[02:19] rick_h: a pacifica hybrid?! [02:20] that's a rare beast from what I can gather [02:20] dzho: yea, wife had to wait a few months for it [02:20] was delayed a bit [02:20] so, not to sound like I'm starting a survey, but how is that working out? [02:20] was supposed to be in at the start of march, ended up end of april [02:20] * dzho has a TDI we're in the process of getting rid of [02:20] dzho: really nice. she loves it. Big vehicle that drives like a small one. [02:20] I got a Honda Fit to tide me over. [02:21] dzho: and the plugin bit works well. charge it each night, 2 hrs by the book [02:21] but I'd once said that if they made a hybrid minivan I'd get one (more or less) [02:21] dzho: and getting 30ish miles a day on that end [02:21] dzho: yea, talk about the most practical of practical vehicles [02:21] our commutes are <20 miles round trip [02:21] dzho: and with us having the little one we're not likely to miss folding down the middle seats any time [02:21] heh [02:21] ours is a teenager soon [02:21] dzho: yea, and it's peppy-enough and such [02:21] :( :) [02:22] hah [02:22] I feel like we're a half-generation out of step [02:22] basically think it's averaging out around 40mpg, filled the tank up for the second time (first one taking it home) after 3.5ish weeks [02:22] we needed full day kindergarten [02:22] hah [02:22] yea, we did that [02:22] the two best school districts in our area have just started talking about full day K [02:23] ah, yea that would have been nuts to only have 1/2 days [02:23] when he's got 1/2 days of school (this friday) it's batty [02:23] we had to switch daycare because buses would only deliver to daycare in district [02:23] and we were going to a more diverse place over the district line [02:24] otherwise it would have been a double commute, yeah. [02:24] wow 40mpg in a *minivan* that's nuts [02:24] the Fit is moderately thrifty but it has a dinky fuel tank too [02:24] yea, the only "bummer" is that they crapped out the nice things on there [02:25] after the diesel I'm feeling like "hey what do you mean I'm already at half a tank"? [02:25] so the top of the line hybrid doesn't get some of the things on the top of the line non-hybrid, can't even pay for them [02:25] huh [02:25] * dzho is more bare bones anyway [02:25] like power side mirrors, sunroof [02:25] power mirrors are nice [02:25] sunroof meh, we've had them and not [02:25] well, we park in the garage so I get cranky every time I have to get out to push in the passenger side mirror [02:25] d'oh [02:25] per user memory seating is the other thing I wanted [02:26] man, I tell you, the things they make "options" on some cars drive me nuts. [02:26] my truck has it and nice so that it's one button to switch drivers [02:26] makes it a LOT easier to share a vehicle [02:26] I'd just rather get mechanical seats, not electric adjust. [02:26] and part of the van is I drive my truck around less (well rules of getting the van) [02:26] we have electric adjust on our other vehicle but no memory. [02:26] it is so freaking slow. [02:26] right, but with 8 way electric adjust if you are different you have to flip 500 things to get right [02:27] so I just promise to only move it forward/backward and leave the rest and oh well [02:27] it's not a moon shot [02:27] lol [02:27] it's enough to get me into cranky old man mode [02:27] haha [02:27] "take my money dammit!" [02:27] but the after the delays got over with my wife's forgiven them and loves it [02:27] what annoys me is when they made the "you left your key in" or the "you left your lights on" warning beeps optional [02:28] I'm like, really? You want someone to pay extra for *that*? [02:28] hah [02:28] real innovative, there. [02:28] well, I'm glad it's working out for you, I hope others follow suit. [02:28] short haul high torque things like that just seem like such a natural. [02:29] yea, my wife laughs she gets to be hybrid snooty now, makes up for her diesel snooty earlier :) [02:29] yea, just have to see if the tech keeps up over time at all [02:29] hypermiling the minivan [02:29] how the batteries will hold up in the winter, but looks like it's something like $2-3 of electicity to fill up for 30 miles [02:30] I will say, if you go that route dte has a special pricing plan for plugin vehicles [02:30] but the charger has to be on it's own with its own meter [02:30] which I didn't know before I had my stuff installed [02:30] * dzho is in NY [02:30] but thanks anyway :-) [02:30] so now it's a question of how much more it'd cost me to redo the charger vs the electical savings [02:31] hah, ok, well lessons stands about chatting with the electrical authorities up front [02:31] * rick_h got bit by the JFDI principle [02:31] library/townhall at the end of our street has a charging station, which is kind of cool [02:32] the other huge thing is that state legislature finally approved car "sharing" services for upstate (eg, for non NYC, where there was already a deal) [02:32] so I think our transport situation is going to start getting more interesting [02:32] interesting [02:32] I checked out the plugshare app which is cool [02:32] car free and single-vehicle households might end up to be more of a thing [02:33] but honestly not that often we go somewhere to charge vs just each night at home [02:33] yea, nice idea. would be cool [02:33] my long distance benchmark is the 90 mile one way to sisters-in-law [02:34] if real-world range on electrics gets to that I might be in, at least on the 2nd car (no car seats any more so our minivan days might be done) [02:35] yea, honestly the mini-van was because my wife hates driving large vehicles [02:35] OTOH hybrid minivan plus electric car would make it very snooty [02:35] but we do skiing, camping, soccer, fishing, etc [02:35] oh right [02:35] so it drives like her taurus, but has enough room inside for all the stuff [02:35] plus the dogs [02:35] I asked her to look into them after she kept getting smaller and smaller SUVs [02:36] my brother and SIL have an aversion to minivans which I don't understand so they have some big SUV that really doesn't have that much room [02:36] well, not getting but test driving [02:36] * dzho likes a minivan [02:36] yea, it's a ton more comfy than an escape, or the like [02:36] and the pacifica doesn't look like crap imo [02:36] yeah [02:36] but for some people it's just the idea [02:36] but then again I get in my 2500 and start up the diesel so I have balance in life :) [02:36] and I'm like, you have 2 dogs and 2 kids, get over it already. [02:36] lol [02:37] haha [02:37] no emissions cheating on that, yet, eh? [02:37] no emissions requirement :) https://goo.gl/photos/RgxDwhtcBSvezYYV8 [02:40] just don't show me anything that has you rolling coal, ok? [02:40] just sayin' [02:40] hah no, I'm stock [02:40] no desire to blow black smoke. I like to take that setup into the woods too much [02:41] hauling of the toys https://goo.gl/photos/LZLNX6hr9Qf8QDZdA [02:41] and hiding in the VA mountains https://goo.gl/photos/9jNFHGADLmNGx7ff8 [02:42] hah and south dakota https://goo.gl/photos/uuwkVE6SN9cu8Gk48 good trip that one [02:43] anyone, time to move laundry check ya later dzho [02:44] see ya! [11:35] morning [11:37] Ugh does it have to be? [11:39] if you sleep for another 5 hours, no [11:40] I'm liking this plan of yours [11:40] But meetings in an hour...boooo [11:41] morning