[17:57] <c_smith> quick question before I install 17.10 and have the rug pulled out from under me mid way, has the DE been switched to Gnome as of yet?
[17:57] <c_smith> would like to know so I can test the intended DE instead of the secondary one
[18:14] <ducasse> c_smith: no, it hasn't
[18:21] <c_smith> ducasse, alright, I take it any testing would be appreciate nonetheless?
[18:21] <c_smith> *appreciated
[20:09] <valorie> c_smith: I've been advising people to just install ubuntu-gnome for now
[20:09] <valorie> it's not quite the same thing, but closer than stock Ubuntu is
[20:09] <valorie> of course, my usual advice is mostly Kubuntu is best!
[20:09] <valorie> lol
[20:10] <c_smith> valorie, good advice. tbh I did that a couple weeks ago on my laptop (that's still running it), was mainly wondering if it was a good point to try
[20:10] <c_smith> lol Neon is my main distro atm
[20:10] <valorie> neon is indeed best for some
[20:10] <c_smith> the folks behind that are doing good work
[20:10] <valorie> I"m on both teams
[20:10] <c_smith> sweet.
[20:10] <valorie> indeed
[20:11] <c_smith> sucks that a certain game dropped support for DX9 and WinXP (only things enabling that game to run in Wine), dual boot it is, I guess...
[20:20] <enyc> c_smith: humm.... you can create a virtuamob vm, then export as ovf, then import into free-of-charge vmware personal
[20:20] <enyc> c_smith: vmware has working 3daccel, aiui
[20:23] <c_smith> or I could just use the unused 500GB HDD. XD
[20:24] <c_smith> 4 hard drives in this machine might be a bit excessive lol
[20:25] <enyc> c_smith: =) but still pointing out usefully 3daccel windows vm can work ....
[20:25] <c_smith> true. given if I have a separate GPU from how I understand that to work
[20:26] <enyc> maybe
[20:27] <enyc> i thought there was an abstracted approach rather than gpu-passthrough
[20:27] <c_smith> true, but tbh it's really not needed in my case since I've more hard drives than I know what to do with. XD
[20:27] <enyc> important point is virtualmob 3daccel is only experimental / not so usable, aiui
[20:27] <enyc> beware of windows screwing up bootloaders and being a pain
[20:28] <enyc> best to install wint olnly specific disk attached, etc.
[20:28] <enyc> virtualization (where working well, usually doable)  gives you much better flexbility/maintainability
[20:33] <c_smith> a reason to have 2 separate ESP partitions. XD
[20:33] <c_smith> hard for Windows to screw up a partition is doesn't particularly have anything to do with.