[02:19] <dzho> rick_h: a pacifica hybrid?!
[02:20] <dzho> that's a rare beast from what I can gather
[02:20] <rick_h> dzho: yea, wife had to wait a few months for it
[02:20] <rick_h> was delayed a bit
[02:20] <dzho> so, not to sound like I'm starting a survey, but how is that working out?
[02:20] <rick_h> was supposed to be in at the start of march, ended up end of april
[02:20]  * dzho has a TDI we're in the process of getting rid of
[02:20] <rick_h> dzho: really nice. she loves it. Big vehicle that drives like a small one.
[02:20] <dzho> I got a Honda Fit to tide me over.
[02:21] <rick_h> dzho: and the plugin bit works well. charge it each night, 2 hrs by the book
[02:21] <dzho> but I'd once said that if they made a hybrid minivan I'd get one (more or less)
[02:21] <rick_h> dzho: and getting 30ish miles a day on that end
[02:21] <rick_h> dzho: yea, talk about the most practical of practical vehicles
[02:21] <dzho> our commutes are <20 miles round trip
[02:21] <rick_h> dzho: and with us having the little one we're not likely to miss folding down the middle seats any time
[02:21] <dzho> heh
[02:21] <dzho> ours is a teenager soon
[02:21] <rick_h> dzho: yea, and it's peppy-enough and such
[02:21] <dzho> :( :)
[02:22] <rick_h> hah
[02:22] <dzho> I feel like we're a half-generation out of step
[02:22] <rick_h> basically think it's averaging out around 40mpg, filled the tank up for the second time (first one taking it home) after 3.5ish weeks
[02:22] <dzho> we needed full day kindergarten
[02:22] <rick_h> hah
[02:22] <rick_h> yea, we did that
[02:22] <dzho> the two best school districts in our area have just started talking about full day K
[02:23] <rick_h> ah, yea that would have been nuts to only have 1/2 days
[02:23] <rick_h> when he's got 1/2 days of school (this friday) it's batty
[02:23] <dzho> we had to switch daycare because buses would only deliver to daycare in district
[02:23] <dzho> and we were going to a more diverse place over the district line
[02:24] <dzho> otherwise it would have been a double commute, yeah.
[02:24] <dzho> wow 40mpg in a *minivan* that's nuts
[02:24] <dzho> the Fit is moderately thrifty but it has a dinky fuel tank too
[02:24] <rick_h> yea, the only "bummer" is that they crapped out the nice things on there
[02:25] <dzho> after the diesel I'm feeling like "hey what do you mean I'm already at half a tank"?
[02:25] <rick_h> so the top of the line hybrid doesn't get some of the things on the top of the line non-hybrid, can't even pay for them
[02:25] <dzho> huh
[02:25]  * dzho is more bare bones anyway
[02:25] <rick_h> like power side mirrors, sunroof
[02:25] <dzho> power mirrors are nice
[02:25] <dzho> sunroof meh, we've had them and not
[02:25] <rick_h> well, we park in the garage so I get cranky every time I have to get out to push in the passenger side mirror
[02:25] <dzho> d'oh
[02:25] <rick_h> per user memory seating is the other thing I wanted
[02:26] <dzho> man, I tell you, the things they make "options" on some cars drive me nuts.
[02:26] <rick_h> my truck has it and nice so that it's one button to switch drivers
[02:26] <rick_h> makes it a LOT easier to share a vehicle
[02:26] <dzho> I'd just rather get mechanical seats, not electric adjust.
[02:26] <rick_h> and part of the van is I drive my truck around less (well rules of getting the van)
[02:26] <dzho> we have electric adjust on our other vehicle but no memory.
[02:26] <dzho> it is so freaking slow.
[02:26] <rick_h> right, but with 8 way electric adjust if you are different you have to flip 500 things to get right
[02:27] <rick_h> so I just promise to only move it forward/backward and leave the rest and oh well
[02:27] <dzho> it's not a moon shot
[02:27] <rick_h> lol
[02:27] <rick_h> it's enough to get me into cranky old man mode
[02:27] <dzho> haha
[02:27] <rick_h> "take my money dammit!"
[02:27] <rick_h> but the after the delays got over with my wife's forgiven them and loves it
[02:27] <dzho> what annoys me is when they made the "you left your key in" or the "you left your lights on" warning beeps optional
[02:28] <dzho> I'm like, really? You want someone to pay extra for *that*?
[02:28] <rick_h> hah
[02:28] <dzho> real innovative, there.
[02:28] <dzho> well, I'm glad it's working out for you, I hope others follow suit.
[02:28] <dzho> short haul high torque things like that just seem like such a natural.
[02:29] <rick_h> yea, my wife laughs she gets to be hybrid snooty now, makes up for her diesel snooty earlier :)
[02:29] <rick_h> yea, just have to see if the tech keeps up over time at all
[02:29] <dzho> hypermiling the minivan
[02:29] <rick_h> how the batteries will hold up in the winter, but looks like it's something like $2-3 of electicity to fill up for 30 miles
[02:30] <rick_h> I will say, if you go that route dte has a special pricing plan for plugin vehicles
[02:30] <rick_h> but the charger has to be on it's own with its own meter
[02:30] <rick_h> which I didn't know before I had my stuff installed
[02:30]  * dzho is in NY
[02:30] <dzho> but thanks anyway :-)
[02:30] <rick_h> so now it's a question of how much more it'd cost me to redo the charger vs the electical savings
[02:31] <rick_h> hah, ok, well lessons stands about chatting with the electrical authorities up front
[02:31]  * rick_h got bit by the JFDI principle
[02:31] <dzho> library/townhall at the end of our street has a charging station, which is kind of cool
[02:32] <dzho> the other huge thing is that state legislature finally approved car "sharing" services for upstate (eg, for non NYC, where there was already a deal)
[02:32] <dzho> so I think our transport situation is going to start getting more interesting
[02:32] <rick_h> interesting
[02:32] <rick_h> I checked out the plugshare app which is cool
[02:32] <dzho> car free and single-vehicle households might end up to be more of a thing
[02:33] <rick_h> but honestly not that often we go somewhere to charge vs just each night at home
[02:33] <rick_h> yea, nice idea. would be cool
[02:33] <dzho> my long distance benchmark is the 90 mile one way to sisters-in-law
[02:34] <dzho> if real-world range on electrics gets to that I might be in, at least on the 2nd car (no car seats any more so our minivan days might be done)
[02:35] <rick_h> yea, honestly the mini-van was because my wife hates driving large vehicles
[02:35] <dzho> OTOH hybrid minivan plus electric car would make it very snooty
[02:35] <rick_h> but we do skiing, camping, soccer, fishing, etc
[02:35] <dzho> oh right
[02:35] <rick_h> so it drives like her taurus, but has enough room inside for all the stuff
[02:35] <rick_h> plus the dogs
[02:35] <rick_h> I asked her to look into them after she kept getting smaller and smaller SUVs
[02:36] <dzho> my brother and SIL have an aversion to minivans which I don't understand so they have some big SUV that really doesn't have that much room
[02:36] <rick_h> well, not getting but test driving
[02:36]  * dzho likes a minivan
[02:36] <rick_h> yea, it's a ton more comfy than an escape, or the like
[02:36] <rick_h> and the pacifica doesn't look like crap imo
[02:36] <dzho> yeah
[02:36] <dzho> but for some people it's just the idea
[02:36] <rick_h> but then again I get in my 2500 and start up the diesel so I have balance in life :)
[02:36] <dzho> and I'm like, you have 2 dogs and 2 kids, get over it already.
[02:36] <rick_h> lol
[02:37] <dzho> haha
[02:37] <dzho> no emissions cheating on that, yet, eh?
[02:37] <rick_h> no emissions requirement :) https://goo.gl/photos/RgxDwhtcBSvezYYV8
[02:40] <dzho> just don't show me anything that has you rolling coal, ok?
[02:40] <dzho> just sayin'
[02:40] <rick_h> hah no, I'm stock
[02:40] <rick_h> no desire to blow black smoke. I like to take that setup into the woods too much
[02:41] <rick_h> hauling of the toys https://goo.gl/photos/LZLNX6hr9Qf8QDZdA
[02:41] <rick_h> and hiding in the VA mountains https://goo.gl/photos/9jNFHGADLmNGx7ff8
[02:42] <rick_h> hah and south dakota https://goo.gl/photos/uuwkVE6SN9cu8Gk48 good trip that one
[02:43] <rick_h> anyone, time to move laundry check ya later dzho
[02:44] <dzho> see ya!
[11:35] <notlikethesoup> morning
[11:37] <rick_h> Ugh does it have to be?
[11:39] <notlikethesoup> if you sleep for another 5 hours, no
[11:40] <rick_h> I'm liking this plan of yours
[11:40] <rick_h> But meetings in an hour...boooo
[11:41] <cmaloney> morning