| TheMuso | robert_ancell: So, myself and other users are hitting bug 1670933 on other distros as they update lightdm. Do you still think this is best fixed in greeters? | 00:27 |
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| ubot5 | bug 1670933 in Light Display Manager "Accessibility partly broken due to X root window being kept from login session." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1670933 | 00:27 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, the X server doesn't get reset, which is how the transition avoids a flash between the greeter and session | 01:26 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, is it possible to clean up the at-spi code in the greeter so it's not there for the session? | 01:27 |
| robert_ancell | Or is it possible for the session to detect the AT_SPI_BUS property is no longer applicable and ignore it? | 01:27 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: Afaik its an abstract socket. Can you even check if those exist? | 01:28 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, you could fail to connect | 01:29 |
| TheMuso | If you can, then thats possibly the way to go, which means only making the change in one place, at-spi. | 01:29 |
| TheMuso | Well its failing to connect in some circumstances already. | 01:29 |
| TheMuso | I might have a chat with the at-spi maintainer, see what he suggests. | 01:29 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, I'll update the bug with these suggestions. But yeah, it's the usual yuck of using X, no matter which way you do it there's always something that doesn't work well... | 01:30 |
| TheMuso | Yep fair enough. I think I'll file a bug upstream actually, adn link this bug, and discuss there. Thanks. | 01:31 |
| TheMuso | Upstrea as in at-spi upstream. | 01:31 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, the greeter X clients *should* be closed from the X server, but I think properties remain even once clients are gone. | 01:32 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 01:32 |
| jbicha | TheMuso: what desktop do you use? | 01:33 |
| TheMuso | jbicha: MATE. | 01:33 |
| TheMuso | There are many things I like about GNOME, and even GNOME shell, but as it stands, even on fast hardware, with a11y enabled, GNOME shell si not very responsive atm. | 01:34 |
| TheMuso | is* | 01:34 |
| TheMuso | As in, it takes longer than it should from pressing a key for a menu on the top bar to be rendered and orca speak the first focused item etc. | 01:35 |
| jbicha | I was surprised that it looks like it's difficult to launch apps in Unity if you need Orca | 01:36 |
| TheMuso | Well last I checked, that was quite usable. | 01:37 |
| TheMuso | I use MATE now mostly because I am on another distro. | 01:37 |
| TheMuso | But even if unity were available, I am not sure I'd still use it. | 01:37 |
| jbicha | TheMuso: oh I saw https://bugzilla.gnome.org/740628 and it looked like orca was silent in Unity's Dash or Alt-F2 but I didn't try it for very long | 01:38 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 740628 in general "Unity Dash Doesn't Speak results" [Normal,New] | 01:38 |
| jbicha | which distro? | 01:39 |
| TheMuso | Fedora | 01:40 |
| TheMuso | jbicha: I did a lot of work around that time and later on in fact to improve dash accessibility. | 01:41 |
| TheMuso | In unity. | 01:41 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: What version of lightdm introduced the change where the X server wasn't shut down and restarted? I know it was after 1.18... | 01:46 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, it was unity-greeter 0.0.2, which means basically forever | 01:47 |
| TheMuso | Oh the greeter is responsible for that? | 01:48 |
| TheMuso | I thought lightdm handled the X server. | 01:48 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, LightDM just starts the X server and points the greeter/session at it | 01:51 |
| TheMuso | Oh ok. | 01:51 |
| oSoMoN | good morning Europe, good afternoon Asia/Australia | 06:07 |
| duflu | oSoMoN: Australia says hi | 06:31 |
| duflu | We usually send in Lee Lin Chin for that | 06:42 |
| jamesh | It's too bad that Lee Lin Chin sitcom never made it past that pilot | 07:32 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:50 |
| jamesh | hi seb128 | 07:50 |
| duflu | Morning seb128 | 07:51 |
| willcooke | morning all | 08:00 |
| Laney | HI | 08:03 |
| willcooke | howdy Laney. Crop news today? | 08:03 |
| Laney | hey willcooke | 08:04 |
| Laney | not been up today | 08:04 |
| Laney | might get some news from our own correspondent later | 08:04 |
| Laney | I did prick out some cosmos last night tho | 08:05 |
| willcooke | :) | 08:05 |
| willcooke | I sprayed glyphosate on stinging nettles | 08:05 |
| willcooke | sp? | 08:05 |
| willcooke | lazy gardening | 08:05 |
| Laney | /o\ | 08:05 |
| seb128 | hey jamesh duflu willcooke Laney | 08:06 |
| seb128 | happy friday! | 08:06 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning | 08:07 |
| duflu | seb128, thanks for reminding me. | 08:07 |
| * duflu goes to find some sugar to celebrate | 08:07 | |
| Laney | hey seb128 | 08:07 |
| Laney | you good? | 08:08 |
| acheronUK | does 'apt-file update' download the contents for people in artful 3.1.4 version? | 08:12 |
| acheronUK | oh, wrong chan | 08:12 |
| seb128 | Laney, yeah, getting ready for some warm days, 27°C today, 31°C tomorrow | 08:16 |
| seb128 | you? | 08:16 |
| Laney | nice | 08:16 |
| Laney | going to the beach? | 08:16 |
| Laney | we're off camping tonight | 08:16 |
| Laney | although there's supposed to be a storm tomorrow /o\ | 08:17 |
| seb128 | probably not, it's getting very busy so it takes a while to go there | 08:18 |
| seb128 | and it might be too warm for the little one | 08:18 |
| seb128 | rather going to look for a park where it's a bit fresher | 08:18 |
| Laney | makes sense | 08:18 |
| flexiondotorg | Morning desktopers | 08:34 |
| duflu | Hi flexiondotorg | 08:34 |
| oSoMoN | hey flexiondotorg | 08:35 |
| seb128 | hey flexiondotorg | 08:35 |
| willcooke | hey flexiondotorg | 08:36 |
| flexiondotorg | lol | 08:36 |
| Trevinho | hey seb128, willcooke, flexiondotorg, Laney, jamesh, chrisccoulson and duflu | 08:38 |
| seb128 | hey Trevinho :-) | 08:38 |
| seb128 | how was the pool party ? | 08:38 |
| duflu | s/the pool party/any night of the week/ | 08:39 |
| Trevinho | Very nice.... Well... We had to sub-organize a party there tho... As the organizers weren't the most friendly people on earth... | 08:39 |
| Laney | HEY FLEXIONDOTORG | 08:42 |
| Laney | hi Trevinho! | 08:42 |
| Laney | did you get drunk AGAIN? | 08:42 |
| flexiondotorg | Laney speak up please | 08:43 |
| Trevinho | Laney: no... I've nrever been drunk, what are you sayin!?!? | 08:46 |
| * Trevinho is pretty sure that the typos above caused the "here we go..." Laney's reaction :-D | 08:50 | |
| Laney | I went to get you some water and find a place for you to lie down | 08:53 |
| andyrock | mooorning | 09:03 |
| Trevinho | hi andyrock | 09:05 |
| Trevinho | the coworking is now hosting an editor from Vogue.... I never thought I could work from a place were there was fashion events :o | 09:11 |
| Trevinho | Have a nice weekend everyone... Dinner time! | 12:04 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, enjoy & have fun | 12:10 |
| Trevinho | Yeah, it will be for real my last one in Bali... And going to an island close by, it should be cool. | 12:10 |
| oSoMoN | Trevinho, enjoy! | 12:13 |
| Trevinho | thanks | 12:13 |
| willcooke | night Trevinho | 12:19 |
| Laney | k, night | 12:33 |
| Laney | happy weekend | 12:33 |
| Laney | back tuesday! | 12:33 |
| seb128 | enjoy Laney! | 12:34 |
| willcooke | see ya Laney, enjoy the sun | 12:43 |
| andyrock | any python library to mock a REST api that is already in main (xenial) ? | 12:46 |
| andyrock | or do I need that the library is in main? | 12:46 |
| andyrock | seb128: Laney ^^^ | 12:46 |
| andyrock | as it's just for testing | 12:47 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, have you had a chance to take a look at my libreoffice 5.3.3 source package? | 13:20 |
| abeato | infinity, ping | 13:24 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, I was sort of waiting to see if Bjoern of Rico would comment and yesterday was a vac day here | 13:28 |
| seb128 | if they don't comment I'mgoing to have a look a bit later or on monday | 13:29 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, ack, thanks! no urgency, it can wait until next week | 13:29 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, thanks | 13:32 |
| seb128 | andyrock, sorry I don't know much about python libraries, maybe #ubuntu-devel (doko?) know better | 13:32 |
| willcooke | andyrock, I did a few searches but nothing was obvious. Guess you already did that though | 13:33 |
| jbicha | tkamppeter: nice job upstreaming all those s-c-p patches :) | 14:06 |
| kenvandine | jbicha, i guess we could use a session migration script to deal with default extensions | 14:06 |
| jbicha | kenvandine: yes, that's basically what fmuellner is telling us to do :| | 14:07 |
| jbicha | for context, I reported https://bugzilla.gnome.org/783103 and 783104 | 14:09 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 783103 in extensions "gnome-shell's enabled-extensions gsettings list is difficult for distros" [Normal,Resolved: wontfix] | 14:09 |
| willcooke | right, poets day. The sun is out. I'm off until Wednesday. Have a great weekend y'all | 14:55 |
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