[00:38] <valorie> @Gary I don't recall seeing anything
[00:38] <valorie> please repost
[00:38] <valorie> yes, this is for getting and giving user support
 I have a 16.04 LTS system.  It has been running without fail since before 16.04.  The only issues I truly have had have been with an NVIDA card. … I did normal updates and upon a reboot, I received a message saying that OpenGL2.0 is not able to be used.  I have OpenGL3.1 set. … KDE GUI does not show, … I have removed and purged all NVIDIA drivers and a GUI appears.  I have tried to install diferent verions of NVIDIA through the "D
[01:06] <IrcsomeBot1> settings.  None work. … I'm at a loss.
[01:16] <valorie> @Gary -- so neauvou isn't working for you?
[01:17] <valorie> if it is, what's the issue?
 I haven't tried neauvou.  I have an NVIDIA card that was working prior to updates.  I eliminated NVIDIA completely and then I have a KDE desktop.
[01:21] <valorie> yes, so now you are using neauvou
[01:21] <valorie> which is the open driver
[01:21] <valorie> the Nvidia card is still working, or you would see nothing
 Yes.. without the drivers, the same card is still working
[01:45] <Roey> hi
[01:45] <Roey> anyone here?
[01:45] <Roey> hey hey valorie!
 Valorie, I certainly don't write te code for NVIDA or KDE, but I'm certain, without a recent updat of an NVIDA driver, that there are other issues possibly in the KDE backport.
[01:55] <valorie> @gary, that's possible
[01:55] <valorie> there are so many chips and other parts of people's systems
[01:55] <valorie> that not all updates will work 100% correctly for everything
[01:56] <valorie> we always test before releasing backports or updates
[01:56] <valorie> as does the larger Ubuntu team
 So, I should wait until future updates?  It would seem that past hardware should ALWAYS be supported.  Am I incorrect?
 I have been a Linux user as an ISP since 1995.  I'm not new
[01:57] <valorie> @Gary, I'm not seeing the problem here. Your card is supported; your desktop is loading and works
[01:58] <valorie> not everyone uses the nvidia blobs
 Thank you, Valorie.  What do you reccomend?
[01:59] <valorie> I'm asking what the actual problem is
[01:59] <valorie> hey Roey, how are ya
[02:00] <Roey> facing a weird problem: I was upgrading my father's new computer from 16.04 -> 17.04 with do-release-upgrade, and it upgraded... but now it doesn't recognie the keyboard or mouse.
[02:00] <Roey> it upgraded to 16.10.
[02:00] <valorie> @gary, if you ask driver manager what you are running and it works, I don't see the problem
[02:00] <valorie> even after restarting?
 Valorie, I'm using now a laptop that was installed with the exact same versions at the same time.
[02:00] <valorie> strange
 This laptop has an NVIDIA card
[02:01] <valorie> yes, you said so
[02:01] <valorie> are you saying that your new laptop isn't working?
 I'm saying the laptop was loaded with Kubuntu 16.04 at the same time and has a newer NVIDA card.
 I certainly appreciate your help, Valorie.
[02:04] <valorie> @Gary, if you are interested
[02:04] <valorie> there is a PPA with newer drivers: https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-official-ppa-graphics/
[02:05] <valorie> I am using it on my new laptop and it's good
[02:05] <valorie> however I'm back to nouveau anyway
 I will try that on me server and let you know.
[02:05] <valorie> sorry for my horrible spelling of that by the say
[02:05] <valorie> follow the driver-manager recommendation
 You are typing quickly.... I'm just a bad speller
 Valorie, this is just a KDE GUI problem on a server.  It's not an immediate or urgent issue.
[02:07] <valorie> ok
 I thought it also to be a problem that had not been also reported
[02:08] <valorie> well, I'm no expert, and am still unclear on the nature of the problem
 I can always make it work.  Patience has always taught me that Linux problems will alway be repaired in time.
[02:09] <valorie> that is very true
 Please ask me specifically what may help clarify you unclarity
[02:54] <chcknrub> is it normal for plasmashell to use 500mb of memory?
[02:54] <chcknrub> i7-6700k
 As of one week ago, it worked well.  I could get the model# for you of the card, but I'm sure it has 500
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> chcknrub- around 125 MB here
[02:56] <chcknrub> u reboot everyday?
[02:57] <chcknrub> my startup is already 200mb
 twice per week
[02:57] <chcknrub> using kde neon
[02:57] <Dragnslcr> Uptime of about 14 days
[02:57] <Dragnslcr> What version of Kubuntu are you using?
 16.04
[02:57] <chcknrub> i tried kubuntu 16.04.. but no kde updates for months
[02:58] <chcknrub> so i switch to kde neon based on kubuntu 16.04
[02:58] <chcknrub> kde plasma version 5.9.5
 The server is up and running.  Works perfectly without NVIDA drivers
[02:59] <Dragnslcr> chcknrub- if you aren't using Kubuntu, then it's unlikely that anyone here will be able to help you
 I certay am using Kubuntu
[03:00] <chcknrub> how about everyone starts using kde neon instead
[03:00] <Dragnslcr> chcknrub- you're more likely to get help if you ask in a channel for your distribution
 I've been using Linux since 1995 as an ISP
[03:01] <chcknrub> downgrading kde version will fix it? unlikely
[03:01] <valorie> chcknrub: please stop
[03:01] <valorie> the KDE neon team are our friends
[03:02] <valorie> this channel is for and about kubuntu
 Seems like Dems v GOP
[03:02] <valorie> not at all
[03:02]  * valorie is on both teams
 We are all working together, right?
[03:03] <valorie> indeed
 Thank you, Valorie
[03:04] <chcknrub> what is the highest desktop uptime u have guys?
 I would appreciate your questions in order for me to provide you the information to assit me.
 Uptime is not the issue here.  It is simply a change of OpenGL working with NVIDIA
[03:07] <valorie> chcknrub: I've had some months uptime, but now I'm testing a lot, so... not long
[03:07] <valorie> days not weeks
[03:07] <valorie> IMO that's important for servers, not so much for desktop machines
 This server has been running Ubuntu/Kubuntu for about 3 years
 Uptime would only allow the time between reboots.  I reboot each time a linux firmware is installed.
[03:10] <Unit193> Kernel, perhaps?
 Possibly
 I've not tried to reboot with an older kernal
 Doing it now.....
 Makes no difference. … Could it be I use "backports"?
[03:16] <chcknrub> 5 - 10 yrs would be nice.... ^_^
 You have never restarted a server in 5 years?
[03:19] <chcknrub> my desktop is 24x7, i'm running this chat gui
 I run he KDE GUI BWO Kubuntu
 Your server must be better.  I personally didn't wish to be better than you.
[03:21] <chcknrub> i'm using kde 4.14.13.. uptime is 60 days until i update security patches...
 When I was an ISP, I had a Windows NT machine to run for 982 days befor a restart.
[03:23] <chcknrub> it is running on low power i7-4770T cpu (quad core)...
 Asre you trying to help me or you?
[03:26] <chcknrub> i used web browser sometimes so i need to update security patches, otherwise no need to restart.. i have to re-login to this chat again....
 I hope my warm ear to hear your accolades helps you.
 I'm still looking toward Valorie
[03:35] <valorie> still here, but working on other tasks too!
[03:35] <valorie> IMO you should use backports if you want newer versions of all your software
[03:35] <valorie> instead of just base system updates
[03:36] <valorie> I always run backports
[03:36] <valorie> but then, I don't run LTS
 That's what I'm using
[03:36] <valorie> I know, so I think you value stability over "new"
[03:37] <valorie> whereas I like new and shiny
[03:37] <valorie> I ran 17.04 pretty much as soon as the archive opened
 Valorie... I know stability of a server comes from the Linux operating system and it's core... not Kubuntu or else on top.
 The server is working perfectly
 This problem goes beyond me.  Few ever have.  You, nor I can intupret the interactions of all code delelopers.
 I'm certan that I could assist youin effort to help others.
[03:42] <valorie> cool! hang out here when you can then
[03:42] <valorie> there are lots of questions I can't answer when I'm here
 Thank you, Valorie.
[03:53] <valorie> we welcome anyone willing to help out, @Gary
 Valorie, when I started, I used BSDI, the commercial version of BSD
[03:55] <valorie> ah, I didn't know they ever had a commercial version
 They sure did and had wonderful tech support.
 I knew nothing of UNIX / Linux
[03:57] <valorie> it started pretty small, both the GNU part and the Linux kernel part both
 They would tell me to type in commands quickly
 How young are you, Valorie?
[03:58] <valorie> heh, not!
[03:58]  * valorie is a grandma
 Gary should be a grandpa too!!
 I don't mean to be personal
[04:00] <valorie> not a problem; I blog as "linuxgrandma"
 I used to write code on a Radio Shake Color Computer
[04:01] <viewer|9301> hi
 With errors
[04:01] <valorie> we should take this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:02] <valorie> Kubuntu-cafe in Telegram
 Please message me there
[04:02] <viewer|9301> is there anyway to make the titlebar disappear in firefox? help please
 Hi 9301.  May I have a name I could call you?
[04:05] <valorie> @Gary, this is a help channel, so we need to keep off-topic chat out of here and in the proper channel
 Firefox is a very flexable application that has many functions beyond the casual user.
 10-4 Valorie
[04:06] <viewer|9301> hi im manish
[04:06] <valorie> viewer|9301: right-click on the titlebar
[04:06] <valorie> more actions > no border
[04:06] <viewer|9301> i tried that. but everytime i reopen firefox its still there :/
 Manish... Valorie will help you.
[04:12] <viewer|9301> :) my laptop has a small screen that is why :/ i can hide the titlebar on chromium. but its making my computer slow
[04:12] <valorie> well, it's possible that you have some permission problems in your home directory, which is where FF settings are kept
[04:13] <valorie> perhaps that's why your changes aren't "sticking
[04:13] <valorie> "
[04:13] <valorie> !permissions
[04:13] <valorie> basically you will "chown" your home
[04:14] <valorie> and reset any files which are owned by root, back to "you"
 But he simply asked "is there anyway to make the titlebar disappear in firefox? help please"
[04:16] <viewer|9301> im sorry m new to linux .i have no idea how to reset anything :(
[04:16] <valorie> which I answered
[04:17] <valorie> viewer|9301: click the URL https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions and read about it
 You can't make the title bar go away as it is not a user option in Firefox
[04:18] <valorie> @Gary - kwin allows you to do that to all windows
 I know, Valorie.  I should not have interjected.
[04:20] <viewer|9301> thanks guys. ill just go and read then :)
[04:20] <valorie> no problem!
[04:20] <valorie> people have varying experiences and advice
[04:21] <valorie> as long as it's helpful, it's welcome
 We all have opinions.  God bless the USA!!
 I still find you great to be here.  Few are so dedicated
[05:07] <lordievader[m]> Good morning
 Great morning
 How may I help you?
[05:18] <lordievader[m]> Oh, I do not need help. I'm usually on the other side of the fence ;)
 That's great.  Hope the barbed wire doesn't hut as you jump the fence
 If you need help, someone is always her
[09:42] <yocs0000> I am trying o find a good widget to put notes on the desktop, the existing default widget is too simplistic and does not allow formatting. Any clue?
[10:25] <yocs0000> I am trying o find a good widget to put notes on the desktop, the existing default widget is too simplistic and does not allow formatting. Any clue?
[10:28] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:45] <Roey> heyo BluesKaj
[10:45] <BluesKaj> hi Roey
[12:21] <student> test
[12:22] <BluesKaj> student,  100% :-)
[13:29] <BluesKaj> !it
[13:47] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: heya, so I had Ubunntu 16.04.2 LTS on this Intel NUC 6i7KYK system; I upgraded to 16.10, but now when it boots, it no longer recognizes keyboard or mouse input! :(  Furthermore, I tried entering the GRUB boot menu by holding down Shift, but it did not work.   Tried the other Shift.  Same thing.  Tried both Shifts.  Same thing.
[13:48] <hateball> EvilRoey: can you enter BIOS?
[13:48] <EvilRoey> yes I can
[13:48] <EvilRoey> it's where I am now
[13:49] <EvilRoey> (obviously I am chatting to you from my workstation, which is unaffected)
[13:49] <hateball> EvilRoey: did it have an ssh server installed before the 16.10 upgrade?
[13:49] <hateball> so you can access it while running, at all
[13:50] <EvilRoey> it did not
[13:50] <EvilRoey> hateball: ^
[13:50] <EvilRoey> btw again, god, I love your nickname
[13:50] <hateball> Hmmm
[13:51] <hateball> Gonna be pretty hard then, you'll need to liveboot and possibly edit kernel options, question is what
[13:51] <EvilRoey> ok
[13:51] <EvilRoey> so there is one place I saw something:
[13:51] <EvilRoey> https://askubuntu.com/questions/842839/keyboard-and-mouse-only-work-in-recovery-mode-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[13:51] <EvilRoey> they advised issuing "sudo aptitude purge irqbalance"
[13:52] <hateball> EvilRoey: yeah well, if you cant access grub you cant enter recovery menu
[13:52] <EvilRoey> right
[13:52] <EvilRoey> well I ccan force the grub menu to appear
[13:52] <EvilRoey> that's one thing.
[13:53] <hateball> I'd personally do that, and go to a recovery console and do-release-upgrade to 17.04 since 16.10 is EOL in a bit anyhow
[13:53] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey,  I think hateball has a good point, don't muck about with 16.10
[13:54] <EvilRoey> oh
[13:54] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: shoudl I try installing 17.04 then?
[13:54] <hateball> EvilRoey: otherwise you can of course try those suggestions, or livebooting and chrooting... but 16.10 is still EOL soon
[13:54] <EvilRoey> ahhh I see.
[13:54] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey,  yes install 17.04
[13:54] <EvilRoey> so perhaps I shoudl have stuck with 14.whatever
[13:54] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: k
[13:55] <BluesKaj> is this nuc a an intel ?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> ok it is , just reread your post , yes 17.04 is kinder to intel graphics, as i can atestby my laptop
[13:57] <BluesKaj> Roey, ^
[13:58] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: yes it is
[13:58] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  :)
[13:58] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: as in, yes, it's an intel nuc
[13:59] <BluesKaj> so you have intel graphics, which my laptop uses, and 17.04 runs very nicely on it.
[14:04] <BluesKaj> think your nuc will probly run 17.04 better than16.10
[14:12] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: yeay!
[14:12] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: i hope,l at least!
[14:12] <EvilRoey> \what to do if the personwhove gave me the nuc had installed to one file system instead of to / and /home?
[14:13] <EvilRoey> they've installed Windows as a VirtualBox guest, and I want to keep that
[14:14] <hateball> EvilRoey: you dont need to reinstall anything
[14:14] <hateball> just do-release-upgrade from a root console (with network)
[14:14] <BluesKaj> hateball,  he can't get to a vt/tty
[14:15] <BluesKaj> no mouse no KB
[14:15] <hateball> BluesKaj: right, but there's still ways to force it
[14:15] <hateball> assuming the mouse/kb works at all with that kernel that is
[14:15] <EvilRoey> hateball: ok
[14:15] <EvilRoey> oh yeah but i need to chroot
[14:15] <hateball> then you can liveboot, edit the grub.cfg to boot single mode by default
[14:15] <EvilRoey> right?
[14:15] <hateball> nope, you cant do-release-upgrade with chroot
[14:15] <EvilRoey> how do I boot to single-mode by default again?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> think windows VM loses..Roey a clean install is your only option if you can't drop to a shell
[14:16] <EvilRoey> hateball: ok.  So what are the steps you propose for installing 17.04, aside from re-installing it from the CD
[14:16] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: ok, that's what I figured
[14:18] <hateball> EvilRoey: liveboot your system with something, then mount your partition with /boot on it
[14:18] <hateball> EvilRoey: then you manually edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[14:18] <EvilRoey> ok
[14:19] <EvilRoey> hateball: let's say I can boot to the command line (no X), what then?
[14:19] <hateball> EvilRoey: then you can "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[14:19] <hateball> which will put you on 17.04 with new kernel etc
[14:19] <hateball> EvilRoey: anyhow, edit grub.cfg and append "single" to your bootline
[14:20] <hateball> by default you will have a line with linux that ends with "quiet splash"
[14:21] <BluesKaj> if he can boot to a vt/tty
[14:21] <hateball> like "linux   /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-77-generic blahblah quiet splash"
[14:22] <EvilRoey> aye
[14:22] <EvilRoey> ok;
[14:22] <hateball> so just add single at the end there
[14:22] <EvilRoey> by the way, I am trying to make an install USB stick... how do I get the .iso onto it?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> what about nomodeset ?
[14:22] <hateball> EvilRoey: dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX
[14:23] <hateball> BluesKaj: the issue isnt graphics, he has no mouse/keyboard
[14:23] <BluesKaj> that's X server
[14:24] <hateball> it dies soon as grub loads, as I understand it. which is why he cant enter it manually
[14:24] <hateball> hence the need to liveboot and edit configs
[14:24] <hateball> but I must leave now, so good luck \o
[14:27] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey,  try nomodeset in plaqce of quiet splash if you can get to /etc/default/grub with nano in the shell , if that doesn't work try it his way
[14:30] <EvilRoey> ok
[14:30] <EvilRoey> I am re-trying..
[14:30] <EvilRoey> I'm burning the image then rebooting into it on the nuc system
[14:31] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey,  if you get to a shell, make sure you run sudo update-grub after editing in nano
[14:33] <BluesKaj> after saving and exiting nano rather
[14:34] <EvilRoey> ok
[14:34] <BluesKaj> have you used nano inthe cli before?
[14:34] <EvilRoey> I have not
[14:34] <EvilRoey> I typically use jed instead
[14:34] <EvilRoey> I find emacs keybindings very comfortable
[14:35] <BluesKaj> ok , when you're finished editing do ctl+o, enter, then ctl+x
[14:36] <N0Lif3> is it just me or is Kubuntu 17.04 a lot slower than 16.10 was?
[14:37] <N0Lif3> it's super unresponsive on my chromebook
[15:03] <jonlandrum_> hi all
[15:14] <N0Lif3> is there a way to downgrade back to 16.10?
[15:16] <BluesKaj> N0Lif3,  tell us your issue
[15:16] <N0Lif3> my laptop is super slow and unresponsive now
[15:16] <N0Lif3> ever since I upgraded to 17.04
[15:21] <BluesKaj> N0Lif3,  turn off serch in system settins for starters, then check system setttings>startup&shutdown>background services, stop and uncheck the services you think are not needed. remove unattenended-upgrades and and run updatesnad upgrades yourself in the konsole daily
[15:22] <N0Lif3> disable file search and each of the Plasma Search options?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> that's up to you
[18:24] <enkeyz_> hello guys: I switched from Ubuntu to Kubuntu some time ago, and I have a problem with Wireshark: http://oi64.tinypic.com/2r44o6w.jpg
[18:25] <enkeyz_> trouble is the selected packet/text is white
[18:25] <enkeyz_> I tried to change font settings in Wireshark, but it didn't help
[18:38] <enkeyz_> can somebody help?
[18:38] <sithlord48> @enkeyz_ have you looked in system settings ?
[18:39] <enkeyz_> yep
[18:39] <sithlord48> colors for a new color theme or perhaps application apperance for gtk settings
[18:39] <enkeyz_> tried to switch color scheme, but didn't help
[18:39] <sithlord48> wireshark is now qt iirc so maybe just he first one
[18:39] <sithlord48> i second
[18:40] <enkeyz_> sorry, what?
[18:40] <sithlord48> 1 second .. starting up wireshark
[18:40] <enkeyz_> thanks for the help
[18:40] <sithlord48> your most welcome
[18:40] <enkeyz_> I installed Arc-KDE theme using Kvantum
[18:41] <enkeyz_> that's the only thing I changed since install
[18:41] <sithlord48> did u try this with breeze color theme?
[18:41] <enkeyz_> sec
[18:41] <sithlord48> its possible your color scheme has bad selection color and/or wireshark hardcodes its highlinght
[18:42] <sithlord48> *highlight*
[18:42] <enkeyz_> it's working with breeze
[18:42] <sithlord48> then its yoru theme
[18:42] <sithlord48> try breeze dark if you perfer a darker theme
[18:43] <enkeyz_> what can I do now? I'd like to use Arc theme
[18:43] <sithlord48> let me see if i can find tha ttheme
[18:43] <sithlord48> where did u get it from Get newstuff?
[18:44] <enkeyz_> nop
[18:44] <enkeyz_> https://github.com/PapirusDevelopmentTeam/arc-kde
[18:45] <sithlord48> report the issue to them ?
[18:45] <enkeyz_> I will
[18:46] <sithlord48> you can use the arc look and feel with a different color theme and see if tha thelps
[18:46] <sithlord48> try breeze dark its similar to arc's colors
[18:48] <enkeyz_> changing color scheme not working
[18:48] <enkeyz_> only if I change theme
[18:48] <sithlord48> then its just their color scheme you can try to custmize it in systemsettings ->colors
[18:53] <enkeyz_> not works
[19:20] <sithlord48> :(
[19:20] <somekool> hey there.
[19:20] <somekool> anyone got baloo to index emails and files?
[19:20] <somekool> and attachments, I mean
[20:31] <grim_> hi hat jmd eine idee warum meine usb tastatur im login nicht funktioniert?
[20:32] <grim_> ist ne corsair mit schnickschnack
[20:32] <grim_> vor allem aber nem 2. usb anschluss für usb device path through
[20:33] <grim_> jedes mal wenn ich mich einloggen will muss ich meine alte tastatur anschließen
[20:33] <grim_> da ubuntu keine eingaben von der neuen aktzeptiert
[20:33] <grim_> jmd ne idee?
[20:33] <grim_> oh i see
[20:33] <grim_> sry
[20:34] <grim_> thought i would be in the german channel
[20:34] <grim_> does any1 know the german kubuntu channel?
[20:34] <valorie> !de | grim_
[20:34] <grim_> ty
[20:34] <valorie> bitte
[20:36] <grim_> not many people there, im going to try it here
[20:36] <grim_> i got a problem with my new keybord
[20:37] <grim_> at the loginscreen kubuntu doesnt accept any keystrokes of it
[20:37] <grim_> or if i use a sudo command
[20:37] <grim_> any1 knows that problem?
[20:38] <grim_> my old keybord works
[20:38] <grim_> so i have to plugg in my old keybord to log in every time ;_;
[20:39] <grim_> the new one got a 2nd usb connect for usb paththrough
[20:39] <grim_> maybee thats the problem
[20:40] <grim_> i tryed several options but nothing seemed to work
[20:42] <valorie> hmmm
[20:42] <valorie> grim_: #ubuntu is much larger, and I think this is not specifically a Kubuntu problem
[20:42] <valorie> to I would try there
[20:43] <grim_> hm i think its a kde problem
[20:43] <grim_> but i will give it a try
[20:44] <valorie> hmmm, well there is #kde then
[20:45] <valorie> always a bit difficult to know what the root of the problem might be
[22:43] <Fire1221> I am trying to install a iso to a flash card and its not working... Started with using dd to do it and it didnt work then I used Startup creater an that didnt work. DD but the files on the stick but it wasnt bootable. Startup Creator gets to a point around 70% then stalls