[13:56] <eylul> sakrecoer ovenwerks rosco2 tag me when you are here :)
[14:40] <OvenWerks> I here
[14:40] <OvenWerks> Sorry to b late
[19:07] <sakrecoer> hi eylul OvenWerks
[19:07] <sakrecoer> krytarik and everyone
[19:17] <eylul> hi
[19:29] <sakrecoer> didn't have much to say, haven't had much time to think.
[19:30] <sakrecoer> i like the draft Ross wrote.
[19:30] <sakrecoer> the only part that frictioned with me is "Unfortunately, as happens occasionally in the world of Free
[19:31] <sakrecoer> Software,
[19:31] <sakrecoer> "
[19:31] <sakrecoer> it's more inherent to voluntary work, than free software..
[19:33] <sakrecoer> i suppose we need to know where krytarik sees themselves in this new context. cfhowlett also, and maybe Jlye who seemed to show interest during 16.04
[19:34] <sakrecoer> cfhowleet is very active on facebook with the page and the group
[19:35] <krytarik> I'm fine with not being on the council myself.  Also, hi!
[19:35] <sakrecoer> you have done awesome PR too eylul, i've been wathcing you on my pocketTV
[19:35] <sakrecoer> hi krytarik :)
[19:44] <eylul> hehe thanks sakrecoer :D
[19:45] <eylul> we all do what we can (and I agree with the wording change)
[19:45] <eylul> krytarik it is completely up to you
[19:51] <OvenWerks> Well, hello. I think the meeting time changed :)
[19:52] <sakrecoer> hi OvenWerks :) indeed!
[19:52] <OvenWerks> Just got home...
[19:52] <sakrecoer> wb!
[19:53] <OvenWerks> Has anyone tested the new -controls?
[19:54] <eylul> *hides*
[19:54] <sakrecoer> i haven't yet, no :(
[19:54] <sakrecoer> but i have undusted my production machine!
[19:55] <sakrecoer> which is at least one step forward since the previews 745 steps backwards
[19:55] <sakrecoer> *previous 
[19:55] <sakrecoer> lol
[19:56] <OvenWerks> I am having fun with it. People can at least easily add a USB mic.
[19:56] <sakrecoer> nice!
[19:56] <sakrecoer> could it have a switch to kill alsaFW in favour of FFADO? :p
[19:57] <sakrecoer> kill=blacklist
[19:57] <OvenWerks> being able to use a USB mic has been my main reason for this work.. I would not use one myself, but there are a lot of people who give up on linux audio for that reason
[19:57] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: I do not have a FW device to play with
[19:58] <OvenWerks> I do have a USB mic I got for $3 at the second hand store.
[19:58] <sakrecoer> right, we've discussed that already i think, but never managed to pair remotly with my FW thing
[19:59] <OvenWerks> I have heard that the alsa drivers are not as good as the direct to jack drivers
[20:00] <sakrecoer> i don't know, i've never benn able to use alsaFW for naything else than playback... handy for quick plug'n'play i think, but very confusing to configure and not jack friendly...
[20:01] <sakrecoer> i found how to blacklist them on arch wiki, and then everything works fine
[20:01] <sakrecoer> with ffado
[20:05] <sakrecoer> i have to go now though...
[20:05] <sakrecoer> good to read you everyone <3
[20:05] <sakrecoer> g'night o/
[21:08] <OvenWerks> good night... 
[23:22] <OvenWerks> Cool, plug a USB mic in and it shows up on jack, pull the plug it goes away.
[23:24] <OvenWerks> So I can get the "Add as a bridged client" option to work just fine.
[23:25] <OvenWerks> Jack continues to run through the whole thing. Of course any connections to the USB device get disconnected when it is pulled.
[23:28] <OvenWerks> The other option "Make USB the new jack Master" works as well... when plugging in. Plug in a USB interface and the jack "system" device changes. As with the other, connections to the output are lost.
[23:30] <OvenWerks> However, unplugging the device zombyfies jackdbus. So I can get it to work... but have to kill jackdbus to do so. This means _all_ connections are lost and any connected applications may die, hang or require a reconnect.
[23:31] <OvenWerks> RG's myjackctl.sh does not work even on 16.04, I guess things have changed :)
[23:32] <OvenWerks> The only thing I can think to make things a bit better is to provide a manual switch_master button the user can hit before unplugging their USB device.
[23:38] <OvenWerks> There is one odd thing about the whole setup... -controls is python3 (so it works with glade/gtk3) and the dbus listener is python2 :P because python-dbus requires python2. There does not seem to be dbus API for python3 in our repos.
[23:59] <OvenWerks> Hmmm, it looks like the only way is for the dbus talker to become autojack.