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[05:10] <Trevinho> muktupavels: this should do the trick https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/appmenu-theming-shape-fix/+merge/324517
[05:10] <Trevinho> I'm unsure if it would be better instead to keep that in the button mode tho
[05:10] <Trevinho> but I don't like it much
[05:19] <duflu> Trevinho, any thoughts on a non-black top bar?
[05:19] <duflu> I'm not sure if grey could work better
[05:19] <duflu> But it would distinguish Ubuntu better in appearance
[05:26] <Trevinho> muktupavels: this would work though https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24640862/
[05:26] <Trevinho> duflu: you mean GS bar?
[05:27] <Trevinho> duflu: yeah, well... I think I'll consider the GS theming once we know what's the best way to do this, as Jeremy was mentioning that using a gnome-shell css is discouraged, but we can't really avoid I guess
[05:44] <oSoMoN> good Wednesday duflu, Trevinho
[05:44] <Trevinho> hi oSoMoN
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[06:22] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[06:25] <duflu> Trevinho, I don't understand... are you just saying shell theming != toolkit theming and we'lll do them separately? The former obviously has no work done yet
[06:30] <Trevinho> duflu: yeah, shell theming is different from toolkit one
[06:31] <duflu> Yeah fair enough
[06:31] <Trevinho> duflu: it's still using css, but it uses different classes
[06:31] <Trevinho> it's not gtk afterall
[06:31] <duflu> Yeah
[06:31] <duflu> Which is both a feature and an inconsistency
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[07:07] <jbicha> Trevinho: it's the user-themes extension that is discouraged, we already customize the gnome-shell css to use the Ubuntu font
[07:08] <jbicha> it's weird that it's discouraged since it's included in "gnome-shell-extensions" with support in gnome-tweak-tool…
[07:38] <andyrock> goood mooorning
[08:01] <willcooke> morning all
[08:03] <Laney> what's up
[08:04] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:04] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney
[08:04] <duflu> Morning
[08:06] <didrocks> hey andyrock, willcooke, Laney, seb128, duflu
[08:07] <duflu> Salut didrocks
[08:10] <Laney> hey seb128 didrocks duflu
[08:10] <Laney> you good?
[08:10] <didrocks> yeah, first time we skipped the 10:30PM dinner for Matin!
[08:11] <didrocks> was a success, he slept from 9PM to 7:45AM :)
[08:11] <didrocks> Martin*
[08:11]  * duflu assumes Martin is a small person
[08:11] <didrocks> yeah :)
[08:11] <didrocks> and you guys? how are you?
[08:12] <duflu> Yeah good thanks Laney, didrocks.
[08:12] <Laney> toasty
[08:13] <willcooke> didrocks, \o/
[08:13]  * Laney wants a nightly 10:30 feed
[08:13] <willcooke> lol
[08:14] <didrocks> willcooke: well, first time, let's see if it was a flaky success or will be reproducible builds :)
[08:15]  * duflu suggests a different verb
[08:15] <duflu> Building takes a long time
[08:15] <seb128> didrocks, he had dinner at 9pm and 10:30pm before? or you shifted the feeding schedule completely for that?
[08:16] <seb128> in any case well done!
[08:17] <didrocks> seb128: 7:30pm/8pm, but you don't put him to sleep right away :)
[08:17] <didrocks> duflu: correct :p
[08:17] <seb128> ah, right
[08:55] <willcooke> What do you think about making gedit the default file handler for xml instead of firefox?
[08:55] <willcooke> s/you/anyone
[08:57] <didrocks> making sense, I think if people want to "view" a structured xml file with easy click on nodes and such, they can do it manually in the browser, so edit as default handler makes sense to me
[08:58] <willcooke> I find that 9 times out of 10 Firefox just complains that the XML file isn't valid and so I don't see anything at all
[08:58] <willcooke> whereas with gedit at least I can view the content
[08:59] <didrocks> you don't pick the correct XML files, that's why :p but yeah, it's another valid argument for this change :)
[08:59] <oSoMoN> but gedit won’t apply XSL stylesheets with which an XML document might be rendered as HTML
[08:59] <oSoMoN> (not a use case I really care about though)
[09:00] <didrocks> last time I personnaly had to use XSL stylesheets (that I was creating, a long headache and sad story) for XML is in 2003 personally
[09:01] <willcooke> my usecases are probably not the same as most actual developers, but I find that Firefox fails to display anything the vast majority of the time, so not applying XSL in gedit is probably preferable than getting just an error message in Firefox
[09:02] <oSoMoN> yeah
[09:05] <oSoMoN> people working a lot with XML files probably use a separate viewer/IDE anyway
[09:05] <didrocks> yeah, most of IDEs have viewer or extensions for this
[09:05] <didrocks> like vsc
[09:10] <seb128> I don't think I ever open xml files so no real opinion on that
[09:11] <didrocks> even not a .glade file? :)
[09:12] <seb128> those have their own mimetype and open in glade :p
[09:13] <didrocks> true :)
[09:26] <xnox> Trevinho, i have had requests for light-themes to be made available in Debian
[09:27] <Trevinho> jbicha: oh, I see... Well, what's the solution tho? As I guess we want to tune the shell
[09:27] <Trevinho> Hi Europe, btw :)
[09:27] <Trevinho> xnox: oh, cool...
[09:27] <muktupavels> Trevinho: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24642283/
[09:28] <muktupavels> can I push that?
[09:28] <Trevinho> That package includes now also some unity8 stuff that we might delete tho...
[09:28] <Trevinho> While I'd love to do some SURUization of a gtk theme too when i've time... what do you think willcooke ?
[09:30] <willcooke> Trevinho, put it on the back log :)
[09:31] <andyrock> anyone experienced with libsoup
[09:31] <andyrock> with the python binding
[09:31] <andyrock> ?
[09:33] <Trevinho> andyrock: I did just few calls with that, so I won't call me an expert
[09:33] <andyrock> I'm having troubles with Soup.message.set_request
[09:34] <andyrock> the last parameters is expecting a list of numbers (so I guess a buffer of char)
[09:34] <andyrock> but body.encode('utf8') does not work
[09:35] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[09:36] <Trevinho> that's a string...
[09:36] <Trevinho> hi seb128
[09:36] <muktupavels> Trevinho: can I push that patch?
[09:36] <andyrock> ideally the python binding should just get a string :D
[09:37] <andyrock> i guess I can use a python native library
[09:37] <andyrock> but then I lose the glib main-loop integration
[09:37] <Trevinho> muktupavels: sorry, I forgot to reply :)
[09:38] <Trevinho> muktupavels: yes, ok
[09:38] <Trevinho> andyrock: did you see https://lazka.github.io/pgi-docs/#Soup-2.4/classes/Message.html#Soup.Message.set_request ?
[09:38] <Trevinho> andyrock: in python3 you've to use bytes...
[09:39] <muktupavels> Trevinho: ok, pushed. Do you plan to make 3.24.0 release?
[09:39] <muktupavels> Trevinho: and did you try to add hover effect for appmenu?
[09:40] <andyrock> str.enconde('...')
[09:40] <Trevinho> Mh, yeah... I will
[09:40] <andyrock> returns bytes
[09:40] <andyrock> i'll check with wireshark
[09:40] <andyrock> maybe the problems is somewhere else
[09:40] <Trevinho> muktupavels: which one you'd suggest? But I wouldn't touch hover...
[09:41] <Trevinho> muktupavels: ideally I would apply a "shine" to the icon, but that's a little annying to do here..
[09:41] <Trevinho> Well not too hard, but I didn't try
[09:41] <Laney> andyrock: SoupLogger is useful
[09:41] <muktupavels> Trevinho: no idea, but it feels that there must be something... Anyway, thanks for fix.
[09:41] <andyrock> Laney: cool thanks
[09:41] <andyrock> :D
[09:42] <Trevinho> muktupavels: feel free to experiment and write in review, I'd prefer not to spend too much in that :)
[09:43] <muktupavels> Trevinho: I have no time to experiment. :(
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[11:38] <Laney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QW85kfakJc <- this is our song for folk club tonight
[11:38] <Laney> /o\
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[12:07] <jbicha> Trevinho: I don't know how we'll package it yet, but don't let that stop you from working on gnome-shell theming if you want
[12:08] <jbicha> Trevinho: you can ask fmuellner how he recommends handling that
[12:37] <willcooke> right, going to attempt to work outside... let's see how long I last
[12:38] <didrocks> willcooke: enjoy!
[13:44] <Laney> ~/.
[13:44] <Laney> #.
[14:04] <Laney> oh some of that did make it through
[14:04] <Laney> the library's wifi is so crap this afternoon that I paid for tethering on my mobile
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[14:31] <oSoMoN> Laney, my daughter used to love that song, her first contact with English :)
[14:31] <Laney> oSoMoN: \o/
[14:31] <Laney> it's got some weird words in there
[14:32] <oSoMoN> wallow?
[14:33] <Laney> inamorata or something
[14:34] <oSoMoN> ah that one escaped me, let me listen to it again :)
[14:35]  * Laney printed the words out :P
[14:35] <Laney> looks like it's italian (or derived from an italian word)
[14:36] <oSoMoN> Trevinho and andyrock to the rescue!
[14:36] <andyrock> innamorata maybe
[14:37] <oSoMoN> looks similar to spanish’s "enamorada" == in love
[14:37] <andyrock> yeah same mining
[14:37] <Laney> yeah
[14:37]  * Laney snuggles andyrock
[14:37] <Laney> mia innamorata
[14:38] <andyrock> e.g. Trevinho is "un eterno innamorato"
[14:38] <andyrock> :D
[14:39] <Trevinho> For ever...
[14:40] <Trevinho> And of everything
[15:23] <Laney> g r e a t
[15:27] <didrocks>  + 1 + 1
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[18:45] <willcooke> night all.  reminder that I'm out tomorrow morning, be back after lunch
[18:45] <willcooke> o/
[19:20] <oSoMoN> good night all