[00:13] <anastasiamac> thumper: axw: application name bug 1693588
[00:13] <mup> Bug #1693588: Application name requires alphanumeric character after a hyphen <sts> <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1693588>
[00:28] <wallyworld> axw: if you did want to discuss the uuid / folder length issue, let me know. my personal preference is to preserve model names, truncate the uuid a bit, and modify the filtering to transform the uuid filter terms before matching
[00:28] <wallyworld> we still store the full uuid as tags IIANM
[00:28] <wallyworld> but those tags aren't user visible
[00:28] <wallyworld> so it's just the folder names
[00:29] <wallyworld> and uuids mean far less to the user than midel names
[00:36] <axw> wallyworld: doing that will make the provider more complicated for negligible gain, since this only happens with really long model names. can talk more when I'm back from school
[00:36] <wallyworld> ok
[00:44] <babbageclunk> Does anyone know why we say this in the docs? https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.0/authors-subordinate-services#caveats
[00:46] <babbageclunk> It's true that you can't remove a subordinate unit directly, but I'd have thought that's because we don't have any way to say in the model "this principal unit shouldn't have an associated subordinate".
[00:47] <babbageclunk> Is there also some problem with stop hooks?
[01:04] <axw> wallyworld: back, do you want to chat in 1:1?
[01:04] <wallyworld> axw: ok
[01:22] <thumper> babbageclunk: I think the docs are to work around the bug you jsut fixed
[01:47] <babbageclunk> thumper: weird. What's the process to get the docs fixed? Just make a PR on the docs repo?
[01:47] <thumper> yep
[02:15] <thumper> wallyworld: OMFG that thing that isn't set by default, is only ever set to one value and never changed
[02:15] <thumper> FFS
[02:15] <wallyworld> fark
[02:15] <wallyworld> kill it with fire
[02:16] <thumper> I have a horrible feeling that doing what I'm about to do will create an import loop
[02:16] <thumper> may be more drastic
[02:16]  * thumper fetches flamethrower
[02:27]  * thumper dons fireproof gear
[02:48] <thumper> FFS, almost ready to back away from this clusterfuck
[02:52]  * thumper rants and raves
[03:09]  * thumper burns some more code
[03:46]  * thumper has finished burning source files, now to the tests
[06:17] <axw> wpk: thanks for the review
[06:25] <anastasiamac> wpk: our friday standup conflicts with my school pickup. could we move it forward by an hr? jam fyi
[14:04] <rogpeppe> in case anyone is around for a review, here's some refactoring of the API connection logic: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7407
[15:55] <redir> There was a fire on the next blick here yesterday.
[15:56]  * redir blames thumper