed an older version of node. I tried "npm -g install npm@latest" but that didnt do anything. How do i get the newest version of nodejs?
[01:32] <Perverso> hi guys
[01:34] <PipeItToDevNull> Hello
[01:34] <wwwnull> PipeItToDevNull, I think were relatives!
[01:34] <PipeItToDevNull> lol
[01:34] <wwwnull> same surnames...
[01:34] <wwwnull> :D
[01:35] <Bashing-om> isovector: PPA ?? what shows ' apt policy libcairo2 ' ?
[01:36] <isovector> Bashing-om: 1.15.2-0intel1 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status  and   1.14.6-1 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/main amd64 Packages
[01:37] <Bashing-om> isovector: Pastebin please so I see it in context and formatted .
[01:38] <isovector> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/1rpunh7W
[01:46] <Bashing-om> isovector: Sort perplexed as the origin of the elevated package is not given .
[01:56] <heis2201> Hi everyone, I would very much appreciate if anyone could assist me finding the right way to approach my problem. I have migrated a user from an Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 LTS machine to another machine running same OS - I have copied the entire home folder to the new machine but I can't manage to get gdm started with the boot process.
[01:58] <heis2201> boot process always lands a text login. so far, I have made sure that /home/user belongs to user (chown user:user ....) and systemctl enable gdm3
[01:58] <Jordan_U> heis2201: Getting GDM started shouldn't have anything to do with the contents of /home/$USER/. Is it really GDM failing to start, or just the user failing to log in from GDM?
[01:58] <heis2201> no luck
[01:58] <heis2201> I think its GDM failing to start - "startx" launches a Gnome session after login on text console
[02:00] <heis2201> how to debug this? where to find corresponding logs?
[02:05] <heis2201> the reason why I thought that $USER related stuff may have triggered this weird behavior is that it occured first after changing the $USER's password (using gnome-control-center)
[02:09] <Jordan_U> heis2201: Do you see a GDM login screen at boot?
[02:09] <heis2201> no GDM screen at boot. Boot process "ends" with a text console
[02:09] <heis2201> login is sucessful, subsequent "startx" launches Gnome sucessfully.
[02:10] <Jordan_U> heis2201: What is the output of "systemctl status gdm3" after a normal boot?
[02:14] <arooni> i have a t420 laptop; a 2520 i5 processor ; a 500gb ssd ; and 8gb of ram. running ubuntu 16.04.  is there any point to trying to move to 16gb of ram?  would i really notice a difference?
[02:15] <heis2201> @Jordan_U That's a good question! I'll check it as soon as I get access to the machine again (it's a family member's machine, and I am trying to help her remotely with that problem)
[02:16] <heis2201> @arooni: all depends on what programs you are running. Do you do anything RAM consuming? Virtualization?
[02:17] <heis2201> free -h will tell you how much of your RAM is "consumed". As long as it is <100% or < the point where you start swapping, you shouldn't see a loss in performance.
[02:17] <jnewt> i am having issues with flash drives not wanting to eject.  then when i pull them out, and put them back in they are read only.
[02:18] <arunpyasi_> hi all, how do I make my webservers available to the internet via iptables ? I have it working in the LAN but not in the WAN
[02:18] <arooni> heis2201: well i run chrome ; with that i'm at 4570mb free.  but at some point i might like to start developing for android
[02:18] <arooni> so not sure if id need more ram then
[02:19] <heis2201> as long as you don't use your entire 8GB (after that you start swapping and you may loose some speed), I personally would not bother - at all
[02:20] <arooni> heis2201: if i do swap even though an ssd is probably orders of magnitude slower; at least i'm on a ssd
[02:20] <heis2201> 4570MB free is a lot.... just try filling your RAM by opening many of your apps and some pics and converting some music files.
[02:20] <arooni> i guess the thing to watch is how often i hit swap
[02:21] <arooni> i'm typically using the terminal + chrome + vim + maybe compiling some stuff
[02:21] <heis2201> right. If you don't, don't bother
[02:22] <arooni> how much 'faster' would a new laptop be compared to this one ; i know thats a fuzzy subjective question
[02:22] <arooni> im torn between trying to update this one and saving up for a new one
[02:28] <arunpyasi_> hi all, how do I make my webservers available to the internet via iptables ? I have it working in the LAN but not in the WAN
[02:28] <cc_user> hello
[02:37] <PipeItToDevNull> Hello
[02:40] <psychoticwarrior> try putting the local ip address in the dmz part of your router config
[02:41] <lord-ragnarock> Bashing-om, Oh shoot, sorry about that! :D
[02:41] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: What did I miss ?
[02:41] <lord-ragnarock> More like I missed your answers lol :P
[02:42] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: :) considered you had all under control .
[02:42] <lord-ragnarock> To answer those: video=ofonly because that's what I know to work when booting on those 1990s PowerMacs
[02:43] <arunpyasi_> psychoticwarrior, I have the port forwarded
[02:43] <lord-ragnarock> And believe it or not, I've heard fglrx breaking was the cause for my other PowerMac. But sadly I have absolutely no clue where to get it for PowerPC :P
[02:44] <arunpyasi_> I have two interfaces, I couldn't get it work with first eth, but works in another eth.. how can that be ?
[02:44] <arunpyasi_> is there anything like making the service available on the LAN but not in the public/internet ?
[02:45] <lord-ragnarock> If I read right, I think it basically got obsoleted and removed between those upgrades, and I don't even think it's available for PPC anymore :(
[02:45] <arunpyasi_> though, I have ufw disabled too
[02:49] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: mind ya I do not know Macs - but show in a pastebin ' apt policy fglrx ' as I expect the driver to ne in the 14.04 repo .
[02:52] <lord-ragnarock> Sorry my net crapped out again lol :P
[02:53] <lord-ragnarock> Bashing-om, sorry explain? I'm still tired right now haha
[02:57] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: Me tired too :) .. Ok we want to re-install the proprietary driver (??) that driver is FGLRX that is still available for the 14.04.1 kernel. So di you have access to this driver . show us in a pastebin the output of ' apt policy fglrx ' . see what we can do then .
[02:57] <lord-ragnarock> Ohhh. I think I did 14.0.4.5 :/
[02:58] <arooni> can i kill the dockerd process; or will that make other processes top working
[02:58] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: Mope . ya running the 3.13 kernel series per that xorg file .
[02:58] <Bashing-om> nope*
[02:58] <lord-ragnarock> Hmm
[02:59] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: ' uname -r ' to confirm the kernel booted .
[03:00] <lord-ragnarock> 3.13.0-119-powerpc-smp as expected. My "bootloader" actually lets you pick the kernel and ramdisk beforehand lol
[03:01] <lord-ragnarock> But my terminal (More like SSHing from my current laptop) is saying "Welcome to Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.13.0-119-powerpc-smp ppc)"
[03:02] <arunpyasi_> Is there any way to restore all the routing tables ?
[03:03] <arunpyasi_> and will iptables still work if its flushed and ufw is stopped ?
[03:06] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: Again I have no powerpc experience . But if ya installed 14,04.1 and fully updated you will now be at the 14.04.5 point release and still on the 3.13- kernel series . - in a 'normal' process .
[03:06] <lord-ragnarock> Yeah PowerPC isn't exactly what I'd call Normal anymore, haha ;)
[03:06] <Bashing-om> !hwe | lord-ragnarock
[03:07] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: You are not on HWE .
[03:07] <lord-ragnarock> I guess that means Hardware Enablement Stack?
[03:07] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: Yeah .
[03:09] <lord-ragnarock> Forgive me as I'm used to Arch and stuff: In a nutshell that adds on modules from 16.04?
[03:09] <MANAND> Ello
[03:09] <lord-ragnarock> hello :)
[03:09] <MANAND> How are ya
[03:10] <lord-ragnarock> Not too bad. Trying to work out Ubuntu on my 1998 Apple Powerbook :D
[03:10] <lord-ragnarock> upgrade broke X lol
[03:10] <MANAND> Lol
[03:10] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: Well yes .. what it adds es the 16.04 kernel amd the supporting X stack . Now if ya go HWE there is no FGLRX .
[03:10] <MANAND> I hear ya
[03:11] <lord-ragnarock> Bashing-om, Ahh.
[03:11] <lord-ragnarock> Right now I'm running apt-get update, so I'll wait for that to finish :)
[03:12] <MANAND> I just dist upgraded to last version on an old acer
[03:12] <lord-ragnarock> I noticed wayland is part of that package set. Is it much different than X?
[03:12] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: That is a great thing ! .. then ' sudo apt full-upgrade ' !
[03:12] <MANAND> Brb
[03:12] <lord-ragnarock> what's full-upgrade do? :p
[03:12] <Calif> I have a really weird problem.
[03:13] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: Not messed about a lot with wayland .. but the developers are getting ready to make that jump .
[03:13] <Calif> I have no mac address on my laptop I use for ubuntu
[03:13] <MANAND> Bashing: Why not just apt upgrade?
[03:13] <Calif> In windows I circumvent this with a third party utility to spoof the mac
[03:13] <Calif> In linux I *thought* it was just as simple as editing the interfaces file
[03:14] <lord-ragnarock> I guess powerpc doesn't have full-upgrade? :P
[03:14] <MANAND> Calif: Hmm, not sure.
[03:14] <Calif> I'm also unable to bring up the interface (it's the new kind)
[03:14] <Calif> (enp3xx)
[03:14] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: "full-upfrade" deals with things that upgrade can not deal with --- say new package installs like a new kernel .
[03:14] <MANAND> I'm always learning. That: I havent learned yet. Lol.
[03:14] <lord-ragnarock> Oh wait nvm
[03:15] <lord-ragnarock> I was using apt-get :P
[03:15] <lord-ragnarock> Wait... so there is a difference. I just don't know what it is!
[03:15] <Calif> In the interfaces file I tried to manually define the mac
[03:15] <Calif> "hwaddr ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx"
[03:15] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: apt is the new apt-get ... and 14.04 does support apt .
[03:15] <MANAND> Calif: Have you looked it up online yet?
[03:15] <Calif> Yes
[03:16] <MANAND> Hmm..
[03:16] <lord-ragnarock> lol get this: "1,024 B of additional disk space" ;)
[03:16] <Calif> Because of the new format on the ethernet interface name...
[03:16] <Calif> I'm not sure if I have the syntax right
[03:16] <uxfi> hello
[03:16] <Calif> I don't know that the rest of it has changed mind you, usually I use Centos
[03:16] <Calif> I haven't touched debian based anything in forever
[03:17] <CoreArchitect> hey quick question - how can I show imported keys in the OpenSSH keys section of the seahorse thingy?
[03:17] <lord-ragnarock> I love it. Running everything over SSH, and you can just hear the hard drive clicking away :P
[03:19] <uxfi> hello CoreArchitect
[03:19] <Calif> I tried changing it via GUI but I didn't get it to show up on an ifconfig -a
[03:19] <CoreArchitect> hey uxfi
[03:19] <uxfi> whats going on
[03:20] <CoreArchitect> not much - trying to make my ssh key/remote ssh host process easier
[03:20] <CoreArchitect> failiing so far
[03:20] <lord-ragnarock> @Bashing-om, apt full-upgrade finished :)
[03:20] <uxfi> ah
[03:21] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: And rebooted ? check the kernel version now ' uname -r ' .
[03:22] <lord-ragnarock> Oh right lol :P
[03:24] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: ' ls -al /boot ' too know installed kernels and that the latest is booting ' uname -r ' .
[03:24] <lord-ragnarock> Oh. Did that install a brand new kernel? :P
[03:25] <lord-ragnarock> Well before that let me mount my Mac OS 9 hard drive lol.
[03:25] <lord-ragnarock> BootX is my bootloader, and it works in a weird way.
[03:25] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[03:26] <lord-ragnarock> Basically you run it in OS 9, and you have to have the kernel on your HFS hard drive first :)
[03:28] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: Well, you were/are booting the latest kernel for 14.04 .
[03:28] <lord-ragnarock> Oh :P
[03:29] <lord-ragnarock> well I'm fine then
[03:29] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: Still with a GUI issue after the updates ? Not that I expect any miracles :)
[03:30] <lord-ragnarock> Computer's rebooting, currently in Mac OS 9. We'll see :)
[03:32] <psychoticwarrior> lord-ragnarock try to update it to 16.04
[03:33] <lord-ragnarock> psychoticwarrior, Maybe in 2 years, unless there's an expected benefit to a nearly 20 year old Macintosh lol :P
[03:33] <lord-ragnarock> Aw crud. Same graphics issue :/
[03:34] <lord-ragnarock> Cursor pops up for 10+ seconds, reverts back to console, restarts lightdm, rinse and repeat
[03:35] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: So we back to seeing if FGLRX is available . what shows ' apt list fglrx ' .
[03:36] <lord-ragnarock> nothing :/
[03:36] <lord-ragnarock> "Listing... Done"
[03:36] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: Is there a particular reason for installing the proprietary driver over that of the open source radeon driver ?
[03:37] <psychoticwarrior> damn sounsd like you need a new machine
[03:37] <lord-ragnarock> There's an open source one? .-.
[03:37] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: Uh huh !
[03:37] <lord-ragnarock> I'm curious,  would it have installed during the upgrade?
[03:38] <Calif> I think I made some progresss
[03:38] <psychoticwarrior> apt-get install <package>
[03:38] <psychoticwarrior> try that ^^
[03:38] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: Not in your case as when you upgraded FGLRX was active .
[03:38] <Calif> instead of trying to edit the file directly I used a command line parameter,  ip link set dev interface address XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
[03:38] <lord-ragnarock> Hmm.
[03:40] <MushroomSandhog> hello
[03:40] <Brokenoz> hi
[03:40] <Bashing-om> Logicwax: I am perplexed here as the FGLRX package is there : https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=fglrx&searchon=names&suite=trusty&section=all .
[03:42] <lord-ragnarock> Did my last message get through? :P
[03:44] <Bashing-om> Logicwax: Ouch ! O see now what you mean : https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=fglrx&searchon=names&suite=trusty&section=all . Not available for the powerPC !
[03:44] <psychoticwarrior> ip link set wlan0 up
[03:44] <psychoticwarrior> ip link set interface up
[03:45] <Calif> I also had to restart the networking service after that
[03:45] <Calif> rebooting
[03:45] <Calif> lets see if the mac sticks
[03:47] <lord-ragnarock> @Bashing-om, apt install fglrx returns: "Package fglrx is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[03:47] <lord-ragnarock> Is that still a good sign lol?
[03:47] <psychoticwarrior> check out software updater
[03:47] <Jack_Sparrow__> !fglrx
[03:47] <lord-ragnarock> Is there a CLI version?
[03:48] <Bashing-om> Logicwax: Yer guess is better than mine in this case of the powerPC . lemme rethink for the open source driver , checking .
[03:48] <genii> !ppc
[03:49] <lord-ragnarock> genii: We're talking 1998 and 1995 here ;)
[03:49] <psychoticwarrior> damn
[03:51] <lord-ragnarock> Hm wait a minute. Can't you pipe a program onto an SSH'd display?
[03:52] <genii> lord-ragnarock: There are still community ports of 16.04, 16.10, and 17.04 to PowerPC platform
[03:52] <Bashing-om> genii: Question; Do we here even support the powerPC running ubuntu ?
[03:53] <lord-ragnarock> As in take a program from my PBG3 with Ubuntu, which I'm SSHing into from my Acer, and have it display on my acer?
[03:53] <genii> Bashing-om: "community port" means no, not mainstream support
[03:54] <lord-ragnarock> genii: I remember that. But last I remember 16.04 was only server only, wasn't it?
[03:55] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: ^^ sorry -- I did not realize non supported . byt the open source driver is available : https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xserver-xorg-video-radeon&searchon=names&suite=trusty&section=all .
[03:55] <genii> Nope, all DE
[03:56] <lord-ragnarock> Once someone's done with the microwave I guess I'll find out lol
[03:57] <lord-ragnarock> Neato
[03:57] <psychoticwarrior> software updater does the trick sometime
[03:57] <psychoticwarrior> guess im still on 16.04
[03:59] <shrewd> hi
[03:59] <shrewd> anybody from Mira Mesa, CA able to explain to me
[03:59] <lord-ragnarock> Oh, wow. I guess I've been looking in the wrong site for the cdimages :P
[03:59] <shrewd> or El Paso Texas, you know?  the home depot on the border
[04:00] <shrewd> i remember everything
[04:00] <shrewd> and i'm so angry
[04:00] <shrewd> how dare you engage remote control pain thingy
[04:00] <genii> lord-ragnarock: You probably want to look at ports.ubuntu.com
[04:00] <lord-ragnarock> I keep relying on cdimage.ubuntu.com hahaha
[04:00] <shrewd> the apology was nice though i don't fully believe it
[04:00] <shrewd> stop the gaslighting
[04:00] <shrewd> stop the fucking gaslighting
[04:00] <shrewd> you idiots are so bad at this
[04:00] <shrewd> i'll fix it myself
[04:00] <shrewd> you fucking CIA/FBI morons
[04:01]  * genii sips
[04:01] <lord-ragnarock> Oh you're an op lol
[04:01] <lord-ragnarock> Nice disguise ;)
[04:01] <genii> tinfoil hat profanity crowd seems strong today
[04:02] <lord-ragnarock> Anyhow, I'ma try Bashing-om's suggestion right quick, since I really don't want to go through the hassle of reinstalling everything lol :P
[04:04] <lord-ragnarock> welp. "is already the newest version"
[04:05] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: remember ya got to remove the proprietary stuff prior to install the radeon driver .
[04:06] <lord-ragnarock> It doesn't think fglrx is installed :/
[04:06] <lord-ragnarock> Unless there's another package name I need to look for lol
[04:07] <Bashing-om> lord-ragnarock: I can say no more as the powerPC has support elsewhere than here .
[04:08] <lord-ragnarock> I guess there's no harm in reinstalling everything now that I know there's actually images out on ports
[04:08] <psychoticwarrior> yea just backup if you can
[04:08] <psychoticwarrior> what version are you reinstalling
[04:09] <lord-ragnarock> Thankfully there's nothing to back up. I'm mostly installing these to simply push extra life out of these computers haha :)
[04:09] <psychoticwarrior> right on
[04:09] <psychoticwarrior> just reinstall then
[04:09] <psychoticwarrior> what version??
[04:09] <lord-ragnarock> And I'm gonna go for xenial
[04:10] <lord-ragnarock> Originally I had 12.04, whichever that is. And now both of these computers are some broken 14.04.5 update :p
[04:10] <lord-ragnarock> Curious, does apt-get still provide packages for 12.04 LTS?
[04:11] <Bashing-om> !12.04 | lord-ragnarock
[04:14] <psychoticwarrior> just download 16.04 or earlier
[04:15] <lord-ragnarock> ports.ubuntu.com led me to a kernel and ramdisk for xenial-ppc in the cdrom directory.
[04:16] <lord-ragnarock> I guess it's netinstall? :)
[04:16] <psychoticwarrior> yes
[04:16] <psychoticwarrior> grub-install /dev/sda or sdb
[04:16] <psychoticwarrior> grub-install <dev>
[04:16] <psychoticwarrior> update-grub
[04:16] <psychoticwarrior> update-initramfs -u
[04:18] <lord-ragnarock> Sweet! Means I don't have to worry about the darn expansion bay CD ROM drive :P
[04:28] <lord-ragnarock> I love wget sometimes. Didn't need to move an inch and I've got the kernel and ramdisk downloaded on the G3 powerbook ;)
[04:37] <arunpyasi_> Hi all, I have 2 servers, both are running the same website, the website running in my server is fast in the LAN but very slow in internet BUT, if I try to connect to the server which is also in the same LAN then it works fine why is that ?
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> arunpyasi_: perhaps a question for #ubuntu-server or ##networking?
[04:42] <uxfi> arunpyasi_ !!
[04:42] <uxfi> hi sir
[04:42] <psychoticwarrior> whats up
[04:50] <strive> israfel: Hi.
[04:51] <arunpyasi_> hi uxfi
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | lord-ragnarock
[04:54] <lord-ragnarock> Oh howdy lol
[04:54] <lord-ragnarock> Actually that reminds me. I just got the PowerPC kernel and ramdisk from ports.ubuntu.com
[04:55] <lord-ragnarock> Now I've got my powerbook booted off of those two (via the BootX app) - Now it's complaining there's no CD. I don't remember there being a CD image to download :(
[04:56] <lord-ragnarock> FYI xenial
[05:26] <tayzar> hi
[05:27] <psychoticwarrior> whats up
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> !chat | psychoticwarrior
[05:29] <psychoticwarrior> now im logged in
[05:30] <tayzar> Nothing ! Thank psychoticwarrior
[05:31] <psychoticwarrior> hows it going tayzar
[05:32] <tayzar> Sorry !
[05:37] <zydchina> qq
[05:37] <psychoticwarrior> hey'
[05:38] <psychoticwarrior> zydchina whats up
[05:38] <zydchina> I want to use QQ!
[05:41] <barun> hey
[06:16] <psychoticwarrior> whats up
[06:26] <syshero> hello everyone, does anyone uses backportpackage to build a package that generates multiple artifacts? I'm trying to build mailutils which the same dsc builds libmailutils but backportpackage is only uploading the mailutils package to my ppa
[06:33] <Yaser_Amiri> Hi guys! I created 3 systemd service. Now I want to create a parent service that when parent starts, child services start too. when parent stops childs stops too, when parent restarts, childs restarts too. Is it possible?! if possibles how?!
[06:35] <jerin[m]> I have a machine which lets user login, whatever be the password
[06:35] <jerin[m]> sudo commands just execute
[06:35] <jerin[m]> I checked /etc/sudoers. no NOPASSWD directive.
[06:35] <jerin[m]> Any idea what could be going wrong?
[06:35] <jerin[m]> Ubuntu 16.04 server.
[06:36] <jerin[m]> PS: No I didn't do this. I don't know who did what, to undo this
[06:39] <Ben64> jerin[m]: someone can login with any password?
[06:40] <jerin[m]> Ben64: Yep, curious case.
[06:40] <Ben64> time to format and reinstall
[06:40] <syshero> the only thing I can thin of is some pam misconfiguration or some really weird shadow corruption (which I never saw and I find it highly unlikely)
[06:41] <jerin[m]> Only one user has the problem.
[06:41] <jerin[m]> BTW.
[06:41] <jerin[m]> I have two machines with the same issue
[06:41] <jerin[m]> PAM could be the thing
[06:41] <jerin[m]> Previous sysadmins were operating that to restrict SSH access.
[06:41] <jerin[m]> These are cluster issues.
[06:41] <Ben64> i would assume malicious stuff, format&reinstall
[06:41] <jerin[m]> syshero: Any fix without formatting? How do I debug if it's PAM?
[06:43] <syshero> you can check auth.log, try to set a password to the user, check if the user has any ssh key in place, and also /etc/pam.d/common-* maybe /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[06:43] <syshero> you can also try to change on your sshd_config to UsePAM no and try again
[06:43] <syshero> to see if fix the probem with pam disabled
[06:45] <syshero> you can compare your pam configuration to another machine that works as expected
[06:46] <syshero> time to go to work
[06:53] <psychoticwarrior> anybody up?
[07:02] <profiler13> Bonjour a toutes et tous nouveau dans Ubuntu je viens de passer a la version 16.04LTS besoin d'un peu d'aide technique merci !
[07:03] <profiler13> bonjour aux ops
[07:04] <beedaddy> Hi all. I've installed Ubuntu 17.04 in a VM in order to test the installation of a flatpak application. I try to install it with "flatpak install https://url/to/app.flatpakref" which works with my Linux Distribution. But in Ubuntu, it hangs and doesn't download the gnome platform: "Receiving delta parts: 0/9 -/s 0 Bytes/194,0 MB - remaining". Is this a known problem, perhaps because of the relatively old flatpak version (0.8.5)?
[07:09] <ducasse> beedaddy: you can see if there is a bug report on launchpad to find out if it is a known problem
[07:18] <Nicho1as> is it ok to use Unbound as a normal authoritative public DNS server?
[07:18] <Nicho1as> has anyone tried it this way?
[07:18] <Nicho1as> here?
[07:19]  * Nicho1as is kind of bad at English
[07:19] <Nicho1as> not very fun.
[07:20] <uxfi> yes
[07:20] <Nicho1as> s/fun/&ny/
[07:22] <syshero> now at work :)
[07:23] <Nicho1as>  is it ok to use Unbound as a normal authoritative public DNS server? and would anyone here have tried it this way?
[07:28] <beedaddy> ducasse: Thanks. Hmm, there was a bug (#1657912) with exactly the same problem. But it was fixed with flatpak 0.8.5. But unfortunately, I am using exactly this version. :)
[07:28] <Metronomicon> hello,just downloaded ubuntu iso .The iso file however has ´desktop amd64.iso´ Does this have anything to do with having an amd coputer?Im running an i7.
[07:29] <Ben64> Metronomicon: it's just for 64bit cpus
[07:30] <Metronomicon> ok thanks ,the Amd bit got me worried for a moment
[07:44] <profiler13> Bonjour nouveau sur Ubuntu je vient d'installer besoin de conseils
[07:44] <cfhowlett> !fr | profiler13
[07:44] <Nicho1as> Is it ok to use Unbound as a normal authoritative public DNS server? and would anyone here have tried it this way?
[07:44] <psychoticwarrior> how do i upgrade to ubuntu 17.04 without installing it
[07:44] <ikonia> !upgrade | psychoticwarrior
[07:47] <psychoticwarrior> suhweet got it work
[07:49] <psychoticwarrior> im upgrading to 16.10
[07:49] <cfhowlett> supported until July.  consider LTS versions if that matters
[07:50] <maurerle> Hi guys
[07:57] <steven> is there a log of sorts for canonicals kernel patching service?
[07:57] <steven> I enabled it a few weeks ago and last night my server crashed for the very first time, so I get the feeling that canonicals patch service crashed it..
[07:59] <cfhowlett> reading the logs might be more informative than "feeling" as a troubleshooting methodology ...
[08:39] <gelb> .kust
[08:49] <theoceaniscool> Hi, how do I prevent the 'the following packages have been set back' when I apt-get upgrade?
[08:51] <libussa> hey, I'm on 16.04, I have a bluetooth speaker I'm trying to pair with my laptop, but no joy...How can I debug that?
[08:52] <psychoticwarrior> up at the top wear it has the bluetooth symbol drag it to eys
[08:52] <psychoticwarrior> yes
[08:52] <libussa> the bluetooth is activated psychoticwarrior, the laptop sees the speaker, but the pairing fails
[08:53] <psychoticwarrior> ok that sucksk
[08:53] <derpes> Anyone worked with interface bonding on 16.04? I'm running into weird problems when setting up interfaces which don't seem to be documented anywhere
[08:54] <mjr0> Hi everyone. How is the shopping lens binary search thingy calles which supposedly sends your data to canonical?
[08:55] <cfhowlett> mjr0, lens.  and it ends with 18.04.  and it sends nothing to Canonical.
[08:55] <derpes> Right now I have just bond0 with one slave, eth1, and I'm unable to `ifup bond0`
[08:56] <mjr0> cfhowlett: Great, its was a bit of weird phrasing but I ment to say: how is the binary (or process) called. I suppose that's also called lens? Thanks.
[08:56] <cfhowlett> ah.  I don't know the process name.  sorry.
[08:57] <theoceaniscool> mjr0, you can always try "ps aux | grep lens" and see if something pops up
[08:57] <derpes> first it complains it's unable to set the bond mode because there's slaves bound to it (which doesn't make a lot of sense for an interface that's down?) and shortly thereafter ifquery complains about recursion detected for bond0 in the pre-up phase (also doesn't make much since since none of the interfaces have pre-up clauses)
[08:57] <mjr0> cfhowlett: and also, why is it going to end at 18.04? Has some statement been made? And how do you know it does not send any data to <anyone>?
[08:58] <cfhowlett> mjr0, it's integrated into unity and unity ends as of 18.04.  no notice that it will be ported to gnome and it's currently disabled out of the box.
[08:59] <theoceaniscool> mjr0, In case that doesn't come up with anything, you can try with "dpkg-query -L <package name>", search the binaries and then do the "ps aux | grep <binary name>" thing again
[09:00] <mjr0> cfhowlett: Oh yes ofc. Ive just intalled 16.04 in vmware and I can find /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/unity-lens-files/unity-files-daemon
[09:00] <mjr0> But that just seems like some indexing daemon
[09:00] <cfhowlett> that would seem to be the one
[09:00] <mjr0> Also, I've heard someone mention the zeitgeist daemon. What does that do?
[09:01] <derpes> is there general documentation about any of how networking works anywhere? I've always found /etc/network/interfaces to be painful to work with because documentation is scattered through a bunch of different packages and ifconfig/ifup/ifdown all seem to have their own interpretation of what exactly an interface is and how to determine if it's up or down
[09:04] <derpes> somewhat perplexingly it looks like it might actually be working despite all of the error messages
[09:04] <derpes> how incessantly infuriating
[09:07] <cfhowlett> mjr0, regarding Unity Dash search bar  "No user-identifiable data is included with these queries, which are used to retrieve contextually relevant ads"
[09:07] <cfhowlett> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/01/ubuntu-online-search-feature-disabled-16-04
[09:13] <psychoticwarrior> upgrading to 17.04
[09:20] <psychoticwarrior> anybody have 17.04. whats your opinons on it
[09:20] <psychoticwarrior> any bugs?
[09:21] <cfhowlett> all OS have bugs
[09:23] <psychoticwarrior> true
[09:23] <psychoticwarrior> what are common bugs with 17.04?
[09:24] <derpes> OK, I guess the network issue has fixed itself somehow, and it reboots into a good configuration now, so I guess the mysteries of networking can continue to live in whatever dark place undisturbed until the next time it stops working
[09:24] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[09:24] <derpes> does anyone know if there's a way you can control the order in which filesystems mount?
[09:24] <psychoticwarrior> no idea
[09:25] <psychoticwarrior> what about /etc/fstab
[09:25] <derpes> I have a unionfs which always fails to mount on boot (even though systemd tries) because it depends on 2 other physical disks which need to be mounted first
[09:25] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[09:25] <derpes> they're in the right order in fstab, but systemd appears to ignore that order
[09:25] <ducasse> derpes: i assume you can do that through systemd mount units
[09:25] <psychoticwarrior> hmm
[09:26] <derpes> ducasse: point me to a relevant man page?
[09:26] <derpes> or a sample
[09:26] <ducasse> derpes: never tried, but as all units can have dependencies it should work. try systemd.mount first
[09:26] <derpes> it would be even nicer if it could just continue to retry mounting mount points that fail until no remaining ones succeed
[09:27] <derpes> it's a hugely dumb approach that a few heuristics would help a lot but it's probably better than just giving up halfway through?
[09:30] <hola_> How to install amazon kindle in ubuntu 17.04 ?
[09:30] <sirru5h> Howdy everyone
[09:30] <tnelumorc> how dare you idiots
[09:30] <tnelumorc> posting the rules in the kitchen? r u serious?
[09:31] <tnelumorc> Tuesday is going to be personal satisfaction day
[09:31] <hola_> ^_^
[09:36] <hola_> ollo
[09:36] <psychoticwarrior> hey
[09:39] <tnelumorc> hi FBI psychoticwarrior
[09:40] <psychoticwarrior> im not FBI
[09:40] <psychoticwarrior> are you?
[09:40] <tnelumorc> oh i forgot you guys don't have names anymore
[09:41] <tnelumorc> u there psychoticwarrior
[09:41] <cfhowlett> tnelumorc, check you channel please.  ubuntu support here.  chitchat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:42] <tnelumorc> i'm going to wreck havoc tomorrow
[09:42] <tnelumorc> technically today
[09:43] <psychoticwarrior> whys that?
[09:43] <derpes> ducasse: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.mount.html#x-systemd.requires-mounts-for=
[09:44] <derpes> it looks like you can specify a hint in fstab
[09:45] <tnelumorc> hm
[09:45] <tnelumorc> fuck you
[09:45] <ducasse> derpes: read the description of x-systemd.requires= also, last sentence
[09:45] <tnelumorc> fuck you
[09:48] <derpes> ducasse: I saw that one and it looks like x-systemd.requires-mounts-for= is more specific and also more flexible (I'm not sure using a .requires would help me here anyway because it might require a unit actually exist on disk, and I'm content to let it autogenerate them from fstab)
[09:48] <derpes> by more flexible I mean less of a pain to specify, since it just wants the dependancy mount point
[09:49] <ducasse> derpes: possible. as i said, i've never needed to mess with these, but this looks like a good place to start.
[09:50] <derpes> yeah im pretty sure the thing I linked you is going to work, im testing it now
[09:52] <ducasse> derpes: make sure to actually look these options up in the man pages on your installation, as man pages on the freedesktop site could well be for another version where things are different.
[09:53] <derpes> worst case scenario is I reboot and it doesn't fix it
[09:56] <derpes> ducasse: it seems to work (pro tip there's a handy dandy helper executable /lib/systemd/system-generators/systemd-fstab-generator which you can run and it drops the autogenerated mount units in /tmp, so I just ran that and verified that it does in fact put the necessary RequiresMountsFor option in the unionfs unit)
[09:57] <redvic> hi guys i am new to IRC and i have searched all over to find out how do i reply to someone in irc ?
[10:04] <ducasse> redvic: start typing their nick, press tab to complete it, then your message. if you want more help with irc, ask in #freenode
[10:08] <redvic> ducasse, thank you will do
[10:08] <jacobian> It seems that when I lock gnome-terminal to the launcher I'm no longer able to "open new terminal" as an option.
[10:08] <jacobian> Since moving to 17
[10:13] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:24] <psychoticwarrior> whats up ppl
[10:30] <hiru> I lost access to my bios after insatlling ubuntu in bios mode. this is probably due to the lack of boot partitions on my drive. how can I solve manually? gparted is not working
[10:31] <derpes> hiru: what does gparted do when you try it?
[10:31] <derpes> does it see partitions at all?
[10:32] <hiru> it asks me for root password but nothing after that
[10:32] <derpes> gparted on a livecd shouldn't need a password of any sort to work
[10:32] <hiru> this is the error in the terminal: /usr/sbin/gpartedbin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkmm-2.4.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:32] <hiru> I'm on a fully installed ubuntu partition right now
[10:33] <hiru> I just lost access to the bios after the installation
[10:33] <hiru> even if I wanted a bios instalaltion
[10:33] <derpes> you sure it's not just like, you have to hold delete while it's booting or something for the bios to display
[10:33] <hiru> I tried using grub repair but after it repaired everything an alert said me that there were no partition for boot at the very beginning
[10:34] <hiru> no. it happened before with a previous ubuntu installation
[10:34] <ducasse> hiru: ubuntu can not prevent you from accessing the bios
[10:34] <hiru> if I try to press DEL when booting the pc just restarts, if I try to unplug the drives only a black screen
[10:34] <hiru> yes it does
[10:34] <derpes> that is definitely not an ubuntu problem
[10:34] <ducasse> hiru: it _can't_
[10:35] <derpes> it there's no hard drives connected, there is no ubuntu
[10:35] <derpes> any problems that you're having without disks are something else
[10:35] <derpes> try looking up your motherboard model and see if you can find the bios key, it's probably just not delete
[10:35] <hiru> I previously solved the issue using a secondary HDD as boot drive in grub-repair but now I can't
[10:36] <hiru> it's the DEL key. I've been using this motherboard for more than a year and made a lot of clean install
[10:36] <derpes> try clearing the cmos, idk
[10:36] <derpes> it's not an ubuntu issue, ubuntu doesn't touch the computer's bios
[10:36] <hiru> tried that
[10:37] <hiru> I'm just saying what happened
[10:37] <hiru> installed ubuntu > can't access bios
[10:37] <derpes> ok, but it's unrelated
[10:37] <ducasse> hiru: you must have changed an uefi setting somehow
[10:37] <Gabitzuu> Hello.
[10:38] <psychoticwarrior> use super grub 2 disk
[10:38] <psychoticwarrior> once you use that
[10:38] <hiru> it's hard to tell since I can't access the bios
[10:38] <psychoticwarrior> go to boot manually and then select your partition
[10:38] <pato> gy
[10:38] <pato> y
[10:38] <pato> yh
[10:38] <pato> h
[10:38] <pato> h
[10:38] <psychoticwarrior> once you do that
[10:38] <pato> h
[10:38] <psychoticwarrior> fdisk -l
[10:38] <psychoticwarrior> grub-install <dev>
[10:38] <derpes> psychoticwarrior: I think he means the computer's setup menu bios
[10:38] <psychoticwarrior> oh whoops
[10:38] <derpes> not like the mbr or something
[10:38] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[10:38] <psychoticwarrior> my abd
[10:38] <psychoticwarrior> bad
[10:38] <ducasse> hiru: uefi has a setting for whether or not to show the bios, you should be able to reset that from the grub menu iirc
[10:39] <pato> hhh
[10:39] <pato> h
[10:39] <pato> h
[10:39] <pato> h
[10:39] <ducasse> pato: stop that
[10:39] <pato> h
[10:39] <hiru> pato shut up for a sec
[10:39] <derpes> in my experience that only controls whether the splash screen shows, and you can still get into the bios by hitting the key even if the splash doesn't show
[10:40] <derpes> i guess its probably different for every motherboard but I feel like an option which once set makes the bios inaccessible forever would be, well, poorly thought out
[10:40] <ducasse> derpes: no, there is actually a setting that can be turned on/off from the os on whether the bios access prompt should be displayed
[10:40] <psychoticwarrior> my bios must have kbc enabled in order to use the usb for windows 7 ultimate
[10:41] <hiru> I'm using a gigabyte motherboard - z170n wifi rev.1
[10:42] <hiru> I think this issue happened after I installed GNOME on ubuntu tho. I'm not sure this was happening before
[10:43] <BluesKaj> hiru,  so no pc maker, page to access the bios? Try escape, delete or Function keys F1 etc
[10:44] <hiru> I had this problem before and when I tried to enter bios with the default key the pc simply rebooted
[10:44] <psychoticwarrior> weird
[10:44] <psychoticwarrior> not really sure whats wrong with it
[10:44] <hiru> I'm not sure why this is even happening since I used a Bios installation, not a UEFI
[10:44] <ducasse> hiru: do you get the grub menu?
[10:45] <hiru> I have grub installed
[10:45] <hiru> right in front of me
[10:45] <psychoticwarrior> are there errors with grub
[10:45] <BluesKaj> hiru,  what make of pc is it ansd is the mobo the original?
[10:45] <hiru> in grub location > os to boot by default: there's only the partition where ubuntu is installed
[10:45] <ducasse> hiru: is there an entry that says something like 'system firmware'? maybe under advanced, i don't remember.
[10:46] <psychoticwarrior> ok so you only have one OS installed?
[10:46] <psychoticwarrior> that is ubuntu?
[10:46] <hiru> yep
[10:46] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[10:46] <hiru> ducasse: no sorry nothing like that
[10:46] <psychoticwarrior> does it boot at all?
[10:47] <hiru> yes it boot into ubuntu if I just leave the pc booting
[10:47] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[10:47] <hiru> when I repaired grub for the first time it said I had to make a partition of 500mb or something but I can't since gparted is not working
[10:48] <psychoticwarrior> try super grub 2 disk
[10:48] <psychoticwarrior> works perfect for me
[10:48] <hiru> since there is no partition for grub that's probably why I only see a black screen
[10:48] <akik> ducasse: what's that option to either enable or disable the bios menu? where is it?
[10:48] <BluesKaj> I suppose autologin is enabled since there's only one OS installed
[10:48] <hiru> yes autologin is enabled
[10:48] <ducasse> hiru: i think grub-install needs to be run in uefi to be able to set it. the actual efi variable you want is 8be4df61-93ca-11d2-aa0d-00e098032b8c
[10:49] <psychoticwarrior> yea try
[10:49] <psychoticwarrior> grub-install <dev>
[10:49] <psychoticwarrior> update-grub
[10:49] <psychoticwarrior> update-initramfs -u
[10:49] <hiru> so I should convert my ubunut install from bios to uefi and retry grub repair?
[10:49] <psychoticwarrior> yes
[10:49] <psychoticwarrior> try super grub 2 disk
[10:49] <psychoticwarrior> it works
[10:50] <ducasse> hiru: i'd convert it to uefi and make sure /etc/grub.d/30_uefi-firmware is run on grub-update
[10:51] <hiru> ok I'll try the conversion
[10:52] <ducasse> hiru: best suggestion i have, i'm afraid. that variable controls access to the firmware on uefi systems at least, which sounds like your problem.
[10:53] <hiru> do you think I can login in this channel using my phone? are mobile devices banned here?
[10:53] <hiru> so I can reboot without worries
[10:53] <ducasse> hiru: should work fine afaik
[10:54] <BluesKaj> yes hiru phone are fine, I've accessed using mine
[10:54] <BluesKaj> phones
[10:54] <fallentree> Hey all. I've set up a swap partition in a LUKS container. Unlocked with a key set in crypttab, the swap seems to be set up correctly. `free` shows there's swap, `swapon -sv` too. but it looks like it's not used. It's constantly 0. I've set swappiness to 90, put the system under some memory pressure, currently free shows 6G of 8G used, but swap usage is 0.
[10:57] <fallentree> This is Ubuntu 17.04 that by default installed a swapfile. Is there anything else I need to set up to make it use the partition instead?
[10:58] <hiru> ok here I am
[10:58] <psychoticwarrior> all you need is 2 partitons one for swap and one for /
[10:59] <ducasse> no, he needs an efi partition and might not need swap
[10:59] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[10:59] <Donpedro> hello
[10:59] <Donpedro> is there a way to get addr2line working with binaries compiled with -fpic and -fpie? I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[11:00] <akik> fallentree: you can use the stress application to create memory allocation
[11:00] <refeaime> Hello, guys, how much filesystem (zfs, btrfs, ext4) will use from 1PB RAW storage?
[11:00] <fallentree> akik: I did, like I said, put the system under memory pressure
[11:00] <BluesKaj> it's good to have a separate /home partition...not necessary, but very handy
[11:02] <ducasse> refeaime: ask in #zfsonlinux and #btrfs, but i doubt you can get a simple answer for that
[11:03] <refeaime> ducasse: thats bad. But thank you
[11:03] <refeaime> ducasse: can you tell about ext4?
[11:04] <ducasse> refeaime: sorry, no. maybe try #kernel?
[11:04] <akik> fallentree: for example "stress -m 1 --vm-bytes 4096M" <- tries to allocate 4 gigs of memory
[11:04] <fallentree> akik: are you even reading my responses?
[11:04] <refeaime> ducasse: do not think that #kernel desv ineresting in such kind of issue
[11:05] <akik> fallentree: yes
[11:05] <ducasse> refeaime: for zfs and btrfs it would depend on the options used and the data being stored aiui, i assume for ext4 as well
[11:05] <ducasse> refeaime: the #kernel guys are the guys behind ext4, so i would think they can answer
[11:06] <refeaime> ducasse: thank you!
[11:06] <psychoticwarrior> how come udev just hangs
[11:08] <akik> fallentree: you could maybe try increasing the swap priority. not sure why since i've never ran into this problem
[11:10] <fallentree> akik: swap priority is when you have multiple swaps
[11:10] <psychoticwarrior> i have a triple boot OS and I have one swap partition and one / partition
[11:11] <fallentree> my problem is that swap is not being used despite the memory pressure (and yes I've made sure that memory reserved has pages that are not actively used, so there's swapping candidates)
[11:11] <psychoticwarrior> and others
[11:11] <akik> fallentree: /proc/swaps shows only this one luks device?
[11:11] <fallentree> akik: yes
[11:26] <acetakwas> Hello
[11:27] <acetakwas> Trying to solve an issue with MySQL re-installation.
[11:27] <acetakwas> It says mysqld: Can't read dir of '/etc/mysql/mysql.conf.d/' (Errcode: 13 - Permission denied)
[11:27] <acetakwas> Someone mentioned something about Apparmor, so I got this as I tried to restart the Apparmor service
[11:27] <acetakwas> https://paste.ofcode.org/32cSurwGePnDwr6p2EDfPxj
[11:27] <acetakwas> Any hints as to what's going on?
[11:29] <fallentree> acetakwas: that looks like an error in the policy file. shouldn't be the cause of permission denied. you could check if usr.sbin.mysqld is in enforce mode with "aa-status" (part of apparmor-utils). if it is, put it in complain mode (aa-complain usr.sbin.mysqld) and try the mysql service again
[11:30] <fallentree> acetakwas: but then, the denial of /etc/mysql/mysql.conf.d/ should be logged, you could check with   journalctl _TRANSPORT=audit | grep "mysql.conf.d"
[11:31] <acetakwas> journalctl: command not found
[11:31] <fallentree> acetakwas: then grep the syslog (I assumed you had 15.04 or newer ubuntu, with journald)
[11:32] <steven> does canonicals kernel patch service has some kind of logging available?
[11:34] <fallentree> acetakwas: grep 'apparmor="DENIED"' /var/log/syslog | grep "mysql.conf.d"
[11:34] <psychoticwarrior> so are no tcp ports open
[11:34] <psychoticwarrior> you should do your pen testing with ettercap
[11:35] <acetakwas> fallentree::  https://paste.ofcode.org/
[11:35] <acetakwas> fallentree::  https://paste.ofcode.org/niX4KCQSKNEpAnVkX5S3Ai
[11:36] <fallentree> acetakwas: yup, the policy is broken/incomplete. you could a) put the policy in complain mode or disable it,   b) fix the policy with a local rule, file a bug report
[11:36] <acetakwas> Okay. Thanks.
[11:37] <fallentree> I recommend b) of course :)
[11:37] <acetakwas> But changing the mode of the policy may be a but difficult for me.
[11:37] <acetakwas> How do I go about it, please?
[11:38] <acetakwas> I think someone else did this.
[11:38] <fallentree> acetakwas: `aa-complain usr.sbin.mysqld` should put it in complain mode, but then keep in mind that all those denials will be getting logged (growing your syslog)
[11:39] <acetakwas> fallentree::  Great. Thanks.
[11:39] <fallentree> I still recommend you put some effort into it, AppArmor is very easy to understand and work with and yields a great benefit.
[11:39] <acetakwas> I'll probably disable it later.
[11:39] <acetakwas> Or use your preferred option.
[11:39] <acetakwas> fallentree::  Your advise is noted. Thanks again.
[11:48] <natten> anyone know how to get grub working with lvm on luks manually? I finally got grub working, but now when i select ubuntu, i dont get asked for a passphrase and then dropped to a busybox shell (initramfs)
[11:49] <steven> http://www.pavelkogan.com/2014/05/23/luks-full-disk-encryption/ natten
[11:53] <natten> steven: i am assuming the lvm2 and encrypt hooks already are inplace after a normal ubuntu installation?
[11:54] <steven> dunno, I dont use lvm
[11:54] <acetakwas> fallentree::  ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[11:54] <acetakwas> I tried aa-complain usr.sbin.mysqld
[11:54] <acetakwas> And got that^
[11:59] <fallentree> acetakwas: if the policy is in complain mode, then it's not causing it. You should check other settings, like if that socket exist and is readable through standard unix permissions.
[12:02] <refeaime> ducasse: there is no channel #kernel
[12:02] <refeaime> Only #ubuntu-kernel
[12:14] <newradio> what is a good bluetooth headset that will work with ubuntu 16.04 - preferably with a long range?
[12:15] <scottjl> pretty much any modern one. i am fond of Anker brand products. YMMV
[12:16] <newradio> scottjl: Is there an adapter that makes sure the range from my laptop is high...the distance i can go far
[12:17] <scottjl> bluetooth range is dependant on a lot of things. the chipset & antenna in your laptop, in your headset, battery power, enivonrmental factors (walls and such). stick with a name brand product and you should get something decent.
[12:18] <scottjl> i'd say look at reviews on the headset you intend on buying. as for your laptop, if it has weak bluetooth, you'll need to get a usb dongle.
[12:18] <newradio> scottjl: I tried a cheap usb dongle
[12:18] <newradio> perhaps there is a better one with an antenna, not sure
[12:19] <scottjl> look for bluetooth 4.0, or 4.1
[12:19] <scottjl> anything < 4 will have less rannge
[12:19] <newradio> i see
[12:21] <s10th24b> Anyone knows about wine for korean?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> !kr | s10th24b
[12:24] <s10th24b> Letters in wine emulator are crashed and showed as squares :(
[12:24] <s10th24b> !kr
[12:24] <s10th24b> hey #BluesKaj, whats that?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> s10th24b,  that's supposed to korean chatrooms on freenode , guess the bot doesn't have a register for them
[12:26] <BluesKaj> show'
[12:28] <s10th24b> @BluesKaj,  Thanks! I could join #ubuntu-ko !
[12:28] <BluesKaj> !ko
[12:29] <s10th24b> !ko
[12:29] <BluesKaj> no need to repeat
[12:29] <s10th24b> :) ok I just didn't know about command like ! or #
[12:30] <s10th24b> where can I instruction
[12:30] <s10th24b> ?
[12:30] <kostkon> !ubotu | s10th24b
[12:31] <s10th24b> awesome :)
[12:34] <vaskvas> hi guys! can library upgrading remove some .so.XX from disk which was linked to some binaries => broke that binaries?
[12:35] <Rick__> Hello
[12:35] <s10th24b> yo
[12:38] <vaskvas> for example i've app 'main' which is linked to libmylib.so.5. Can upgrading libmylib remove that file from disk?
[12:38] <benergy> Hey guys, is there any way to preserve nemo's connection to a server permanently?
[12:39] <Rick__> so I said that I would report my findings after having a chat here yesterday, oerheks gave me some tips.   Basically using 16.04 using Network Manager gui to connect to vpn would yield a DNS leak. However doing the manual command sudo openvpn --config 'configname.ovpn'  would work fine with no dns leak.  I tried commenting out #auto in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManger.conf -- didn't work, still leaked.  Then tried somethign else sett
[12:39] <Rick__> in /etc/default/openvpn
[12:39] <Rick__> --- still leaked
[12:40] <Rick__> only sudo openvpn --config 'configname.ovpn'  would work
[12:40] <vaskvas> fuck
[12:40] <vaskvas> fuck
[12:40] <vaskvas> fuck
[12:40] <vaskvas> fuck
[12:40] <Rick__> I even tried importing the config via command line for Network Manager and that still leaked...
[12:41] <vaskvas> do u recv my messages?
[12:49] <Rick__> (I also put     script-security 2             up /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf        down /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf      in my .ovpn file)
[12:49] <Rick__> that worked fine with sudo openvpn --config 'configfile.ovpn'
[12:50] <Rick__> is there a bug known in network manager for 16.04???
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Rick__,  do you have network-manager-openvpn installed?
[12:55] <Rick__> yes I do BluesKaj
[12:55] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:57] <BluesKaj> what tells you DNS  shows a leak, Rick__?
[12:58] <Rick__> every dns leak website I tried:  whoer    ipleak   dnsleak.com
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Rick__,  ok , let me try those ..bb in a few mins, going to enable a vpn server
[13:00] <acetakwas> fallentree::  Thanks again. A server reboot solved my problems.
[13:00] <roelof> Is this a good channel to ask for help on making a server with ubuntu-server ?
[13:00] <Rick__> just a heads up, it worked fine with ubuntu 14.04 ... through network manager
[13:00] <scottjl> #ubuntu-server might be better
[13:01] <agramirez74> ciao
[13:01] <agramirez74> !list
[13:02] <hiru> I need someone to guide me in the process of making a new partition on my main drive via command line. is this possible?
[13:03] <scottjl> possible? yes.
[13:03] <hiru> even if I can't use a live cd to do that?
[13:03] <EriC^^> hiru: depends, type "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link here
[13:05] <hiru> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/gyjr
[13:05] <EriC^^> hiru: where do you want to take the space from?
[13:06] <hiru> the linux partition. I can't boot into the bios so I tried using grub-repair but I need a ext4 partition at the beginning of the drive
[13:09] <EriC^^> hiru: that doesn't make sense, the linux partition shouldn't make a difference for booting into the bios
[13:09] <EriC^^> unless you meant booting in bios mode
[13:10] <oerheks> this cannot be done without live iso, AFAIK
[13:11] <hiru> eh then I'm stuck. ubuntu kidnapped my motherboard bios..
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Rick__, which DNS IP does the leak show ?
[13:13] <Rick__> when i did it yesterday, my isp one lol
[13:13] <Rick__> have you connected via command line sudo openvpn.....  or with network-manager gui
[13:14] <EriC^^> hiru: it might have fastboot enabled
[13:14] <EriC^^> disable that and you can access the bios, read up on your motherboard docs
[13:15] <hiru> I can't tell since I can't enter the bios AND resetting CMOS does not work
[13:16] <EriC^^> which motherboard is it? hiru
[13:16] <hiru> gigabyte z170n wifi rev1
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Rick__,  i connect via the cli. i don't use NM, I have the vpn server files (.ovpn) set in /etc/openvpn and ai use a script alias to connect
[13:19] <Rick__> BluesKaj,  is your dns leaking at all?
[13:19] <nazarewk> is there vim themepack package in ubuntu?
[13:20] <Rick__> https://whoer.net/
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Rick__,  it seems so ,but the IP appears to be a subset of the vpn server
[13:20] <hiru> EriC^^: I have an idea: since I can't partition my main drive I can try making a boot partition on my hdd and using grab-repair to set that drive as boot drive. then I can try entering bios
[13:21] <hiru> forgot to mention that linux is stored on my ssd
[13:21] <EriC^^> hiru: hmm hold on
[13:21] <leftyfb> hiru: nothing on your HDD's will affect your ability to get into your BIOS
[13:21] <BluesKaj> the server is in Miami , but the dns leak shows Charlotte NC , and I'm not even located in the US, Rick__
[13:21] <hiru> that's how I fixed the last time. I set the HDD as boot partition and bam! the bios was back
[13:22] <leftyfb> hiru: Ubuntu is not affecting your ability or inability to get into your BIOS. It's a matter of hitting the correct keys at the correct time based on your motherboard.
[13:22] <leftyfb> hiru: that's not how it works
[13:22] <hiru> leftyfb: I spammed the DEL key for 15 minutes and no bios
[13:22] <EriC^^> hiru: try pressing f6 when it starts
[13:22] <Rick__> BluesKaj, so just to confirm, your dns is leaking too,  https://whoer.net/     http://dnsleak.com/ (you have run this one twice --  first run is always flakey, delete the token in the url)
[13:22] <hiru> ok I'll reboot and see what happens with F6
[13:22] <leftyfb> hiru: that's also not how it works. You have to hit it at the right time, not for an extended period of time
[13:23] <hiru> since the screen is black I can't tell when is the right time
[13:23] <EriC^^> hiru: 1 sec
[13:23] <leftyfb> hiru: before it's black
[13:23] <hiru> btw spamming the key always worked to enter the bios, I don't think my bios care if I press it more than one time
[13:23] <leftyfb> not for 15 minutes it doesn't
[13:24] <EriC^^> hiru: ok give it a shot, there must be a button but you have to be quick cause of the fastboot
[13:24] <EriC^^> apparently there's an ultrafast boot option too that you reset from software from windows or something
[13:25] <hiru> I had multiple linux distro before ubuntu and resetted the cmos after tha first issue with boot partition so it's probably safe to say that ultrafast boot is not enabled
[13:25] <hiru> I'll be back, hopefully
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Rick__,  they both show the ame DNS leak IP
[13:25] <BluesKaj> same
[13:29] <sirru5h> Howdy everyone
[13:30] <Rick__> BluesKaj  I've pasted what I've said on the #ubuntu-bugs .... haven't got any reply yet :(
[13:32] <cfhowlett> no instant replies
[13:42] <rockyh> Hi!
[13:42] <rockyh> If I install sssd in Ubuntu 16.04 and use it for authentication, should I remove nscd?
[13:43] <Guest92287> hii
[13:45] <sirru5h> howdy Guest92287
[13:54] <francio> hello
[14:01] <someone235> Hi, I have nginx installed, but I can access to it only internally, not externally. Any advice?
[14:02] <someone235> I mean, I get its answer when I do curl localhost
[14:04] <leftyfb> someone235: comment out your "listen" directive in the config
[14:04] <leftyfb> someone235: or specify the ip you'd like it to listen on
[14:04] <leftyfb> someone235: as part of the documentation
[14:08] <lrojas> is there a ppa to install chrome on 16.04 ?
[14:09] <lrojas> exit
[14:10] <Jack_Sparrow__> I got my chrome straight from google
[14:11] <leftyfb> lrojas: google.com/chrome  Once installed, it'll add it's own ppa
[14:11] <lrojas> leftyfb: thanks
[14:11] <boxrick1> Good afternoon, I am looking for a little bit of advice re: personal Ubuntu mirror. I am my own mirror to keep packages local and it currently updates once per day. Every now and again it seems to update whilst one of the upstream mirrors is updating causing odd package inconsistencies. Does anyone have any workarounds or advice for this?
[14:11] <lrojas> Jack_Sparrow__: thanks
[14:11] <Jack_Sparrow__> https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/index.html?brand=CHBD&gclid=CPjApPmYhtQCFQxufgodUV8Pkg&dclid=CPS10fmYhtQCFQyOfgodQ8EKyw
[14:11] <someone235> leftyfb, are you sure?
[14:11] <someone235>         listen 80 default_server;
[14:11] <someone235>         listen [::]:80 default_server ipv6only=on;
[14:11] <leftyfb> boxrick1: update every hour
[14:12] <someone235> this is the config ^^. it looks very general for me
[14:12] <leftyfb> someone235: https://nginx.org/en/docs/beginners_guide.html
[14:12] <Jack_Sparrow__> boxrick1, aptoncd
[14:12] <boxrick1> So no better checking for if its broken and skipping an update?
[14:12] <leftyfb> someone235: please post things like this to pastebin
[14:12] <someone235> leftyfb, sorry, I thought two lines are ok
[14:12] <leftyfb> boxrick1: not that I know of. Since it only downloads deltas, there's no reason you shouldn't just update more regularly
[14:13] <boxrick1> Oh I dont have a problem with updating more frequently. But it seems like its a sidestep to the issue rather than actually fixing it
[14:13] <boxrick1> How do official mirrors deal with such things?
[14:17] <k6kt> Does anyone know deepin ?
[14:19] <leftyfb> k6kt: do you need help with ubuntu?
[14:21] <k6kt> I want replace ubuntu with another linux.so please give some advice
[14:21] <ducasse> k6kt: then ask in ##linux
[14:23] <someone235> leftyfb, sorry, I didn't quire understand how the link you gave me is supposed to help
[14:24] <leftyfb> someone235: try listen 0.0.0.0:80
[14:27] <dshap> Hi all, I'm looking at the output from strace on a process that I believe to be stuck, and it just says "read(15, " with nothing else. How do I find out what it's trying to read?
[14:27] <someone235> leftyfb, like this? https://pastebin.com/v7ezQkij
[14:27] <someone235> sec
[14:27] <leftyfb> someone235: no, replace the first line, not the 2nd. The 2nd was ipv6
[14:28] <Random832> dshap, find out what's on file 15. ls -l /proc/[pid]/fd/15
[14:28] <dshap> Random832: that says this: lrwx------ 1 ubuntu ubuntu 64 May 23 14:28 /proc/462/fd/15 -> socket:[2854136]
[14:29] <Random832> ok, what is the process and what might it be doing with a socket?
[14:29] <someone235> leftyfb, no need
[14:29] <someone235> leftyfb, stupid me. It had server name localhost
[14:29] <dshap> It's a python program and it could be communicating with my database server
[14:29] <someone235> very weird default config
[14:30] <Random832> dshap, netstat -anp and look for the pid
[14:31] <Random832> or just lsof -p [pid]
[14:31] <Dom`> hey, having a problem with my server, I can't connect to the internet
[14:31] <Dom`> it's dhcp
[14:31] <Dom`> working 100%, as I tested it on my pc
[14:31] <Dom`> my /etc/network/interfaces is: auto enp11s0f1 iface enp11s0f1 inet dhcp
[14:32] <dshap> Random832: it shows an established connection to an address on port 3306 (MySQL) that has received 0
[14:32] <Dom`> I can't ping google, unknown host
[14:32] <Random832> dshap, if it's trying to read it that means it's expecting mysql to be writing something.
[14:32] <leftyfb> Dom`: can you ping 8.8.8.8?
[14:32] <Dom`> nope, network unreachable
[14:33] <leftyfb> Dom`: does it have an ip?
[14:33] <Dom`> no, it doesn't get the ip
[14:33] <leftyfb> Dom`: what does your logs say?
[14:33] <dshap> Random832: any suggestion as to what you'd do next to figure out what's going on? My web application is running fine, so I know MySQL is not *currently* broken...I suppose it could have had a hiccup? Not sure how I'd go about verifying that
[14:33] <leftyfb> Dom`: cables all plugged in correctly?
[14:33] <Dom`> cables are in
[14:33] <Dom`> where are logs located?
[14:33] <leftyfb> Dom`: got a working dhcp server/router on the other end?
[14:33] <leftyfb> Dom`: /var/log/
[14:34] <Random832> dshap, no idea, i don't know enough about the python mysql library to have a clue here
[14:34] <leftyfb> Dom`: you probably want /var/log/syslog
[14:34] <leftyfb> Dom`: what's the purpose of this server?
[14:34] <dshap> Random832: ah, well maybe it's related to the python mysql client library and not the server, so that's helpful right there :) Thank you!
[14:34] <Dom`> I need it for gameservers
[14:34] <Random832> i mean the key fact is that it's trying to read something and there's nothing there to be read.
[14:35] <leftyfb> Dom`: is it ubuntu server or desktop?
[14:35] <Dom`> server
[14:35] <dshap> Yep, understood.
[14:35] <Random832> it's *unusual* for a socket application to start a blocking read without already knowing (via poll/select e.g.) that there's data there, so my instinct is to blame the client library in this case since it's the one doing that.
[14:35] <Dom`> nevermind, I fixed it
[14:35] <leftyfb> Dom`: what was it?
[14:36] <Random832> and in the cases where that is done i'd expect it to have recently sent a request - anything about that in the strace output?
[14:36] <Dom`> I configured the wrong interface :(
[14:36] <Dom`> haha, thanks
[14:36] <Random832> should be a write or send on the same socket
[14:36] <Dom`> I mean, in my defense
[14:36] <Dom`> they are labelled wrong
[14:36] <dshap> Random832: the entire strace output is "read(15, "
[14:37] <Random832> ok so you didn't attach strace until after it froze
[14:37] <dshap> Random832: correct
[14:37] <Random832> well at this point i'd restart the python app under strace and see if it happens again
[14:38] <Random832> without knowing what's happened before it could just as well be a mysql problem or a network system problem
[14:38] <Random832> honestly i'm surprised it hasn't timed out in the amount of time we've been having this conversation
[14:39] <Random832> though if the connection is alive and just not sending any data for some reason i guess that's not surprising
[14:39] <dshap> Random832: I'm surprised the client library hasn't timed out and raised an exception. I think the best solution here is probably to add a timeout/retry in my own code. This happens approximately once every 2-3 days
[14:40] <dshap> I fix it by logging onto the server, manually killing the process, and restarting it
[14:40] <dshap> but if I'm not available to do that, a bunch of tasks queue up on our application and it's not a good look :\
[14:42] <dshap> Random832: thanks a lot for your help. I forgot about "lsof" that shows you the details for the file descriptor ID that strace displays
[14:42] <sshifty> Hey! Anyone has an idea how to change keyboard backlit settings in BIOS(Insydeh20), the backlit after 20secs of inactivity  goes off
[14:44] <leftyfb> sshifty: your question is not related to ubuntu
[14:45] <mocxz> ls
[14:45] <mocxz> heloo
[14:45] <sshifty> leftyfv: you are quite right, but ytad somebody told me to check bios, but there's no option for that. Is there any chance to do that in ubuntu?
[14:47] <Jack_Sparrow__> sshifty, It comes down to those not being a supported hardware device
[14:48] <leftyfb> sshifty: https://askubuntu.com/questions/586210/no-keyboard-backlighting try those?
[14:49] <Jack_Sparrow__> sshifty, As more people get them there will be workarounds available
[14:51] <sshifty> i've alrady tried these things but no luck, I can turn it on/off with func  keys, just goes of after 20 secs of inactivty and goes back when I press a buttonm
[14:52] <leftyfb> sshifty: isn't that how it's supposed to work?
[14:52] <leftyfb> sounds like it's working perfectly
[14:52] <Jack_Sparrow__> Cool
[14:53] <sshifty> well, I'd like it to be on till i turn it off
[14:53] <sshifty> or at least change the time from 20secs to 1min
[14:57] <KennyQ> I'm trying to make a live usb flash drive of ubuntu. I got a laptop with ubuntu preinstalled from a friend. but I am locked out of root. I tried using the start creator but it gives me an error. I just downloaded the iso of the stable version of ubuntu. and i copy and pasted it to the usb flash drive. I only have a chromebook. I pasted the usb flash drive to the chromebook. but i don't know how to find the iso via terminal. what is the 
[14:57] <v5> u can't just copy paste, use unetbootin
[14:58] <leftyfb> he can't install unetbootin because he doesn't have sudo/root
[14:58] <KennyQ> I can't install it on the ubuntu on guest mode and the chromebook won't let me install any programs
[14:58] <leftyfb> KennyQ: what is the error you get?
[14:59] <KennyQ> install error
[14:59] <leftyfb> KennyQ: when running the startup creator
[14:59] <leftyfb> KennyQ: that's it? Those are the exact words and nothing else?
[14:59] <KennyQ> i can dd if the command line. but i need to know how to find the file on the chromebook
[14:59] <v5> why can't u access root
[14:59] <v5> use the reboot hack
[14:59] <leftyfb> you probably won't be able to dd to a device file in you don't have sudo/root
[14:59] <v5> reboot on console and mount your drive and change the passworfd
[15:00] <SimonNL> KennyQ: search on the same place you pasted it too.
[15:00] <KennyQ> I enable dev mode on the chromebook. I have full root access on the chromebook via terminal
[15:00] <v5> https://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password
[15:01] <leftyfb> v5: it's his friend's laptop. I wouldn't recommend changing passwords
[15:01] <KennyQ> ah, i don't have the orginal root password
[15:02] <KennyQ> he told me just reinstall the ubuntu os
[15:02] <v5> you don't need it his password at all
[15:02] <leftyfb> oh
[15:02] <v5> to do it
[15:02] <KennyQ> but i don't have access to windows/mac machine to install unetbootin
[15:02] <EriC^^> init=/bin/bash
[15:02] <v5> unless he's got the disk partition crypted
[15:02] <leftyfb> KennyQ: so the end goal is to wipe the laptop and put ubuntu on it?
[15:02] <KennyQ> yes
[15:02] <EriC^^> !nomodeset | KennyQ put that init line instead of nomodeset
[15:02] <leftyfb> ah, that makes things easier
[15:03] <v5> then do this to get root and do the usb the right way
[15:03] <leftyfb> KennyQ: ^^^^ what EriC^^ posted
[15:03] <v5> then format
[15:03] <EriC^^> KennyQ: when you get the shell do "mount -o remount,rw /"
[15:03] <EriC^^> then "passwd"
[15:03] <leftyfb> gross
[15:03] <leftyfb> passwd <existing username>
[15:04] <leftyfb> change the pass for the user, not root
[15:04] <EriC^^> for root it wont matter
[15:04] <KennyQ> i already downloaded the iso on a usb flash drive. I pasted the iso onto the /Downloads - but im not famailair with the command lines to dd if command the iso onto the usb flash drive. i already know did fdisk -l. so i am missing some commands
[15:04] <leftyfb> login as user, use sudo
[15:04] <EriC^^> ah wait just create a username with sudo
[15:04] <EriC^^> forgot its ubuntu
[15:04] <v5> ok ok
[15:04] <KennyQ> i already did ls
[15:04] <Jack_Sparrow__> KennyQ, dd ing that iso will not make is a bootable os
[15:04] <v5> 1/ u don't paste an iso into an usb, u use a tool, you need to use smth like unetbootin
[15:04] <KennyQ> but not sure where to find the dir or folder on the chromebook
[15:05] <v5> 2/ you're gonna get it formatted anyway, so get root, it takes 30s
[15:05] <KennyQ> i have done it before. with the dd
[15:05] <leftyfb> KennyQ: change the password for the user on the laptop the way we showed you above
[15:05] <KennyQ> okay
[15:08] <EriC^^> KennyQ: lsblk shows disks
[15:08] <EriC^^> KennyQ: and mount /dev/sdxY /mnt to mount them to browse the files
[15:09] <KennyQ> crap, something frooze when i did a typo on the remout
[15:09] <KennyQ> remount
[15:11] <KennyQ> egh
[15:11] <solarbee> noob installing dual boot on a win10/UEFI system, disabled secure boot/hibernation/fast startup, anything else I should be concerned with?
[15:12] <KennyQ> it frooze twice on the recovery menu
[15:12] <Dom`> my php is not being executed, but it instead shows the entire code
[15:12] <Dom`> I have the right permissions
[15:12] <KennyQ> mount -o rw,remount /
[15:12] <Dom`> any help with that?
[15:13] <KennyQ> i installed ubuntu before
[15:13] <KennyQ> no, it froze
[15:13] <v5> you don't have another computer?
[15:13] <v5> I mean, you can even boot with your phone nowdays
[15:13] <KennyQ> just a chromebook with root access
[15:14] <v5> uuh what?
[15:14] <v5> tell me exactly what you have, and what you need, and clearly please
[15:14] <v5> if you have physical access you can do anything, I can't imagine you stuck at this
[15:15] <KennyQ> i disabled the verified mode on the chromebook. went into dev mode. I CRTL+ALT+T for a terminal. typed in shell. I could also type in sudo su for su access if i choose too
[15:15] <KennyQ> i don't know the directory to find the iso of ubuntu
[15:16] <v5> where did u download it?
[15:16] <v5> it's prolly on Downloads
[15:16] <v5> but really
[15:16] <v5> if you're not familiar with terminal
[15:16] <v5> WHY would you use it
[15:16] <KennyQ> i downloaded it on my friend's computer, but the startupcreator didn't work
[15:17] <KennyQ> because i need help with the basic of ls, cd or whatever to find the dir to make a live usb flash drive of ubuntu
[15:17] <v5> you don't need any terminal for that, you download a tool, it's a GUI it's easy to use and shit
[15:18] <v5> if you want to find the iso, well it's prolly on downloads
[15:18] <v5> type
[15:18] <v5> cd && cd Downloads && ls
[15:18] <v5> and tell me if you see it
[15:18] <KennyQ> chronos@localhost / $ cd && cd Downloads && ls ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso chronos@localhost ~/Downloads $
[15:19] <v5> so you see it
[15:19] <v5> now what do you wanna do with it
[15:19] <v5> copy it into a usb drive ?
[15:19] <KennyQ> dd if
[15:20] <v5> I'm sorry but this makes absolutely no sense
[15:20] <hateball> KennyQ: What device is the thumbdrive? sdb?
[15:21] <hateball> KennyQ: run "lsblk" to show block devices, that should make it obvious
[15:21] <KennyQ> sudo umount /dev/sda1
[15:21] <KennyQ> i already did the sudo fdisk -l
[15:21] <KennyQ> sudo dd if=/path/to/ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
[15:21] <v5> dd if=path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sd1  then
[15:21] <KennyQ> not sure whats the path
[15:22] <v5> type
[15:22] <v5> pwd
[15:22] <hateball> v5: You dont want want to dd to a partition, that'll render it unbootable
[15:22] <KennyQ> im okay wiping my 2gb usb flash drive
[15:22] <hateball> Instead you need to dd to the device, or it wont write the mbr
[15:22] <KennyQ> it give me a
[15:23] <KennyQ> a slash when i typed in pwd
[15:23] <v5> sudo dd if=~/Downloads/ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
[15:23] <v5> that's the path
[15:24] <v5> and yes hateball, you're right
[15:24] <hateball> It's just that it's easy to make that mistake and think it's not possible to use dd :p
[15:24] <hateball> I may have done so multiple times
[15:26] <KennyQ> okay i did
[15:26] <KennyQ> sudo dd if=~/Downloads//ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sda1 bs=1M
[15:26] <KennyQ> its writing right now, thanks
[15:26] <leftyfb> that will not work
[15:26] <KennyQ> ?
[15:27] <leftyfb> KennyQ: sda, not sda1
[15:27] <KennyQ> thats what it said on sudo fdisk -l
[15:27] <leftyfb> even then, i've had trouble doing it this way
[15:28] <KennyQ> what is it writing than? the light indicator is writing something on the usb flash drive
[15:28] <leftyfb> KennyQ: also, are you sure? What is the device for the drive on your chromebook?
[15:28] <leftyfb> KennyQ: it's writing it to a partition where it should be writing it to the drive directly
[15:28] <KennyQ> yes, i did a sudo fdisk -l before plugging in the usb flash drive
[15:29] <KennyQ> its the sda1
[15:29] <leftyfb> either way, if sda is the usb, then it's /dev/sda, not sda1
[15:29] <leftyfb> sda1 is a partition on sda. Do not write your iso to the partition, it won't work. Write it to sda directly
[15:29] <iwo> Hey, I'm on 17.04 with Intel i915 graphics and I'm suddenly seeing graphical corruption of gnome apps. Has anyone else seen this?
[15:29] <KennyQ> well, with sudo fdisk -l
[15:29] <KennyQ> it says
[15:30] <KennyQ> Device     Boot Start     End Sectors  Size Id Type /dev/sda1  *     2048 3911679 3909632  1.9G  b W95 FAT32
[15:30] <compdoc> iwo, either the video driver, or bad ram
[15:30] <iwo> The background of apps like gedit, meld, gnome-calculator is corrupted so they're impossible to use
[15:30] <leftyfb> KennyQ: sda is the drive, sda1 is a partition on the drive. You do not write an iso to the partition of the drive. You write it to the drive directly
[15:30] <nacc> KennyQ: what is curently on your disk isn't really relevant, you're trying to overwrite it with a new disk image
[15:30] <iwo> it only seems to affect GTK apps, and it's consistent (gedit always has corrupted content in the blank page area)
[15:31] <black_vegetable> Hey, I have a question about release versions of mysql-server stored in apt. It seems that at the time of this writing, in the 5.7 series, only 5.7.11 and 5.7.18 are available for installation. I was hoping to pin to version 5.7.17 and was saddened to find it removed from apt. Why is 5.7.11 still there? (Ubuntu 16.04)
[15:31] <KennyQ> hmm
[15:31] <KennyQ> its done
[15:31] <leftyfb> KennyQ: now redo it correctly
[15:31] <nacc> black_vegetable: 5.7.11 was the 'release' version, when 16.04 came out
[15:32] <nacc> black_vegetable: everything else is from -security or -updates
[15:32] <nacc> black_vegetable: (or -proposed, etc.)
[15:32] <leftyfb> KennyQ: sudo dd if=~/Downloads//ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sda bs=1M
[15:32] <KennyQ> it says I have 1000 MB left. yeah somethings not right
[15:32] <leftyfb> KennyQ: sudo dd if=~/Downloads//ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sda bs=1M
[15:32] <leftyfb> wait
[15:32] <leftyfb> left on where?
[15:32] <leftyfb> your chromebook?
[15:33] <black_vegetable> nacc: That makes sense about .11. What do you mean about -security, -updates, and -proposed? I don't quite understand.
[15:33] <KennyQ> yeah
[15:33] <leftyfb> KennyQ: good job, you probably overwrote your chromebook
[15:33] <KennyQ> i did properties
[15:33] <KennyQ> ehh its fine
[15:33] <nacc> black_vegetable: there are multiple pockets in each release. the 'release' pocket never changes once a version of ubuntu releases. All updated packages from one of 'xenial-security', 'xenial-updates', 'xenial-proposed', 'xenial-backports' (for xenial, of course)
[15:33] <leftyfb> KennyQ: this is why I was asking you which drive was your chromebook and which was the usb
[15:33] <KennyQ> i can re-enable verified boot, it'll reinstall chrome os good as new
[15:34] <leftyfb> KennyQ: you assume so
[15:34] <leftyfb> KennyQ: go try it
[15:34] <KennyQ> its from a seprate partition
[15:34] <melt> Hello, I have ubuntu 16.04 and I am using a kernel 4.11 which is not in the xenial repo. I want to install the linux 4.11 source as a package so I can install nvidia proprietary drivers. What is the easiest way?
[15:35] <leftyfb> KennyQ: next time, use `sudo lsblk` to verify drive assignments
[15:35] <leftyfb> melt: get the source package from the same place you got the kernel package
[15:35] <KennyQ> yup, the damage is done
[15:35] <melt> Thanks for the quick reply leftyfb, obviously that would be too easy. They provided linux-image and linux-headers only.
[15:36] <leftyfb> melt: then you don't get the source if they don't provide it
[15:36] <black_vegetable> nacc: Sorry if I seem foolish. Are these pockets possible sources that apt-get will be looking to for packages? As in, I must have one of those specified but I should check to see if another has the version I'm interested in?
[15:37] <melt> leftyfb: Can I easily install linux-source-4.11 via a package? Did not see one provided at the mainline ppa.
[15:37] <nacc> black_vegetable: nothing to apologize for
[15:37] <leftyfb> melt: if it's not available as a package, then no, you cannot install it as a package
[15:38] <melt> leftyfb: Am I looking in the right place? I don't see any kernel source packages anywhere, to be honest, and I feel that I am looking in the wrong place.
[15:39] <melt> Maybe debian experimental repo?
[15:39] <KennyQ> no worry, i can always download the system restore on a 4GB flash drive and it'll reinstall everything if worst comes to worse
[15:39] <leftyfb> melt: what you are asking for is beyond the scope of official Ubuntu support. 4.11 was never a supported kernel.
[15:39] <melt> Ah, it's 4.10 and 4.12 for support then?
[15:39] <nacc> black_vegetable: yes, they are what's in sources.list
[15:39] <melt> I see 4.10.0 in the repo.
[15:40] <nacc> melt: the mainline PPA is explicitly unsupported
[15:40] <melt> hmmmm
[15:40] <melt> Always something with these debian forks
[15:40] <melt> free non free support not support
[15:41] <nacc> melt: you were using the mainline PPA?
[15:41] <leftyfb> black_vegetable: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mysql-5.7/mysql-server-5.7_5.7.11-0ubuntu6_amd64.deb
[15:41] <nacc> leftyfb: right, that's the release pocket version
[15:42] <leftyfb> oh right, he was looking for 17
[15:42] <leftyfb> black_vegetable: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mysql-5.7/mysql-server-5.7_5.7.17-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[15:43] <jewels> Hi there. I am trying to configure correctly the NVIDIA 920M on my Acer laptop. I report here some information about my system. First of all, the xorg.conf file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24634513/
[15:43] <melt> Should have known
[15:43] <black_vegetable> leftyfb: in the vein of "teaching a man a fish" How could I find that via apt-get/apt-cache? What line would I need to have, specifically, in my /etc/apt/sources.list?
[15:43] <nacc> melt: the mainline PPA has nothing to do with debian, please don't FUD.
[15:43] <nacc> black_vegetable: it's hidden, because you shouldn't be using it :)
[15:43] <nacc> black_vegetable: as the ubuntu security team are saying use 5.7.18 :)
[15:44] <jewels> This is the lspci command execution: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24634527/
[15:44] <black_vegetable> nacc: Ah, so the implication is because it has a security fix, I really shouldn't use the old version.
[15:44] <jewels> At the moment nvidia-settings doesn't allow me to increase the resolution which is really low (about 640x480)
[15:45] <jewels> How can I automatically detect the best resolution for my graphic card?
[15:45] <leftyfb> black_vegetable: why do you need that old version?
[15:45] <black_vegetable> nacc: my trouble is, apt-updates restart mysql-server and I'd like to be very specific about when those restarts happen. I'm using ansible and I have an incentive to pin to a single version. But I guess I shouldn't.
[15:45] <jewels> I have installed the nvidia-745 from the ubuntu repository
[15:46] <EriC^^> jewels: is the recommended driver installed? try sudo ubuntu-drivers devices
[15:46] <nacc> black_vegetable: that is true; also the most recent version available is what you shold use (generally). You might be able to pin/specify a version to install
[15:46] <jewels> EriC^^: there is also the 381
[15:46] <fallentree> black_vegetable: service restarts are hard coded in the package manager. there's a way to block "maintainer scripts" which in turn prevent service restarts, but I gave up having other issues with it.
[15:47] <jewels> EriC^^: seems that it is the recommended one. Should I uninstall the 375 driver and install 381?
[15:48] <black_vegetable> fallentree: that's truly irritating. I'm on 17 because that's what's running on master shards and I don't want to restart them if I can avoid it. I'm less than a month into my new role as an SRE at a new company working with mysql administration for the first time.
[15:49] <black_vegetable> nacc: I cannot pin it to a version that apt cannot find, e.g. 17
[15:50] <black_vegetable> nacc: So, was every version from 11 to 18 a security fix then?
[15:50] <minimec> jewels: It looks like the screen cannot send its EDID data correctly to the card. Do you have the possibility to change the connection type once. like from DVI to HDMI or so? Worst case scenario would be to add the correct resolution manually.
[15:51] <jewels> minimec: I'm not using any external monitor right now. I'm using the built-in monitor for my laptop.
[15:51] <jewels> minimec: When I use an external monitor I tipically use a VGA connection...
[15:52] <jewels> minimec: EriC^^: I am installing nvidia-381 right now.
[15:53] <EriC^^> jewels: ok
[15:54] <minimec> jewels: Can you install the 'mesa-utils' package and give us the output of 'glxinfo | grep renderer', please?
[15:55] <nacc> black_vegetable: not necessarily, no. -- unlikely even
[15:55] <black_vegetable> nacc: Oh but the vulnerability is likely in each of them that was found in 17!
[15:55] <jewels> minimec: ok, give me a second. It is finishing the download of nvidia-381.
[15:56] <BluesKaj> must be an higher end nvidia card
[15:56] <BluesKaj> a=a
[15:57] <anita__> Hi, I'm trying to install cloudera manager, but I m getting a message Failed to detect root privilege. It means that the user witch I m using haven"t root privileges. I already edited the file /etc/sudoers but it did nothing, any help please
[15:57] <anita__> I have a Ubuntu 14.04 64bits
[16:02] <anita__> Hello
[16:02] <Slade> lost my ssh connection while doing an upgrade. is there a good way to recover the session?
[16:03] <jewels> minimec: Rebooting the system after the correct installation of the nvidia-381 driver.
[16:03] <black_vegetable> anita__: I'm no expert, but I do have a question: did you use visudo to edit the file?
[16:03] <anita__> black_vegetable, yes, I did
[16:04] <black_vegetable> anita__: what is the command you are running to install cloudera manager? Can you paste it here?
[16:05] <fallentree> Slade: no, but next time consider tmux or screen which will forward-maintain the session in case you disconnect.
[16:06] <Slade> fallentree, guess just restart the install?
[16:07] <anita__> black_vegetable, I've already installed cloudera manager. Here I m trying to configure a cluster or add a new one
[16:07] <fallentree> Slade: I suppose so, don't know what state you have there, I was merely commenting on using ssh and ensuring tasks don't get interrupted if your connection breaks.
[16:07] <Slade> fallentree, its asking me if i want it to run automatically uninterrupted :P
[16:08] <black_vegetable> anita__: Sorry if I'm asking dumb questions -- it is possible you're a far more experienced ubuntu-er than I. Are you running the cluster setup commands with "sudo"?
[16:08] <jewels> minimec: the result of glxinfo | grep renderer is: "OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 920M/PCIe/SSE2
[16:09] <fallentree> Slade: I think that refers to being asked questions, not ssh connection breaking. Not sure, but still, consider tmux or screen, just to be sure.
[16:09] <Slade> yea. gotta get machine back into restartable state
[16:09] <Slade> my provider defaults me to 14.04
[16:09] <jewels> minimec: The initial resolution after rebooting is really low. The good news is that I am able to see the prime monitor in nvidia settings with the new driver. So, I have used arandr to change the resolution. How can I save this configuration?
[16:10] <minimec> jewels: Ok. I wanted to be sure that the nvidia driver is used. Now you still have the same resolution prbolem, even with the newer driver version?
[16:10] <anita__> black_vegetable, https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nV1s2WeJpwo/Vv31qwOFLoI/AAAAAAAAFTU/r9FWXxGGPeowcLmX13w-tECPntWcNJMBw/s640/2016-03-31_13h54_35.jpg
[16:10] <fallentree> Slade: so this is a very new 14.04 installation you want to upgrade?
[16:11] <Slade> fallentree, thats what iwas doing.. but gotta start over again i guess
[16:11] <black_vegetable> anita__: Yeah, if I had to guess I'd say the problem lay in the sudoers configuration, but I've never set up such a file myself. Darn.
[16:12] <minimec> jewels: If you can, run 'sudo nvidia-settings' and do your changes and save the configuration. It should then be saved in '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'.
[16:12] <anita__> black_vegetable, well I ve looked everywhere and did all recommendations but still have no results
[16:13] <fallentree> Slade: that's the best thing to do, reinstall with provider's 14.04 image, ssh into it, install tmux, run it and inside it run the upgrade. if you disconnect, reconnect and run "tmux attach" to re-attach the tty session
[16:13] <Slade> yea thats what i'md oing now
[16:13] <Slade> never used tmux before. just screen.  googling the diferences :)
[16:13] <Hobart> I've configured ubuntu 16.04.2 as a LAMP server, but I'm unable to get mod_rewrite to work, despite the config being enabled, and I can't see it logging anywhere despite setting LogLevel alert rewrite:trace3
[16:14] <fallentree> if you have experience with screen, then use that. I recommended tmux because I  use it.
[16:14] <jewels> minimec: Ok fine. I am rebooting now to see if the changes that I have made are correctly recognized.
[16:14] <Dr_Coke> crossover for 21$ for 24 hours at codeweavers.com
[16:15] <black_vegetable> anita__ I'm sorry. If I knew how to help you, I would.
[16:16] <Hobart> It looks like Apache 2.4 isn't moved (in 16.04) to systemd control ... it seems to be running fine, and is serving pages
[16:16] <jewels> minimec: is it normal that during the reboot phase I see a white underscore which is blocked?
[16:16] <jewels> minimec: Seems that the PC is freezed
[16:18] <nacc> Hobart: well that doesn't make sense -- systemd is the init system. You can of course run it manually, but why would you?
[16:20] <KennyQ> it works!!!
[16:24] <gc_> hi. how can i make a static arp with NM on 16.04?
[16:25] <mekhami> why does my mouse cursor look twice as big when i add a high dpi external monitor
[16:25] <nacc> mekhami: scaling probably
[16:28] <mekhami> nacc ▸ all the displays are scaled 1x1
[16:28] <mekhami> nacc ▸ and if i try to scale the lower res displays to 2x2 they all stack on top of each other
[16:28] <nacc> mekhami: yeah, it's a pain, to muck with dpi :)
[16:28] <mekhami> nacc ▸ this is a major weakness for the os imo
[16:28] <nacc> mekhami: tbh, i've learned to live with it and figure someone smarter than me will solve it eventually (and it's not a priority, my screens both work, etc.)
[16:29] <nacc> mekhami: meh
[16:29] <mekhami> especially given how popular 4k monitors are and are becoming
[16:29] <mekhami> having to understand x server on a high level to get screens that aren't really stupid makes ubuntu a non-starter for new desktop users
[16:29] <mekhami> i'm really astonished by this actually
[16:29] <nacc> mekhami: when you have used linux long enough that external monitors actually 'just work' is awesome, you don't care too much about such things
[16:29] <nacc> mekhami: also, afaik, no OS does this correctly across all configurations
[16:30] <mekhami> i had absolutely no problem with windows or os x with my monitor setups
[16:30] <nacc> mekhami: then go use those :)
[16:30] <nacc> mekhami: i mean, yes, the are limitations in linux, probably
[16:30] <nacc> mekhami: work on fixing them, documenting them, etc.
[16:31] <mekhami> not the kind of work i'm capable of.
[16:31] <nacc> mekhami: you can't file a bug?
[16:31] <mekhami> also surprised there's no real alternative to X server
[16:31] <mekhami> nacc ▸ there's no bug, just unsupported behavior
[16:31] <nacc> mekhami: ok, your surprise and astonishment are perhaps a bit exagerrated.
[16:31] <nacc> mekhami: how do you think 'support' comes into being? bug reports.
[16:32] <mekhami> well there are alternatives for virtually all the other parts of the ubuntu os =P
[16:32] <mekhami> that's the only reason i'm surprised about the x server thing
[16:32] <nacc> mekhami: the kernel and X are more fundamental
[16:33] <rud0lf> pardon me, can you really gradate "fundamental" ?
[16:33] <nacc> rud0lf: gradate?
[16:34] <rud0lf> uhh more, most etc
[16:34] <rud0lf> my english is bat ;)
[16:34] <nacc> rud0lf: well, there is no ubuntu whatsoever without the kernel
[16:34] <nacc> rud0lf: and there is no GUI without the X server
[16:34] <rud0lf> agree
[16:34] <nacc> rud0lf: oh in my comment? 'more fundamental' relative to other packages that mekhami said there are alternatives for.
[16:35] <nacc> mekhami: also, if there were alternative X servers available, you understand the test matrix immediately explodes and becomes untenable
[16:35] <gc_> hi. how can i make a static arp with NM on 16.04? nobody knows?
[16:36] <jewels> minimec: Resolution is ok now. Also after the reboot. Unfortunately, I am not able to reboot correctly because the system blocks.
[16:36] <jewels> minimec: any ideas?
[16:36] <nacc> gc_: i don't think NM exposes that.
[16:37] <gc_> nacc: how can i do it?
[16:37] <backbox> mrbarcode
[16:37] <nacc> gc_: i think with an /etc/network/if-up.d/ script ?
[16:38] <gc_> nacc: NM uses these scripts?
[16:38] <nacc> gc_: it's a level below NM
[16:38] <minimec> jewels: Hmm... I don't understand 'system blocks' on reboot. Can you boot normally wihout problems? Is you reboot problem a 90sec counter because of an still active job?
[16:38] <gc_> nacc: i will try
[16:41] <jewels> minimec: The system boots correctly without any problem. If I try to reboot the system it hangs for about 5 minutes before rebooting. Is it normal?
[16:43] <Jack_Sparrow__> jewels, if you hit escape do you see processes or a timer?
[16:43] <Jack_Sparrow__> as it reboots
[16:44] <minimec> jewels: No that is not normal. What I see with ubuntu gnome from time to time is 90 sec. counter because of an still active job, that's all. I read that there is a way to limit that counter to 10 sec. Would be nice to know what prcess it is that prevent your laptop from shutting down.
[16:46] <Jack_Sparrow__> minimec, Have a link on how to set that to 10 seconds?
[16:46] <jewels> minimec: understood. It is not a huge problem for me because I rarely reboot my laptop.
[16:47] <minimec> Jack_Sparrow__: Hmmm.... I should have one... ;) Give me a second...
[16:47] <Jack_Sparrow__> tx
[16:52] <jewels> thank you minimec
[16:52] <minimec> Jack_Sparrow__: https://askubuntu.com/a/785971
[16:53] <Jack_Sparrow__> cool
[16:53] <lord-ragnarock> So I just downloaded the PowerPC kernel and ramdisk for xenial's installer on the ports website. I was able to boot my Powerbook off them, but now the installer is asking for a CD. I don't recall there ever being a CD image on there :/
[16:55] <nacc> lord-ragnarock: are you trying to net install?
[16:56] <lord-ragnarock> Preferrably yes :) That powerbook has a CD drive most linuxes can't read haha
[16:57] <Jack_Sparrow__> minimec, hanks, I edited it and going to restart
[16:57] <fundies> how do i get build-dep to grab 32bit versions of stuffs?
[16:58] <nacc> lord-ragnarock: then you need to use the netinst kernel and initrd
[16:58] <nacc> lord-ragnarock: not the standard installer (iirc)
[16:59] <nacc> fundies: build-dep will satisfy the build dependencies based upon your system. If you wnat to build a 32-bit version of something, setup a 32-bit build environment (LXD, chroot, VM, etc.)
[16:59] <fundies> nacc, i dont want a chroot
[16:59] <fundies> just want to build wine :/
[17:00] <nacc> fundies: why do you want to build wine?
[17:00] <yadhii> help me
[17:00] <fundies> because staging has features i want to try
[17:00] <nacc> fundies: rather than use the version in the repository (or use the one from wine's repository)
[17:01] <lord-ragnarock> nacc: I see cdrom, hd-media and netboot as my options on ports. Is netboot basically netinstall? I'm thinking it's something else haha :P
[17:01] <nacc> lord-ragnarock: yeah you want netboot
[17:01] <fundies> i want to try a version hacked to run overwatch nacc
[17:01] <nacc> fundies: not an ubuntu issue -- but you could read the wine wiki: https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu
[17:02] <fundies> nacc, yes it is. im asking how install 32bit build-deps
[17:02] <fundies> not how i build wine
[17:02] <nacc> fundies: did you read `man apt-get`'s build-dep section
[17:03] <nacc> fundies: you specify --host-architecture
[17:03] <fundies> :/
[17:03] <yadhii> :)
[17:03] <nacc> fundies: but note that building on your system rather than somewhere else that's confined implies you are mucking with your host, which I don't recommend
[17:03] <yadhii> :)
[17:04] <nacc> fundies: or, like i said, use the prebuilt staging packages and don't build yourself
[17:05] <fundies> nacc, i only have this ubuntu install to mess with this
[17:05] <nacc> fundies: setting up a LXD container is trivial
[17:05] <fundies> id never actually use ubuntu i hate it lol
[17:06] <nacc> fundies: then don't use ubuntu? no one is forcing you to do anything
[17:07] <lord-ragnarock> fundies: You can always use ubuntu to squeeze some extra useful life out of old powerpc macintoshes :D
[17:08] <lord-ragnarock> I've got a 1995 powermac with Trusty on it, still going strong :)
[17:08] <fundies> nacc, i need some dusty old packages for things to work
[17:08] <nacc> fundies: i don't know what you're referring to
[17:09] <fundies> ubuntus usally behind the curve on the updates and that helps me in this case
[17:11] <fundies> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24635403/
[17:11] <fundies> why doesnt it just install those
[17:11] <fundies> dumb pkg manager XD
[17:12] <nacc> fundies: did you set up the dpkg diversion?
[17:12] <nacc> fundies: so that i386 is a known architecture to your package manager
[17:12] <fundies> i did sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[17:12] <fundies> that what you mean?
[17:12] <nacc> fundies: yeah
[17:13] <nacc> fundies: why are you building this yourself again? cross-building is a pain
[17:13] <nacc> fundies: wine provides a staging repository
[17:13] <fundies> because its unofficial patches
[17:14] <lord-ragnarock> Curious, what's the mini.iso do? :P
[17:14] <nacc> fundies: i would suggest asking the wine folks what they do if you're not willing to setup a build env for cross-building
[17:14] <nacc> lord-ragnarock: minimal installer iirc
[17:14] <nacc> !mini | lord-ragnarock
[17:14] <lord-ragnarock> Oh. Probably won't boot on my machine lol :P
[17:14] <fundies> nacc, theyd just send me here my questions are only about apt
[17:15] <lord-ragnarock> Old World PowerPC is it's own world of fun to just boot linux ;)
[17:15] <fundies> i havent asked you one thing about wine lol
[17:15] <nacc> fundies: and i told you the easiest way to do what you want, and you said you didn't want to.
[17:15] <fundies> i want apt to install 32bit in multilib env
[17:15] <thejman> Ok so this is very frustrating... I just installed ubuntu from a usb and chose the "install alongside windows" option. However when I reboot, it just boots directly into windows without giving me the option of booting into ubuntu
[17:16] <nacc> thejman: do you see a grub menu at all?
[17:16] <thejman> nacc: no
[17:16] <nacc> thejman: hrm, seems like maybe grub didn't install properly then -- i think there's a faq for recovering it
[17:16] <nacc> one sec
[17:16] <lord-ragnarock> Are you using a UEFI computer? :)
[17:16] <nacc> !grub | thejman
[17:17] <nacc> thejman: not sure if those apply, but might be worth reading
[17:17] <thejman> lord-ragnarock: It is
[17:17] <fundies> anyone know how to use apt here? lol
[17:17] <MrMeeseeks> fundies: man apt
[17:18] <nacc> fundies: did you do an `apt-get update` after adding i386?
[17:18] <przybyla> i
[17:18] <thejman> nacc: SHould I be holding shift while I boot?
[17:18] <lord-ragnarock> thejman, Ahh. In that case, you may or may not be able to look in your BIOS for a GRUB binary
[17:18] <fundies> nacc, yes
[17:19] <thejman> brb
[17:19] <lord-ragnarock> On my machine at least that's how it works. Not sure if all UEFI machines are the same :P
[17:20] <nacc> fundies: this may help: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO, specifically 'installing cross-dependencies'
[17:20] <MrMeeseeks> thejman: if grub is installed, and it is in fact loading without showing the OS select screen, and is booting into windows, then yes you could hold down shift. When you say you installed alongside windows, does that mean you installed on a separate drive with window or the same?
[17:21] <thejman_> Can you send me those link again?
[17:22] <thejman_> I left secure boot enabled (in case that matters)
[17:22] <MrMeeseeks> i would assume you did a UEFI install, which also means grub would have installed automatically instead of asking you where to install it
[17:23] <thejman_> Check finished...no errors found
[17:23] <MrMeeseeks> and in uefi mode grub does not show a OS select screen unless you configure the timeout to do so.
[17:23] <MrMeeseeks> did you hold shift while booting up?
[17:23] <thejman_> Yes I did...nothing happened
[17:23] <thejman_> MrMeeseeks: ^
[17:23] <Jack_Sparrow__> Specifically LEFT shift
[17:24] <thejman_> yep
[17:24] <thejman_> just continues with normal boot
[17:24] <MrMeeseeks> boot from your installer usb, and go until it scans your hard drive, do not continue the install. ctrl+alt+del to a tty and mount your drive.
[17:25] <MrMeeseeks> ctrl+alt+f# ***
[17:26] <MrMeeseeks> after you mount check to see if grub even installed
[17:26] <thejman_> I right I'm back at the install screen\
[17:26] <thejman_> *Alright
[17:28] <lord-ragnarock> Hey it's working... I think!
[17:28] <lord-ragnarock> Thanks nacc :D
[17:28] <thejman_> "This computer currently has Windows Boot Manager and ubuntu 16.04.2 on it. What would you like to do?"
[17:28] <thejman_> So it knows its there
[17:28] <thejman_> MrMeeseeks: ^
[17:29] <MrMeeseeks> thejman_: http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2015/11/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-alongside.html
[17:30] <oerheks> !dualboot
[17:31] <oerheks> or maybe you need the uefi manual too
[17:31] <oerheks> !uefi
[17:32] <lord-ragnarock> Curious: I like to SSH into most of my laptops. Is there a way I could pipe xenial's text-based installer over to the terminal from my main laptop? :)
[17:33] <lord-ragnarock> That way I don't have to get up just to tap a few arrow keys :P
[17:34] <MrMeeseeks> drop to tty, install a vnc, connect via vnc. or use a kvm.
[17:35] <thejman_> Ok I changed the boot order and now I see a Recovery Screen
[17:36] <leftyfb> lord-ragnarock: serial console/ipmi console/remote kvm (Spider duo), live cd installer running vnc or something like teamviewer, or just build a pxe server and a preseed/kickstart file to automate the whole install
[17:36] <lord-ragnarock> PXE's netboot isn't it? :)
[17:37] <lord-ragnarock> If so I've been meaning to build one of those myself for ages, but not sure what it'd exactly require
[17:42] <ardya> hi, is this a known issue, when installing 16.04.2 server, and manually configuring network as part of installation, the settings arent retained in /etc/network/interfaces so when rebooting after install, there's no network?
[17:42] <streetwitch> I'm running a server that lets people make accounts freely.  Someone is making hundred of accounts all at once  Can anyone help me get the ip of the person?
[17:44] <compdoc> streetwitch, why not confirm each account with an email address?
[17:44] <streetwitch> compdoc, the server doesn't do that
[17:44] <streetwitch> I need to do that tho but right now the only option is to ban the ip
[17:44] <leftyfb> streetwitch: don't allow people to make accounts without a captcha, confirmed email address and a limit on account creation in a period of time
[17:45] <streetwitch> I know
[17:45] <leftyfb> streetwitch: get it from your http logs (assuming this is a web interface)
[17:45] <streetwitch> leftyfb, where are the http logs?
[17:45] <EriC^^> streetwitch: try "who" it might say the ip next to the user
[17:45] <leftyfb> streetwitch: depends on what http server you're running
[17:45] <leftyfb> EriC^^: that only works for remote sessions, not web interface accounts
[17:46] <streetwitch> I'm running evennia
[17:46] <EriC^^> ah thought it was a free ssh server, nevermind streetwitch
[17:46] <streetwitch> How can I find the logs?
[17:47] <EriC^^> streetwitch: should be in /var/log somewhere
[17:47] <leftyfb> streetwitch: no idea. Look in the documentation. You really should be better at this sort of thing before putting something like this accessibly to the internet at large. Otherwise you're contributing to the problem
[17:47] <EriC^^> dpkg -L evennia | grep log should show abit more info
[17:48] <streetwitch> tells me package evennia is not installed
[17:48] <EriC^^> how did you install it?
[17:48] <streetwitch> github
[17:49] <mekhami> lol
[17:49] <EriC^^> check the docs as leftyfb said
[17:49] <EriC^^> !info evennia
[17:49] <EriC^^> streetwitch: try "locate evennia"
[17:49] <EriC^^> or "whereis evennia"
[17:49] <streetwitch> locate evennis just gives me a blank line
[17:50] <EriC^^> nevermind the whereis one
[17:50] <streetwitch> evennia: /usr/local/bin/evennia
[17:50] <EriC^^> what about "man evennia" ?
[17:51] <streetwitch> Nothing
[17:51] <streetwitch> Isn't there an easy way to check the http logs?
[17:51] <streetwitch> It all runs through a web browser
[17:51] <EriC^^> streetwitch: try "sudo updatedb && locate evennia | grep log"
[17:52] <EriC^^> streetwitch: easiest way is to check the docs in github, it should say where the logs are and the easiest way to check them
[17:52] <streetwitch> Ok
[17:55] <dude> Hello
[17:55] <hiru> hello I'm installing ubuntu in uefi mode. what partition should I make?
[17:56] <uxfi> anyone from India?
[17:56] <dude> in your hard drive ? you make whatever partitions you need
[17:56] <dude> hiru:
[17:56] <leftyfb> uxfi: do you need help with ubuntu?
[17:56] <pree_> hi
[17:56] <dude> @leftyfb hello again
[17:57] <pree_> I'm @uxfi
[17:57] <SuperSeriousCat> UEFI need a FAT32 partition in the main partition table
[17:59] <dude> leftyfb is there a room for bug fixing in ubuntu ?
[17:59] <thyriaen> can someone help me debug my sound problem ? i got nothing out of my headphones
[17:59] <leftyfb> dude: I don't know what you mean. I guess the answer is yes.
[18:00] <dude> a chatroom for bug fixing in ubuntu, i want help fixing my first bug
[18:00] <leftyfb> oh, room = channel
[18:00] <dude> thyriaen: are your headphones detected ?
[18:00] <thyriaen> dude, how can i check that ?
[18:01] <dude> try sound setting
[18:01] <bonsairoot> thyriaen, do they show up in the sound settings
[18:01] <rfleming> Greetings!
[18:01] <dudeji> what are total number of usual process on ubuntu 14.04 ?
[18:01] <thyriaen> dude, because currently i got 4 sound outputs there - but 3x HDMI and 1x built in audo - "headphones" but those are my speakers
[18:01] <leftyfb> dude: try #ubuntu-bugs
[18:01] <rfleming> What does -plow options in dpkg-reconfigure do?
[18:01] <nacc> rfleming: sets the priority for debconf questions, iirc
[18:01] <rfleming> Running MAN on dpkg-reconfigure, I only see the -p option for priority
[18:02]  * rfleming smacks forehead
[18:02] <bonsairoot> probably low priority then?
[18:02] <rfleming> p low
[18:02] <rfleming> here I'm thinking they're 4 options slung together
[18:02] <thyriaen> dude, so i would guess no they are not detected, only my speakers
[18:03] <dude> thyriaen: if you can't find it there, it may be a hardware problem
[18:03] <rfleming> like tar xvjJpf
[18:03] <thyriaen> dude, so it worked yesterday ( and months before that - not sure what changed )
[18:04] <rfleming> Thanks... sometimes you just need perspective :)
[18:05] <dude> thyriaen: lots of things could have happened
[18:05] <Haruhi> yo
[18:05] <dude> thyriaen: try alsamixer in a terminal
[18:06] <thyriaen> dude, okey will do that in a sec
[18:06] <thyriaen> i switched the ports of headphone and speakers
[18:07] <thyriaen> now i got "line out" as output devices aswell
[18:07] <thyriaen> now i get sound out of my headphones
[18:07] <thyriaen> and line out are my headphones aswell
[18:07] <thyriaen> nothing out of my speakers
[18:08] <dudeji> How can I tell how many processes are too many on a Linux machine
[18:08] <dude> dudeji: try stress
[18:09] <dude> thyriaen: so your port may be grilled
[18:10] <thyriaen> yes dude
[18:10] <thyriaen> any way to check that ?
[18:11] <dude> i don't know
[18:12] <dudeji> what criminal command you told me : stress just took off my CPU ;)
[18:12] <leftyfb> dudeji: that's what it's supposed to do. It's a stress test.
[18:12] <leftyfb> dudeji: just kill it, you'll be fine
[18:13] <oerheks> ctrl c
[18:13] <dudeji> oerhek thanks dude
[18:13] <fallentree> dudeji: it'd be wise to check the manpages and documentation of any command you're told to use, before using it.
[18:13] <oerheks> it should indeed spike to the max, question is: was your system still usable?
[18:14] <uwqerfh> making a live USB with dd command....do I need a / in front of the iso name if I am in the directory containing it? The example says "of=/pathtoiso"
[18:14] <uwqerfh> oops sorry "if=/pathtoiso"
[18:15]  * oerheks knows the answer: ctrl c worked
[18:15] <uwqerfh> I have right now "if=xubuntu-17.04-desktop-amd64.iso"
[18:16] <fallentree> uwqerfh: no. full paths start with /, so if you're in /home/someuser/Downloads/, and the iso file is there, you don't need it. if you want, you can specify the full path then, /home/someuser/Downloads/ubuntu-blahblah.iso
[18:16] <bonsairoot> no if you're in the same dir just type the isoname
[18:16] <dude> uwqerfh: all paths work like this
[18:16] <dude> uwqerfh: not just for dd
[18:16] <uwqerfh> thanks all...so if you are in your home user should you start from there like if=mylaptop/Documents/isoname ?
[18:16] <oerheks> you are a pro if you used /home/$USER/Downloads/<iso>
[18:17] <uwqerfh> or do you need to start /fullpath
[18:17] <fallentree> or... $HOME/Downloads/<iso>  :)
[18:17] <uwqerfh> soemtimes I struggle understanding what parts to replace in example commands
[18:18] <fallentree> uwqerfh: any path without the leading / is RELATIVE to the current directory (which you can check with `pwd`)
[18:18] <dude> uwqerfh: you can start from where you are, for making a "relative path"
[18:18] <uwqerfh> ah thanks
[18:18] <uwqerfh> i need to learn the structure better
[18:18] <fallentree> uwqerfh: `man hier` is a good start
[18:19] <oerheks> ~/Downloads/<iso> for short, but if your shell is in Downloads, it should do fine
[18:19] <uwqerfh> so bad without graphical discovery...i am more visual...harder to track in text
[18:19] <uwqerfh> but trying
[18:19] <fallentree> !info tree
[18:19] <fallentree> that could prove helpful too
[18:20] <uwqerfh> thanks....also is it possible to make a live usb persistent by altering the dd command?
[18:21] <uwqerfh> ive used dd before and it works for live usb...the graphical tools usually didnt...so even though I am not good at the cli I trust dd to work as long as I do it right
[18:21] <dude> uwqerfh: let the copy finish, then resize the partition created and make a new one using gparted for example
[18:21] <uwqerfh> so just making the partition bigger is enough for persistence? you dont have to alter some settings etc?
[18:22] <dude> not bigger
[18:22] <uwqerfh> when I used live usb before settings don't persist between sessions...how is that connected to partition size?
[18:22] <uwqerfh> oh sorry not understanding
[18:22] <dude> rather smaller, so you can make a second partition for storage
[18:22] <oerheks> !persistence
[18:23] <oerheks> its just a casper rw partition
[18:23] <uwqerfh> ok I have a 16gb drive so there is extra space...like 14gb left after live install...how do I then make things persistent?
[18:23] <bonsairoot> also for more details on the file system structure: look up linux filesystem hierarchy standard (FHS).... most distros follow it pretty closely for the most part
[18:23] <oerheks> ubuntu usb creater gives that option
[18:23] <oerheks> else see the ubottu url
[18:23] <uwqerfh> can I do it with DD? I couldnt get usb creator to work well...nor unetbootin etc
[18:24] <new4ser5> how can i use alt codes in ubuntu 16.04 like in windows (i.e. alt+92 = |)?
[18:25] <BluesKaj> uwqerfh,  usually disk creator works quite well, did you check the md5sum on the iso.
[18:26] <uwqerfh> i havent tried it for some months...using Xubuntu now...can I get it on Xubuntu?
[18:26] <uwqerfh> sorry super new at all this and overwhelmed
[18:27] <uwqerfh> All I've done till now is install ubuntu and xubuntu and copy some basic commands
[18:27] <BluesKaj> uwqerfh,  using or goign to install?
[18:27] <uwqerfh> right now I am on Xubuntu 16.04....want to make 17.04 live usb with persistence for another laptop
[18:27] <bonsairoot> there is usb-creator-gtk in the repo... don't know if it's that one... I usually use dd as well
[18:27] <uwqerfh> might install if I like it
[18:28] <uwqerfh> ive googled to see how to use DD to make live with persistence but am coming up short
[18:28] <BluesKaj> dd will work if you are careful
[18:28] <oerheks>  see the ubottu url
[18:28] <hiru> my ubuntu installation is stuck in 'installing the grub2 package'. what can I do?
[18:29] <streetwitch> How do I ban an IP from connecting to my server?
[18:29] <uwqerfh> so i just made live usb with dd...I see two partitions...one 1.3gb iso and one 2.4mb FAT..is that right? before it only had one partiton on the 16.04 usb
[18:30] <uwqerfh> looks like this...is this ok? http://i.imgur.com/MeE2j9k.png
[18:31] <uwqerfh> i dont have a 64bit cpu to test it on yet...its on order...just a 32bit old laptop right now
[18:33] <leftyfb> streetwitch: you REALLY should be learning these things BEFORE putting a server out for public access.
[18:33] <leftyfb> streetwitch: http://bfy.tw/BxYY
[18:34] <bonsairoot> streetwitch, if you have ufw: sudo ufw deny from <ip> to any but as the others mentionend you should be setting up captchas etc... the ban will not help much
[18:35] <leftyfb> streetwitch: would you mind sharing the URL for this MUD you setup?
[18:35] <leftyfb> streetwitch: in a PM
[18:35] <streetwitch> Sure
[18:35] <EriC^^> uwqerfh: it looks fine
[18:36] <uwqerfh> should the drive me mounted or unmounted for DD command? I think I mounted it
[18:36] <bonsairoot> security scan inc
[18:36] <EriC^^> uwqerfh: unmounted
[18:37] <uwqerfh> feel like a monkey pressing buttons....so if I had it mounted would it be messed up then? Should I redo it?
[18:37] <hiru> unmount
[18:37] <EriC^^> it's a possibility
[18:37] <EriC^^> unmount and redo and be sure to add sync after the dd command, you'll be golden
[18:37] <uwqerfh> ok think I will redo it...do I need to reformat it clean first?
[18:37] <EriC^^> uwqerfh: no
[18:38] <uwqerfh> thanks
[18:38] <EriC^^> might as well checksum the iso if you're feeling like it
[18:40] <uwqerfh> does dd format to fat32 or what?
[18:40] <hiru> it probably formats to ntfs if windows
[18:40] <hiru> for*
[18:41] <EriC^^> uwqerfh: it copies the iso to the disk on very low level, the iso's hybrid as well as working for uefi and mbr so it has a fat32 there for uefi
[18:41] <leftyfb> uwqerfh: dd is not a formatting tool. It's "disk duplicator". For instance, you can take a disk image.img file and image it onto a drive. The drive will now be partitioned and formatted in the manner the image was created
[18:41] <uwqerfh> ok so the usb right now shows 16gb unknown in Disks...do I need to format it first?
[18:42] <EriC^^> no
[18:42] <uwqerfh> ok just run the dd command and it will sort ir correct?
[18:42] <EriC^^> yup
[18:42] <uwqerfh> ok thanks,,,will do the checksum thing you suggested first
[18:42] <EriC^^> !hashes | uwqerfh
[18:43] <EriC^^> md5sum /path/to/iso gives the checksum
[18:45] <paqcito> Does scp always use ssh?
[18:45] <uwqerfh> ok so if hashes match iso is good then? its that simple?
[18:46] <new4ser5> how can i use alt codes in ubuntu 16.04 like in windows (i.e. alt+92 = |)?
[18:47] <leftyfb> new4ser5: http://bfy.tw/Bxa2
[18:48] <leftyfb> paqcito: ys
[18:48] <leftyfb> paqcito: yes
[18:48] <paqcito> leftyfb: does rsync either?
[18:48] <leftyfb> paqcito: I will by default if you're using it against a remote host
[18:48] <leftyfb> s/I/it/
[18:49] <leftyfb> paqcito: why?
[18:50] <pavlos> paqcito: scp uses ssh ... read second paragraph of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_copy
[18:53] <apb1963> kubuntu 16.04; I'm searching for a mamaboard, and according to what I've read over the last week, AMD seems to be focused on Radeon (so NVIDEA doesn't seem to be an option with AMD), they don't typically support their drivers for more than a short time, Canonical won't be supporting it either.  Further, linux developers have issues with Radeon policies.  Recommendations for graphics issues have been mostly to not run ubuntu 16.04 or oibaf's
[18:53] <apb1963> drivers which one is supposed to "risk" using as there is no "official" support.  So... bottom line, I don't know if I should be buying an AMD CPU at this time.
[18:53] <pavlos> paqcito: rsync may use ssh or its native protocol, rsync://
[18:54] <paqcito> leftyfb: pavlos i'd like to know if my files are encrypted while transfering or not
[18:55] <leftyfb> paqcito: over ssh, it's a secure tunnel
[18:55] <paqcito> leftyfb: yes, but i'm running rsync, so i dont know if it's running over ssh or its own protocol which is rsync://
[18:56] <leftyfb> paqcito: it will use ssh
[18:56] <new4ser5> @leftyfb i've googled to my hearts content and found years old posts that don't solve the problem but thanks for your kind suggestion mate
[18:56] <leftyfb> paqcito: unless you have an rsync server setup and listening on the other end
[18:56] <new4ser5> how can i use alt codes in ubuntu 16.04 like in windows (i.e. alt+92 = |)?
[18:57] <Seveas> paqcito: if you rsync to or from a url that looks like host.name.com:/path/to/file or ssh://host.name.com/path/to file, it's ssh. If the url looks like host.name.com::path/to/file or rsync://host.name.com/path/to/file it's rsync
[18:58] <leftyfb> new4ser5: 
[18:58] <Seveas> new4ser5: ctrl+shift+u (then let all of them go) followed by a hexadecimal unicode code. e.g. 1000 for က
[18:58] <leftyfb> new4ser5: the answer was on the first and 2nd results in the link I gave you
[18:58] <leftyfb> if you bothered reading
[18:58] <Seveas> new4ser5: the gucharmap tool is also damn useful
[18:59] <leftyfb> Seveas: not true
[18:59] <leftyfb> oh wait
[18:59] <leftyfb> nm
[18:59] <Seveas> leftyfb: very much true, I used it right there to type that character :)
[18:59] <leftyfb> was referring to your rsync above, but didn't notice the first host:/path and the host::/path
[19:00] <Seveas> ah
[19:00] <streetwitch_> How do I ban an IP from my website?
[19:00] <leftyfb> :/
[19:00] <leftyfb> streetwitch_: you already were given and have the answer
[19:00] <Seveas> streetwitch_: sudo iptables -A input -S ip.address.here -j DROP
[19:00] <leftyfb> streetwitch_: sudo iptables -I INPUT -s <ip> -j DROP
[19:00] <leftyfb> and -A
[19:01] <leftyfb> do both
[19:01] <Anonimous> test
[19:01] <leftyfb> Anonimous: test failed
[19:01] <Seveas> leftyfb: yours is wrong. -I needs a number. e.g. -I INPUT 0
[19:01] <leftyfb> no it doesn't. it'll default to 0 and INSERT it at the beginning
[19:01] <pavlos> streetwitch_: iptables -A INPUT -s 1.2.3.4 -j DROP (adjust IP
[19:02] <streetwitch_> Whats adjust IP?
[19:02] <SemiNus> hi
[19:02] <croz> where is implite? i havent seen him in days
[19:02] <streetwitch_> hi
[19:02] <pavlos> streetwitch_: dont use 1.2.3.4 but use the one you want
[19:02] <streetwitch_> ok
[19:02] <leftyfb> streetwitch_: sudo iptables -A INPUT -s 47.184.168.95 -j DROP
[19:03] <SemiNus> I am using Apache on a Ubuntu server and I would like to rewrite /en/ to /  (while keeping the address /en/ in the URL)
[19:03] <paqcito> leftyfb: gotcha
[19:03] <SemiNus> RewriteRule ^/en/?$ /      does not work and gives me error 404 not found
[19:03] <leftyfb> SemiNus: use .htaccess or ALIAS in your http conf
[19:03] <SemiNus> leftyfb, an Alias in my apache2.conf  kept giving me errors keeping Apache from restarting
[19:03] <paqcito> Seveas: gotcha. Can i use just rsync protocol from a remote server?
[19:04] <paqcito> also does it make sense use -z with rsync if the file is already compressed?
[19:04] <SemiNus> and the RewriteRule in .htaccess shows no effect
[19:04] <Seveas> paqcito: only if there's an rsync daemon listening.
[19:04] <Seveas> and no -z doesn't help much in that case
[19:05] <paqcito> thanks!
[19:05] <paqcito> Seveas: thanks.
[19:05] <paqcito> is there a way to test it?
[19:05] <leftyfb> SemiNus: time to read more apache documentation
[19:06] <leftyfb> SemiNus: also, for .htaccess to work, you need to enable the rewrite module
[19:06] <new4ser5> Seveas: thanks mate
[19:07] <SemiNus> leftyfb, it's enabled
[19:07] <SemiNus> and the RewriteEngine is "On"
[19:07] <paqcito> what does rsync speed transfer depends on? bandwidth? it's transfering 1.20 MB/s lol
[19:08] <paqcito> The more I use linux the less I less I realized I know, also the more I like to use it!!
[19:10] <Guest87306> How can I start hexchat in console mode?
[19:11] <leftyfb> Guest87306: you don't. It's a GUI application
[19:11] <leftyfb> paqcito: join the club
[19:11] <Guest87306> thank you
[19:11] <bonsairoot> you can use irssi for example
[19:12] <leftyfb> or weechat
[19:12] <paqcito> leftyfb: sure!
[19:17] <paqcito> what does rsync speed transfer depends on? bandwidth? it's transfering 1.20 MB/s lol
[19:18] <compdoc> it travels through an ssh tunnel, I think
[19:19] <compdoc> it copies some, then checks, then sends the next
[19:19] <SwedeMike> pacbard: TCP-settings, packet loss, RTT, crypto CPU performance (if using ssh), and other factors.
[19:20] <paqcito> SwedeMike: thanks. I thought it was only depending on bandwidth
[19:22] <krovin> Guest55845: irssi send massage test
[19:26] <uxfi> can someone help me? I created a new user and I cannot access the user account I made> I get a error and I msitakenly edited /etc/sudoers iwth nano
[19:26] <uxfi> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 22
[19:28] <hiru> good news. I correctly installed ubuntu in uefi mode
[19:29] <uxfi> what do I have to do?
[19:29] <ducasse> !sudo | uxfi see the last link here
[19:29] <hiru> I have a question: I want to use GNOME, should I simply install it or should I make a clean install of Ubuntu GNOME instead?
[19:29] <uxfi> I tried that ducasse
[19:29] <uxfi> what dodo I do?
[19:30] <akik> uxfi: login with your working account and fix it there
[19:30] <ducasse> uxfi: you tried fixing it from recovery mode?
[19:30] <uxfi> akik with root?
[19:30] <uxfi> no
[19:31] <Psil0Cybin> hiru: you can install it but if you do a clean install you will save space ,etc
[19:31] <Psil0Cybin> you will have alot of programs that are youseless to you brother
[19:32] <ducasse> uxfi: then you didn't do what that link says
[19:32] <akik> uxfi: do you mean you have a non-working sudo configuration?
[19:33] <uxfi> akik no I have root acess still
[19:33] <uxfi> but I mae a new account (as I am setting up a mail server using psotfix and gave taht new account root privldeges but some how messged up the sudoerss file
[19:34] <akik> uxfi: ok you can fix it with your root access, the configuration file is /etc/sudoers
[19:34] <fallentree> and this time learn to use visudo, don't edit it directly
[19:34] <uxfi> yes _eka_  what do I type?
[19:36] <bonsairoot> ufxi, you can get a root shell with su and then edit the file with visudo
[19:36] <uxfi> bonsairoot yes I am doign that but I get error
[19:37] <uxfi> usage: visudo [-chqsV] [-f sudoers] [-x output_file]
[19:37] <uxfi> ...
[19:37] <uxfi>    /home/uxfi# visudo /etc/sudoers
[19:37] <fallentree> no, just run `visudo`
[19:38] <uxfi> ohh
[19:38] <uxfi> sweet
[19:38] <uxfi> that worked
[19:38] <uxfi> fallentree why run visudo only?
[19:38] <uxfi> and not specificy the path?
[19:38] <fallentree> uxfi: because -f is for alternate sudoers file location
[19:38] <uxfi> hmm
[19:39] <fallentree> technically you could use -f with /etc/sudoers, but no need to
[19:39] <uxfi> fallentree  ok so what I am trying to do is actally change the hostname of my server so I just made a new user accoutn with root pdivldeges
[19:39] <uxfi> should I remove the changes I made?
[19:39] <fallentree> I have no idea what changes you did
[19:40] <fallentree> and by "new account with root privileges", you mean an account that can sudo?
[19:40] <uxfi> fallentree  see my message
[19:40] <fallentree> I don't do private messages, sorry :)
[19:41] <uxfi> ugh
[19:41] <uxfi> fallentree https://i.imgur.com/XtLReJs.png
[19:41] <uxfi> for user pridldges I did this
[19:42] <uxfi> and for # Allow members of group sudo to execute any command
[19:42] <uxfi>  I put the same new account I made
[19:42] <uxfi> what I am trying to do is as I said make a new account and delete the admin account that I made with the original OS
[19:42] <fallentree> uxfi: why not simply add those users to the 'sudo' group? It's there by default
[19:42] <ducasse> uxfi: can you see anything odd on that 'jay' line? hint: [)
[19:43] <Guest55845> can someone help me on y biology
[19:43] <uxfi> no what is odd ducasse ?
[19:43] <uxfi> and  am I set up right?
[19:43] <fallentree> uxfi: [
[19:44] <uxfi> ducasse  underwhich one? the user pridlveges section or sudoers?
[19:44] <ducasse> uxfi: ALL=[ <--- should be ALL=(
[19:44] <uxfi> ah
[19:44] <uxfi> ducasse https://i.imgur.com/7FCxdWv.png
[19:44] <uxfi> this looks better?
[19:44] <fallentree> uxfi: instead of adding individual users to the sudoers file, just add those users to the 'sudo' group, which is set up by default (though I don't remember if you need to uncomment it in sudoers)
[19:44] <uxfi> ok
[19:45] <uxfi> im not sure
[19:45] <uxfi> so I can remove jay from user pridlvges fallentree ?
[19:45] <uxfi> mitraj is also sudo
[19:45] <uxfi> that is the administrator (me too)
[19:45] <ducasse> uxfi: you don't need two entries for jay
[19:45] <fallentree> uxfi: so you have   %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL  in sudoers file, that's the 'sudo' group. Then just `usermod -a -G sudo mitraj` and any other user you want with sudo access
[19:46] <uxfi> ok
[19:46] <uxfi> let me remove the userpridlvdges one
[19:47] <Guest55845> guys
[19:48] <uxfi> ducasse  fallentree >>> /etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 22 <<<
[19:48] <uxfi> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 22
[19:48] <uxfi> sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting
[19:48] <uxfi> same isue
[19:48] <uxfi> hmm
[19:48] <uxfi> even after I enetered that usermod command/
[19:49] <bonsairoot> did you edit the file with visudo? because that checks for parse errors
[19:49] <fallentree> uxfi: when the bot gives you voice again, make sure you pastebin your sudoers file around line 22
[19:49] <bonsairoot> so this shouldn't happen
[19:50] <uxfi> fallentree  where is line 22?
[19:50] <uxfi> sorry for the paste
[19:50] <fallentree> uxfi: count to it
[19:51] <benergy> Hey guys, does anyone by chance know how to change the default option for "retain/forget password" on mounting an encrypted drive in ubuntu/cinnamon?
[19:51] <uxfi> fallentree is there a way to get line numebrs next to it lol?
[19:52] <benergy> Basically, it's this question: https://askubuntu.com/questions/509906/possible-to-make-forget-password-immediately-the-default-when-opening-luks-enc
[19:52] <ducasse> uxfi: you already used visudo, did you _save_ your changes?
[19:52] <uxfi> yes
[19:52] <uxfi> I think so
[19:52] <bonsairoot> uxfi, cat -n /etc/sudoers
[19:53] <uxfi> ducasse https://i.imgur.com/WtXwFuI.png
[19:53] <bonsairoot> It's the same line as before... make sure its not the bracket still
[19:53] <uxfi> https://i.imgur.com/WtXwFuI.pngduchttps://i.imgur.com/fxlw5t6.png
[19:53] <uxfi> hmm
[19:53] <uxfi> it is?
[19:53] <bonsairoot> still the bracket
[19:53] <uxfi> wow
[19:53] <uxfi> I thought I changed it
[19:53] <bonsairoot> visudo would've complained
[19:54] <fallentree> uxfi: did you use visudo?
[19:55] <uxfi> yes
[19:55] <ducasse> uxfi: then you didn't save
[19:55] <fallentree> uxfi: visudo bails out on error and doesn't change the sudoers file, that's why it's advised to use it instead of editing the file directly
[19:56] <uxfi> fallentree  I think I changed it correctly
[19:56] <pavlos> uxfi: sudo cat -n /etc/sudoers | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:56] <CheetahPixie> Evening, folks.
[19:56] <CheetahPixie> I need help pretty fasty.
[19:56] <CheetahPixie> My Wacom tablet, the Intuos Manga, has four buttons, alright.
[19:56] <uxfi> ducasse fallentree https://i.imgur.com/4qIjYar.png
[19:56] <uxfi> see?
[19:56] <uxfi> it looks right to me
[19:57] <CheetahPixie> I have them set up, except one of them refuses to register on the Ubuntu side, despite blinking when pressed on the Wacom.
[19:57] <uxfi> I changed the bracket issue
[19:57] <uxfi> how do I save it?
[19:57] <CheetahPixie> This is a CTH480.
[19:57] <fallentree> uxfi: which editor does it use? nano? iirc Ctrl-X will exit, and will ask whether to save the file
[19:57] <bonsairoot> uxfi, you have the jay entry twice in there.... either have it once or not at all and instead add him to the sudo group
[19:57] <uxfi> visudo
[19:58] <fallentree> uxfi: no, visudo calls your default editor, it's a wrapper
[19:58] <uxfi> bonsairoot  ok let me remove one entry
[19:58] <fallentree> uxfi: so I'm guessing nano if you didn't change EDITOR in your env
[19:58] <uxfi> right
[19:58] <uxfi> nano
[19:58] <fallentree> uxfi: feel free to remove all lines for mitraj and jay, the %sudo  group line should suffice, then just add users to that group
[20:00] <uxfi> fallentree  all lines?
[20:01] <Guest55845> does anyone still own a zune
[20:02] <fallentree> uxfi: yes remove all lines for users you added manually to the sudoers file. you have group %sudo in sudoers, so just adding users to that group, without having to change the sudoers file, is enough.
[20:02] <Psil0Cybin> yes u iwn a zue
[20:02] <Psil0Cybin> zune without a charger though
[20:02] <Psil0Cybin> tbh
[20:02] <Guest55845> zune was the shit back then
[20:03] <uxfi> hi Psil0Cybin
[20:05] <Psil0Cybin> really what are u on
[20:05] <Psil0Cybin> i always liked ipods
[20:05] <uxfi> bonsairoot fallentree  it saves as tmp
[20:05] <uxfi> not sure why
[20:06] <Guest55845> ipods are good but zune was my childhood
[20:06] <ducasse> uxfi: it's a wrapper. it writes a temporary file, checks for errors, then replaces the actual sudoers file.
[20:07] <uxfi> ducasse  well the idea is that I want to remove "mitraj" from the system ocmpletely so do I need to add it to suoders list or not?
[20:08] <pavlos> uxfi: here's a 'clean' sudoers file to reference ... http://termbin.com/dczy
[20:08] <ducasse> uxfi: if you want to remove the user there is no reason for it to be in sudoers. just use the sudo group for this instead of adding every user.
[20:08] <fallentree> uxfi: that's exactly why I've been telling you to remove all users you added manually to the sudoers file and use the group, that way you don' thave to change anything else when you add remove users. and as i'm so tired of repeating myself, I'll go away now. good luck.
[20:08] <CheetahPixie> I figured it out.
[20:08] <CheetahPixie> It is reporting the wrong button.
[20:09] <CheetahPixie> It supposedly grabbed 1, 2, 3 and 8, but missed 9 entirely which this device doesn't use.
[20:09] <uxfi> alright
[20:10] <CheetahPixie> Huh. It does use that.
[20:10] <uxfi> fallentree thanks for the help
[20:10] <uxfi> hi CheetahPixie
[20:11] <CheetahPixie> hello
[20:11] <CheetahPixie> Hmm.
[20:11] <CheetahPixie> Button #2 is completely unused.
[20:13] <CheetahPixie> This is now working as intended.
[20:13] <CheetahPixie> This pad supposedly does not use button 2.
[20:13] <CheetahPixie> Probably a bug.
[20:21] <kubunted> why is kubuntu freezing all the time? first thought just the desktop but then on virtual console too. Is tghis on purpose to make linux worse and worse instead of improving?
[20:26] <simo_> hi
[20:39] <uxfi> Question, if I made another user and gave him root privldges and want to use that user by default. How do I remove my default user? Or a better question is how do I rename the username of my default  user account so I dont need 2 accounts?
[20:40] <multifractal> i need to download a torrent to my AWS instance runnign ubuntu. i installed transmission-daemon, but i don't know what to do next. i've got the .torrent file ready and waiting.
[20:40] <akik> uxfi: once you're logged in with the new user, you can remove the previous user with "sudo userdel -r username"
[20:41] <akik> uxfi: that command will remove the user information and its home directory
[20:41] <leftyfb> multifractal: is it ubuntu server or desktop?
[20:42] <akik> multifractal: you can use command line torrent clients, such as bittornado or rtorrent
[20:42] <multifractal> leftyfb: not sure, i think server. i don't have a desktop environment, strictly command line
[20:42] <leftyfb> multifractal: then you'll need to look into command line torrent clients and read the documentation on how to use them
[20:43] <multifractal> ooooooooh
[20:43] <leftyfb> multifractal: btw, transmission-cli is command line
[20:44] <MirkoK> multifractal: like lftp which can download torrents
[20:44] <leftyfb> multifractal: you'll need to read the man page or online documentation on how to use it
[20:44] <hiru> is ubuntu gnome supported here?
[20:44] <multifractal> leftyfb: ok thanks sorry didn't mean to sound sarcastic before.
[20:44] <hiru> since there are official flavors that should be fine.. anyway
[20:45] <hiru> I've got a bunch of errors when trying to install it
[20:46] <akik> multifractal: i've liked rtorrent. you start it up where your torrent file is and then press backspace to load the torrent file
[20:48] <jeffreybaks> dude im homosexual
[20:48] <jeffreybaks> just FYI
[20:53] <leftyfb> can someone boot him please?
[20:53] <Bashing-om> hiru: Did you verify the .isp file ? Did you verify the copy to the install medium ? All starts with a firm foundation .
[20:53] <Bashing-om> .iso* file
[20:54] <hiru> I'll verify, hopefully it's just a bad file.. If the file it's fine do you think i need a bios update?
[20:56] <MirkoK> hiru: what errors do you get?
[20:56] <Bashing-om> hiru: A bios update . a lot depends on the hardware . Most likely not . If it ain't broke, do not fix it .
[20:57] <jeffreybaks> hmm
[20:57] <jeffreybaks> stop arguing with me bigot
[20:57] <jeffreybaks> any way
[20:59] <jeffreybaks> im ubuntu user
[21:01] <hiru> ok the iso is fine
[21:02] <hiru> here are the errors: http://i.imgur.com/td1bN9a.jpg
[21:03] <Bashing-om> hiru: K; and the copy " boot the installDVD(USB) , as soon as the bios screen clears depress the escape key -> language screen, escape key to accept the defaults -> boot options screen -> " check disk for defects" .
[21:04] <kubunted> Why is kubuntu installed filemanager moving files to Trash instead of deleting? How to delete? What happened .?.. why does it no more deletes?????
[21:04] <hiru> wait wait I don't get the frist part
[21:04] <kubunted> have devs lost their mind?
[21:07] <MirkoK> kubunted: Linux filesystems usually don't have an undelete function, so deleting a file usually means, that it is totally lost for ever. To prevent accidential deletion, the Trash is used. There should be an option in the filemanager settings to add a delete option to the menu
[21:07] <Bashing-om> hiru: squashfs is the install medium . Most likely a bad burn to the medium . need to verify that copy as above . ( legacy system try a shift key after bios screen ) .
[21:08] <kubunted> mirkok: are you a bot? your answer is not to the question asked
[21:08] <nacc> kubunted: that is a question for the kubuntu developers, probably
[21:08] <kubunted> question is how to delete in Dolphin instead of moving to trash, as used to be before
[21:09] <kubunted> nacc: yes, but #kubuntu ius dead
[21:09] <nacc> kubunted: try shift + delete? iirc, that's they way in nautilus to bypass the trash
[21:09] <nacc> kubunted: i doubt it's dead. It might be quiet right now.
[21:09] <kubunted> nacc: thanx, that worked
[21:11] <yokusanvic> ciao
[21:12] <nacc> kubunted: yw
[21:12] <yokusanvic> !list
[21:15] <leeservers> hi
[21:15] <MirkoK> kubunted: No, not a bot, and I tried to offer you a solution (somewhere in the settings, there should be an an option to enable direkt delete). Why the aggression?
[21:15] <leeservers> Hi!
[21:15] <kubunted> kill yourself
[21:16] <Fuchs> kubunted: uh, could you please not?
[21:17] <Guest55845> why arent we using discord
[21:18] <nacc> Guest55845: you can use whatever you want.
[21:18] <nacc> Guest55845: but you are on IRC right now, so your question seems irrelevant (and not an ubuntu support topic)
[21:19] <Guest55845> tbh i was bored
[21:19] <Guest55845> and i noticed hex chat
[21:20] <bonsairoot> there's also an ubuntu offtopic channel if i recall correctly
[21:20] <nacc> Guest55845: that doesn't seem relevant either. This is the ubuntu support channel.
[21:20] <nacc> !ot
[21:23] <mixxit> hi
[21:24] <mixxit> whenever i type in ubuntu my trackpad throws my mouse all over the place
[21:31] <tfitts> can anyone help me out with writing a shell script.  I need to be able to read from STDIN, generate a unique filename, save STDIN to the filename and then call one last command with the filename as an argument
[21:31] <YankDownUnder> mixxit, Something to read: https://www.unixmen.com/autmatically-disable-touchpad-typing-ubuntu/
[21:32] <nacc> tfitts: there are shell programming channels more appropriate for that topic
[21:32] <tfitts> do you know any?
[21:32] <nacc> !alis | tft
[21:32] <nacc> bah, tfitts --^
[21:32] <nacc> tfitts: #bash comes to mind
[21:33] <tfitts> ok, thanks
[21:33] <leftyfb> tfitts: do you mean write <STDIN> data to the file contents or as the filename?
[21:33] <Chunkyz> can anyone help with this error, please? E: Package 'python-sabyenc' has no installation candidate
[21:33] <nacc> Chunkyz: no such package in ubuntu
[21:33] <tfitts> as the file contents.  the filename could be an md5 of the contents or anything random as I'd like to delete it after the other command runs
[21:33] <Chunkyz> nacc, ?
[21:34] <nacc> Chunkyz: or in debian
[21:34] <leftyfb> Chunkyz: it's not a valid package name for available packages from your sources
[21:34] <nacc> Chunkyz: 'python-sabyenc' is not a package in ubuntu or debian.
[21:34] <Chunkyz> then what is it?
[21:34] <nacc> Chunkyz: how would i know?
[21:34] <tfitts> ideally I'd like to skip this and pipe directly to lpr and print it out but I'm finding you can't pipe pdf contents directly to lpr, it expects postscript or plain text
[21:34] <nacc> tfitts: a2ps ? :)
[21:36] <MirkoK> Chunkyz: for example a package that ist suggested for that program, but not (yet) available in the repository. Unless this is an optional package, you can ignore it
[21:36] <leftyfb> tfitts: nothing you mentioned originally referred to pdf's
[21:37] <tfitts> my original question in here a couple days ago did but best instructions there were to convert it with imagemagick which seemed like overkill
[21:38] <nacc> Chunkyz: i mean, you asked 'why can't i install a pacakge with name X?'. I answered 'X doesn't exist'. You then asked 'What is X?'. (paraphrasing). I don't understand how I can answer the last question. Why are you trying to install something if you don't know what it is??
[21:38] <bonsairoot> Chunkyz, there seems to be a ppa if you need it (or you can install via pip): https://sabnzbd.org/wiki/installation/sabyenc.html
[21:40] <mixxit> YankDownUnder, thanks
[21:40] <MirkoK> leftyfb: you want to print PDFs from the command line? Try: libreoffice -p THE_FILE.pdf
[21:41] <leftyfb> tfitts: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24637378/
[21:42] <leftyfb> MirkoK: nope
[21:45] <vfw> leftyfb: lpr *.pdf
[21:45] <tfitts> sorry,  guess I should have been more clear in that I want to pipe the data into the file
[21:45] <leftyfb> :/
[21:45] <tfitts> into the script*
[21:45] <leftyfb> ah
[21:45] <vfw> tfitts: pdftk?
[21:46] <leftyfb> tfitts: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24637378/
[21:46] <vfw> tfitts: You should tell us what you really want to do.
[21:46] <leftyfb> tfitts: ./tfitts.sh "type your stuff here"
[21:47] <tfitts> I want to pipe the contents of a PDF that I'm receiving through an mqtt client to my printer such that it prints the pdf the same as if I saved the contents to a file and printed the pdf.
[21:47] <tfitts> sorry, I originally came in with the actual situation a few days ago and was sent down this path so I started from there instead of from the beginning.
[21:48] <leftyfb> tfitts: does the data have to be in pdf from your mqtt client?
[21:49] <tfitts> it's created as a pdf.  I guess I could convert it to postscript before it is sent if that is what your'e saying.
[21:49] <leftyfb> tfitts: if it was plain text, it might be easier to deal with. But also, what about calling lpr against your pdf like vfw posted above?
[21:50] <vfw> tfitts: So you are wanting to print the pdf files as they come in?
[21:50] <tfitts> right
[21:50] <leftyfb> why not send the output of your mqtt client right to lpd?
[21:50] <vfw> tfitts: on paper
[21:50] <zddd> quick question i'm having a hard time finding the answer to....now that ubuntu 17.04 is gnome 3
[21:50] <zddd> is ubuntu gnome and ubuntu 17.04 (from ubuntu.com) the same distro?
[21:51] <zddd> or is there a difference between the two?
[21:51] <leftyfb> zddd: same distro, different default desktop environment installed
[21:51] <tfitts> right to lpd? you mean lpr?  when you pipe a pdf to lpr it doesn't work.  at least these pdfs don't work.
[21:51] <zddd> leftyfb: ah, right....they're both gnome3 though?
[21:51] <tfitts> plain text works and I've been told postscript files work
[21:51] <leftyfb> zddd: 17.04 uses unity by default
[21:51] <zddd> oh i thought they were moving to gnome 3
[21:52] <leftyfb> zddd: 18.04 will use gnome by default
[21:52] <vfw> zddd: You don't like xfce?
[21:52] <zddd> oh.
[21:52] <zddd> sorry leftyfb
[21:52] <zddd> vfw: its okay
[21:52] <zddd> why?
[21:52] <vfw> xfce rocks!
[21:52] <zddd> yeh its okay
[21:52] <zddd> im not really struggling for resources so i prefer gnome
[21:53] <zddd> i misread somewhere though and thought 17.04 was gnome
[21:53] <vfw> i'm not struggling for resources so i prefer xfce ;)
[21:53] <tfitts> vfw: yes, on paper
[21:53] <zddd> well, that's cool
[21:53] <zddd> it was a question about gnome and unity though
[21:53] <zddd> not xfce shilling ;)
[21:54] <zddd> but, xfce is my choice for low power computers
[21:54] <MirkoK> zddd: 17.10 will be Gnome3 by default
[21:54] <vfw> tfitts: lpr Documents/*.pdf
[21:54] <multifractal> I did transmission-remote -n 'transmission:transmission' -s. But it said "No torrent specified!  Please use the -t option first. localhost:9091/transmission/rpc/ responded: "success"". The status says 'stopped'
[21:55] <MirkoK> zddd: Or better said; gnome-shell, als Gnome3 is just the underlying framework
[21:55] <Bashing-om> zddd: gnome3 is on 17.04 . At the login click on the ubuntu icon to switch the DE to gnome3 .
[21:56] <jayjo> is there a way to symbolic link (or some other approach) a directory to /var/www/ for development?
[21:56] <nacc> jayjo: sure, just do it?
[21:56] <jayjo> Like I would be able to switch it back and forth between directories without configuring and restarting nginx or apache2
[21:57] <tfitts> vfw: is that like if the file is saved to Documents?
[21:57] <nacc> jayjo: i'm not sure that model is entirely well recommended, but contentfully you have lots of options
[21:57] <nacc> jayjo: you can just put a subdir in /var/www that's a symlink to your user's home dir somewher
[21:57] <b0bby__> hey
[21:57] <nacc> jayjo: or use the homedir module (i forget the name exactly)
[21:58] <b0bby__> can I have some help?
[21:58] <nacc> !ask| b0bby__
[21:58] <rud0lf> public_html ?
[21:58] <nacc> rud0lf: yeah that one :)
[21:59] <b0bby__> Ok. so I have an aws server and one of my users is placed in a chroot jail. when I login as them it displays the legal disclamer dispite their being no motd file. This only happens for users in the chroot jail. How do I disable this legal message?
[22:00] <jayjo> so I should create a link from the working directory to /var/www/public_hmtl/ ?
[22:00] <rud0lf> no
[22:00] <jayjo> what's the preferred method?
[22:01] <b0bby__> nacc any ideas?
[22:02] <leftyfb> b0bby__: I don't see any legal disclaimers in /etc/motd or /etc/issue.net on my end
[22:02] <leftyfb> ah
[22:02] <leftyfb> b0bby__: /etc/legal
[22:03] <tfitts> leftyfb: thanks, your shell script got me what I needed.
[22:04] <b0bby__> leftyb thanks
[22:06] <b0bby__> ok time for the hard question
[22:07] <nacc> jayjo: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/howto/public_html.html ?
[22:08] <KennyQ> hi
[22:09] <b0bby__> So I have a script that selects a random quote from a file and displays it as part of the motd via the update-motd.d system. Now the code works fine when ran out of the environment but fails to find the quote file when ran by motd. Do you know how I could read files through this script -> https://pastebin.com/GL08gh85
[22:09] <b0bby__> Any help is much appreciated
[22:12] <nacc> b0bby__: i think you need to give more details of failure?
[22:14] <b0bby__> nacc I don't get any explicit error messages. The program checks for the quotes file and if it cant find it it will print the default message. It prints the default messages.
[22:16] <nacc> b0bby__: um, no, it checsk for a *current* quotefile
[22:16] <nacc> b0bby__: actually, wait, i misread that
[22:16] <nacc> b0bby__: but i think line 4 is wrong
[22:17] <nacc> b0bby__: that's a string "quotes" :)
[22:17] <b0bby__> nacc
[22:17] <b0bby__> nacc yea I saw that and fixed it. This fixed the program
[22:17] <b0bby__> thanks
[22:17] <b0bby__> anyway
[22:17] <nacc> b0bby__: meaning the other issue is fixed too?
[22:18] <b0bby__> nacc yep script runs like normal now
[22:23] <KennyQ> I just installed Ubuntu on my laptop
[22:25] <lord-ragnarock> KennyQ, my install's still going ;0
[22:25] <rud0lf> welcome to the tribe \o/
[22:25] <lord-ragnarock> *;)
[22:25] <lord-ragnarock> Wait when did I come here with my problem yesterday anyway? You remember nacc? :P
[22:25] <KennyQ> how much longer until you finish?
[22:26] <lord-ragnarock> installer says 97% cleaning up :)
[22:26] <klimt> anyone knows if and whether it's possible to enable 2FA when authenticating LOCALLY in an ubuntu host?
[22:26] <klimt> that is from the login screen
[22:28] <nacc> klimt: i'm not sure i follow -- 2fa involves some remote source generally. Do you mean you want to do this without talking to google at all?
[22:28] <nacc> *google, .e.g
[22:30] <klimt> what i have in mind nacc, is that when i boot up my pc and i see the login screen, to see username/password/token. i dont mind "talking" to google.
[22:30] <doubtful> does anybody use xournal here?
[22:30] <klimt> nacc, does that make sense?
[22:30] <nacc> klimt: https://askubuntu.com/questions/609117/how-to-setup-two-factor-authentication-in-ubuntu-for-ubuntu-users-using-google-a ?
[22:30] <nacc> klimt: afaict, pam supports it, you just have to configure it all
[22:30] <nacc> klimt: i guess i'm not sure if the login screen supports it, which is your point
[22:31] <nacc> klimt: oh it mentions it in step 3 :)
[22:31] <doubtful> I am using it with wacom tablet, it works fine on a single monitor display. But on multi-monitor displays, it works weirdly. Stretching the strokes horiziontally.
[22:32] <klimt> cool - thanks nacc i will take a look at step 3 (yes that's the part i am interested in).
[22:34] <nacc> klimt: good luck; it certainly seems possible
[22:50] <apb1963> Is anyone using Radeon GPU with 16.04?  If so, what model GPU?  Which driver?
[22:51] <apb1963> lshw -c display
[22:51] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Ask your real question . A lot of AMD GPUs . A lot of users of AMD .
[22:57] <nacc> apb1963: yes, people are.
[22:58] <klimt> nacc, i didn't work. thank god I had webmin enabled and i managed to edit the /etc/pam.d/auth.common file
[22:58] <klimt> otherwise i couldn't login with either root or normal user account.
[22:58] <nacc> klimt: hrm, i thought that guide said to only enable it for a test user, for specifically that reason
[22:58] <klimt> i did enable it for my normal user
[22:59] <klimt> but i think it broke the whole authentication process
[22:59] <nacc> klimt: right, i would not have done that :)
[22:59] <klimt> pre-pending "auth required pam_google_authenticator.so"
[22:59] <nacc> klimt: make a new user and punish them :)
[22:59] <nacc> klimt: right, you have to manually remove that to disable it, aiui
[22:59] <nacc> klimt: (that's in that AU article)
[23:00] <klimt> anyways... probably gonna play with a Rpi to make sure i understand how it properly works.
[23:00] <croz> !seen implite
[23:00] <klimt> thanks for your time nacc
[23:00] <nacc> klimt: yeah, that seems like a good testbed :)
[23:01] <nacc> klimt: i don't know much about it, sorry i couldnt' give more details
[23:01] <klimt> nacc, it's ok.
[23:04] <apb1963> What motherboard should I buy?  I don't want to worry about AMD no longer supporting Radeon in a few years.
[23:06] <nacc> why would AMD not suppor their own graphics card?
[23:08] <apb1963> Well... I suppose I could type up a page on it.. but someone already has.... which is why I'm asking the question here.   https://askubuntu.com/questions/815591/ubuntu-14-04-5-16-04-16-10-and-amd-graphics
[23:08] <apb1963> I draw your attention to the sentence fragment which states "... you must not know AMD's reputation for ditching support for even slightly older cards on Linux. "
[23:09] <nacc> which is some random person's opinion
[23:09] <apb1963> Which again, is why I ask here.
[23:09] <apb1963> It's like you're upset I'm doing research.
[23:10] <apb1963> Before spending my money.
[23:10] <nacc> apb1963: you may want to ask in a hardware related channel (it's less ubuntu and more linux).
[23:10]  * YankDownUnder thinks research is the Devil's Crowbar and Flathead Screwdriver
[23:11] <nacc> if you aren't gaming, afaict, none of this matters. If you are gaming, then it probably does. Or maybe other graphics-intensive things
[23:11] <apb1963> If my question were hardware focused, I would have done so.  But thank you anyway.  The question is firmware specific and directly related to k/ubuntu.
[23:11] <compdoc> 'slightly older cards' meaning 10 years or more
[23:11] <nacc> apb1963: 'firmware' specific?
[23:11] <nacc> apb1963: your question is 'what hardware should i buy?'
[23:11] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Consider: AMD is working hard to give us - ubuntu - what we asked for . Full support for open source driver . On that effort old cards get left behindand there "might" be catchup to support older cards ..
[23:11] <nacc> apb1963: ... seems pretty hardware focused to me
[23:11] <apb1963> Driver = firmware
[23:11] <nacc> apb1963: uh, no.
[23:12] <nacc> apb1963: not at all
[23:12] <YankDownUnder> apb1963, When I build something for a client, I find a motherboard that's been out for at least one year, a graphics card that's been out for at least one year - ditto with sound card if required...but "one year" - which is time enough for drivers/source to be tweaked and distributed...JUST telling you how I deal with stuff (because I don't like to throw time/energy into supporting broken things)
[23:13] <apb1963> YankDownUnder: I'm trying to strike a balance between age and beauty so as to save money.  I appreciate the input.
[23:13] <YankDownUnder> apb1963, Coolbeans. Peace and blessings.
[23:16] <apb1963> Bashing-om: OK, so... the open source driver... is it gallium?  oibaf's driver's  something else?  What is "us - ubuntu" supporting at this time?  What graphics cards are supported?  Where is the lis please?
[23:16] <apb1963> list
[23:16] <cool_boy> I am having trouble in killing a process, it is started as thread, if I kill the process with PID it starts a new thread
[23:16] <cool_boy> how do I kill all the process with a name?
[23:16] <jellyf> killall
[23:17] <nacc> cool_boy: pkill
[23:17] <MirkoK> apb1963: Driver and firmware are absolutely not the same. They can depend on another, but they are really very different things. If you are bothered about AMD graphics being bad supported opt for nvidia.
[23:17] <cool_boy> jellyf:  killall says no process found
[23:17] <nacc> cool_boy: read the manpage
[23:17] <cool_boy> nacc: pkill also doesn't
[23:17] <oerheks> if that process is a service, it repawns, so what process is bugging you?
[23:17] <nacc> cool_boy: how are you inovking it?
[23:17] <cool_boy> nacc: I tried sudo pkill odoo80
[23:17] <cool_boy> odoo80 is the term I use to grep the process
[23:18] <nacc> cool_boy: what?
[23:18] <nacc> cool_boy: so the process name is *not* odoo80?
[23:18] <apb1963> MirkoK: Yes.  Precisely.  Unfortunately, easier said than done.  There is no way I'm aware of to easily find mamaboards with nvidia and amd
[23:18] <cool_boy> nacc: https://pastebin.com/6XMAXNW7
[23:19] <cool_boy> the grep result of odoo80
[23:19] <oerheks> Odoo (OpenERP) container ?
[23:19] <nacc> cool_boy: right, so *read* the manpages
[23:19] <cool_boy> oerheks: yes but buildout
[23:19] <nacc> cool_boy: start_odoo is the name of the program, or you can pass -f to `pkill` nad it will search the full command line
[23:20] <cool_boy> nacc: sudo pkill -f start_odoo
[23:21] <cool_boy> is that correct?
[23:21] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Support list as of 04nov2016: http://theleftcoastgeek.net/index.php/general-interest/11-amd-gpu-support-with-amdgpu-and-amdgpu-pro ; http://theleftcoastgeek.net/index.php/categories/12-possible-amdgpu-pro-supported-gpus-by-the-end . For starters .
[23:21] <cool_boy> nacc: that also doesn't work
[23:22] <MirkoK> apb1963: a quick google search reveals lot's of AMD/Nvidia boards available. But as it has been said, that's better discussed in a hardware group.
[23:22] <nacc> cool_boy: well, not that's not what i was suggesting
[23:22] <nacc> cool_boy: did you read any of hte manpages?
[23:22] <nacc> cool_boy: ah i see, it's because the actual executalbe is python. you don't want to pkill python
[23:23] <nacc> cool_boy: what did `sudo pkill -f start_odoo` result in? (pastebin the same ps ax | grep)
[23:23] <cool_boy> nacc: returns nothing
[23:23] <apb1963> MirkoK: my question had been about the driver but thanks... I think I made the mistake of focusing too much on pcpartpicker.
[23:23] <cool_boy> prompt goes to new line
[23:24] <nacc> cool_boy: i'm not sure pkill outputs anything
[23:24] <cool_boy> nacc: it doesn't , in my case it kills the process but threads are started with new PIDs
[23:25] <nacc> cool_boy: right, so you need to stop the *spawning* process
[23:25] <nacc> cool_boy: i'm sorry, but if you don't know what to kill, pkill or killal isn't going to help you
[23:25] <tgm4883> cool_boy: so it works then...
[23:26] <cool_boy> nacc: correct, I don't know what to kill :(
[23:26] <nacc> cool_boy: which seems like it should have been your question, then
[23:26] <nacc> cool_boy: look at pstree, maybe
[23:26] <cool_boy> nacc: didn't know it that time, sorry
[23:27] <oerheks> sudo /etc/init.d/openerp stop perhaps? or sudo /etc/init.d/odoo-server stop
[23:28] <cool_boy> nacc: https://pastebin.com/aMtu8FDh  pstree result, line 20 and 22 are the ones I would like to kill
[23:29] <cool_boy> I am studying pstree
[23:30] <user___> hi
[23:31] <uxfi> Hi all does anyoen here run Ubuntu server from home?
[23:31] <uxfi> hi cool_boy user___
[23:31] <lord-ragnarock> Good news! My powerbook successfully installed and is working properly C:
[23:31] <tgm4883> uxfi: ask your question
[23:32] <cool_boy> uxfi: hi
[23:32] <lord-ragnarock> running 16.04.2 :)
[23:32] <nacc> lord-ragnarock: nice!
[23:32] <lord-ragnarock> Thanks so much for the help nacc :)
[23:32] <nacc> lord-ragnarock: np, glad you got bootstrapped ok. that netboot vs. cd is always confusing at first :)
[23:33] <uxfi> tgm4883  hi do you run Ubuntu server from home for a website?
[23:33] <tgm4883> uxfi: ask a support question
[23:33] <nacc> uxfi: that's not really a relevant question for the support channel
[23:33] <uxfi> oh ok
[23:52] <energizer> How can I do the equivalent of "Dropbox file request" for my own server, where I create a link and then anybody with the link can upload files to the server from browser?
[23:53] <migs_> hello
[23:53] <Fed51> Aloha
[23:54] <migs_> I am trying to customize the top panel in ubuntu. How do i add icons?
[23:56] <Fed51> if you are referring to Unity, may as well switch to Gnome now, they're dropping Unity
[23:56] <migs_> for some reason my wifi icon is not showing
[23:56] <Fed51> if you're referring to Gnome, then you would need extensions
[23:56] <migs_> really?
[23:56] <migs_> I can't find it in appearance and settingsd
[23:56] <migs_> yes I have unity
[23:57] <kostkon> migs_, is your wifi working?
[23:57] <uxfi> hi Fed51
[23:57] <migs_> yes it it
[23:57] <migs_> kostkon, the icon is missing though
[23:58] <p3rror> How to start a service at boot
[23:58] <bonsairoot> energizer, I'm sure there's an easier way but nextcloud has that functionality
[23:58] <Fed51> p3rror: sudo systemctl enable <service>