[08:52] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[17:17] <andylockran> afternoon
[17:18] <andylockran> Anyone got any tips on getting decent internet when openreach don't have any availability in the local cabinet?
[17:19] <brobostigon> afternoodlings andylockran
[17:24] <penguin42> andylockran: I'm on Virgin
[17:25] <penguin42> andylockran: They're customer service aint great, but the bits move fast
[17:25] <andylockran> Yeah, i'm not in their area :(
[17:26] <penguin42> andylockran: is your local cab problem that they only have ADSL or is it worse than that?
[17:29]  * penguin42 has that problem; they didn't bother fibreing up my cab because it's not got many people on
[17:30] <andylockran> local cab has fibre & asdl
[17:30] <andylockran> but quality is quickly deteriorating
[17:32] <penguin42> ah, those problems seem to be almost impossible to get them to fix - is your voice signal clear?
[17:37] <penguin42> and also, just how bad has it got (on what service?)
[17:44] <daftykins> when you say fiber at the cab, what do you really mean by that?
[17:44] <daftykins> backhaul so you can have VDSL services, or?
[17:48] <penguin42> That's what I meant, (lets check andylockran's meaning as well); our cab is a passive wiring cab; no DSLAM
[17:53] <daftykins> i'm gonna have scaffold up soon, ideal time to remove some of the 4 phone lines that run across the front of my house :) ripped out extra ones i don't use inside my place \o/
[17:54] <daftykins> have to be sure not to chop the neighbours one ;)
[17:55] <penguin42> are you allowed to do that?
[17:57] <daftykins> well in the same standard as BT, the local telco has the control over everything up to master sockets - but for unused cables there's no service 8D
[17:57] <daftykins> so probably not, i certainly won't touch the WW2 era terminals of where these cables join onto the ones coming out of the ground
[17:58] <daftykins> could just snip them back to close to there, though water ingress could potentially ruin them all i suppose
[18:02] <penguin42> your wires come out of the ground? Weird....
[18:03] <daftykins> yep, how they should be
[18:03] <penguin42> ours come from polls
[18:03] <daftykins> some areas of the island have poles :)
[18:03] <daftykins> wouldn't fancy that myself though
[18:03] <penguin42> (cable comes up from the ground)
[18:03] <penguin42> daftykins: Never had a problem with the use of a pole, I guess it just meant they could put in a whole bunch of houses at once
[18:04] <daftykins> my house is about 50m from the nearest cabinet though
[18:04] <daftykins> totally passive one again but then the exchange is about 600m behind that
[18:16] <andylockran> daftykins: not sure.  I'm on cab 33, if that means owt
[18:16] <andylockran> want to know what to look for
[18:16] <daftykins> not to me, i'm not in England :D
[18:17] <daftykins> but what's your current situation, what service are you on and what do you sync at?
[18:17] <andylockran> BT
[18:17] <daftykins> by service i really meant which DSL technology and expected max speeds
[18:18] <andylockran> saying:  Line state:	Connected
[18:18] <andylockran> Connection time:	1 days, 12:07:01
[18:18] <andylockran> Downstream:	12.92 Mbps
[18:18] <andylockran> Upstream:	771.9 Kbps
[18:18] <andylockran> but not getting anywhere near that
[18:19] <daftykins> have you got a proper combo filtered master socket in place, or sketchy sockets with microfilters plugged in?
[18:19] <andylockran> proper combo filterred master socket
[18:19] <daftykins> hrmm and the length of cable from where the line enters the property to that is of a decent standard?
[18:20] <daftykins> also, it doesn't run near any mains wiring
[18:21] <andylockran> all true - it's been fine since I mvoed in 5 years ago
[18:21] <andylockran> just gradually got worse
[18:26] <daftykins> that sync is definitely pretty bad
[18:26] <daftykins> buuuut if it's a passive cab then it might be all you can expect
[18:29] <daftykins> i usually like to pop the socket directly onto the pair coming into the property to confirm things
[18:29] <daftykins> those little grey boxes they put before internal wiring is joined on