[15:08] <xnox> Introoter, AnrDaemon hey =) it does work, it is stable, but it's no longer developed and is phased out.
[15:08] <xnox> if you work on products that use upstart, i urge you to move to something else.
[15:09] <AnrDaemon> xnox: I don't know another init that doesn't try to make a fool of me, short of SysV.
[15:10] <xnox> bug eventually will crop up, with newer kernels, newer udev, newer initramfs. Thus upgrading will become difficult if one keeps upstart as init.
[15:10] <xnox> patches and bugs are still welcome, if you notice anything strange.
[15:11] <xnox> if one doesn't upgrade, everything should be fine.
[15:13] <Introoter> AnrDaemon: OpenRC/runit are decent.
[15:13] <AnrDaemon> I will probably have to live with systemd :/
[15:14] <Introoter> what do you think is wrong with systemd though?
[15:14] <AnrDaemon> Gotta touch it this summer and see how really bad it is, but so far, my impression is "below the acceptance floor".
[15:15] <Introoter> and what are *your* acceptance standards?
[15:15] <AnrDaemon> It is annoying on user level.
[15:15] <AnrDaemon> My aceptance floor is "shut up and do your job".
[15:15] <Introoter> well, it does?
[15:15] <AnrDaemon> And it just can't shut up…
[15:16] <Introoter> you dont have to live with it, if you dont feel it is right, there are seriously alternatives that work fine and are being maintained.
[15:16] <AnrDaemon> I have to live with distribution I'm bound to :/
[15:16] <AnrDaemon> Changin it is a separate pain.
[15:16] <Introoter> slackware (bsd style init), crux (again, bsd style init), Gentoo (OpenRC), Manjaro OpenRc, voidlinux (runit)
[15:18] <Introoter> though keep in mind, when you do compare systemd to other init systems, you're doing it wrong and you'll end up frustrated with things it has to offer. perhaps systemd vs busybox is a better comparison, think about it.
[15:19] <AnrDaemon> I know that systemd is not just an init daemon.
[15:19] <AnrDaemon> That's the part of the problem.
[15:19] <Introoter> also, systemd allows you to build only the necessary components it needs to function properly (those can be kept out too given you dont mind losing stuff) by configure switches
[15:19] <Introoter> most distros just push the complete build down their users' throats
[23:08] <Alumin> Is there an equivalent to SysV init's "kbrequest" in Upstart 1.5 (the version that comes with Ubuntu 12.04)?
[23:09] <Alumin> the goal is I want someone to be able to hit a key combination (traditionally Alt-UpArrow, but the specific combo isn't that important) and have a command execute
[23:10] <Alumin> so, without logging in, etc.