[00:27] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: So, myself and other users are hitting bug 1670933 on other distros as they update lightdm. Do you still think this is best fixed in greeters?
[00:27] <ubot5> bug 1670933 in Light Display Manager "Accessibility partly broken due to X root window being kept from login session." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1670933
[01:26] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, the X server doesn't get reset, which is how the transition avoids a flash between the greeter and session
[01:27] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, is it possible to clean up the at-spi code in the greeter so it's not there for the session?
[01:27] <robert_ancell> Or is it possible for the session to detect the AT_SPI_BUS property is no longer applicable and ignore it?
[01:28] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Afaik its an abstract socket. Can you even check if those exist?
[01:29] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, you could fail to connect
[01:29] <TheMuso> If you can, then thats possibly the way to go, which means only making the change in one place, at-spi.
[01:29] <TheMuso> Well its failing to connect in some circumstances already.
[01:29] <TheMuso> I might have a chat with the at-spi maintainer, see what he suggests.
[01:30] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, I'll update the bug with these suggestions. But yeah, it's the usual yuck of using X, no matter which way you do it there's always something that doesn't work well...
[01:31] <TheMuso> Yep fair enough. I think I'll file a bug upstream actually, adn link this bug, and discuss there. Thanks.
[01:31] <TheMuso> Upstrea as in at-spi upstream.
[01:32] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, the greeter X clients *should* be closed from the X server, but I think properties remain even once clients are gone.
[01:32] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:33] <jbicha> TheMuso: what desktop do you use?
[01:33] <TheMuso> jbicha: MATE.
[01:34] <TheMuso> There are many things I like about GNOME, and even GNOME shell, but as it stands, even on fast hardware, with a11y enabled, GNOME shell si not very responsive atm.
[01:34] <TheMuso> is*
[01:35] <TheMuso> As in, it takes longer than it should from pressing a key for a menu on the top bar to be rendered and orca speak the first focused item etc.
[01:36] <jbicha> I was surprised that it looks like it's difficult to launch apps in Unity if you need Orca
[01:37] <TheMuso> Well last I checked, that was quite usable.
[01:37] <TheMuso> I use MATE now mostly because I am on another distro.
[01:37] <TheMuso> But even if unity were available, I am not sure I'd still use it.
[01:38] <jbicha> TheMuso: oh I saw https://bugzilla.gnome.org/740628 and it looked like orca was silent in Unity's Dash or Alt-F2 but I didn't try it for very long
[01:38] <ubot5> Gnome bug 740628 in general "Unity Dash Doesn't Speak results" [Normal,New]
[01:39] <jbicha> which distro?
[01:40] <TheMuso> Fedora
[01:41] <TheMuso> jbicha: I did a lot of work around that time and later on in fact to improve dash accessibility.
[01:41] <TheMuso> In unity.
[01:46] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: What version of lightdm introduced the change where the X server wasn't shut down and restarted? I know it was after 1.18...
[01:47] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, it was unity-greeter 0.0.2, which means basically forever
[01:48] <TheMuso> Oh the greeter is responsible for that?
[01:48] <TheMuso> I thought lightdm handled the X server.
[01:51] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, LightDM just starts the X server and points the greeter/session at it
[01:51] <TheMuso> Oh ok.
[06:07] <oSoMoN> good morning Europe, good afternoon Asia/Australia
[06:31] <duflu> oSoMoN: Australia says hi
[06:42] <duflu> We usually send in Lee Lin Chin for that
[07:32] <jamesh> It's too bad that Lee Lin Chin sitcom never made it past that pilot
[07:50] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:50] <jamesh> hi seb128
[07:51] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:00] <willcooke> morning all
[08:03] <Laney> HI
[08:03] <willcooke> howdy Laney.  Crop news today?
[08:04] <Laney> hey willcooke
[08:04] <Laney> not been up today
[08:04] <Laney> might get some news from our own correspondent later
[08:05] <Laney> I did prick out some cosmos last night tho
[08:05] <willcooke> :)
[08:05] <willcooke> I sprayed glyphosate on stinging nettles
[08:05] <willcooke> sp?
[08:05] <willcooke> lazy gardening
[08:05] <Laney> /o\
[08:06] <seb128> hey jamesh duflu willcooke Laney
[08:06] <seb128> happy friday!
[08:07] <chrisccoulson> good morning
[08:07] <duflu> seb128, thanks for reminding me.
[08:07]  * duflu goes to find some sugar to celebrate
[08:07] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:08] <Laney> you good?
[08:12] <acheronUK> does 'apt-file update' download the contents for people in artful 3.1.4 version?
[08:12] <acheronUK> oh, wrong chan
[08:16] <seb128> Laney, yeah, getting ready for some warm days, 27°C today, 31°C tomorrow
[08:16] <seb128> you?
[08:16] <Laney> nice
[08:16] <Laney> going to the beach?
[08:16] <Laney> we're off camping tonight
[08:17] <Laney> although there's supposed to be a storm tomorrow /o\
[08:18] <seb128> probably not, it's getting very busy so it takes a while to go there
[08:18] <seb128> and it might be too warm for the little one
[08:18] <seb128> rather going to look for a park where it's a bit fresher
[08:18] <Laney> makes sense
[08:34] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[08:34] <duflu> Hi flexiondotorg
[08:35] <oSoMoN> hey flexiondotorg
[08:35] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[08:36] <willcooke> hey flexiondotorg
[08:36] <flexiondotorg> lol
[08:38] <Trevinho> hey seb128, willcooke, flexiondotorg, Laney, jamesh, chrisccoulson and duflu
[08:38] <seb128> hey Trevinho :-)
[08:38] <seb128> how was the pool party ?
[08:39] <duflu> s/the pool party/any night of the week/
[08:39] <Trevinho> Very nice.... Well... We had to sub-organize a party there tho... As the organizers weren't the most friendly people on earth...
[08:42] <Laney> HEY FLEXIONDOTORG
[08:42] <Laney> hi Trevinho!
[08:42] <Laney> did you get drunk AGAIN?
[08:43] <flexiondotorg> Laney speak up please
[08:46] <Trevinho> Laney: no... I've nrever been drunk, what are you sayin!?!?
[08:50]  * Trevinho is pretty sure that the typos above caused the "here we go..." Laney's reaction :-D
[08:53] <Laney> I went to get you some water and find a place for you to lie down
[09:03] <andyrock> mooorning
[09:05] <Trevinho> hi andyrock
[09:11] <Trevinho> the coworking is now hosting an editor from Vogue.... I never thought I could work from a place were there was fashion events :o
[12:04] <Trevinho> Have a nice weekend everyone... Dinner time!
[12:10] <seb128> Trevinho, enjoy & have fun
[12:10] <Trevinho> Yeah, it will be for real my last one in Bali... And going to an island close by, it should be cool.
[12:13] <oSoMoN> Trevinho, enjoy!
[12:13] <Trevinho> thanks
[12:19] <willcooke> night Trevinho
[12:33] <Laney> k, night
[12:33] <Laney> happy weekend
[12:33] <Laney> back tuesday!
[12:34] <seb128> enjoy Laney!
[12:43] <willcooke> see ya Laney, enjoy the sun
[12:46] <andyrock> any python library to mock a REST api that is already in main (xenial) ?
[12:46] <andyrock> or do I need that the library is in main?
[12:46] <andyrock> seb128: Laney ^^^
[12:47] <andyrock> as it's just for testing
[13:20] <oSoMoN> seb128, have you had a chance to take a look at my libreoffice 5.3.3 source package?
[13:24] <abeato> infinity, ping
[13:28] <seb128> oSoMoN, I was sort of waiting to see if Bjoern of Rico would comment and yesterday was a vac day here
[13:29] <seb128> if they don't comment I'mgoing to have a look a bit later or on monday
[13:29] <oSoMoN> seb128, ack, thanks! no urgency, it can wait until next week
[13:32] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks
[13:32] <seb128> andyrock, sorry I don't know much about python libraries, maybe #ubuntu-devel (doko?) know better
[13:33] <willcooke> andyrock, I did a few searches but nothing was obvious.  Guess you already did that though
[14:06] <jbicha> tkamppeter: nice job upstreaming all those s-c-p patches :)
[14:06] <kenvandine> jbicha, i guess we could use a session migration script to deal with default extensions
[14:07] <jbicha> kenvandine: yes, that's basically what fmuellner is telling us to do :|
[14:09] <jbicha> for context, I reported https://bugzilla.gnome.org/783103 and 783104
[14:09] <ubot5> Gnome bug 783103 in extensions "gnome-shell's enabled-extensions gsettings list is difficult for distros" [Normal,Resolved: wontfix]
[14:55] <willcooke> right, poets day.  The sun is out.   I'm off until Wednesday.  Have a great weekend y'all