valorie@Gary I don't recall seeing anything00:38
valorieplease repost00:38
valorieyes, this is for getting and giving user support00:38
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I have a 16.04 LTS system.  It has been running without fail since before 16.04.  The only issues I truly have had have been with an NVIDA card. … I did normal updates and upon a reboot, I received a message saying that OpenGL2.0 is not able to be used.  I have OpenGL3.1 set. … KDE GUI does not show, … I have removed and purged all NVIDIA drivers and a GUI appears.  I have tried to install diferent verions of NVIDIA through the "D01:06
IrcsomeBot1settings.  None work. … I'm at a loss.01:06
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valorie@Gary -- so neauvou isn't working for you?01:16
valorieif it is, what's the issue?01:17
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I haven't tried neauvou.  I have an NVIDIA card that was working prior to updates.  I eliminated NVIDIA completely and then I have a KDE desktop.01:19
valorieyes, so now you are using neauvou01:21
valoriewhich is the open driver01:21
valoriethe Nvidia card is still working, or you would see nothing01:21
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Yes.. without the drivers, the same card is still working01:22
Roeyanyone here?01:45
Roeyhey hey valorie!01:45
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Valorie, I certainly don't write te code for NVIDA or KDE, but I'm certain, without a recent updat of an NVIDA driver, that there are other issues possibly in the KDE backport.01:47
valorie@gary, that's possible01:55
valoriethere are so many chips and other parts of people's systems01:55
valoriethat not all updates will work 100% correctly for everything01:55
valoriewe always test before releasing backports or updates01:56
valorieas does the larger Ubuntu team01:56
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> So, I should wait until future updates?  It would seem that past hardware should ALWAYS be supported.  Am I incorrect?01:56
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I have been a Linux user as an ISP since 1995.  I'm not new01:57
valorie@Gary, I'm not seeing the problem here. Your card is supported; your desktop is loading and works01:57
valorienot everyone uses the nvidia blobs01:58
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Thank you, Valorie.  What do you reccomend?01:59
valorieI'm asking what the actual problem is01:59
valoriehey Roey, how are ya01:59
Roeyfacing a weird problem: I was upgrading my father's new computer from 16.04 -> 17.04 with do-release-upgrade, and it upgraded... but now it doesn't recognie the keyboard or mouse.02:00
Roeyit upgraded to 16.10.02:00
valorie@gary, if you ask driver manager what you are running and it works, I don't see the problem02:00
valorieeven after restarting?02:00
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Valorie, I'm using now a laptop that was installed with the exact same versions at the same time.02:00
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> This laptop has an NVIDIA card02:01
valorieyes, you said so02:01
valorieare you saying that your new laptop isn't working?02:01
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I'm saying the laptop was loaded with Kubuntu 16.04 at the same time and has a newer NVIDA card.02:02
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I certainly appreciate your help, Valorie.02:04
valorie@Gary, if you are interested02:04
valoriethere is a PPA with newer drivers: https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-official-ppa-graphics/02:04
valorieI am using it on my new laptop and it's good02:05
valoriehowever I'm back to nouveau anyway02:05
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I will try that on me server and let you know.02:05
valoriesorry for my horrible spelling of that by the say02:05
valoriefollow the driver-manager recommendation02:05
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> You are typing quickly.... I'm just a bad speller02:06
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Valorie, this is just a KDE GUI problem on a server.  It's not an immediate or urgent issue.02:07
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I thought it also to be a problem that had not been also reported02:08
valoriewell, I'm no expert, and am still unclear on the nature of the problem02:08
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I can always make it work.  Patience has always taught me that Linux problems will alway be repaired in time.02:08
valoriethat is very true02:09
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Please ask me specifically what may help clarify you unclarity02:09
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chcknrubis it normal for plasmashell to use 500mb of memory?02:54
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> As of one week ago, it worked well.  I could get the model# for you of the card, but I'm sure it has 50002:56
Dragnslcrchcknrub- around 125 MB here02:56
chcknrubu reboot everyday?02:56
chcknrubmy startup is already 200mb02:57
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> twice per week02:57
chcknrubusing kde neon02:57
DragnslcrUptime of about 14 days02:57
DragnslcrWhat version of Kubuntu are you using?02:57
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> 16.0402:57
chcknrubi tried kubuntu 16.04.. but no kde updates for months02:57
chcknrubso i switch to kde neon based on kubuntu 16.0402:58
chcknrubkde plasma version 5.9.502:58
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> The server is up and running.  Works perfectly without NVIDA drivers02:58
Dragnslcrchcknrub- if you aren't using Kubuntu, then it's unlikely that anyone here will be able to help you02:59
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I certay am using Kubuntu02:59
chcknrubhow about everyone starts using kde neon instead03:00
Dragnslcrchcknrub- you're more likely to get help if you ask in a channel for your distribution03:00
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I've been using Linux since 1995 as an ISP03:00
chcknrubdowngrading kde version will fix it? unlikely03:01
valoriechcknrub: please stop03:01
valoriethe KDE neon team are our friends03:01
valoriethis channel is for and about kubuntu03:02
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Seems like Dems v GOP03:02
valorienot at all03:02
* valorie is on both teams03:02
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> We are all working together, right?03:03
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Thank you, Valorie03:04
chcknrubwhat is the highest desktop uptime u have guys?03:04
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I would appreciate your questions in order for me to provide you the information to assit me.03:04
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Uptime is not the issue here.  It is simply a change of OpenGL working with NVIDIA03:06
valoriechcknrub: I've had some months uptime, but now I'm testing a lot, so... not long03:07
valoriedays not weeks03:07
valorieIMO that's important for servers, not so much for desktop machines03:07
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> This server has been running Ubuntu/Kubuntu for about 3 years03:08
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Uptime would only allow the time between reboots.  I reboot each time a linux firmware is installed.03:09
Unit193Kernel, perhaps?03:10
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Possibly03:10
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I've not tried to reboot with an older kernal03:11
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Doing it now.....03:12
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Makes no difference. … Could it be I use "backports"?03:16
chcknrub5 - 10 yrs would be nice.... ^_^03:16
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> You have never restarted a server in 5 years?03:17
chcknrubmy desktop is 24x7, i'm running this chat gui03:19
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I run he KDE GUI BWO Kubuntu03:19
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Your server must be better.  I personally didn't wish to be better than you.03:21
chcknrubi'm using kde 4.14.13.. uptime is 60 days until i update security patches...03:21
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> When I was an ISP, I had a Windows NT machine to run for 982 days befor a restart.03:22
chcknrubit is running on low power i7-4770T cpu (quad core)...03:23
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Asre you trying to help me or you?03:24
chcknrubi used web browser sometimes so i need to update security patches, otherwise no need to restart.. i have to re-login to this chat again....03:26
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I hope my warm ear to hear your accolades helps you.03:27
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I'm still looking toward Valorie03:33
valoriestill here, but working on other tasks too!03:35
valorieIMO you should use backports if you want newer versions of all your software03:35
valorieinstead of just base system updates03:35
valorieI always run backports03:36
valoriebut then, I don't run LTS03:36
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> That's what I'm using03:36
valorieI know, so I think you value stability over "new"03:36
valoriewhereas I like new and shiny03:37
valorieI ran 17.04 pretty much as soon as the archive opened03:37
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Valorie... I know stability of a server comes from the Linux operating system and it's core... not Kubuntu or else on top.03:38
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> The server is working perfectly03:38
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> This problem goes beyond me.  Few ever have.  You, nor I can intupret the interactions of all code delelopers.03:40
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I'm certan that I could assist youin effort to help others.03:41
valoriecool! hang out here when you can then03:42
valoriethere are lots of questions I can't answer when I'm here03:42
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Thank you, Valorie.03:51
valoriewe welcome anyone willing to help out, @Gary03:53
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Valorie, when I started, I used BSDI, the commercial version of BSD03:54
valorieah, I didn't know they ever had a commercial version03:55
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> They sure did and had wonderful tech support.03:56
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I knew nothing of UNIX / Linux03:56
valorieit started pretty small, both the GNU part and the Linux kernel part both03:57
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> They would tell me to type in commands quickly03:57
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> How young are you, Valorie?03:58
valorieheh, not!03:58
* valorie is a grandma03:58
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Gary should be a grandpa too!!03:59
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I don't mean to be personal04:00
valorienot a problem; I blog as "linuxgrandma"04:00
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I used to write code on a Radio Shake Color Computer04:01
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> With errors04:01
valoriewe should take this to #kubuntu-offtopic04:01
valorieKubuntu-cafe in Telegram04:02
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Please message me there04:02
viewer|9301is there anyway to make the titlebar disappear in firefox? help please04:02
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Hi 9301.  May I have a name I could call you?04:03
valorie@Gary, this is a help channel, so we need to keep off-topic chat out of here and in the proper channel04:05
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Firefox is a very flexable application that has many functions beyond the casual user.04:05
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> 10-4 Valorie04:05
viewer|9301hi im manish04:06
valorieviewer|9301: right-click on the titlebar04:06
valoriemore actions > no border04:06
viewer|9301i tried that. but everytime i reopen firefox its still there :/04:06
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Manish... Valorie will help you.04:09
viewer|9301:) my laptop has a small screen that is why :/ i can hide the titlebar on chromium. but its making my computer slow04:12
valoriewell, it's possible that you have some permission problems in your home directory, which is where FF settings are kept04:12
valorieperhaps that's why your changes aren't "sticking04:13
ubottuAn explanation of what file permissions are and how they can be manipulated can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions04:13
valoriebasically you will "chown" your home04:13
valorieand reset any files which are owned by root, back to "you"04:14
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> But he simply asked "is there anyway to make the titlebar disappear in firefox? help please"04:16
viewer|9301im sorry m new to linux .i have no idea how to reset anything :(04:16
valoriewhich I answered04:16
valorieviewer|9301: click the URL https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions and read about it04:17
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> You can't make the title bar go away as it is not a user option in Firefox04:17
valorie@Gary - kwin allows you to do that to all windows04:18
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I know, Valorie.  I should not have interjected.04:20
viewer|9301thanks guys. ill just go and read then :)04:20
valorieno problem!04:20
valoriepeople have varying experiences and advice04:20
valorieas long as it's helpful, it's welcome04:21
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> We all have opinions.  God bless the USA!!04:21
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> I still find you great to be here.  Few are so dedicated04:22
lordievader[m]Good morning05:07
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> Great morning05:07
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> How may I help you?05:08
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lordievader[m]Oh, I do not need help. I'm usually on the other side of the fence ;)05:18
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> That's great.  Hope the barbed wire doesn't hut as you jump the fence05:19
IrcsomeBot1<Gary> If you need help, someone is always her05:21
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yocs0000I am trying o find a good widget to put notes on the desktop, the existing default widget is too simplistic and does not allow formatting. Any clue?09:42
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yocs0000I am trying o find a good widget to put notes on the desktop, the existing default widget is too simplistic and does not allow formatting. Any clue?10:25
BluesKaj'Morning folks10:28
Roeyheyo BluesKaj10:45
BluesKajhi Roey10:45
BluesKajstudent,  100% :-)12:22
ubottuVai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)13:29
EvilRoeyBluesKaj: heya, so I had Ubunntu 16.04.2 LTS on this Intel NUC 6i7KYK system; I upgraded to 16.10, but now when it boots, it no longer recognizes keyboard or mouse input! :(  Furthermore, I tried entering the GRUB boot menu by holding down Shift, but it did not work.   Tried the other Shift.  Same thing.  Tried both Shifts.  Same thing.13:47
hateballEvilRoey: can you enter BIOS?13:48
EvilRoeyyes I can13:48
EvilRoeyit's where I am now13:48
EvilRoey(obviously I am chatting to you from my workstation, which is unaffected)13:49
hateballEvilRoey: did it have an ssh server installed before the 16.10 upgrade?13:49
hateballso you can access it while running, at all13:49
EvilRoeyit did not13:50
EvilRoeyhateball: ^13:50
EvilRoeybtw again, god, I love your nickname13:50
hateballGonna be pretty hard then, you'll need to liveboot and possibly edit kernel options, question is what13:51
EvilRoeyso there is one place I saw something:13:51
EvilRoeythey advised issuing "sudo aptitude purge irqbalance"13:51
hateballEvilRoey: yeah well, if you cant access grub you cant enter recovery menu13:52
EvilRoeywell I ccan force the grub menu to appear13:52
EvilRoeythat's one thing.13:52
hateballI'd personally do that, and go to a recovery console and do-release-upgrade to 17.04 since 16.10 is EOL in a bit anyhow13:53
BluesKajEvilRoey,  I think hateball has a good point, don't muck about with 16.1013:53
EvilRoeyBluesKaj: shoudl I try installing 17.04 then?13:54
hateballEvilRoey: otherwise you can of course try those suggestions, or livebooting and chrooting... but 16.10 is still EOL soon13:54
EvilRoeyahhh I see.13:54
BluesKajEvilRoey,  yes install 17.0413:54
EvilRoeyso perhaps I shoudl have stuck with 14.whatever13:54
EvilRoeyBluesKaj: k13:54
BluesKajis this nuc a an intel ?13:55
BluesKajok it is , just reread your post , yes 17.04 is kinder to intel graphics, as i can atestby my laptop13:56
BluesKajRoey, ^13:57
EvilRoeyBluesKaj: yes it is13:58
EvilRoeyBluesKaj:  :)13:58
EvilRoeyBluesKaj: as in, yes, it's an intel nuc13:58
BluesKajso you have intel graphics, which my laptop uses, and 17.04 runs very nicely on it.13:59
BluesKajthink your nuc will probly run 17.04 better than16.1014:04
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EvilRoeyBluesKaj: yeay!14:12
EvilRoeyBluesKaj: i hope,l at least!14:12
EvilRoey\what to do if the personwhove gave me the nuc had installed to one file system instead of to / and /home?14:12
EvilRoeythey've installed Windows as a VirtualBox guest, and I want to keep that14:13
hateballEvilRoey: you dont need to reinstall anything14:14
hateballjust do-release-upgrade from a root console (with network)14:14
BluesKajhateball,  he can't get to a vt/tty14:14
BluesKajno mouse no KB14:15
hateballBluesKaj: right, but there's still ways to force it14:15
hateballassuming the mouse/kb works at all with that kernel that is14:15
EvilRoeyhateball: ok14:15
EvilRoeyoh yeah but i need to chroot14:15
hateballthen you can liveboot, edit the grub.cfg to boot single mode by default14:15
hateballnope, you cant do-release-upgrade with chroot14:15
EvilRoeyhow do I boot to single-mode by default again?14:15
BluesKajthink windows VM loses..Roey a clean install is your only option if you can't drop to a shell14:15
EvilRoeyhateball: ok.  So what are the steps you propose for installing 17.04, aside from re-installing it from the CD14:16
EvilRoeyBluesKaj: ok, that's what I figured14:16
hateballEvilRoey: liveboot your system with something, then mount your partition with /boot on it14:18
hateballEvilRoey: then you manually edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg14:18
EvilRoeyhateball: let's say I can boot to the command line (no X), what then?14:19
hateballEvilRoey: then you can "sudo do-release-upgrade"14:19
hateballwhich will put you on 17.04 with new kernel etc14:19
hateballEvilRoey: anyhow, edit grub.cfg and append "single" to your bootline14:19
hateballby default you will have a line with linux that ends with "quiet splash"14:20
BluesKajif he can boot to a vt/tty14:21
hateballlike "linux   /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-77-generic blahblah quiet splash"14:21
hateballso just add single at the end there14:22
EvilRoeyby the way, I am trying to make an install USB stick... how do I get the .iso onto it?14:22
BluesKajwhat about nomodeset ?14:22
hateballEvilRoey: dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX14:22
hateballBluesKaj: the issue isnt graphics, he has no mouse/keyboard14:23
BluesKajthat's X server14:23
hateballit dies soon as grub loads, as I understand it. which is why he cant enter it manually14:24
hateballhence the need to liveboot and edit configs14:24
hateballbut I must leave now, so good luck \o14:24
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BluesKajEvilRoey,  try nomodeset in plaqce of quiet splash if you can get to /etc/default/grub with nano in the shell , if that doesn't work try it his way14:27
EvilRoeyI am re-trying..14:30
EvilRoeyI'm burning the image then rebooting into it on the nuc system14:30
BluesKajEvilRoey,  if you get to a shell, make sure you run sudo update-grub after editing in nano14:31
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BluesKajafter saving and exiting nano rather14:33
BluesKajhave you used nano inthe cli before?14:34
EvilRoeyI have not14:34
EvilRoeyI typically use jed instead14:34
EvilRoeyI find emacs keybindings very comfortable14:34
BluesKajok , when you're finished editing do ctl+o, enter, then ctl+x14:35
N0Lif3is it just me or is Kubuntu 17.04 a lot slower than 16.10 was?14:36
N0Lif3it's super unresponsive on my chromebook14:37
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jonlandrum_hi all15:03
N0Lif3is there a way to downgrade back to 16.10?15:14
BluesKajN0Lif3,  tell us your issue15:16
N0Lif3my laptop is super slow and unresponsive now15:16
N0Lif3ever since I upgraded to 17.0415:16
BluesKajN0Lif3,  turn off serch in system settins for starters, then check system setttings>startup&shutdown>background services, stop and uncheck the services you think are not needed. remove unattenended-upgrades and and run updatesnad upgrades yourself in the konsole daily15:21
N0Lif3disable file search and each of the Plasma Search options?15:22
BluesKajthat's up to you15:23
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enkeyz_hello guys: I switched from Ubuntu to Kubuntu some time ago, and I have a problem with Wireshark: http://oi64.tinypic.com/2r44o6w.jpg18:24
enkeyz_trouble is the selected packet/text is white18:25
enkeyz_I tried to change font settings in Wireshark, but it didn't help18:25
enkeyz_can somebody help?18:38
sithlord48@enkeyz_ have you looked in system settings ?18:38
sithlord48colors for a new color theme or perhaps application apperance for gtk settings18:39
enkeyz_tried to switch color scheme, but didn't help18:39
sithlord48wireshark is now qt iirc so maybe just he first one18:39
sithlord48i second18:39
enkeyz_sorry, what?18:40
sithlord481 second .. starting up wireshark18:40
enkeyz_thanks for the help18:40
sithlord48your most welcome18:40
enkeyz_I installed Arc-KDE theme using Kvantum18:40
enkeyz_that's the only thing I changed since install18:41
sithlord48did u try this with breeze color theme?18:41
sithlord48its possible your color scheme has bad selection color and/or wireshark hardcodes its highlinght18:41
enkeyz_it's working with breeze18:42
sithlord48then its yoru theme18:42
sithlord48try breeze dark if you perfer a darker theme18:42
enkeyz_what can I do now? I'd like to use Arc theme18:43
sithlord48let me see if i can find tha ttheme18:43
sithlord48where did u get it from Get newstuff?18:43
sithlord48report the issue to them ?18:45
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enkeyz_I will18:45
sithlord48you can use the arc look and feel with a different color theme and see if tha thelps18:46
sithlord48try breeze dark its similar to arc's colors18:46
enkeyz_changing color scheme not working18:48
enkeyz_only if I change theme18:48
sithlord48then its just their color scheme you can try to custmize it in systemsettings ->colors18:48
enkeyz_not works18:53
somekoolhey there.19:20
somekoolanyone got baloo to index emails and files?19:20
somekooland attachments, I mean19:20
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grim_hi hat jmd eine idee warum meine usb tastatur im login nicht funktioniert?20:31
grim_ist ne corsair mit schnickschnack20:32
grim_vor allem aber nem 2. usb anschluss für usb device path through20:32
grim_jedes mal wenn ich mich einloggen will muss ich meine alte tastatur anschließen20:33
grim_da ubuntu keine eingaben von der neuen aktzeptiert20:33
grim_jmd ne idee?20:33
grim_oh i see20:33
grim_thought i would be in the german channel20:34
grim_does any1 know the german kubuntu channel?20:34
valorie!de | grim_20:34
ubottugrim_: In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis!20:34
grim_not many people there, im going to try it here20:36
grim_i got a problem with my new keybord20:36
grim_at the loginscreen kubuntu doesnt accept any keystrokes of it20:37
grim_or if i use a sudo command20:37
grim_any1 knows that problem?20:37
grim_my old keybord works20:38
grim_so i have to plugg in my old keybord to log in every time ;_;20:38
grim_the new one got a 2nd usb connect for usb paththrough20:39
grim_maybee thats the problem20:39
grim_i tryed several options but nothing seemed to work20:40
valoriegrim_: #ubuntu is much larger, and I think this is not specifically a Kubuntu problem20:42
valorieto I would try there20:42
grim_hm i think its a kde problem20:43
grim_but i will give it a try20:43
valoriehmmm, well there is #kde then20:44
valoriealways a bit difficult to know what the root of the problem might be20:45
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Fire1221I am trying to install a iso to a flash card and its not working... Started with using dd to do it and it didnt work then I used Startup creater an that didnt work. DD but the files on the stick but it wasnt bootable. Startup Creator gets to a point around 70% then stalls22:43
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