[00:38] @Gary I don't recall seeing anything [00:38] please repost [00:38] yes, this is for getting and giving user support [01:06] I have a 16.04 LTS system. It has been running without fail since before 16.04. The only issues I truly have had have been with an NVIDA card. … I did normal updates and upon a reboot, I received a message saying that OpenGL2.0 is not able to be used. I have OpenGL3.1 set. … KDE GUI does not show, … I have removed and purged all NVIDIA drivers and a GUI appears. I have tried to install diferent verions of NVIDIA through the "D [01:06] settings. None work. … I'm at a loss. === lordievader is now known as Guest80543 [01:16] @Gary -- so neauvou isn't working for you? [01:17] if it is, what's the issue? [01:19] I haven't tried neauvou. I have an NVIDIA card that was working prior to updates. I eliminated NVIDIA completely and then I have a KDE desktop. [01:21] yes, so now you are using neauvou [01:21] which is the open driver [01:21] the Nvidia card is still working, or you would see nothing [01:22] Yes.. without the drivers, the same card is still working [01:45] hi [01:45] anyone here? [01:45] hey hey valorie! [01:47] Valorie, I certainly don't write te code for NVIDA or KDE, but I'm certain, without a recent updat of an NVIDA driver, that there are other issues possibly in the KDE backport. [01:55] @gary, that's possible [01:55] there are so many chips and other parts of people's systems [01:55] that not all updates will work 100% correctly for everything [01:56] we always test before releasing backports or updates [01:56] as does the larger Ubuntu team [01:56] So, I should wait until future updates? It would seem that past hardware should ALWAYS be supported. Am I incorrect? [01:57] I have been a Linux user as an ISP since 1995. I'm not new [01:57] @Gary, I'm not seeing the problem here. Your card is supported; your desktop is loading and works [01:58] not everyone uses the nvidia blobs [01:59] Thank you, Valorie. What do you reccomend? [01:59] I'm asking what the actual problem is [01:59] hey Roey, how are ya [02:00] facing a weird problem: I was upgrading my father's new computer from 16.04 -> 17.04 with do-release-upgrade, and it upgraded... but now it doesn't recognie the keyboard or mouse. [02:00] it upgraded to 16.10. [02:00] @gary, if you ask driver manager what you are running and it works, I don't see the problem [02:00] even after restarting? [02:00] Valorie, I'm using now a laptop that was installed with the exact same versions at the same time. [02:00] strange [02:01] This laptop has an NVIDIA card [02:01] yes, you said so [02:01] are you saying that your new laptop isn't working? [02:02] I'm saying the laptop was loaded with Kubuntu 16.04 at the same time and has a newer NVIDA card. [02:04] I certainly appreciate your help, Valorie. [02:04] @Gary, if you are interested [02:04] there is a PPA with newer drivers: https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-official-ppa-graphics/ [02:05] I am using it on my new laptop and it's good [02:05] however I'm back to nouveau anyway [02:05] I will try that on me server and let you know. [02:05] sorry for my horrible spelling of that by the say [02:05] follow the driver-manager recommendation [02:06] You are typing quickly.... I'm just a bad speller [02:07] Valorie, this is just a KDE GUI problem on a server. It's not an immediate or urgent issue. [02:07] ok [02:08] I thought it also to be a problem that had not been also reported [02:08] well, I'm no expert, and am still unclear on the nature of the problem [02:08] I can always make it work. Patience has always taught me that Linux problems will alway be repaired in time. [02:09] that is very true [02:09] Please ask me specifically what may help clarify you unclarity === stoli is now known as Naturally === Naturally is now known as Naturally_stoli [02:54] is it normal for plasmashell to use 500mb of memory? [02:54] i7-6700k [02:56] As of one week ago, it worked well. I could get the model# for you of the card, but I'm sure it has 500 [02:56] chcknrub- around 125 MB here [02:56] u reboot everyday? [02:57] my startup is already 200mb [02:57] twice per week [02:57] using kde neon [02:57] Uptime of about 14 days [02:57] What version of Kubuntu are you using? [02:57] 16.04 [02:57] i tried kubuntu 16.04.. but no kde updates for months [02:58] so i switch to kde neon based on kubuntu 16.04 [02:58] kde plasma version 5.9.5 [02:58] The server is up and running. Works perfectly without NVIDA drivers [02:59] chcknrub- if you aren't using Kubuntu, then it's unlikely that anyone here will be able to help you [02:59] I certay am using Kubuntu [03:00] how about everyone starts using kde neon instead [03:00] chcknrub- you're more likely to get help if you ask in a channel for your distribution [03:00] I've been using Linux since 1995 as an ISP [03:01] downgrading kde version will fix it? unlikely [03:01] chcknrub: please stop [03:01] the KDE neon team are our friends [03:02] this channel is for and about kubuntu [03:02] Seems like Dems v GOP [03:02] not at all [03:02] * valorie is on both teams [03:03] We are all working together, right? [03:03] indeed [03:04] Thank you, Valorie [03:04] what is the highest desktop uptime u have guys? [03:04] I would appreciate your questions in order for me to provide you the information to assit me. [03:06] Uptime is not the issue here. It is simply a change of OpenGL working with NVIDIA [03:07] chcknrub: I've had some months uptime, but now I'm testing a lot, so... not long [03:07] days not weeks [03:07] IMO that's important for servers, not so much for desktop machines [03:08] This server has been running Ubuntu/Kubuntu for about 3 years [03:09] Uptime would only allow the time between reboots. I reboot each time a linux firmware is installed. [03:10] Kernel, perhaps? [03:10] Possibly [03:11] I've not tried to reboot with an older kernal [03:12] Doing it now..... [03:16] Makes no difference. … Could it be I use "backports"? [03:16] 5 - 10 yrs would be nice.... ^_^ [03:17] You have never restarted a server in 5 years? [03:19] my desktop is 24x7, i'm running this chat gui [03:19] I run he KDE GUI BWO Kubuntu [03:21] Your server must be better. I personally didn't wish to be better than you. [03:21] i'm using kde 4.14.13.. uptime is 60 days until i update security patches... [03:22] When I was an ISP, I had a Windows NT machine to run for 982 days befor a restart. [03:23] it is running on low power i7-4770T cpu (quad core)... [03:24] Asre you trying to help me or you? [03:26] i used web browser sometimes so i need to update security patches, otherwise no need to restart.. i have to re-login to this chat again.... [03:27] I hope my warm ear to hear your accolades helps you. [03:33] I'm still looking toward Valorie [03:35] still here, but working on other tasks too! [03:35] IMO you should use backports if you want newer versions of all your software [03:35] instead of just base system updates [03:36] I always run backports [03:36] but then, I don't run LTS [03:36] That's what I'm using [03:36] I know, so I think you value stability over "new" [03:37] whereas I like new and shiny [03:37] I ran 17.04 pretty much as soon as the archive opened [03:38] Valorie... I know stability of a server comes from the Linux operating system and it's core... not Kubuntu or else on top. [03:38] The server is working perfectly [03:40] This problem goes beyond me. Few ever have. You, nor I can intupret the interactions of all code delelopers. [03:41] I'm certan that I could assist youin effort to help others. [03:42] cool! hang out here when you can then [03:42] there are lots of questions I can't answer when I'm here [03:51] Thank you, Valorie. [03:53] we welcome anyone willing to help out, @Gary [03:54] Valorie, when I started, I used BSDI, the commercial version of BSD [03:55] ah, I didn't know they ever had a commercial version [03:56] They sure did and had wonderful tech support. [03:56] I knew nothing of UNIX / Linux [03:57] it started pretty small, both the GNU part and the Linux kernel part both [03:57] They would tell me to type in commands quickly [03:58] How young are you, Valorie? [03:58] heh, not! [03:58] * valorie is a grandma [03:59] Gary should be a grandpa too!! [04:00] I don't mean to be personal [04:00] not a problem; I blog as "linuxgrandma" [04:01] I used to write code on a Radio Shake Color Computer [04:01] hi [04:01] With errors [04:01] we should take this to #kubuntu-offtopic [04:02] Kubuntu-cafe in Telegram [04:02] Please message me there [04:02] is there anyway to make the titlebar disappear in firefox? help please [04:03] Hi 9301. May I have a name I could call you? [04:05] @Gary, this is a help channel, so we need to keep off-topic chat out of here and in the proper channel [04:05] Firefox is a very flexable application that has many functions beyond the casual user. [04:05] 10-4 Valorie [04:06] hi im manish [04:06] viewer|9301: right-click on the titlebar [04:06] more actions > no border [04:06] i tried that. but everytime i reopen firefox its still there :/ [04:09] Manish... Valorie will help you. [04:12] :) my laptop has a small screen that is why :/ i can hide the titlebar on chromium. but its making my computer slow [04:12] well, it's possible that you have some permission problems in your home directory, which is where FF settings are kept [04:13] perhaps that's why your changes aren't "sticking [04:13] " [04:13] !permissions [04:13] An explanation of what file permissions are and how they can be manipulated can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions [04:13] basically you will "chown" your home [04:14] and reset any files which are owned by root, back to "you" [04:16] But he simply asked "is there anyway to make the titlebar disappear in firefox? help please" [04:16] im sorry m new to linux .i have no idea how to reset anything :( [04:16] which I answered [04:17] viewer|9301: click the URL https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions and read about it [04:17] You can't make the title bar go away as it is not a user option in Firefox [04:18] @Gary - kwin allows you to do that to all windows [04:20] I know, Valorie. I should not have interjected. [04:20] thanks guys. ill just go and read then :) [04:20] no problem! [04:20] people have varying experiences and advice [04:21] as long as it's helpful, it's welcome [04:21] We all have opinions. God bless the USA!! [04:22] I still find you great to be here. Few are so dedicated [05:07] Good morning [05:07] Great morning [05:08] How may I help you? === root is now known as Guest58705 [05:18] Oh, I do not need help. I'm usually on the other side of the fence ;) [05:19] That's great. Hope the barbed wire doesn't hut as you jump the fence [05:21] If you need help, someone is always her === devops is now known as return === che is now known as Guest89479 === lordievader is now known as Guest54373 === Guest53393 is now known as Haudegen [09:42] I am trying o find a good widget to put notes on the desktop, the existing default widget is too simplistic and does not allow formatting. Any clue? === nameless is now known as Guest92311 === himcesjf_ is now known as himcesjf [10:25] I am trying o find a good widget to put notes on the desktop, the existing default widget is too simplistic and does not allow formatting. Any clue? [10:28] 'Morning folks [10:45] heyo BluesKaj [10:45] hi Roey [12:21] test [12:22] student, 100% :-) [13:29] !it [13:29] Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette) [13:47] BluesKaj: heya, so I had Ubunntu 16.04.2 LTS on this Intel NUC 6i7KYK system; I upgraded to 16.10, but now when it boots, it no longer recognizes keyboard or mouse input! :( Furthermore, I tried entering the GRUB boot menu by holding down Shift, but it did not work. Tried the other Shift. Same thing. Tried both Shifts. Same thing. [13:48] EvilRoey: can you enter BIOS? [13:48] yes I can [13:48] it's where I am now [13:49] (obviously I am chatting to you from my workstation, which is unaffected) [13:49] EvilRoey: did it have an ssh server installed before the 16.10 upgrade? [13:49] so you can access it while running, at all [13:50] it did not [13:50] hateball: ^ [13:50] btw again, god, I love your nickname [13:50] Hmmm [13:51] Gonna be pretty hard then, you'll need to liveboot and possibly edit kernel options, question is what [13:51] ok [13:51] so there is one place I saw something: [13:51] https://askubuntu.com/questions/842839/keyboard-and-mouse-only-work-in-recovery-mode-ubuntu-16-04-lts [13:51] they advised issuing "sudo aptitude purge irqbalance" [13:52] EvilRoey: yeah well, if you cant access grub you cant enter recovery menu [13:52] right [13:52] well I ccan force the grub menu to appear [13:52] that's one thing. [13:53] I'd personally do that, and go to a recovery console and do-release-upgrade to 17.04 since 16.10 is EOL in a bit anyhow [13:53] EvilRoey, I think hateball has a good point, don't muck about with 16.10 [13:54] oh [13:54] BluesKaj: shoudl I try installing 17.04 then? [13:54] EvilRoey: otherwise you can of course try those suggestions, or livebooting and chrooting... but 16.10 is still EOL soon [13:54] ahhh I see. [13:54] EvilRoey, yes install 17.04 [13:54] so perhaps I shoudl have stuck with 14.whatever [13:54] BluesKaj: k [13:55] is this nuc a an intel ? [13:56] ok it is , just reread your post , yes 17.04 is kinder to intel graphics, as i can atestby my laptop [13:57] Roey, ^ [13:58] BluesKaj: yes it is [13:58] BluesKaj: :) [13:58] BluesKaj: as in, yes, it's an intel nuc [13:59] so you have intel graphics, which my laptop uses, and 17.04 runs very nicely on it. [14:04] think your nuc will probly run 17.04 better than16.10 === acheronuk is now known as acheronUK [14:12] BluesKaj: yeay! [14:12] BluesKaj: i hope,l at least! [14:12] \what to do if the personwhove gave me the nuc had installed to one file system instead of to / and /home? [14:13] they've installed Windows as a VirtualBox guest, and I want to keep that [14:14] EvilRoey: you dont need to reinstall anything [14:14] just do-release-upgrade from a root console (with network) [14:14] hateball, he can't get to a vt/tty [14:15] no mouse no KB [14:15] BluesKaj: right, but there's still ways to force it [14:15] assuming the mouse/kb works at all with that kernel that is [14:15] hateball: ok [14:15] oh yeah but i need to chroot [14:15] then you can liveboot, edit the grub.cfg to boot single mode by default [14:15] right? [14:15] nope, you cant do-release-upgrade with chroot [14:15] how do I boot to single-mode by default again? [14:15] think windows VM loses..Roey a clean install is your only option if you can't drop to a shell [14:16] hateball: ok. So what are the steps you propose for installing 17.04, aside from re-installing it from the CD [14:16] BluesKaj: ok, that's what I figured [14:18] EvilRoey: liveboot your system with something, then mount your partition with /boot on it [14:18] EvilRoey: then you manually edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg [14:18] ok [14:19] hateball: let's say I can boot to the command line (no X), what then? [14:19] EvilRoey: then you can "sudo do-release-upgrade" [14:19] which will put you on 17.04 with new kernel etc [14:19] EvilRoey: anyhow, edit grub.cfg and append "single" to your bootline [14:20] by default you will have a line with linux that ends with "quiet splash" [14:21] if he can boot to a vt/tty [14:21] like "linux /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-77-generic blahblah quiet splash" [14:22] aye [14:22] ok; [14:22] so just add single at the end there [14:22] by the way, I am trying to make an install USB stick... how do I get the .iso onto it? [14:22] what about nomodeset ? [14:22] EvilRoey: dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX [14:23] BluesKaj: the issue isnt graphics, he has no mouse/keyboard [14:23] that's X server [14:24] it dies soon as grub loads, as I understand it. which is why he cant enter it manually [14:24] hence the need to liveboot and edit configs [14:24] but I must leave now, so good luck \o === nameless is now known as Guest59029 [14:27] EvilRoey, try nomodeset in plaqce of quiet splash if you can get to /etc/default/grub with nano in the shell , if that doesn't work try it his way [14:30] ok [14:30] I am re-trying.. [14:30] I'm burning the image then rebooting into it on the nuc system [14:31] EvilRoey, if you get to a shell, make sure you run sudo update-grub after editing in nano === Zren_ is now known as Zren [14:33] after saving and exiting nano rather [14:34] ok [14:34] have you used nano inthe cli before? [14:34] I have not [14:34] I typically use jed instead [14:34] I find emacs keybindings very comfortable [14:35] ok , when you're finished editing do ctl+o, enter, then ctl+x [14:36] is it just me or is Kubuntu 17.04 a lot slower than 16.10 was? [14:37] it's super unresponsive on my chromebook === jlandrum is now known as jonlandrum_ [15:03] hi all [15:14] is there a way to downgrade back to 16.10? [15:16] N0Lif3, tell us your issue [15:16] my laptop is super slow and unresponsive now [15:16] ever since I upgraded to 17.04 [15:21] N0Lif3, turn off serch in system settins for starters, then check system setttings>startup&shutdown>background services, stop and uncheck the services you think are not needed. remove unattenended-upgrades and and run updatesnad upgrades yourself in the konsole daily [15:22] disable file search and each of the Plasma Search options? [15:23] that's up to you === grumble2 is now known as grumble === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [18:24] hello guys: I switched from Ubuntu to Kubuntu some time ago, and I have a problem with Wireshark: http://oi64.tinypic.com/2r44o6w.jpg [18:25] trouble is the selected packet/text is white [18:25] I tried to change font settings in Wireshark, but it didn't help [18:38] can somebody help? [18:38] @enkeyz_ have you looked in system settings ? [18:39] yep [18:39] colors for a new color theme or perhaps application apperance for gtk settings [18:39] tried to switch color scheme, but didn't help [18:39] wireshark is now qt iirc so maybe just he first one [18:39] i second [18:40] sorry, what? [18:40] 1 second .. starting up wireshark [18:40] thanks for the help [18:40] your most welcome [18:40] I installed Arc-KDE theme using Kvantum [18:41] that's the only thing I changed since install [18:41] did u try this with breeze color theme? [18:41] sec [18:41] its possible your color scheme has bad selection color and/or wireshark hardcodes its highlinght [18:42] *highlight* [18:42] it's working with breeze [18:42] then its yoru theme [18:42] try breeze dark if you perfer a darker theme [18:43] what can I do now? I'd like to use Arc theme [18:43] let me see if i can find tha ttheme [18:43] where did u get it from Get newstuff? [18:44] nop [18:44] https://github.com/PapirusDevelopmentTeam/arc-kde [18:45] report the issue to them ? === dilfridge is now known as donation === donation is now known as dilfridge [18:45] I will [18:46] you can use the arc look and feel with a different color theme and see if tha thelps [18:46] try breeze dark its similar to arc's colors [18:48] changing color scheme not working [18:48] only if I change theme [18:48] then its just their color scheme you can try to custmize it in systemsettings ->colors [18:53] not works [19:20] :( [19:20] hey there. [19:20] anyone got baloo to index emails and files? [19:20] and attachments, I mean === mariano is now known as dr`venom === hook is now known as silver_hook [20:31] hi hat jmd eine idee warum meine usb tastatur im login nicht funktioniert? [20:32] ist ne corsair mit schnickschnack [20:32] vor allem aber nem 2. usb anschluss für usb device path through [20:33]