[00:12] <oerheks_> donofrio, lots of forumposts, you might get it working, no guarantee for your hardware, as not all drivers are available
[00:13] <IntelCore> any #bash ppl on
[00:15] <teward> IntelCore: sounds like you need to visit #bash
[00:20] <donofrio> oerheks_, yah gotta try ;)
[00:35] <joeelectricity> hey y'all, I've installed ubuntu on my laptop before and am trying to install on my desktop computer. Issue is, my graphics card causes me to get a black screen after Grub. I started in nomodeset, but it also turns out that my wifi card (broadcom wireless adapter) isn't supported. I'm following a tutorial on the forums for installing it (using firmware-b43-installer), but seems to not have worked.
[00:36] <bzn-fob> I'm running into an issue with a .desktop file. I created it (copied from my emacs.desktop file and changed the necessary stuff) but clicking the menu entry it makes, it says invalid desktop entry file
[00:36] <joeelectricity> Issue with the no wifi is that i have to use a crappy tiny usb card to download any drivers. The signal up here isn't strong enough so I"m using my phone's hotspot to install the wifi card drivers (would rather not install the gfx card drivers over lte, data caps)
[00:36] <bzn-fob> However, typing it in the terminal works fine. I mean, I can /usr/bin/my-program & it's fine. But the desktop entry pointing to the same place does not
[00:37] <bzn-fob> joeelectricity: hey man. For starters which broadcom adapter do you have? (I had to help a friend with this & we could not do it)
[00:38] <bzn-fob> And for enders, eh... the black screen is a known bug. I wouldn't be much help except googling for solutions
[00:38] <joeelectricity> the pciid is 14e4:43a0, but the model is Broadcom BCM4360
[00:38] <bzn-fob> K one sec lemme look it up
[00:40] <joeelectricity> was the tutorial you were following the one on the ask ubuntu with the table of tools? Just realized I might've misread the table
[00:40] <joeelectricity> gonna try the other utility it suggests and report back
[00:40] <joeelectricity> annoying thing is somehow, I used to have a working ubuntu install (albeit an older version) on this same computer, but cleared it and months later want to reinstall. No issues with graphics drivers last time, just network driver
[00:42] <joeelectricity> usually I use windows for development, but I've been bitten by the Rust bug and wanted to get a real Linux machine up. Cleared my extra ssd and started an install, excited to be back on a unix machine
[00:42] <bzn-fob> So far I see (old post) suggesting to use bmwl-kernel-source - but this post is ancient (2013)
[00:42] <joeelectricity> yeah, I might try some other solutions if the bmwl doesnj't work
[00:42] <bzn-fob> Pray it works. We spent.. I don't know, a week doing every solution we found
[00:43] <joeelectricity> yeah, I'll figure something out
[00:43] <joeelectricity> my setup looks pretty funny right now, though. Laptop out on desk, tiny little wifi adapter in pc, and phone basically on top of the adapter with hotspot
[00:43] <bzn-fob> I think you might have better luck, his was a different chipset that didn't seem very common in that series, but yours pops up a lot of info
[00:44] <donofrio> does a native frontend for simcity4 datafiles in ubuntu
[00:44] <bzn-fob> Haha. Working setup :)
[00:44] <joeelectricity> oshit!! 64 bytes from google.com
[00:44] <joeelectricity> thanks for the help, bzn
[00:45] <bzn-fob> No problem. It looks promising. As far as broadcom adapters go
[00:46] <joeelectricity> i'm also very excited to get my vim setup on a desktop computer. Spent almost all day playing with nvim and some themes, making it look pretty. I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to linux dev (use atom on windows, slow as fuck), but this feels pretty legit
[00:50] <bzn-fob> Emacs guy myself. Occasionally use vim but I don't use it vim-like, lol. No magic with keys, just editing a line or two
[00:51] <bzn-fob> Not comfortable with it. Almost 20 years of emacs warped my muscle memory
[00:51] <der0> I heard a rumor that Ubuntu is abandoning Unity desktop, is that true?
[00:52] <wannabej> It's not a rumor
[00:52] <wannabej> It's true
[00:52] <wannabej> Moving back to the old gnome
[00:52] <der0> wannabej, ahh. When?
[00:52] <wannabej> 18.04 LTS
[00:53] <wannabej> At least I think so
[00:53] <wannabej> That will be the transition version
[00:53] <der0> Interesting.
[00:54] <wannabej> I never used unity anyways
[00:54] <wannabej> so I don't care much
[00:54] <wannabej> lol
[00:55] <joeelectricity> what desktop environment do you guys use? GNOME (non-classic) feels kinda weird to me
[00:55] <darthanubis> der0, rumour? lol
[00:55] <fishbowlkraken> it's too bad, tbh. Unity has some of the most coherent UX of any DE, and is one of the few that handles HiDPI in a way that isn't horrendous.
[00:55] <darthanubis> it was an official announcement
[00:56] <fishbowlkraken> It's not exactly my favorite environment, but on my Compute stick attached to my TV, it's worked quite well, with the large icons and desktop.
[00:56] <wannabej> I use xfce
[00:56] <wannabej> and sometimes kde
[00:57] <wannabej> All of em have their issues
[00:57] <fishbowlkraken> I'm using Cinnamon atm, was using XFCE for everything, then got a laptop with a 4K screen and saw what XFCE looks like on that
[00:57] <wannabej> Most of my ubuntu work is on the server side
[00:59] <fishbowlkraken> So, anybody up for obscure Nvidia driver troubleshooting?
[01:00] <fishbowlkraken> Gonna just keep asking every few hours, lol
[01:04] <fishbowlkraken> That's a quick way to kill the discussion, lol
[01:05] <Bashing-om> The accpetable elapsed time is 20 minutes .. I remain interested .
[01:05] <wannabej> fishbowlkraken: whats the issue?
[01:05] <wannabej> fishbowlkraken: and please tell me you're not on one of those dual intel-nvidia laptops
[01:06] <fishbowlkraken> You freaking know it.
[01:06] <fishbowlkraken> However, the Intel chip is disabled at the hardware level by BIOS
[01:06] <fishbowlkraken> So there's that.
[01:06] <Bashing-om> wannabej: fishbowlkraken Has new hardware too boot too .
[01:06] <fishbowlkraken> Anyway, not ONLY is it an Nvidia Prime laptop, it's one so new that there's no drivers in the official repos that support it
[01:06] <fishbowlkraken> so I have to use the graphics-drivers PPA to run it
[01:06] <wannabej> lol
[01:07] <wannabej> I applaud your trailblazerness
[01:07] <wannabej> Do you exclusively run ubuntu on it?
[01:07] <fishbowlkraken> it seems to have a documented issue (by the fact that I and at least one other person have posted about it now) that it won't actually clock the GPU above its baseline
[01:07] <fishbowlkraken> and yeah, I exclusively use Linux on all my hardware
[01:07] <fishbowlkraken> I
[01:07] <wannabej> may want to look at this stuff before you buy ;)
[01:08] <wannabej> Link to the other user experiencing the issue?
[01:08] <fishbowlkraken> I'm not running this as some act of bravery, I just bought a new CAD workstation, and needed the newest GPU so I could actually crunch the polys
[01:08] <fishbowlkraken> https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1010612/sluggish-performance-no-reclocking-ubuntu-17-04-kernel-4-12rc2-nvidia-quadro-m2200-driver-381-22-/
[01:08] <fishbowlkraken> There's no other laptops on the market that support 64GB of RAM, and this is the newest mobile Quadro on the market as well.
[01:09] <wannabej> Fair enough
[01:09] <fishbowlkraken> I got one of the first P51s to make landfall in the US, configured it within three hours of it first going up for sale on the site
[01:09] <wannabej> I support some CAD junkies at work
[01:09] <fishbowlkraken> so there wasn't much research that could be done, lol
[01:10] <fishbowlkraken> I also needed horsepower for slicing 3D prints
[01:10] <wannabej> So it runs like poo when forcing nvidia?
[01:10] <wannabej> like even with simple desktop interaction
[01:10] <fishbowlkraken> It runs like poo when running with Intel, but just as bad with only Nvidia
[01:10] <wannabej> HAHHA
[01:10] <fishbowlkraken> yeah, it's running the GPU at 10%
[01:10] <wannabej> Well yes thats expected
[01:11] <fishbowlkraken> Yeah, like, watching a Youtube video, I can't run it above 480P before I get stuttering on Cinnamon
[01:11] <wannabej> Whats the device dected as?
[01:11] <fishbowlkraken> Keep in mind, it's a 4K screen
[01:11] <fishbowlkraken> oh it's detected correctly
[01:11] <psychoticwarrior> nice
[01:11] <fishbowlkraken> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24695602/
[01:11] <fishbowlkraken> Here's a full dump of my Xorg log
[01:12] <fishbowlkraken> The weird thing is, it worked ONCE.
[01:12] <wannabej> for my own insanity
[01:12] <wannabej> please run lspci | grep VGA
[01:13] <fishbowlkraken> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM206GLM [Quadro M2200 Mobile] (rev a1)
[01:14] <wannabej> which driver version are you using?
[01:16] <wannabej> and does this occur on older versions of ubuntu too or just the latest?
[01:16] <fishbowlkraken> 381
[01:16] <fishbowlkraken> The only two drivers to support the card are 378 and 381
[01:17] <fishbowlkraken> and on 378 you can't adjust brightness
[01:17] <wannabej> There's always a way
[01:17] <wannabej> minus the brightness issue its the same on both?
[01:17] <fishbowlkraken> as far as older versions, not sure, but this is a Kaby Lake machine, so I'm trying to get to the newest version to avoid the random hangs
[01:17] <fishbowlkraken> Yeah, on 378 it still won't clock AND the screen blinds me, lol
[01:17] <wannabej> rekt
[01:18] <wannabej> Yeah fair enough re: kaby, would be interesting to see tho
[01:18] <fishbowlkraken> Yeah, it'd run great right until the random crash, lol
[01:18] <fishbowlkraken> actually no idea if it would
[01:18] <Bashing-om> fishbowlkraken: nvidia recommends the 375 version driver : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/118290/en-us .
[01:18] <fishbowlkraken> For the M2200?
[01:18] <IntelCore> yea i mentioned 375
[01:19] <fishbowlkraken> Because the changelogs for 378 *specifically* say "adds support for card: M2200
[01:19] <fishbowlkraken> "
[01:19] <wannabej> Those changelogs are crap
[01:19] <wannabej> I would bet an older version that doesn't even properly detect the card would run it better than it is right now
[01:19] <fishbowlkraken> No surprise there. I'll try it out, bbs
[01:19] <IntelCore> nvidia bundled models into new useanle driver scrips
[01:20] <IntelCore> useable
[01:20] <IntelCore> I saw a few models in application with one driver
[01:21] <Bashing-om> fishbowlkraken: Yup and the card is listed " K4100M, Quadro K4000M, Quadro K3100M, Quadro K2200M," .
[01:22] <fishbowlkraken> K2200m and M2200 are not necessarily the same thing
[01:22] <IntelCore> you have M2200 driver
[01:23] <fishbowlkraken> http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=3732&cmp%5B%5D=3175
[01:23] <fishbowlkraken> Yeah, K2200m is a card from 2015, this is one from this year
[01:23] <IntelCore> iknowtayt
[01:23] <Bashing-om> fishbowlkraken: true ^ but : http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us >> 375 version driver .
[01:23] <fishbowlkraken> If you think Nvidia Geforce naming conventions are troublesome, you ain't seen nothin yet with Quadro.
[01:24] <fishbowlkraken> Anyway, I installed it, gonna reboot.
[01:24] <IntelCore> m2200 on that sit finds 375 is
[01:25] <IntelCore> 2 days. solve drivers
[01:26] <wannabej> Seems counter intuitive but quadro driver support is worth than the consumer lots
[01:27] <IntelCore> first i bash python la8tr
[01:30] <fishbowlkraken> Hm, drone told me I wasn't logged in.
[01:30] <fishbowlkraken> Trying again.
[01:30] <fishbowlkraken> Hey, can y'all see this?
[01:31] <wannabej> Yes
[01:32] <fishbowlkraken> OK, I changed to the latest point release of 375, after trying the old one
[01:33] <fishbowlkraken> Now it seems to allow me to adjust brightness. Success there.
[01:33] <fishbowlkraken> Gonna try to run a thing to benchmark it
[01:33] <Bashing-om> fishbowlkraken: :))
[01:34] <fishbowlkraken> Okay, I have brightness control back, but no dice graphically.
[01:35] <fishbowlkraken> Actually, I don't have the ability to CHANGE the brightness
[01:35] <fishbowlkraken> but it went back to the setting it had last I used it on 381
[01:35] <fishbowlkraken> so it's not at maximum
[01:35] <fishbowlkraken> No friggin clue why, but hey. I can see.
[01:36] <Bashing-om> fishbowlkraken: And do some work on this high dollar equipment .
[01:36] <wannabej> still crap performance?
[01:36] <fishbowlkraken> Absolutely.
[01:37] <fishbowlkraken> Loaded a Unity based game from 2015
[01:37] <fishbowlkraken> 4FPS
[01:37] <wannabej> I wonder if you try oc'ing it and manually setting clocks
[01:37] <wannabej> I bet that would work
[01:37] <wannabej> it would stress the crap out of it though
[01:37] <wannabej> not good long term
[01:37] <wannabej> And your lap would ignite from the heat I'm guessing
[01:37] <fishbowlkraken> I'd rather not stress this thing,
[01:38] <fishbowlkraken> this laptop is replacing my W530 that I bought in 2013, so I'm a fan of maintaining my hardware
[01:39] <wannabej> How much was that?
[01:39] <fishbowlkraken> this one or the old one?
[01:40] <fishbowlkraken> old one was about $2500, this one was $3900
[01:40] <wannabej> Thats not too bad
[01:42] <fishbowlkraken> it's not, and I have a full service warranty for two years with onsite service, so that's helpful
[01:42] <fishbowlkraken> but again, rather not stress this thing that far
[01:42] <fishbowlkraken> I'm going to be beating the crap out of this thing enough as it is
[01:42] <fishbowlkraken> my old laptop's had five separate run-ins with spools of plastic weighing a kg
[01:44] <_unreal_> hello, I'm trying to find my box, I need to SSH into it but I have forgotten what the IP is. I could plug a video cable in but its a PAIN to undo everything
[01:44] <YankDownUnder> _unreal_, Local LAN?
[01:44] <_unreal_> yes
[01:45] <YankDownUnder> _unreal_, Can you not check your router to see what IP's are used/assigned?
[01:48] <fishbowlkraken> wannabeJ: If this thing performed at around the level it's supposed to, the cost wouldn't be too bad.
[01:48] <_unreal_> nope
[01:49] <oerheks_> unreal nmap could scan for that, like: nmap -sn 192.168.1.0/24
[01:49] <wannabej> fishbowlkraken: I can understand your frustration, I'd be the same way - but you will prob have to either keep trying different version combos (ubuntu/driver revs)
[01:49] <_unreal_> nmap thats it
[01:49] <YankDownUnder> fishbowlkraken, (Offtopic - if I wanted to see speed on that thing, I'd be running WindowMaker or macOS) :)
[01:49] <wannabej> fishbowlkraken: or just hold for a new update
[01:49] <fishbowlkraken> It's supposed to be able to go at a dead heat with an RX 460 (a desktop card, not a laptop one) for most graphics processing tasks
[01:49] <_unreal_> there it is 192.168.101
[01:49] <oerheks_> :)
[01:49] <fishbowlkraken> (MacOS isn't really known for its driver support on hardware they don't like, lol)
[01:49] <_unreal_> logging into my cubox
[01:50] <_unreal_> if you have ever heard of such a thing?
[01:50] <YankDownUnder> fishbowlkraken, One has to *know* where to go...ahem...
[01:50] <_unreal_> wow uptime 170 days
[01:50] <YankDownUnder> 170 days. Um...yeah...wow...so since we've helped you find it, you're buying lunch, right? Yay!
[01:50] <uptime> _unreal_, pfft.
[01:51] <fishbowlkraken> Oh I know all about hackintoshes, I had a Dell Mini 9 back in the day, which was like, THE machine to hackintosh, as it almost perfectly matched the specs of a netbook platform Apple had been toying with, so it was weirdly perfectly supported
[01:51] <fishbowlkraken> But that was a long, long time ago
[01:51] <wannabej> I would try downgrading to the LTS version
[01:51] <rdh> https://dribbble.com/shots/1959852-Linux-Uptime-Record-Longest-Highest-Server-Uptime-on-Debian
[01:51] <wannabej> The kaby lake issues will be far less than nvidia bs
[01:53] <fishbowlkraken> Bahh. Is there a good way to do that other than just straight reinstalling?
[01:53] <wannabej> Not really
[01:53] <fishbowlkraken> Radda radda radda. I was hoping maybe they'd patched that up.
[01:53] <wannabej> If you're paranoid that it won't work (legit concern), you could clone the disk as is now
[01:54] <wannabej> Try the new version
[01:54] <fishbowlkraken> Anything with good HiDPI support from 2016?
[01:54] <wannabej> err try the new "old" version ;)
[01:54] <fishbowlkraken> Actually I can just install it to the HDD and set that as the boot device
[01:54] <fishbowlkraken> I have a 256GB SSD and a 500GB HDD
[01:54] <fishbowlkraken> so I can just swap them in the BIOS and use that to boot up and test things
[01:55] <fishbowlkraken> be a bit slower but meh
[01:55] <fishbowlkraken> However, HiDPI stuff's a nightmare on even the new stuff
[01:55] <fishbowlkraken> how bad is it on the LTS?
[01:57] <wannabej> It won't be fun
[02:03] <fishbowlkraken> Is there a spin of 16.04 that starts out running Cinnamon or Budgie?
[02:03] <fishbowlkraken> Those are two that've been onboard with HiDPI from the get go
[02:03] <dax> https://ubuntubudgie.org/
[02:04] <compdoc> fishbowlkraken, you can also install Server, and then add a desktop
[02:04] <dax> Ubuntu itself only supports Ubuntu Budgie in 17.04 onwards tho, so probably not the best idea
[02:05] <dax> (i.e., there are downloads on that site for 16.04, but they're not officially supported here)
[02:05] <fishbowlkraken> Setting up WLAN from the commandline's always fun.
[02:05] <fishbowlkraken> Oh shit, I don't even know if this thing's wireless card's supported by 16.04
[02:05] <fishbowlkraken> it's also fairly new
[02:05] <wannabej> If you've got that second disk
[02:05] <wannabej> I'd give it a whirl
[02:06] <fishbowlkraken> yeah, guess it's my best shot. So should I just use standard Ubuntu? Anyone have experience with HiDPI on 16.04 that can tell me of one that won't be nothing but eyestrain throughout the install?
[02:08] <Abequinn> ok guys
[02:08] <wannabej> I would do the serve rinstall
[02:08] <wannabej> server* install
[02:08] <wannabej> then add a desktop to it
[02:08] <wannabej> simplest install method
[02:09] <fishbowlkraken> Except for the whole installing WLAN drivers and connecting to one over server
[02:09] <fishbowlkraken> ah fuggit I'll just use a cable
[02:09] <wannabej> For the install I would use a cable
[02:09] <wannabej> lol
[02:09] <fishbowlkraken> Another reason to go for high end workstations, you still get an ethernet jack
[02:09] <Abequinn> I am dual-booting ubuntu with MacOS, and I am having poor sound quality (MacBookAir6-1)
[02:12] <Sakara> Hi all, I'm attempting to configure a system with 8 monitors.
[02:12] <Abequinn> whaaaaa-
[02:13] <Sakara> After updating the configuration with the nvidia-settings I have the Xscreens layed out correctly at the login prompt.
[02:13] <Sakara> When I attempt to login the screens flicker black and I get punted back to the login screen.
[02:13] <fishbowlkraken> ....Eight monitors.
[02:13] <Abequinn> ^
[02:13] <fishbowlkraken> That's awesome.
[02:13] <Sakara> Yes. They drive a big heads up display in my office.
[02:13] <fishbowlkraken> Can you PLEASE post a picture?
[02:13] <wannabej> Thats a nice setup there
[02:13] <wannabej> which monitor you using?
[02:14] <fishbowlkraken> I'm having trouble actually even conceptualizing how they fit together
[02:14] <Sakara> DELL 24 inch
[02:14] <Sakara> They have configured 4x4  +   4x4   and hang from the ceiling.
[02:14] <Sakara> I'm a bit stuck with how to troubleshoot unity failing to start.
[02:15] <fishbowlkraken> That's so friggin cool
[02:15] <Sakara> It only stopped working when I updated the Xorg.conf with the nvidia-settings tool and layed the monitors out with an Xscreen each and enable Xinerama.
[02:15] <fishbowlkraken> Aight, you guys sort her out, I'mma go try and get basic functionality out of my graphics card
[02:15] <fishbowlkraken> one graphics driver problem to the next, lol
[02:16] <Abequinn> they cant help me because everybody hates macOS's proprietary software
[02:16] <Abequinn> sigh
[02:16] <IntelCore> unity doesnt like managers. gnome manager -- tool for gdm, will hang unity
[02:17] <wannabej> Abequinn: whats the sound issue?
[02:17] <Abequinn> low quality, sounds like i'm covering the speaker all the time
[02:17] <Sakara> How would I setup 8 montitors plugged into two discreat nVidia GPU's without using an external manager?
[02:18] <Abequinn> im trying to use alsamixer to fix it but i have no idea how to use it
[02:18] <Abequinn> (if i even need to)
[02:19] <IntelCore> Sakara there are pro vide equipment to do that
[02:19] <wannabej> Abequinn: run this, lspci | grep Audio
[02:20] <Abequinn> 00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT HD Audio Controller (rev 09)
[02:20] <Abequinn> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 8 Series HD Audio Controller (rev 04)
[02:21] <Sakara> I've got 2x nvidia NVS 510  + 8x DELL U2414H  thats all.  This setup "works" on Windows (applications move around the screens when the screens power down overnight).
[02:21] <Sakara> When I have only montiros plugged into one card Unity works perfectly.
[02:22] <Sakara> When I have monitors in both cards lightdm works perfectly.  Any ideas where I can look to understand why unity is failing to launch?
[02:22] <Sakara> I see nothing in `journalctl -f`
[02:22] <wannabej> Abequinn: let me poke around a bit
[02:23] <Abequinn> ok...
[02:23] <wannabej> Latest version of ubuntu?
[02:23] <Abequinn> yes 17.04
[02:24] <Abequinn> and updated like 2 hours ago
[02:24] <wannabej> Same issue on earlier version?
[02:24] <Abequinn> yes
[02:25] <wannabej> which macbook air again?
[02:26] <Abequinn> MacBookAir6-1
[02:30] <Loshki> IntelCore: good Managers don't like Unity...
[02:38] <IntelCore> Sakara - I think use lightdm
[02:39] <IntelCore> Loshki - idk. secure linux and business enterprise.  I meant desktop managers..
[02:40] <IntelCore> I have seen some come here in unity and it is more rigid itself
[02:41] <IntelCore> Sakara - wall make with video controller
[02:43] <IntelCore> Official Ubuntu Support Channel | IRC Guidelines: http://ubottu.com/y/gl | This channel supports Ubuntu and its official flavors, versions 14.04, 16.04, 16.10, 17.04
[02:56] <jennie> hello, i have these files in a directory, they all start with 'libs'. how do i delete them ? Please help me
[02:56] <psychoticwarrior> how to run fluxbox on ubuntu 17.04.
[02:56] <psychoticwarrior> ?
[02:57] <Abequinn> wannabej: hmm
[02:59] <Bashing-om> jennie: Explain, as we do not want to help you break your system . libraries may not be something to mess about with .
[02:59] <psychoticwarrior> agreed
[03:02] <SudoSpark> I have a question, I'm running GPU passthrough with Ubuntu 17.04 as host and it has been working until a reboot now I'm getting this error. Any help would be great. "qemu-system-x86_64: -device vfio-pci,host=04:00.0,multifunction=on: vfio error: 0000:04:00.0: failed to open /dev/vfio/17: No such file or directory"
[03:28] <fishbowlkraken> Okay, so here's a thing
[03:28] <fishbowlkraken> I've been faffing around with different kernels, and I found out that there is one that changes the clockspeed of my card
[03:28] <fishbowlkraken> If I install the LowLatency kernel, it takes my card from 135MHz to 33MHz.
[03:29] <fishbowlkraken> So now instead of a 90% reduction in graphical performance, I have a 97% one!
[03:29] <fishbowlkraken> Progress?
[03:30] <fishbowlkraken> It's interesting, because 33MHz is slower than the minimum governor
[03:31] <fishbowlkraken> welp, off I go
[03:38] <IntelCore> z80 were fun
[03:39] <IntelCore> punchcards ?
[04:00] <IntelCore> note:  tried to tar a file on command line.. would not.  had to Archive manager to get it done
[04:01] <IntelCore> this screen activity - took off the top bar of firefox, so I had to use file>quit to exit the browser
[04:01] <IntelCore> this has beet 2x now
[04:02] <schultza> Does Systemd track pids of services if I make a script, or do I need to have the script save a pid file?
[04:02] <IntelCore> logs
[04:03] <IntelCore> executables run - pid
[04:04] <pavlos> IntelCore: tar -cvf output.tar /somedir
[04:05] <schultza> IntelCore: I hate short answers. Executables do turn into running programs with a PID. But do I have to capture it, or does SystemD know what to kill when i issue a stop command?
[04:05] <schultza> pavlos: thank you. :)
[04:06] <IntelCore> you kill a number
[04:07]  * schultza types in /ignore IntelCore
[04:07] <IntelCore> u have to find pid to kill.
[04:07] <schultza> anyone else?
[04:07] <schultza> How do I tell the script to capture the PID?
[04:08] <IntelCore> try #bash?
[04:16] <spider_x> schultza: can't you use ps aux and grep to fetch the PID of a specific program?
[04:18] <schultza> spider_x: was thinking of that. Just trying to make sure I get it rig ht, y'know before scripting it.
[04:19] <schultza> er.. automatically doing it
[04:19] <spider_x> Well, if it works in terminal it should work in a bash script, you just might want to save the result on a variable or an array if you have more than one.
[04:20] <schultza> For this systemd service i am making should be only one occurance.
[04:25] <arooni> anyone here using tmux?  is there a way to have different sized fonts per window?
[04:54] <Sakara> IntelCore: I gave up with Unity. I've managed to get awesome window manager to show all 8 screens.
[04:54] <Sakara> Going to just use that for now.
[05:00] <Osirus126> hey guys and gals. im trying to pass a flag("--oidentd") to a program (quasselcore) that is setup as a service. is there anyone who can help?
[05:01] <IntelCore> where is foxfire insyalled?  So i can tell another prog to use it?
[05:04] <IntelCore> Sakara - I like video, nle, and DJ, Great to hear !
[05:04] <squinty> IntelCore,   in terminal type   which <program name>   therefore   which firefox
[05:04] <IntelCore> which ! ahhh ha!
[05:05] <IntelCore> ty
[05:05] <squinty> yw
[05:10] <_unreal_> damn 169 days up time and the update I just did wants me to reboot my cubox :(
[05:14] <notTechtronic> i'm trying to create a linux virtual machine using virtualbox but the windows disc image burner says the ubuntu iso isn't valid and virtualbox says "Could not get the storage format of the medium"
[05:15] <notTechtronic> i got ubuntu from the official site
[05:17] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | notTechtronic
[05:26] <thomedy> hello
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> thomedy: welcome, what can we do for you?
[05:28] <thomedy> i sshd into my server and ran play
[05:28] <thomedy> it worked on my server
[05:28] <thomedy> but when i remote it doesn't happen
[05:29] <thomedy> im not getting my playback remote
[05:29] <thomedy> to be clear im talking about sox and play
[05:30] <thomedy> im wondering if i run sox or play as a cgi in my server if the media can play through the markup
[05:31] <linocisco> hi all, I have urgent question, how to edit pdf, save changes
[05:31] <linocisco> ?
[05:34] <linocisco> hi all, I have urgent question, how to edit pdf, save changes ?
[05:43] <IntelCore> A feed reader RssOwl, is says I need some files.  no swt-gnome-gtk in java.library.path
[05:43] <senaps> hi, i have a ssl configured on my server. does changing date/time in the server, make ssl fail?
[05:48] <ayogi> hi guys, how can we configure static DNS in ubuntu-16.04
[05:48] <ayogi> such that when a machine reboots the same dns is set, and it does not asks dhcp for the details
[05:50] <sirru5h> one sec ayogi
[05:50] <IntelCore> swt-gnome-gtk  ?
[05:51] <sirru5h> is this a server btw ayogi
[05:53] <IntelCore> static dns is your dns server on that machine
[05:53] <IntelCore> you may install your own dns
[05:53] <ayogi> sirru5h, yeah it's a ubuntu server setup inside a vpc
[05:54] <ayogi> i have configured a custom dns which has a static ip
[05:54] <ayogi> and i want the instances running inside the vpc to use that dns
[05:54] <sirru5h> https://michael.mckinnon.id.au/2016/05/05/configuring-ubuntu-16-04-static-ip-address/
[05:54] <ayogi> but every time the machine reboots, its dns gets set to a default dns
[05:54] <sirru5h> give that a look ayogi also don't forget to make a backup
[05:55] <sirru5h> like with cp not mv
[05:55] <IntelCore> reboots - on dynamic ip?
[05:56] <IntelCore> if a ip is paid, you get dns?
[05:57] <IntelCore> so, does it default to those
[05:57] <ayogi> sirru5h, IntelCore also i have one doubt. how does a machine when comes up inside a vpc sets its gateway and dns?
[05:58] <ayogi> does a machine broadcast the dhcp request and then the dhcp server replies with the gateway, dns settings?
[05:59] <IntelCore> i know my gateway is from isp on my cable box
[06:00] <IntelCore> with home10, i can try ubuntu/apache
[06:00] <sirru5h> pretty much a machine sends a broadcast then the dhcp server responds giving the config for the gw and dns server
[06:01] <sirru5h> if you ever seen it on say tcpdump thats about what it shows really helps one understand protocols
[06:01] <IntelCore> u know home10, can't run server.. so it says
[06:02] <sirru5h> IntelCore, like home isp lines are usually a bit filtered
[06:02] <YankDownUnder> ...NOT an MS Windows channel...hmm...
[06:02] <IntelCore> crappy
[06:03] <sirru5h> I wouldn't run one on a home connection you maybe able to get away with it but business lines are a bit umm better for work things I learned that the hard way
[06:04] <IntelCore> swt-gnome-gtk  --- this is updated for 17 but 16.04 doesnt has it
[06:04] <sirru5h> IntelCore, I been too scared to go to win10.. I got win for my work machine which it mainly runs my linux vms
[06:05] <IntelCore>  confesses .  have bash on mine
[06:05] <YankDownUnder> Running a "home based" server, one opens themselves up to lots of external attacks...even something as simple as an email server...hmm...
[06:06] <IntelCore> well.. line out is a line. just "Live:wares"
[06:07] <sirru5h> YankDownUnder, is very right
[06:08] <IntelCore> that gtk was in Trusty, not in Xenial, and got put back on vers 17
[06:09] <sirru5h> although YankDownUnder it's a great learning experience on everything from setting up a server to IR and then DFIR :P
[06:10] <sirru5h> and rootkit hunting then followed by re-installing
[06:11] <mcoder> This command does output after regex, but when adding the pipe to sort, there is nothing.  What am I doing wrong?  journalctl -f -n 5000 -u aservice | egrep -io "[0-9]+\.[0-9]+" | sort -u
[06:13] <IntelCore> https://coffeeorientedprogramming.com/2014/10/27/how-to-tell-if-you-are-running-eclipse-on-gtk2-or-on-gtk3/
[06:14] <IntelCore> mcoder - you need "compdoc" a scripter from way back
[06:17] <darthho0> Hey I have a 6700 and ubuntu keeps freezing on me
[06:17] <YankDownUnder> mcoder, The "-f" means to "follow" - is that what you're wanting to do? (Follow - as in read the journal AS it's happening)
[06:18] <YankDownUnder> darthho0, Um...what's a 6700?
[06:19] <mcoder> Oh man thanks... Yes I was following for something else, but then let it leak in the example above.  So the SDOUT was messed up.  It works, thanks.
[06:20] <YankDownUnder> mcoder, Easy peasey.
[06:21] <IntelCore> https://tinyurl.com/ycf276ba  -- you see all these ppl with problen because gnome-gtk was missing in distro !!!
[06:22] <IntelCore> from lik 12.04 the distro .. some have, some dont
[06:26] <pynki> based on your expiriences: how often will the "automatic security update" feature make the ubuntu server unusable?
[06:31] <IntelCore> can't you select when - to install
[06:32] <IntelCore> I can check daily for updates, or not
[06:32] <ducasse> pynki: can't recall it happening at all, actually
[06:33] <IntelCore> set a ticmark..
[06:33] <IntelCore> * no gnome-gtk here boss, universal?
[06:36] <YankDownUnder> pynki, Unusable? In what manner...?
[06:36] <darthho0> YankDownUnder, my processor
[06:38] <YankDownUnder> darthho0, Motorola 6700? WOW! ;)
[06:41] <ducasse> darthho0: we need more details than that
[06:45] <darthho0> ducasse YankDownUnder a intel 6700 lol... wow. what details do you need
[06:47] <ducasse> darthho0: start with what system you're running, under what conditions the freezes happen, do you have any logs etc
[06:47] <darthho0> ducasse it's mostly when intensive apps are running
[06:47] <darthho0> ubuntu 16.04
[06:48] <darthho0> how do I get a log?
[06:50] <ducasse> darthho0: which kernel are you running? 'uname -r'
[06:58] <squig> Hi ubuntu my / is corrupt, but the old way I would have booted into single user mode and ran fsck doesnt work
[06:58] <squig> I am in the grub boot menu but what do I type these days?
[06:58] <squig> I am on 16.04
[07:00] <hateball> squig: you should have an alternative that says recovery
[07:00] <FMan> 42 packages can be updated - wat do
[07:01] <laceylaney> FMan: you could run sudo apt upgrade from a terminal to update those packages...
[07:01] <FMan> that might be one course of action moving forward from here
[07:01] <squig> hateball: yeah nah, I dont, but I figured it out add single to the linux boot option
[07:02] <pavlos> squig: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[07:02] <hateball> squig: sure, just edit the boot line and append it after "quiet splash" or whatever you have
[07:03] <IntelCore> I need this - /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnomevfs-2.so.0  to go to /home/usr/.swt/lib/linux/x86_64/libswt-gnome-gtk-3735.so: libgnomevfs-2.so.0  please
[07:03] <hateball> squig: but like pavlos linked, you need to remount rw etc
[07:03] <laceylaney> Anyone know how I can easily map #hashtag symbol to a key on my keyboard ??
[07:03] <squig> yeah fscking now
[07:04] <hateball> laceylaney: to a dedicated key, rather than say... shift+3 ?
[07:05] <ducasse> FMan: use 'apt full-upgrade', not just 'upgrade'
[07:05] <pynki> YankDownUnder, lets say i have X services running on the server, when one of them stops i would say the server is unusable. like updateting openssl would braek all of them for example - you do not want that to happen when something installs itself automatically
[07:06] <laceylaney> I'm using a mac keyboard and don't have #hashtag symbol so I'm looking to add it to something like shift+3
[07:06] <hateball> laceylaney: use xmodmap
[07:06] <ducasse> actually, xmodmap is deprecated by the xkb extensions now
[07:07] <IntelCore> I got the files. for java, but the program I have wants them in a path
[07:07] <laceylaney> so should I use xkb now ??
[07:08] <ducasse> laceylaney: setxkbmap and xkbcomp. i think i have a guide somewhere if you hang on a minute.
[07:08] <pavlos> IntelCore: you could create a symbolic link ... ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnomevfs-2.so.0  DESTINATION
[07:08] <FMan> how about apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:08] <hateball> FMan: it performs the same action as apt full-upgrade
[07:09] <hateball> just that apt is nicer than apt-get
[07:09] <ducasse> laceylaney: this also has further links - http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/xkb_remap/
[07:10] <IntelCore> file libgnomevfs-2.so.0  is installed, but swt-gnome-gtk-3735.so I am hunting for
[07:10] <FMan> ok, thanks!
[07:11] <laceylaney> ducasse: Thank you very much for the link. Reading through it now :-)
[07:15] <IntelCore> pavlos - do I use word destination?
[07:18] <ducasse> IntelCore: you put the actual destination you want there
[07:18] <IntelCore> yah ok yah
[07:20] <IntelCore> synaptic pkg mgr - : libswt-gtk-3-java (3.8.2-3) is equal to.. libswt-gnome-gtk-3735.so ??
[07:22] <IntelCore> libswt-gnome-gtk-3-jni  also here
[07:22] <IntelCore> but no .so files
[07:27] <IntelCore> -classpath /usr/lib64/eclipse/swt.jar:. Test  (fails to load my files) an Eclipse bug. in Ubuntu 16.04 - missing java-gnome gtk
[07:28] <IntelCore> no swt-gnome-gtk-3735 in java.library.path
[07:28] <IntelCore> 	no swt-gnome-gtk in java.library.path
[07:28] <ducasse> IntelCore: are you using eclipse from the ubuntu repos?
[07:29] <IntelCore> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=746425
[07:30] <IntelCore> yes i dl installed eclipse apt-got
[07:31] <IntelCore> 2 files - libswt-gnome-gtk-3735.so: libgnomevfs-2.so.0
[07:31] <IntelCore> the first might be depricated
[07:33] <IntelCore> no swt-gnome-gtk in java.library.path
[07:34] <IntelCore> i do not have the first file, after both openjre, and oracleJre install. but is openJre in use.
[07:35] <IntelCore> the 2nd file is in many places in this pc
[07:36] <IntelCore> libswt-gnome-gtk-3-jni is installed
[07:37] <banyantree> hi guys, my systemclt status is deprecated. How can i display only the failed units?
[07:38] <banyantree> oh degraded not deprecated
[07:39] <ducasse> banyantree: systemctl --failed
[07:39] <banyantree> thx
[07:40] <IntelCore> Files contained in org.eclipse.swt.gtk.linux.x86_3.7.0.v3735b.jar
[07:40] <IntelCore> it can be found in that eclipse
[07:43] <IntelCore> it is a file 2,100k large
[07:43] <IntelCore> http://www.java2s.com/Code/Jar/o/Downloadorgeclipseswtgtklinuxx86370v3735bjar.htm
[07:43] <IntelCore> it is x86
[07:53] <IntelCore> SWT uses the native widgets of the platform whenever possible. The native widgets of the OS are accessed by the SWT framework via the Java Native Interface (JNI) framework. JNI enables Java code running in a Java Virtual Machine (JVM) to call, and to be called by, native applications and libraries written in other languages
[07:54] <IntelCore> there not an swt ubuntu that my other prog wants
[07:55] <IntelCore> uhmm but, it will be in ubuntu 17 as it just updated
[07:55] <IntelCore> did you get an update?
[07:56] <IntelCore> is it security risk ?
[07:57] <IntelCore> why the gnome swt got missed?
[08:01] <IntelCore> Beginning in Firefox version 52, support for NPAPI plugins in Firefox has ended, except for Adobe Flash. Some of the plugins that will no longer load include Java, Microsoft Silverlight and Adobe Acrobat.
[08:05] <YankDownUnder> Flash and java, silverlight - all dangerous.
[08:09] <\9> is there anyone still actually using the acrobat plugin? i mean everything has built-in pdf support nowadays
[08:25] <sirru5h> \9, Yes I had a person who was using a OSX machine and after poking around I found flash amongst apache running and a few other things
[08:26] <sirru5h> I don't think granma runs a server when I asked her she didn't know why anything was running turns out all filesharing and websharing was on as well as flash
[08:27] <YankDownUnder> OSX server would have those functions...unless some web-development stuff was installed.
[08:28] <sirru5h> she had originally installed it for bridge which acutally is run on the nursing homes networks so residents can play from their rooms
[08:28] <sirru5h> YankDownUnder,  I found out that is how webshare and file share is done via apache
[08:29] <sirru5h> it actually comes pre-installed on OSX 10.5.8 iirc that's what she had
[08:29] <sirru5h> trust me I had to do some asking around on the mac channel here to figure it out there was no documentation on this via google
[08:29] <YankDownUnder> Nan's a crim! A pirate!
[08:30] <sirru5h> haha
[08:31] <sirru5h> ha! maybe she is starting a new torrent site or something but flipped off the web/file sharing and no more apache
[08:31] <IntelCore> ok, I went after an RSS reader.  I liked NewsFeed.  this RSSOwl program is same almost.  But, gave a Java swt error
[08:32] <IntelCore> I found I had no java
[08:32] <IntelCore> I learnt about alot.. and found the files
[08:33] <IntelCore> idk if it will all work
[08:33] <IntelCore> not done yet
[08:37] <sirru5h> if it doesn't work you may want to reconigure the package so everything is pointing to the proper sources
[08:40] <sirru5h> brb
[08:41] <anchnk> hi, I am behind a corporate proxy and trying to update package lists throw me an http 407 error code (authen required) only for PPAs any ideas how to fix it ?
[08:41] <anchnk> I am using cntlm as my corporate proxy is an NTLM with authentication
[08:44] <luis30> anyone now how to reboot the sound card in ubuntu
[08:44] <luis30> like restart it..
[08:45] <hateball> luis30: "pulseaudio -k"
[08:46] <luis30> thanks
[09:05] <TomyWork> I'm currently installing updates after a vacation. now every time i open a new terminal, it says "groups: cannot find name for group ID 10000" plus a few more with other ids >= 10000
[09:05] <TomyWork> i'm using ldap login, so i'm a bit concerned about whether or not i will still be able to log in after i reboot
[09:06] <TomyWork> also, i can't sudo right now, which points in that direction
[09:07] <Aginor> TomyWork: it sounds like you've lost the ldap/AD connection
[09:07] <Aginor> TomyWork: unless you've got credentials caching set up, you're not going to have a good time
[09:07] <TomyWork> shouldnt groups be cached?
[09:07] <TomyWork> i do, but i'm not sure if that cache survives a restart
[09:07] <Aginor> TomyWork: it depends on your setup (I'm not an expert)
[09:09] <TomyWork> oh well, i know how to make sure i can log in without a password, so i'll do that, as a precaution
[09:11] <madsj> is there any big gain over selinux compared to apparmor?
[09:13] <Groar> madsj: It depends on where you're setting it up
[09:13] <madsj> cgroups, capability etc. are concepts that are fairly new to me
[09:14] <madsj> Groar: I have a droplet where I've experimented a bit with it; the droplet has nginx and postgresql running.
[09:14] <Groar> madsj: If you work in a bank and need a strong protection, Apparmor might not be enough because it works in a different way than selinux. I mean, it works with addresses, not with tags in files
[09:15] <madsj> ok, but for an average joe, apparmor seems to be more than enough?
[09:16] <Groar> madsj: Sure, works fine, is not than unsafe, it's just it may not be enough for a big company where EVERYTHING must be completely shielded
[09:17] <Groar> Funny fact: selinux comes by default on android devices (heh)
[09:19] <madsj> I didn't know :) In Denmark, MobilePay (possibility to send money using a phone number) is quite popular.
[09:20] <Groar> iirc, a problem with apparmor is that after setting a policy for an address, if the address of that app changes, the new app won't be detected by apparmor profiles. I think there was a way to solve it, but just wanted you to know what kind of differences I was refering to
[09:20] <h0par> hi
[09:23] <madsj> Groar: both AppArmor and SELinux are new to me, including related concepts such as cgroups.
[09:24] <TomyWork> Aginor phew, sudo works again after the update concluded
[09:24] <TomyWork> this shouldnt be so fragile
[09:25] <ikonia> it's not fragile
[09:32] <Saichovsky> .
[09:32] <Saichovsky> Hey people
[09:32] <Saichovsky> I'm running 16.04 on a MacBook pro
[09:32] <Saichovsky> It's booting to a black screen
[09:32] <ducasse> !nomodeset | Saichovsky
[09:33] <Aginor> TomyWork: I'm glad you got it sorted
[09:33] <Saichovsky> ducasse: should I prepend the ! in grub?
[09:34] <EriC^^> Saichovsky: check the link ubottu gave
[09:35] <Saichovsky> Thanks ubottu
[09:35] <Saichovsky> And EriC^^
[09:38] <thinker> hi
[09:38] <thinker> can i put grsecurity instead of app armor ? as a mac
[09:39] <ikonia> grsecurity requires patches
[09:39] <ikonia> I'm %99 sure the components shipped by ubuntu (and most linux distribtuions) don't have the required patches applied by default
[10:12] <TomyWork> ikonia if my power fails or any of the package throw an error and dpkg exits with half-installed packages, i end up with a system i cannot log into.
[10:12] <TomyWork> what do you call that?
[10:13] <TomyWork> packages*
[10:19] <ikonia> TomyWork: thats just not true though is it
[10:19] <ikonia> TomyWork: if the apache package throws an error/fails to configure, that doesn't stop you logging in
[10:19] <ikonia> so please, try to be realistic in what you're saying and not through a drama net of false information into the channel
[10:30] <TomyWork> ikonia i could be wrong, yeah
[10:30] <sirru5h> Howdy Everyone
[10:31] <ikonia> you are wrong
[10:31] <TomyWork> but i couldnt log in while dpkg was installing all kinds of packages, nothing samba-related, that is a fact
[10:31] <TomyWork> i assume there was a samba update that hadnt gone through the configure stage yet
[10:32] <ikonia> TomyWork: samba is nothing to do with auth
[10:32] <ikonia> and why don't you look at the logs to see why your auth failed
[10:32] <ikonia> rather than these blanket nonsense statements
[10:32] <TomyWork> ikonia alright, i'll do that
[10:32] <ikonia> thank you
[10:33] <ikonia> you'll get a lot better help and input/feedback if you actually try to work with people than making nonsense drama statements
[10:33] <thinker> ikonia: ?
[10:33] <ikonia> thinker: what ?
[10:33] <thinker> how do I config edit my normal kernel
[10:33] <TomyWork> he thinks i'm exaggerating
[10:34] <ikonia> you don't
[10:34] <ikonia> TomyWork: I don't think you are, I know you are
[10:34] <thinker> to harden it, can i do it, without apparmor
[10:34] <ikonia> thinker: you don't need to touch your kernel to use apparmor
[10:34] <thinker> what does it actually "mean" to harden a kernel
[10:34] <ikonia> thinker: you don't need to do anything to your kernel
[10:34] <thinker> so mac does it for me ?
[10:35] <ikonia> thinker: no, look enough with this, you've just had this conversation in archlinux where you made a fool of yourself, lets not start here, you've been told how this works,
[10:35] <thinker> ikonia: ok, but what does it mean? what's the difference between config option and mac, and also patches
[10:35] <ikonia> thinker: if you have specific ubuntu question, please ask
[10:35] <brainybones> Hi guys, I'm completely new to linux and doing a trial by fire. I've created a VM with Ubuntu on it, and I've managed to install teamspeak via the terminal run it. I've used sudo apt-get to install jack but I don't know how to then open it up/configure it.
[10:35] <thinker> ikonia: oh no , I haven't been told
[10:36] <ikonia> !jack | brainybones
[10:36] <ikonia> thinker: you have, stop being silly please
[10:36] <thinker> when I asked this same question, i got no reply look the logs
[10:36] <ikonia> thinker: what OS are you using
[10:37] <ikonia> 10:36 < thinker> no I gave up ubuntu recently
[10:38] <ikonia> thinker: lets stop messing around, you're not using ubuntu, you're looking silly in #archlinux, so lets not continue this please.
[10:38] <brainybones> Thanks ikonia
[10:39] <thinker> ok, i do use both currently, one on laptop and one on desktop
[10:39] <thinker> so no
[10:40] <TomyWork> ikonia http://paste.ubuntu.com/24701706/
[10:41] <ikonia> TomyWork: ok, so pam couldn't auth against it's target
[10:41] <ikonia> what is it authing against
[10:41] <TomyWork> a windows domain controller, ultimately
[10:41] <ikonia> TomyWork: how is the auth being configured
[10:43] <TomyWork> ikonia i forgot how it's set up. where do i look that up?
[10:43] <ikonia> TomyWork: I'm guessing it's sssd ?
[10:43] <ikonia> that would be the most common
[10:43] <brainybones> ikonia, in the installation instructions for qjackctl it says to configure prefix; what variable is it referring to/
[10:43] <TomyWork> i dont know, i tried a bunch of different ways
[10:43] <brainybones> *?
[10:43] <exxi> in ubuntu server after recent update, can't install openssh-server
[10:44] <exxi> anyone knows the fix ? it's happening for me across all the ubuntu servers
[10:44] <ikonia> brainybones: I'd need context
[10:44] <TomyWork> not necessarily on this machine though... which is why i dont know :)
[10:44] <ikonia> exxi: what is the problem
[10:44] <exxi> complains about hash sum mismatch
[10:44] <TomyWork> service sssd does not exist, so i guess it's not sssd
[10:44] <TomyWork> ah, it's pam_winbind
[10:45] <exxi> ikonia: while doing sudo apt-get upgrade; while installing openssh-client it says hash sum mismatch and than aborts
[10:45] <ikonia> TomyWork: hard to say then, I'm going to guess (and this is just a guess) that you a.) have a bad caching config for sssd as the default is short b.) the updates you had installed had a dependency to stop/restart the auth service and you couldn't login while that auth service was down
[10:45] <ikonia> or a variation of that
[10:45] <brainybones> ikonia: ./configure [--prefix=prefix] I put that into the terminal and got configure: error: invalid variable name: '[--prefix'
[10:45] <ikonia> exxi: what repo
[10:45] <exxi> this is the addr
[10:45] <TomyWork> afaik, winbind is part of samba
[10:45] <exxi> http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openssh/openssh-client*
[10:46] <TomyWork> which is why i was suspecting the samba update
[10:46] <ikonia> exxi: apt-get update first
[10:46] <exxi> done
[10:46] <ikonia> TomyWork: that sounds logical
[10:46] <TomyWork> thanks for acknowledging :)
[10:46] <ikonia> exxi: so either that mirror is out of sync, it's not coming from that repo, or there is a man in the middle
[10:46] <ikonia> TomyWork: that doesn't mean it's fragile
[10:46] <exxi> ikonia: so what i am suppose to do now, means my next step ?
[10:47] <exxi> can i chnage .in to .com ?
[10:47] <ikonia> that just means you have a non-existant/poor caching of credentials, and your auth service went down while an update was processed
[10:47] <ikonia> thats pretty reasonable
[10:47] <ikonia> exxi: you could try another repo yes
[10:47] <exxi> ikonia: ok replace .in with .com
[10:47] <exxi> hope that works
[10:47] <TomyWork> i think the main problem is that i had to follow a tutorial in some wiki to set this up and that it's not a checkbox in the installer or a tool that sets it up for me
[10:47] <oerheks_> exxi, kanpur is 2 days behind, madras uni is up2date https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[10:47] <earnestly> brainybones: [] around flags and options are a simple notation that indicates they are optional
[10:48] <ikonia> TomyWork: so you've blindly followedd a third party guide, and you don't really know how it works yourself
[10:48] <TomyWork> it's this: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/samba_winbind
[10:48] <ikonia> TomyWork: I don't know that guide
[10:48] <brainybones> earnestly: Ah, thank you
[10:49] <TomyWork> ikonia i'd be happy to use the standard ubuntu way, if that existed and worked
[10:49] <ikonia> TomyWork: what are you talking about, "the standard ubuntu way"
[10:49] <TomyWork> i'm on trusty btw, if that makes a difference
[10:49] <ikonia> TomyWork: there are many ways to authenticate against extenal sources, the key is using the one thats right for you
[10:49] <indicator> I'm trying to boot from a manually-partitioned disk with encrypted root (/boot isn't encrypted).  I'm not using the standard LVM setup because I was having some trouble with LVM.  The problem is that command blkid does not see my luksOpen'ed /dev/mapper/root
[10:50] <indicator> Any idea why that might be?
[10:50] <TomyWork> ikonia the standard ubuntu way to log in versus a windows domain, with credential caching
[10:50] <indicator> I can mount /dev/mapper/root fine myself
[10:50] <ikonia> TomyWork: what standard ubuntu way ?
[10:50] <ikonia> TomyWork: what are you talking about
[10:50] <TomyWork> yeah exactly
[10:50] <TomyWork> there is none
[10:50] <TomyWork> that i can identify
[10:51] <ikonia> there are many as I've just said
[10:51] <ikonia> you pick the one thats right for your needs
[10:51] <indicator> but script cryptroot fails to because it tries to use blkid to find the filesystem type, and blkid says "what's this /dev/mapper/root you're talking about?" and exits 2
[10:51] <TomyWork> yes and that is a problem, do you understand that?
[10:51] <ikonia> thats not a problem
[10:51] <TomyWork> yes it is
[10:51] <ikonia> that is a "good" thing
[10:51] <TomyWork> then why is there a standard way for unix logins?
[10:51] <ikonia> TomyWork: what ?
[10:51] <ikonia> what standard way for unix logins
[10:51] <TomyWork> or a standard way for installing a kernel
[10:52] <ikonia> what are you talking about
[10:52] <ikonia> there isn't a standard way for installing a kernel, different distros do it different
[10:52] <ikonia> what are you talking about
[10:52] <ikonia> how to auth against multiple back ends with multiple technologies, is quite different than installing a kernel
[10:52] <TomyWork> you're not trying to follow. i can't do anything about that.
[10:52] <ikonia> I am trying to follow, you're not making sense
[10:52] <TomyWork> ping me once you change that attitude
[10:53] <TomyWork> ikonia ok multiple technologies. i'm talking about one specific technology
[10:53] <ikonia> TomyWork: no, lets turn that around, I engage with you because you where making false/blanket drama statements
[10:53] <ikonia> TomyWork: which technology
[10:53] <TomyWork> Active Directory
[10:53] <ikonia> TomyWork: ok, what version of the AD schema
[10:53] <TomyWork> why is that important
[10:53] <ikonia> because it changes the way it auths
[10:53] <brainybones> Earnestly, When I run ./configure in the extracted qjackctl folder I am getting an error: qmake-qt5 not found in current PATH. Maybe QT Development environment isn't available. (qt5-devel)
[10:54] <ikonia> hence why there are MANY ways, because the back end technologies differ
[10:54] <ikonia> brainybones: is there not a ready made package for qjackctl ?
[10:54] <TomyWork> ok let's compare to windows. do i need to know that information in order to add a windows machine to a domain?
[10:54] <ikonia> TomyWork: you're not using windows
[10:54] <ikonia> TomyWork: windows has it's own auth setup that is not open souce
[10:54] <brainybones> ikonia: I'm not sure; would I use sudo apt-get to find one?
[10:54] <ikonia> TomyWork: and yes, it can matter with windows, eg: windows AD 2016 is not compatible with windows 2008 for replication, so it does matter
[10:55] <TomyWork> well of course, but i am talking about clients, not additional domain controllers
[10:55] <ikonia> TomyWork: so stop trying to be smart and create a problem, when the real problem is you don't understand how things work and you're trying to be defensive
[10:55] <TomyWork> yeah i dont know how this stuff works
[10:55] <ikonia> agreed
[10:55] <TomyWork> why do i have to, that is my point
[10:55] <TomyWork> you're saying i need to know how this stuff works, i'm saying it should be made simple
[10:56] <ikonia> TomyWork: you don't have to, however, that means you don't get to make false information
[10:56] <ikonia> TomyWork: it's not simple, microsoft is a propritary solution, and how you integrate with it has a few options, you need to pick the best one for you, which means you need to understand how it works at a basic level
[10:57] <TomyWork> ikonia ok maybe we're not operating from the same premises here
[10:58] <ikonia> I don't know what your premise is
[10:58] <TomyWork> ikonia do you want more people to use linux?
[10:58] <ikonia> TomyWork: I don't care how many people use linux
[10:58] <TomyWork> do you think that is a good thing
[10:58] <ikonia> do I think what is a good thing /
[10:58] <TomyWork> ok there is the problem
[10:58] <ikonia> there is no problem
[10:58] <exxi> ikonia:  AND oerheks_ looks like changing from .in to .com worked
[10:58] <exxi> thanks
[10:59] <oerheks_> exxi, have fun
[11:00] <TomyWork> ikonia if you're not operating from that same premise, i can see why you dont see an issue with having to manually fiddle with config files in order to authenticate against a windows domain
[11:00] <TomyWork> so let's just agree to disagree
[11:01] <oerheks_> TomyWork, if it is not sssd, find out what service?
[11:01] <ikonia> what ?
[11:01] <ikonia> you're just making things up
[11:01] <TomyWork> oerheks_ winbind
[11:02] <TomyWork> ikonia now i dont know what you're talking about. which part do you think i made up?
[11:02] <IntelCore> you know where in files you can set added property/args to run them??  how to do that in Ubuntu pls.
[11:02] <ikonia> TomyWork: that I think messing with config files is fine
[11:03] <TomyWork> IntelCore which application are you talking about?
[11:03] <TomyWork> ikonia ok, i dont think that messing with config files is fine either
[11:03] <IntelCore> I got an executable needs add start- properties
[11:03] <oerheks_> i think ikonia knows 17x more about services than me, but i had success with https://www.server-world.info/en/note?os=Ubuntu_16.04&p=samba&f=3
[11:04] <oerheks_> it is manually working with config files, there is no automated installation
[11:04] <TomyWork> if i got that right now. your last statement was a bit ambiguous
[11:04] <Alfro_> Hi, I am having an issue when recording a pulseaudio input. During the recording, changing the default audio source on the unity-control-center also changes the recording input. I am NOT using the default input, but specifying one. Is this expected behaviour?
[11:04] <IntelCore> TomyWork - this not a system start-up program
[11:05] <TomyWork> oerheks_ well he basically scalded me for using info from a big german 3rd-party ubuntu wiki.
[11:05] <exxi> oerheks_: can't install openssh-server pacakge
[11:05] <exxi> says
[11:05] <exxi> package openssh-server is not available, but is referred to by anohter package. This may mean that the package is missing has been obsoleted or is only available from another source
[11:06] <TomyWork> IntelCore i dont understand. do you want to run an application when the system boots?
[11:06] <bonsaitree> Is there a fix for the frequent internet connection drops (on both LAN and Wi-Fi) on 17.04? This is annoying. Thanks in advance.
[11:06] <oerheks_> !info openssh-server
[11:06] <bonsaitree> I have tried this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/905283/wifi-issue-with-ubuntu-17-04
[11:06] <bonsaitree> Without success on fixing it
[11:06] <oerheks_> exxi, it should be available .. can you pastebin the output on paste.ubuntu.com?
[11:07] <exxi> oerheks_: sure
[11:08] <exxi> oerheks_: is their a cli tool from where i can export the output ?
[11:08] <oerheks_> !pastebinit
[11:12] <TomyWork> anyway, rebooting to apply kernel updates
[11:20] <ayogi> guys, what does "iface lo inet loopback" mean
[11:21] <ayogi> i am seeing this in "/etc/network/interfaces"
[11:21] <ppf> !loopback
[11:21] <hateball> ayogi: this explains it quite well https://askubuntu.com/questions/247625/what-is-the-loopback-device-and-how-do-i-use-it
[11:22] <ayogi> my machine gets its dns and gateway setting set automatically when it boots up
[11:22] <ayogi> but i am not seeing any dhcp settings
[11:22] <ppf> network-manager takes care of interfaces not managed through the interfaces file
[11:23] <ayogi> in /etc/network/interfaces following lines are present: auto lo
[11:23] <ayogi> iface lo inet loopback
[11:23] <ayogi> source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*.cfg
[11:23] <ayogi> how can i configure network-manager, for static dns
[11:24] <hateball> ayogi: Through GUI or CLI?
[11:24] <ppf> it's the networky icon to the top right
[11:24] <ayogi> so where are the settings for eth0 interface. ppf ?
[11:24] <ppf> both on the login screen as well as in the graphical session
[11:25] <ppf> it's usually name something like "Auto ethernet"
[11:25] <ayogi> it's a server machine, w/o any GUI
[11:25] <ppf> okay
[11:25] <ppf> then just configure it through /etc/interfaces
[11:26] <ayogi> is network-manager not present in server machine? then how eth0 interface is configured?
[11:26] <ppf> it is present and the default
[11:27] <ppf> but it's easier to just configure interfaces
[11:27] <ayogi> how can i see the network-manager process, i did "ps aux | grep network-manger" but nothing comes up
[11:28] <ayogi> and do i need to stop network-manager for interfaces settings to take impact
[11:28] <ppf> no
[11:28] <ppf> just restart networking
[11:28] <indicator> I found out what my problem with blkid not seeing my luks device was: using the -p (low-level probe) flag to blkid it printed a suggestive message about an ambiguous result.  So I ran wipefs /dev/mapper/root, which showed that there are multiple filesystem signatures on that device
[11:28] <indicator> one was left over from an attempt at zfs boot
[11:29] <indicator> despite using "reformat" checkbox in the ubuntu installer
[11:30] <ayogi> ppf, is there a way i can see network-manger process, that is doing settings for eth0 by default?
[11:30] <indicator> I wonder if mkfs.ext4 doesn't overwrite existing filesystem signatures sometimes?  seems odd...
[11:30] <ppf> ayogi: sure, but why?
[11:31] <ppf> systemctl status network-manager.service
[11:31] <ayogi> just want to know if it's running
[11:31] <ayogi> can we list it using ps aux
[11:31] <ppf> systemctl will show you the entire cgroup
[11:31] <ayogi> in server machine and desktop machine
[11:32] <ayogi> okay is this the same which i see as: "ps aux | grep dnsmasq"
[11:33] <ppf> shouldn't, i guess
[11:33] <ayogi> ppf, "ps aux | grep dnsmasq" on desktop shows something, but nothing on server machine
[11:34] <ayogi> what is systemctl?
[11:34] <ppf> the control tool for systemd
[11:34] <ppf> what ubuntu is this?
[11:34] <ayogi> 16.04
[11:35] <ayogi> ppf, what is the use of systemctl for network-manager?
[11:35] <ppf> it controls the system services, on of which is nm
[11:35] <L00P3X> BuonGiorno.. i have a linux compatible mackie mixer i'm not able to run using Qjackctrl or detected by patchage.. someone knows what is missing? Thank you
[11:35] <ppf> but just run systemctl restart networking, and your interfaces config will kick in
[11:36] <ppf> (so make sure you've configured it correctly or you will be locked out ;))
[11:36] <L00P3X> sorry if i just popt in your conversation.. have a nice day guis
[11:36] <frankspank> @search The Subtle Art of Not Giving
[11:37] <ayogi> ppf, but how can i list nm service via systemctl
[11:37] <ayogi> i did "systemctl | grep network"
[11:37] <ppf> systemctl status network-manager.service
[11:38]  * dan hi
[11:39] <ayogi> so if interface settings are not present in /etc/network/interfaces, then it is being managed by network manager
[11:39] <ppf> yes
[11:39] <pynki> no
[11:40] <pynki> it means there are no settings present in the interfaces file
[11:40] <ayogi> ppf, and network manager does the dhcp request to get the gateway and dns details?
[11:40] <ppf> ayogi: yes
[11:40] <pynki> managed by nm -> no settings in etc/network/interfaces, the otherway around is not a valid statement
[11:41] <ayogi> ppf, and is gateway and dns settings are/can be configured for each interface? or a single dns is used for all interfaces?
[11:42] <ppf> pynki: sure, if you prefer to be that picky :) but it's a reasonable default assumption
[11:42] <ppf> ayogi: for each interface
[11:43] <pynki> you should only have one gateway ayogi, otherwise you would have to deal with routing issues
[11:43] <ayogi> so i can configure different dns for each interface
[11:43] <pynki> yes
[11:43] <ayogi> wow that's cool
[11:44] <ayogi> is there a good use case for this?
[11:44] <ayogi> one more thing - when the machine boots up, then does nm makes dhcp request for each interface?
[11:45] <ppf> for those it's managing, yes
[11:45] <ayogi> to get dns and netmask and other details?
[11:45] <brainybones> Okay so I have qjackctl up and running and teamspeak running in a VM, and I'm trying to link up all audio in the vm to be output to teamspeak, does anyone have advice on getting it configured correctly?
[11:46] <ayogi> ppf, so do we need to setup separate dhcp server for each interface ?
[11:46] <ayogi> how does that work?
[11:47] <ppf> not sure i understand the question?
[11:47] <pynki> ayogi, if you have to conenct the interfaces to different networks, you will need different dhcp servers
[11:47] <ppf> you need one dhcp server per network
[11:47] <pynki> !info dnsmasq | ayogi
[11:47] <ppf> as a physical machine
[11:48] <indicator> OK, I also discovered that zfs apparently writes not just one but a whole pile of signatures, and wipefs will only remove one at a time (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=856833).  My solution was to (after rebooting into live CD): sudo wipefs --all --backup /dev/mapper/root  (which wipes all signatures and backs them up at the same time), then restore just the ext4 signature, following man wipefs)
[11:48] <indicator> seems to have worked...
[11:49] <indicator> because now sudo blkid -o value -s TYPE /dev/mapper/root is successful and prints ext4
[11:49] <indicator> and sudo wipefs /dev/mapper/root prints just the ext4 signature
[11:50] <ayogi> ppf, then if we have on dhcp server per network, then can a single dhcp server configure all interfaces?
[11:51] <ayogi> and when we want separate dns for them?
[11:51] <ayogi> s/on/one
[11:52] <ppf> a dhcp server configures all interfaces on its network
[11:53] <ayogi> okay so if want to add a virtual interface inside a server hosted in a network, then we would have to also add its settings in the dhcp server of that network?
[11:54] <ayogi> so that interface can get its required details, ppf?
[11:54] <indicator> I have to say I don't recommend using zfs on root filesystem yet, unless you're happy to fiddle about with grub (therefore having to consider possible later trouble when grub packages are updated).  grub still seems unhappy about it (https://github.com/zfsonlinux/grub/issues/19).  A shame, it seems like kind of trivial failure, looks like it's almost there at least for a manual setup.
[11:55] <ppf> ayogi: yes, if you want
[11:59] <IntelCore> how to pass args to java virtual machine
[11:59] <exxi> can you guys can do apt-get update successfully ?
[11:59] <pynki> exxi, yes
[11:59] <IntelCore> why exxi?
[12:00] <FMan> what is the cc command on Ubuntu? an alias for 'gcc'? "man cc" displays the manual page for gcc, but "cc --version" displays "cc 5.4.0" - perhaps it uses argv[0] in that?
[12:00] <IntelCore> cc is a program
[12:01] <FMan> ah, yes
[12:01] <ppf> FMan: cc is an alias to gcc
[12:01] <exxi> pynki: IntelCore i am failing to do tried with different repos yet it fails
[12:01] <ppf> readlink -e `which cc`
[12:01] <exxi> failed to fetch and hash sum mismatch errors
[12:01] <pynki> exxi, running it as root or with sudo?
[12:02] <FMan> it appears to be a link to /etc/alternatives
[12:02] <exxi> sudo
[12:02] <IntelCore> exxi - synaptic pkg mgr
[12:02] <pynki> exxi, can you ping the servers?
[12:02] <exxi> apt-get update
[12:02] <exxi> yes
[12:03] <pynki> exxi, whats the error message?
[12:03] <ayogi> ppf, okay thank you
[12:03] <exxi> using http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/
[12:03] <zeekhuge> is it okay to disable the accounts-daemon.service ?
[12:03] <ppf> FMan: update-alternatives --display cc
[12:03] <ayogi> i learnt a lot today
[12:03] <exxi> Hash Sum mismatch
[12:03] <exxi> under multiple lines i get that error
[12:03] <zeekhuge> is it okay to disable the accounts-daemon.service ? and what does it do ?
[12:04] <exxi> ayogi: from UP ?
[12:04] <zeekhuge> also, do I need irqbalancer.service ?
[12:04] <ayogi> exxi, sorry i didn't get UP?
[12:05] <pynki> exxi, google for solutions - there are plenty of suggestions out there what to do. but in the end it might just be atemp error on the nertwork and you just have to wait a bit
[12:05] <FMan> I have a slave cc.1.gz
[12:05] <zeekhuge> plus .. is there an easier way to get the service dependency other that 'systemdctl dot '
[12:06] <zeekhuge> *systemd-analyze dot
[12:06] <ppf> zeekhuge: systemctl list-dependencies?
[12:06] <exxi> pynki: tried from couple of hours i am behind this error and it doesn
[12:06] <exxi> doesn't looks like going away
[12:07] <FMan> so both cc and gcc are actually links to gcc-5
[12:07] <ppf> yes
[12:08] <ppf> [for your system]
[12:08] <FMan> right
[12:08] <FMan> I was going to add that :)
[12:08] <FMan> thanks!
[12:08] <zeekhuge> pfeerick:  and the red dot means the service failed while the green one means its still active and running . is it ?
[12:09] <bonsaitree> Is there a fix for the frequent internet connection drops (on both LAN and Wi-Fi) on 17.04? This is annoying. Thanks in advance.
[12:09] <bonsaitree> I have tried this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/905283/wifi-issue-with-ubuntu-17-04
[12:09] <bonsaitree> Without success on fixing it
[12:09] <haymi> i have installed java when i tried java -version it display  the correct verstion but when i try  update-alternatives --list  it doesnt  display th current java version?
[12:11] <blackbird1> Hi, Gimp 2.8.16 repeatedly crashes. Specially when saving. (Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS)
[12:16] <indicator> bonsaitree: you say "the" drops, but isn't it likely that only certain configurations have the particular cause of that problem that you see?
[12:16] <indicator> bonsaitree: I would suggest looking in logs for errors/failures and then googling for those
[12:17] <indicator> e.g. run dmesg, have a look in /var/log
[12:17] <zeekhuge> and what about the 'irqbalance.service' ? do I need that ? how can I know ?
[12:17] <TomyWork> blackbird1 not familiar with it, but maybe gimp stores logs somewhere? ask #gimp
[12:19] <indicator> blackbird1: you might be able to get useful information from something like strace to see what it is trying to do when it crashes (may or may not help)
[12:19] <indicator> actually recent more ubuntu releases than 16.04 have much better system-level tracing, so if you want to get your hands dirty that might help too (might be a long trek though)
[12:21] <RonWhoCares> how can I check what version of melt I am using
[12:22] <indicator> blackbird1: or you could generate a core file and run gdb on that, if you are prepared to learn about that
[12:23] <Alfro> How does the unity sound settings change the default audio source? I am getting a weird behaviour when I change the default audio source during a recording with a pulseaudio element, but not when I do it through *pactl*.
[12:24] <TomyWork> RonWhoCares dpkg -s melt?
[12:24] <TomyWork> melt --version?
[12:24] <TomyWork> i dont know what melt is
[12:24] <indicator> blackbird1: actually I see there's a more recent gimp release, easiest thing might be to try that (you might need a ppa, or download and build it yourself)
[12:25] <TomyWork> RonWhoCares if you installed it via package management, "dpkg -s melt" should work
[12:26] <TomyWork> indicator dont you finish the diagnosis before suggesting a treatment for blackbird1?
[12:26] <TomyWork> indicator dont you want to finish the diagnosis before suggesting a treatment for blackbird1?
[12:27] <indicator> TomyWork: when it's segfaulting?  How do you suggest doing that remotely?
[12:27] <hateball> run gimp from a terminal and it should dump to stdout when it fails
[12:28] <hateball> !paste | and then just pastebin for googletimes
[12:29] <indicator> yeah that's a good idea :-)
[12:34] <Zeljko> I have 1gb of ram, 650 is available, how much SWAP memory i have and when my memory come to 0, swap will continue ?
[12:36] <indicator> I often find the live cd holds open mounts (I think I normally get "target is busy"), even when lsof or fuser shows no processes.  Anybody know any common causes of that?
[12:36] <kk4ewt> Zeljko,  think of swap as storage for ram
[12:37] <Zeljko> kk4ewt
[12:37] <Zeljko> im not sure i understand u
[12:37] <kk4ewt> swap is slower than ram
[12:37] <indicator> doesn't seem to happen to me when I'm running an installed system.  Maybe it's one of the various indexing etc. tools that I tend to remove after install...?
[12:37] <kk4ewt> ram will save stuff in ram and call it back as needed
[12:38] <kk4ewt> swap is on your hard drive
[12:38] <Zeljko> kk4ewt i have 1gb and now 640mb available
[12:38] <Zeljko> im using ircd server,znc, and two eggdrops
[12:38] <Zeljko> im not sure that's enough ram for that
[12:39] <kk4ewt> if that is all the machine is doing should be fine
[12:39] <TomyWork> indicator oh he mentioned segfaults? i must have missed that
[12:39] <indicator> yeah he didn't, I assumed that, you're right
[12:40] <Zeljko> kk4ewt
[12:40] <indicator> blackbird1: what exactly do you mean by "crash"?
[12:40] <Zeljko> kk4ewt : how to restrict user's processes on their shells
[12:41] <Zeljko> i want to give only 1-2 processes
[12:41] <TomyWork> good question. i had assumed he meant it just disappeared ^^
[12:41] <indicator> my guess would be that if it just disappeared, it probably segfaulted
[12:43] <indicator> At the moment I'm getting a mount held open because of kdevtmpfs.  That's a kernel process I can't kill.  Anybody know what to do to get around that?
[12:45] <Zeljko> indicator how to limit user's processes on shell
[12:47] <indicator> I'm still not sure how to umount it, but I suppose my mistake was to use mount --rbind to mount dev so I could chroot, I won't do that again... (should have just used --bind)
[12:48] <captine> anyone know where one can get the image for the following link?  https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/02/22/an-ubuntu-snap-based-solution-for-enterprises-to-control-their-data/
[12:48] <captine> cannot find it on the snap store or anywhere?
[12:48] <haymi> how can i check if my java version  is correctly installed beside  java -version?
[12:49] <ppf> haymi: what more do you want
[12:50] <zeekhuge> was trying to optimize the boot process. now after a restart my  themes and icons keep toggling (in like 1 second) from defaul to the one I have set . (kind of funny, but I am getting worried about it)
[12:50] <zeekhuge> *default
[12:52] <brainybones> My qjackctl does not seem to have the ability to output on midi, only alsa?
[12:52] <haymi> ppf: I have installed  java 9 yesterday and i want stable version and i remove 9 and installed java 8  it show me the curent version using java -version  but when chek java With  java alternative  --list it doesnt  display?
[12:54] <zeekhuge> and my systems is heating up too :(
[13:01] <ppf> haymi: is java -version correct or not?
[13:02] <indicator> that's pretty weird, what were you doing with your boot process?
[13:03] <haymi> ppf: java version is correct
[13:03] <ppf> haymi: then what are you worried about?
[13:03] <ppf> everything's fine
[13:04] <haymi> ppf: i was trying to install pentaho applictaion which needs java path and it is not showing the  path of java
[13:05] <ppf> what isn't
[13:06] <haymi> ppf: yes
[13:06] <zeekhuge> indicator: I just disabled a few services like - that brltty, acounts-daemon, pppd-dns ... And maybe a few more .. :(
[13:06] <ppf> aha
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:07] <haymi> ppf: :-) i ddin't get you
[13:07] <indicator> zeekhuge: have you looked for logs?
[13:07] <ppf> haymi: i still don't know what the problem is
[13:07] <zeekhuge> indicator: dmesg ?
[13:08] <indicator> the more the merrier but I'd try in /var/log and look for stuff around the window manager level
[13:09] <indicator> if you find something suspicious looking, have a look at older logs and see if it happened before (then you know that's not the problem)
[13:13] <hamdjan> should i install the bootloader into /dev/sda or /dev/sda5 in ubuntu installation window?
[13:14] <hamdjan>  /dev/sda5 is where my ext3 /boot partition is
[13:14] <hamdjan>  /dev/sda1 is where my /boot/EFI partition is, and /dev/sda6 is where my rootfs is
[13:14] <indicator> haymi: you mean pentaho is not correctly detecting the location of your java installation?
[13:15] <indicator> maybe you need to set (from a quick google) environment variable PENTAHO_JAVA_HOME?
[13:15] <haymi> indicator: yes, i try to  edit in /etc/environment
[13:16] <haymi> indicator: but still it is not working
[13:16] <zeekhuge> indicator: (thanks for that pointer on older logs) looks like there is some problem in seat0-greeter.log
[13:16] <indicator> hamdjan: you want to run grub-install, do you?
[13:16] <zeekhuge> The indicates keep crashing and starting again
[13:16] <zeekhuge> *indicators
[13:17] <indicator> haymi: how are you running pentaho?
[13:17] <hamdjan> indicator, thats what the installer does for me i thought?
[13:17] <indicator> oh I see
[13:18] <indicator> I don't remember the installer asking that question?  is this the graphical installer or the 'alternate install' (if that still exists?)?
[13:19] <indicator> are you talking about assigning mounts in the graphical partitioner?  somewhere around there anyway?
[13:19] <hamdjan> indicator, ah actually yes. i have to write the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX manually and also update-grub, because i do the installation manually
[13:20] <indicator> hm actually I see you're doing EFI, I don't really have much of a clue about that sorry!
[13:21] <hamdjan> np! i'll see if it runs through now
[13:21] <haymi> indicator: i have download the pentaho and from pentaho folder ./start-pentaho.sh so at this time he will look for java path
[13:23] <indicator> so maybe run: env PENTAHO_JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/default-java ./start-pentaho.sh
[13:24] <IntelCore> Second, use the browser that is specified from the -Dorg.eclipse.swt.browser.XULRunnerPath argument if providedfind a path is $PATH Java
[13:24] <indicator> for /etc/environment to take effect, you'd have to log out and back in again, or maybe even reboot, not sure.  If you just use command env, you get the effect right away (for the following command)
[13:25] <haymi> indicator: ok thanks i will try like that
[13:26] <blackdalek> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 16.04 onto an acer aspire L3600... I can't seem to get past the splash screen on the installer. The screen with 5 dots animation has been playing for past 15 minutes... what should I try?
[13:26] <blackdalek> The DVD drive is still churning away, making noises, but the screen never leave splash.
[13:27] <indicator> you can remove "quiet splash" via grub boot menu
[13:27] <indicator> hold down shift at boot
[13:28] <indicator> should get you grub menu, then select what you want to boot and hit e, then edit to remove those words, then hit f10 to boot
[13:28] <blackdalek> I'll try that...
[13:29] <indicator> then you should see logs that might tell you what's going on.  I think that's right -- if not and you don't see those two words in there you could change /etc/default/grub to make the change permanently (then you have to run update-grub I think)
[13:29] <zeekhuge> indicator: whats the accounts-daemon for ? I enabled it, restarted lightdm and all works fine.
[13:29] <zeekhuge> why is accounts-daemon needed for the theme and icon thing
[13:29] <zeekhuge> ?
[13:30] <zeekhuge> and even when I read its a potential security hole.
[13:31] <Taose> Hi all, latest update sound doesn't work
[13:31] <indicator> no idea!  dpkg -s accountsservice
[13:31] <Taose> how the hell do I roll it back?
[13:31] <zeekhuge> clear
[13:31] <indicator> (I found that package name using locate accounts-daemon, then ran dpkg -S /some/path/that/printed to see what installed that file)
[13:31] <Taose> The usual, delete pulse, kill pulse, routine doesn't work anymore ._.
[13:31] <zeekhuge> ahh ! sorry
[13:34] <Taose> Anyone?
[13:35] <ducasse> Taose: you can't really roll back an update, but you can install a specific version of a package if it is still in the repos
[13:35] <ducasse> Taose: apt install package=version
[13:36] <blackdalek> indicator, I can't seem to get to the grub menu... I rebooted.. held shift key.. the screen with the "keyboard = man in a circle" down the bottom appeared, then it went straight to the splash screen again. ow it's stuck again.
[13:36] <Taose> I have no clue which file is broken though.
[13:36] <Taose> I just know that Ubuntu hates playing sound
[13:36] <indicator> try pressing and releasing shift key repeatedly as it boots
[13:36] <indicator> I've been doing that most of today :-(
[13:36] <Taose> It used to be that I could follow the standard trouble shoot process and deleting and restarting pulse would kick it back into gear
[13:36] <Taose> Now it just doesn't play any sound whatsoever
[13:37] <Taose> ...really tempted to find a different OS...
[13:37] <indicator> can you aplay?
[13:38] <Taose> Nope
[13:38] <Taose> and even VLC doesn't work
[13:39] <Taose> (I tried using the alt-f2 aplay -l? was it command, no it didn't work)
[13:39] <zeekhuge> indicator: so if 'locate accounts-daemon' gives output 'usr/lib/accountsservice/accounts-daemon', then the output of 'dpkg -S /usr/lib/accountsservice/' would print the packages dependent on accounts-daemon ?
[13:39] <indicator> I think there's an alsa channel, they were quite helpful to me.  They have a diagnostic script, you probably want to make sure you run that before asking.
[13:39] <indicator> and don't mention pulse ;-)
[13:40] <Taose> Not a lot I can do about it, ubuntu comes with it as standard
[13:40] <indicator> what I'm saying is, if aplay doesn't work, that's not pulse, right?
[13:40] <Taose> Yah but my problem is with ubuntu isn't it?
[13:40] <Taose> Ubuntu was the one that upgraded and now the sound doesn't work >.>
[13:40] <Taose> It worked more or less fine previously
[13:41] <indicator> well, my advice is to try that IRC channel, worked for me
[13:41] <indicator> omg my system boots again.  goodbye!
[13:42] <ducasse> Taose: what about 'aplay -l' doesn't work? it should print a list of devices.
[13:43] <Taose> I meant "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav"
[13:43] <blackdalek> indicator, ok.. repeatedly hitting shift seems to have done something. It presented me with a language selection then menu of options. One was F6 to change options, so I selected that. It let me delete "quiet splash" from a string of options, now it seems to be doing something
[13:44] <ducasse> Taose: then try 'aplay -l' and pastebin the output.
[13:45] <Taose> https://pastebin.com/DsESLxyp
[13:45] <Cyric> hi guys i am having some trubble to double boot
[13:46] <Cyric> win10 ubuntu1604
[13:46] <blackdalek> Now there are about 50 messages scrolling up screen "Blk__update_request: I/O Error, dev  sr0 sector.. etc... " Does this suggest the hard disk is bad or my install DVD is bad?
[13:46] <Cyric> i turned off secure boot but still boot straight to windows
[13:46] <Cyric> i tried boot repair without success
[13:47] <Taose> (this'll teach me to upgrade ubuntu -_-)
[13:47] <Cyric> any idea/tip?
[13:48] <Taose> My advice is to avoid double booting on the same partition. Then it's just a case of switching partitions at the F12 stage
[13:48] <Taose> (same HDD I mean)
[13:48] <ducasse> blackdalek: sr0 is your dvd
[13:50] <Taose> oh hang on
[13:50] <Taose> I think I got it
[13:50] <Taose> How to I give myself sound permissions?
[13:51] <Taose> That's flat out weird
[13:51] <Taose> The aplay wav runs on sudo just fine
[13:51] <Taose> but it won't work on my normal account
[13:51] <Taose> However my user is already a member of the audio group
[13:52] <Cyric> Taose: double boot from the same partition is the standard
[13:52] <Cyric> i always had it and it works like a charm normally
[13:52] <Taose> Always screwed up for me, so I just got rid of Windows
[13:52] <Taose> never looked back
[13:53] <Cyric> good for you
[13:54] <IntelCore> ppa portal for flatpak, another apt ppa
[13:56] <ducasse> !who | IntelCore
[13:59] <Taose> Okay
[13:59] <Taose> so
[13:59] <Taose> question
[13:59] <Taose> How do I get sound to play for normal users in Ubuntu 17.04?
[14:00] <Taose> I've added the user to the "audio" and "pulse-access" groups
[14:01] <compdoc> did you log the user out, then back in?
[14:01] <Taose> Restarted the machine twice
[14:02] <compdoc> sound is tricky, sometimes. if you have a list of output devices, you should try them all
[14:02] <Taose> The other one isn't working either
[14:03] <Taose> (it's the inbuilt speakers for the monitor)
[14:03] <Taose> I'll assume for the moment that it does work if I use sudo
[14:03] <compdoc> the monitor is plugged into the green port on the sound card?
[14:03] <Taose> Not a damn clue it's a HDMI cable
[14:04] <Taose> The speakers however are in the right place
[14:04] <Taose> (worked previously)
[14:04] <compdoc> ohh
[14:09] <Alfro> !tab
[14:11] <IntelCore> Flatpak is a rip
[14:13] <ducasse> IntelCore: if you just want to chat, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:14] <Taose> brb...
[14:14] <winem_> hey guys, I have to setup a postgresql or mysql / mariadb / galera db cluster. requirements are that failover and a virtual shared IP is supported. some years ago I used a combination of mysql, heartbeat, pacemaker to achieve this. but I did not use such a setup in the last few years. so which db (postgresql or mariadb / galera) would you recommend and why? I guess this can save me some googling.
[14:15] <winem_> there will just be a couple of read operations and about 20k writes per minute. so it's not that much. at the moment, I would go for mysql and haproxy, but you might have a smarter advice
[14:16] <oerheks> winem_, use the one you know/like best
[14:16] <Taose> hm
[14:16] <Taose> that didn't work ._.
[14:18] <winem_> I think I knew both at the same level.. but I missed the releases during the last 2-3 years. so, let me rephrase my question. is there any good reason not to use one of both?
[14:24] <oerheks> winem_, you might want to reask in #ubuntu-server too, i would go for MariaDB, but that is because i like the license
[14:24] <winem_> oerheks: oh, did not now that channel. thanks
[14:29] <Taose> Anyone have a clue how to get sound working as a normal user and not just sudo? (17.10)
[14:29] <Taose> Tried adding user to audio group: no effect.
[14:30] <Taose> Tried adding user to pulse-access group: no effect
[14:30] <ducasse> Taose: 17.10?
[14:31] <ducasse> !ubuntu+1 | Taose
[14:31] <blackdalek> In trying to make a new install DVD, I've discovered a new problem on this laptop.  I can't burn ANY DVDs :( every type of blank DVD I put in the drive comes up in gnome-disk-utility as "Size: 2.0 KB (2,048 bytes)" and it refuses to let me write anything to the disc
[14:31] <blackdalek> I have DVD-R and DVD+R.. none work
[14:31] <Taose> 17.04*
[14:31] <Taose> sorry, used to 16.10
[14:32] <Taose> It would be nice if they only released stuff that actually worked >.>
[14:33] <BluesKaj> blackdalek, sounds like a faulty optical drive
[14:37] <blackdalek> Also.. eery time I insert a blank DVD media, it tells me "Unable to mount Blank DVD+ (or -)R Disc. Location is already mounted" (it isn't).
[14:37] <blackdalek> every*
[14:37] <Taose> Try a new optical drive
[14:38] <MustaKrakish> eery
[14:39] <Beethoven> Hello. I just installed Xubuntu but one problem has arisen. The time on the panel is being displayed in Arabic for some reason, how can I change it to English?
[14:39] <blackdalek> this is a laptop and I have no spare optical drive :(
[14:40] <herouvim> I'd like some help concerning overlay fs. After the issuing of the mount command, is it possible to access the lowerdir dirctory from the overlaid directory?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> blackdalek, check your uefi/bios for the optical drive listing, some laptops lose sight of the optical drive there for some reason and a cold boot is required to restore recognition
[14:40] <blackdalek> ok
[14:42] <Taose> Solved my issue partly
[14:42] <Taose> Changed the sound output connection to another jack and then switched the sound to line out (where previously 16.10 didn't use line out it used something else and required the HDMI output instead)
[14:43] <vimar> Hi
[14:44] <BluesKaj> tabakhase, that was probly the default setting in pulseaudio on 16.10
[14:46] <BluesKaj> oops
[14:47] <medwards> Hey is there anyway to debug applets in the gnome flashback sessions?
[14:48] <medwards> I have gnome flashback + xmonad and unlike other flashback sessions the indicator-applet-complete applet is subtly broken (only shows wifi icon, no date, no gear, no battery, etc)
[14:49] <IntelCore> can you consider gnome-flashback?
[14:51] <Alfro> Hi everyone, I am having an issue with the ubuntu sound settings for unity. When doing a recording of an audio source, if I change the default audio source the recording source changes as well.
[14:51] <Alfro> This happens even when I explicitly select an audio source
[14:52] <IntelCore> medwards - my gnome desktop has bar at top with those icons
[14:52] <Alfro> But changing the source through pactl does not cause this issue, so I am guessing it has to do with how does the UI for the sound settings change it
[14:53] <Alfro> I'll appreciate any kind of pointers
[14:53] <IntelCore> medwards - seen gnome Tweak tool ?  or, unity tweak tool?
[14:54] <medwards> IntelCore: ah damn, thats right
[14:54] <minimec> medwards: I guess you have to load a 'gnome-session' within your flashback/Xmonad configuration. I use a gnome flashback/e17 configuration and load a gnome-session file with this content... 'RequiredComponents=gnome-flashback-init;gnome-flashback;gnome-panel;gnome-settings-daemon;gnome-flashback-services;'
[14:54] <medwards> I was going to try that before coming here for help
[14:54] <IntelCore> unity then gnome
[14:54] <medwards> wilco
[14:55] <IntelCore> medwards - go on unity to use tool for it
[14:58] <IntelCore> Alfro - all i got is system sound setting.. even with alsa and P.A.  input/output
[14:59] <IntelCore> Alfro - What is recording software?
[15:00] <medwards> IntelCore: unit tweak tool: everything is enabled and it all appears when I use the default session
[15:00] <medwards> gonna try now with gnome tweak tool in my xmonad session
[15:00] <IntelCore> idk xmonad
[15:00] <medwards> flashback + xmonad
[15:01] <medwards> sorry, premature compression
[15:01] <IntelCore> I got fallbaxk-compiz
[15:01] <medwards> yup its all disabled in gnome-tweak-tool
[15:01] <medwards> weird
[15:02] <medwards> I thought it was all the same applet
[15:02] <IntelCore> I can choose from 3 desktop at login
[15:02] <medwards> ah nevermind
[15:02] <medwards> its affecting the normal date applet
[15:02] <IntelCore> unity, gnome classic, gnome-session fallback-compiz
[15:03] <IntelCore> indicator applet complete
[15:03] <IntelCore> right click that area on bar
[15:04] <medwards> About: indicator-applet-complete
[15:04] <IntelCore> yes
[15:04] <medwards> v12.10.1
[15:04] <IntelCore> lol
[15:05] <IntelCore> I had some decent widgets. now, all i find is conky
[15:05] <medwards> but its incomplete
[15:05] <medwards> just wifi icon
[15:06] <medwards> I think I might try removing all the indicator packages and reinstalling
[15:06] <IntelCore> yea
[15:07] <IntelCore> Alfro - did you fix?
[15:11] <Alfro> IntelCore - No, sorry. It happened originally with GStreamer, but I could reproduce it with parecord
[15:12] <Alfro> IntelCore: Something like this: parecord --file-format="wav" -d alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo TEST.WAV
[15:13] <Alfro> IntelCore - Then changing the default audio to a different device makes the recording change, but only if I use the unity-control-center, as far as I could tell
[15:19] <IntelCore> gstreamer, is that for gnome?
[15:20] <Alfro> It doesn't have a GUI, so I think it does not have a particular dependency for gnome
[15:21] <Alfro> I would add a link, but I don't know how the policy about pasting URLs is here?
[15:21] <IntelCore> unity stands alone with it's apps.  Gnome has it's own too.  I dont mixup.. just kde and deb files..
[15:24] <IntelCore> there is a plug-in that auto detects source for gstreamer pkg
[15:25] <IntelCore> https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/plugins.html
[15:26] <IntelCore> https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/frequently-asked-questions/using.html
[15:27] <IntelCore> I use rhthymbox
[15:27] <pynki> Alfro, can you paste me your pipeline in a pm?
[15:27] <Alfro> pynki - Sure
[15:27] <Alfro> one sec
[15:30] <Alfro> pynki - Of course, the device will change depending on your computer
[15:31] <pynki> sure.
[15:31] <Alfro> I think it's not a GStreamer issue though, because I could reproduce the same behaviour using parecord
[15:32] <Alfro> something like this: parecord --file-format="wav" -d alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo TEST.WAV
[15:32] <Alfro> (probably wrote it before)
[15:33] <Alfro> and it does only happen when I try to change the default audio source through the GUI
[15:34] <Alfro> if I do it with pactl there is no issue: pactl set-default-source alsa_input.usb-046d_081d_96D1FD90-00.analog-mono
[15:36] <Jack_Sparrow__> Question:  I want to add mintmenu and dependencies to UbuntuMate as I hate that menu at the top and menu at the bottom.  Dont get me started on Unity since that I why I left Ubuntu in th first place.
[15:40] <oerheks> Jack_Sparrow__,  i think that would be more a Q for the mint community
[15:42] <oerheks> or perhaps the #ubuntu-mate channel has an idea about that?
[15:46] <Jack_Sparrow__> oerheks, Not at all, we are working on ubuntu mate... just looking at the different menus
[15:49] <Cyric> 1windows overwrite my uefi settings... it disable the uefi entry for ubuntu
[15:49] <Cyric> any idea how to fix that shit
[15:49] <Cyric> ?
[15:49] <Jack_Sparrow__> Welcome to windows 10
[15:50] <Cyric> is it the bios that does that right?
[15:51] <Cyric> fucking acer shit.. i will never buy again their fucking pc
[15:51] <oerheks> Cyric, please keep your language familyfriendly, thanks.
[15:51] <Cyric> sorry.. i am a little upset... i spent the last 4 hours
[15:52] <oerheks> windows should not remove an entry, perhaps the anti-virus did that?
[15:52] <Cyric> oerheks: is a fresh install
[15:52] <Cyric> i am using a easyuefi tool to add the ubuntu entry
[15:52] <oerheks> fresh install of windows? we allways suggest install windows first.
[15:52] <Cyric> yes install windows first
[15:53] <oerheks> bootrepair can do that too
[15:53] <Cyric> than i install ubuntu...
[15:53] <oerheks> !bootrepair
[15:53] <Cyric> i tried that
[15:53] <Cyric> but doents work
[15:53] <Cyric> after that goes straith to windows
[15:53] <nonix4> hrm it took a while to figure out how to use openbox to recover most of the user session broken by unity crash... key piece of information was indeed a key press. alt-space M for moving all the offscreen windows back somewhere sane.
[15:54] <Cyric> and the uefi entry for ubuntu is marked as disable, hidden
[15:54] <nonix4> ... on another day might bother to try to figure out how to actually/properly restart unity without killing the session.
[15:54] <Cyric> i reeanble from windows and put it as first.. then when i reboot, again straight to windows
[15:54] <Cyric> and is back marked as hidden, disabled
[15:55] <Cyric> i am using easi uefi utillity to change that
[15:56] <Cyric> i also deleted the ubuntu entry and readded a new one pointing the righ file in /uefi partition
[15:56] <Cyric> but nothing... straight to windows again
[15:56] <Cyric> i suspect is something in the acer bios
[15:56] <Cyric> only solution now is to skip the secure stuff completely
[15:57] <Cyric> anyone had similar issue?
[15:57] <nonix4> ... all detached menus are missing though; thoughts on how to get menus back for say, firefox? Guess I can toggle offline off somehow without menus as well though...
[15:59] <Jack_Sparrow__> My Acer runs fine, but never even fired it up with the original windows software
[16:03] <akik> Cyric: i heard you could change the boot order through windows with bcdedit
[16:03] <akik> Cyric: bcdedit /set {bootmgr} path \EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi
[16:04] <akik> https://itsfoss.com/no-grub-windows-linux/
[16:05] <akik> Cyric: in acer f5 laptop there's also a bios menu to add entries to the uefi boot menu
[16:15] <IntelCore> dual boot info all over, kinda tricky
[16:20] <Abequinn> ~looks at my mac~
[17:00] <tuxtimo> hi
[17:00] <SchrodingersScat> oh hey
[17:00] <tuxtimo> Can anyone help with this: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/634224
[17:06] <oerheks> tuxtimo, mabe you want to reask in #lxcontainers too
[17:08] <tuxtimo> oerheks: I've already posted an issue in the GitHub issue tracker for the LXC project - stgraber pointed out it's an apparmor issue
[17:16] <ayogi> hi guys, my machine's root partition is almost full 88% used
[17:16] <ayogi> how can i free up space
[17:16] <ayogi> and clean unnecessary things from /
[17:16] <ayogi> ubuntu-14.04
[17:16] <oerheks> ayogi, sudo apt-get autoremove # should remove unused kernels
[17:17] <ayogi> i did that, but it did not remove old kernels,
[17:17] <ayogi> then i had to install a package and then run purge-old-kernels
[17:18] <ayogi> i have now run purge-old-kernels, and after that the disk usage is 88%
[17:18] <ayogi> is there a way i can free up more
[17:18] <oerheks> purge-old-kernels ??? never heard of that, autoremove should take care of that, what linux are you on?
[17:19] <ayogi> ubuntu-14.04
[17:19] <pavlos> ayogi: you mean, apt autoremove?
[17:19] <oerheks> apt is in 16.04, 14.04 uses apt-get
[17:20] <ayogi> yeah apt-get autoremove
[17:20] <ayogi> did not remove old kernels for me, in 14.04
[17:21] <ayogi> it showed like: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 100 not upgraded.
[17:21] <oerheks> ayogi, strange, it should.
[17:21] <oerheks> maybe that 100 updates waiting is your culprit, sudo apt dist-upgrade should install them, unless there is a kernel in that
[17:22] <boze> I upgraded windows to 10 and ubuntu to 16.04 at the same time. Ubuntu boots fine, but I can't seem to get windows to show up in grub again
[17:22] <pavlos> ayogi: http://www.infoworld.com/article/2696165/install-ubuntu-tweak-0-8-8-in-ubuntu-14-04.html
[17:23] <ayogi> oerheks, is there something else i could do here to clean up more space
[17:23] <oerheks> can you show us the output of sudo apt-get autoremove ??
[17:24] <oerheks> on pastebin
[17:25]  * oerheks reads: sudo purge-old-kernels is depreciated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels
[17:25] <ducasse> ayogi: apt-get clean
[17:27] <ayogi> oerheks, o/p of "sudo apt-get autoremove" is just 4 lines ending with 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 100 not upgraded.
[17:27] <ayogi> ducasse, did that also. nothing got free
[17:29] <pavlos> ayogi: if you install the ubuntu tweak, you can clean up the old kernels
[17:30] <oerheks> ayogi, DID YOU EVER REBOOT AFTER YOUR LATEST UPDATE? PERHAPS THAT IS BLOCKING AUTOREMOVE
[17:30] <oerheks> OOPS CAPS
[17:30] <oerheks> autoremove *SHOULD*  work
[17:33] <oerheks> no more need of this :  dpkg -l linux-* | awk '/^ii/{print $2}' | egrep [0-9] | sort -t- -k3,4 --version-sort -r | sed -e "1,/$(uname -r | cut -f1,2 -d"-")/d" | grep -v -e `uname -r | cut -f1,2 -d"-"` | xargs sudo apt-get -y purge
[17:36] <altin> I have a remote backup storage that I'm mounting with sshfs and then in that storage there is an ext4 filesystem .img that I'm mounting in another directory. For some reason something happens and the image gets remounted but only as read-only and I can't backup stuff in there anymore
[17:37] <altin> this is what I'm using in my /etc/fstab
[17:37] <altin> https://pastebin.com/BYN7fWvV
[17:38] <oerheks> altin,  what does 'mount´  say ?
[17:39] <oerheks> if it is mounted ro, usually it is unmmounted dirty, run fsck on that partition
[17:39] <altin> oerheks, when I run mount -a it works all fine
[17:39] <altin> but after some time
[17:39] <altin> it gets remounted I think
[17:39] <altin> I am not sure
[17:39] <altin> but when I log in back in the server I can't write on it anymore
[17:40] <altin> The way I created the ext4 img was $: dd if=/dev/zero of=/srv/backup/backup-storage/filesystem.img bs=1 seek=100G count=1
[17:41] <altin> and then $: mkfs.ext4 /srv/backup/backup-storage/filesystem.img
[17:48] <altin> oerheks, this is what I see in dmesg https://pastebin.com/37kBQsL8
[17:57] <altin> Could it be the ssh keepalive issue?
[18:15] <engi> how do i fix this  https://thepasteb.in/p/NxhVyPxQKpWsN
[18:20] <mercenaryship> there was a problem with the netinstaller
[18:20] <oerheks> engi, that adress does not exist. ngrokd.ngrok.com maybe a typo ?
[18:20] <mercenaryship> most of it is working the kernel boots however root is not mounted
[18:21] <mercenaryship> Does the initram image use the same kernel?
[18:22] <mercenaryship> the root partition looks to be chrootable is this what the boot sequence does when it boots properly?
[18:22] <engi> oerheks: right, it's weird cuz I don't have control over it
[18:22] <vimar> What server FTP would you reccomend? In old days I've use to use Proftp but it was different distro.
[18:23] <oerheks> engi, ask the one that does, or seek help @ https://ngrok.com/ ??
[18:25] <mercenaryship> does Ubuntu host arm binary s?
[18:28] <oerheks> mercenaryship, yes, i think so
[18:28] <oerheks> !arm
[18:29] <thyriaen> i got a device ( ssd ) attached and i would like that my normal user always has rwx rights ( just as in my home directory ) - how can i do that ?
[18:29] <engi> $ lookup ngrok.com
[18:29] <engi> start
[18:29] <engi> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[18:29] <engi> $ lookup ngrok.com
[18:29] <engi> start
[18:29] <engi> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[18:29] <engi> hmm
[18:30] <mercenaryship> oerheks well done
[18:31] <mercenaryship> now explain the boot sequence
[18:31] <engi> help  https://thepasteb.in/p/Z4hPB8wMx2JCG
[18:31] <mercenaryship> after an install root fails to mount and the system boots to ramdisk
[18:32] <engi> ever since I installed g3 my system has become unstable
[18:32] <engi> I had to remove unity manually just to see g3 desktop, I think unity sidebar was loading on top
[18:33] <mercenaryship> what is the normal boot sequence so it can be repaired?
[18:34] <mercenaryship> mount and chroot work then what telinit?
[18:44] <GnomeKris> I can't get hdmi audio to play. It shows my hdmi output device (radeon r9 380), and shows audio being transmitted through it, but nothing is coming from the speakers. Ubuntu 17.04
[18:45] <GnomeKris> Anyone know anything about this kind of issue?
[18:46] <BluesKaj> GnomeKris, pc or laptop?
[18:49] <BluesKaj> GnomeKris, hdmi out is digital audio. Most likely your speakers are connected to the analog output. Change the output setting to analog in your pulseaudio output settings
[18:55] <akik> GnomeKris: you could try pavucontrol to see if the audio is routed to a wrong device
[18:59] <mercenaryship> so what happened is the installer detected the USB stick as root
[18:59] <mercenaryship> and lilo keeps looking for the usbstick
[19:00] <GnomeKris> BluesKaj, pc. Built it last year.
[19:00] <GnomeKris> Speakers are part of the monitor.
[19:00] <troulouliou_dev> hi ihave a file on my computer in /lib named klibc-8kba-ZlvkVvRx_mp57c4ZzwLfNs.so ; weird thing is that the creation date is before the install date
[19:01] <GnomeKris> akik. audio is routed to the correct device. I'm just not getting sound. Even though pavucontrol is showing audio from the hdmi output.
[19:01] <GnomeKris> I should add, headphones work just find.
[19:02] <GnomeKris> fine*
[19:03] <akik> GnomeKris: on playback tab in pavucontrol you have a something "hdmi" selected?
[19:04] <GnomeKris> Yup
[19:04] <akik> GnomeKris: in my case it is "gk104 hdmi audio controller digital stereo (hdmi)" nvidia card
[19:05] <GnomeKris> It even shows that sound is playing through "Tonga HDMI Audio [Radeon R9 285/380]"
[19:05] <GnomeKris> As in the "equalizer" looking bar below it is bouncing with the audio being played.
[19:05] <akik> GnomeKris: there's a volume slider there
[19:06] <akik> i guess you tried that too
[19:06] <GnomeKris> Yup. Got it maxed out
[19:07] <gefures_> hi!
[19:08] <Dr_Coke> What's up people
[19:08] <akik> GnomeKris: do you get some output if you run "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav" ?
[19:08] <gefures_> i am looking for help regarding rosegarden any ideas whether there is an appropriate cahnnel??
[19:09] <akik> gefures_: #ubuntustudio
[19:10] <gefures_> @akik i have 16.04 though...not studio
[19:10] <GnomeKris> akik, nothing.
[19:10] <freakyy> hi all. i have / on an ssd, and only /var and /home on a hdd, but still booting up takes very long. what can this be caused by? oO
[19:13] <Bashing-om> freakyy: ' journalctl -b -0 ' shows messages from the current boot; anything relevant ?
[19:13] <BluesKaj> GnomeKris, hdmi won't work unless your monitor has a digital to analog converter built in. Your audio output in pulseaudio needs to be analog not hdmi
[19:14] <Chryzo> Hi, i configured multiple static IPs for my interface. When i reload by doing an if down/if up for each extra IP, i get: RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address. Although 'ip addr' does list all of them. Google isn't very helpful. Could it be due because it is a VM and it is not allowed to spoof mac / change the mac?
[19:15] <kostkon> freakyy, there's also systemd-analyse
[19:15] <BluesKaj> unless of course the hdmi out in pulseaudio converts to analog, but that would be new to me, GnomeKris
[19:16] <freakyy> well it says swapon /swapfile wasnt successful
[19:16] <Bashing-om> freakyy: K; then what release ? does it look for a swap partition ?
[19:17] <GnomeKris> BluesKaj, my monitor is actually a 39" Sanyo TV. I have no idea if it has digital to analogue built in.
[19:18] <freakyy> well it is 17.04 - the swappartition is mounted as far as i can say as theres free -h a swap of 8GBs
[19:18] <freakyy> how do i use systemd-analyse or, systemd-bootchart, kostkon
[19:19] <ioria> freakyy, by default there is no swap partition  on zesty, only swap file
[19:19] <Bashing-om> freakyy: comapre the UUIDs from ' sudo blkid ' to '/etc/fstab file .
[19:19] <akik> GnomeKris: maybe your tv is muted(?) :)
[19:19] <kostkon> freakyy, man system-analyze etc. i guess
[19:19] <GnomeKris> Just checked, not muted
[19:19] <freakyy> oh ok but there is a sawp now. how does it use the swapfile as it says,
[19:19] <freakyy> one moment
[19:19] <Dr_Coke> BluesKaj, how are you?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> then it would if it's a TV , GnomeKris...they have digital to analog converters in the hdmi audio input stage ...I also use a panasonic TV hdmi audio input which works fine
[19:20] <GnomeKris> One thing I haven't tried, is a different hdmi port. However, I dual boot 16.04 and 17.04. I don't have this issue with 16.04, all audio works perfectly
[19:20] <BluesKaj> Hi Dr_Coke, fine here, and you?
[19:21] <Dr_Coke> Yeah I'm alright but I can't sleep
[19:21] <Dr_Coke> Bit hungry too
[19:22] <freakyy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24706209/
[19:22] <BluesKaj> GnomeKris, then compare your audio settings in 16.04 and 17.04. check both alsmixer and pulseaudio
[19:22] <freakyy> thats what it says about the swapfile
[19:22] <Dr_Coke> What have you been up too BluesKaj
[19:22] <GnomeKris> Just looked at audio options on my tv. I have "Digital Audio Output" options ... Off, RAW, or PCM. None of which change anything.
[19:22] <freakyy> and first after this, the bootscreen starts, which is what takes so long
[19:22] <GnomeKris> BluesKaj. Already did that. All settings are exactly the same.
[19:22] <freakyy> and i cant tell if theres anything relevant why it takes so long to boot up
[19:23] <BluesKaj> GnomeKris, they won't, those outputs not inputs
[19:23] <kostkon> freakyy, it's interesting that it fails to activate swap
[19:23] <freakyy> kostkon: well after i noticed there is no swap i created a swap partition
[19:23] <freakyy> which is now loaded but
[19:23] <freakyy> yea ...
[19:23] <kostkon> freakyy, hmm
[19:23] <freakyy> id prefer the swapfile
[19:23] <GnomeKris> BluesKaj. That was a duh on my part not noticing that. Thanks.lmao
[19:25] <freakyy> kostkon: :/
[19:25] <BluesKaj> GnomeKris, do you have another device like an audio amplifier or a receiver with digital inputs ?
[19:25] <BluesKaj> nearby
[19:26] <GnomeKris> Unfortunately, I do not. This is my only option at the moment.
[19:26] <freakyy> ok kostkon do u want tehe output of the journalctl command?
[19:28] <BluesKaj> GnomeKris, can you post a screenshot of alsamixer in the console on imgur or some such site?
[19:28] <GnomeKris> Yeah, give me a second
[19:29] <akik> GnomeKris: there seems to be a kernel parameter "radeon.audio=1" for ubuntu 12.04. the wiki page says that it would not be needed after that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[19:29] <Saichovsky> Hi all
[19:29] <Globalirc> hello guys i need some help how can i know what is the lastest users maked on a ubuntu system because my vps was compromises and i want to see what users he add last
[19:30] <Globalirc> is there a command to see when a user was added
[19:30] <Globalirc> ?
[19:30] <Saichovsky> My 16.04 boots to black screen
[19:30] <Saichovsky> I have chosen recovery mode in grub
[19:30] <Jack_Sparrow__> Did you just try to install something
[19:31] <Saichovsky> Which adds the nomodeset parameter to the kernel
[19:31] <gefures_> join/#linuxaudio
[19:31] <Saichovsky> Now my screen looks like it has a tiled wallpaper of maroon columns with jagged edges
[19:32] <EriC^^> Globalirc: you can see the date of the password expiry that's set in /etc/passwd
[19:32] <Saichovsky> Anyone who can assist?
[19:32] <Globalirc> EriC^^ what is the proper command ?
[19:32] <Saichovsky> No signal is sent to secondary display via HDMI
[19:33] <Globalirc> EriC^^: i find all the users with this  cut -d: -f1 /etc/passwd
[19:33] <EriC^^> Globalirc: sorry, it's in /etc/shadow
[19:33] <Bashing-om> Saichovsky: At the login screen key combo ctl+alt+F1, can you log into the system here on this console ?
[19:33] <Saichovsky> Bashing-om: nothing happens on Ctrl-Alt+F1
[19:33] <Saichovsky> F6 and F7 also have no effect
[19:34] <EriC^^> Globalirc: look at sudo cat /etc/shadow, the field after the hash is the time since the password was changed (or account created in your case)
[19:34] <GnomeKris> BluesKaj, http://imgur.com/a/o1Fpy
[19:34] <vimar> Hiya
[19:35] <EriC^^> Globalirc: you want the last user that was created?
[19:35] <Bashing-om> Saichovsky: Ouch, this looks to be tough . Got a live USB on hand ? try booting to the boot options screen and " boot from first hard drive" .
[19:36] <BluesKaj> GnomeKris, disable automute on the far right with the down arrow key
[19:36] <Globalirc> EriC^^: No that i know but i have multiple users and i want to know what is legit and what not because i see the lastlog command
[19:36] <Saichovsky> Bashing-om: Let me try that... I'm on a MacBook Pro.. Not sure if that complicates matters more
[19:36] <GnomeKris> Just saw that as I posted the link. Disabled it, Still nothing.
[19:36] <Globalirc> EriC^^: but they can make a user look like a system one
[19:37] <Bashing-om> Saichovsky: See if we can isolate to a kernel or a X issue .
[19:37] <Saichovsky> 👍
[19:37] <bonsairoot> Globalirc, maybe: sudo grep useradd /var/log/auth.log
[19:37] <Bashing-om> Saichovsky: Ya want some one else here as I have no experioence with a MAc , but I do know the boo up is different than what I know .
[19:37] <bonsairoot> don't know if that ignores some stuff though
[19:37] <Bashing-om> boot*
[19:38] <mercenaryship> what part of the filesystem need be writable for bash?
[19:38] <vimar> I've installed vsftpd and: start vsftpd
[19:38] <vimar> start: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
[19:38] <mercenaryship> is it the home directory?
[19:38] <Saichovsky> Bashing-om: Let me try booting from a flash
[19:39] <\9> mercenaryship: what do you mean 'for bash'? are you getting an error?
[19:39] <Bashing-om> Saichovsky: K; I will try and hold your hand :)
[19:39] <mercenaryship> for bash to function normally
[19:40] <mercenaryship> I have the root set at read only
[19:40] <EriC^^> Globalirc: system users don't usually have login capability, the user's hash is ! or * in /etc/shadow
[19:41] <\9> mercenaryship: that's how it should be, your home directory should be writable by your 'normal' user
[19:41] <Saichovsky> Bashing-om: didn't see boot from 1st hard drive on Ubuntu menu
[19:41] <\9> mercenaryship: system should be read-only
[19:41] <BluesKaj> GnomeKris, also make sure loopback is enabled in alsamixer
[19:42] <Saichovsky> I'll try deleting a file I added to /etc/X11
[19:42] <Saichovsky> Or something like that
[19:42] <GnomeKris> Did that too. All I get with it enabled is static in my headphones. No change for hdmi output.
[19:44] <mercenaryship> is verity capable of hashing the system?
[19:45] <GnomeKris> Akik. Sorry if I seem like I ignored your last. That was for 12.04 though, and is quite outdated.
[19:45] <BluesKaj> GnomeKris, ok in the console, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel, there won't be any output if the driver loads properly. You may have to reboot ...this used to be a known bug with the intel audio driver and it still happens occasionally
[19:46] <Bashing-om> Saichovsky: Do not know what I cansay, last I seen was 16.04 ,, and the option was there ( boot the installer ; hold shift (legacy) to see the boot menu .
[19:47] <GnomeKris> I'll try it. Passed the command successfully. Gonna reboot. BRB
[19:48] <Bashing-om> Saichovsky: Yeah , X will read  from that directory , if a bad file (entry) will hose up the works .
[19:49] <Saichovsky> Bashing-om: Moved the file, problem still there
[19:50] <GnomeKris> BluesKaj Still no change.
[19:50] <akik> GnomeKris: modprobe changes the runtime modules live
[19:51] <BluesKaj> GnomeKris, do you have pavucontrol installed ?
[19:51] <GnomeKris> akik, I thought so. Reboot jic though.
[19:51] <GnomeKris> BluesKaj, yes.
[19:51] <Bashing-om> Saichovsky: As advised I do not know Macs, but as you can not activate a console interface . Ouch kernel issue ?
[19:52] <BluesKaj> have you checked the settings there, I have to ask , GnomeKris
[19:53] <GnomeKris> BluesKaj. Yeah, all the settings there are correct. It even shows that audio is being played through hdmi, just cant hear anything.
[19:53] <Saichovsky> Bashing-om: I don't know how to boot to bash. Ctrl-Alt-F1 isn't working. I don't think it's a kernel issue.
[19:54] <Saichovsky> If I choose advanced options under grub and choose a different kernel, the problem is still there
[19:55] <BluesKaj> GnomeKris, what about the audio input setting on the TV, guess if it works on 16.04 ther's not much point checking that ...well i'm out of ideas
[19:56] <akik> GnomeKris: if nothing else helps you could try installing the same kernel as you have on 16.04, just to test
[19:56] <GnomeKris> BluesKaj, there aren't any audio input settings on the tv. I came here because I was out of ideas also, don't feel bad. I appreciate your help.
[19:57] <GnomeKris> akik. Strangely, I believe they are on the same kernel. 4.10 iirc
[19:58] <akik> GnomeKris: my 16.04 is 4.4.0-77
[19:58] <blackrabbit> hi
[20:00] <Bashing-om> Saichovsky: And we are back to booting a live environment and seeing what we can find out .
[20:01] <Saichovsky> Bashing-om: before we do that
[20:01] <Saichovsky> I managed to get some grub messages
[20:01] <Saichovsky> http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/1/view/uk1e992auncewld/Photos/IMG_20170529_225744_HHT.jpg
[20:01] <BluesKaj> GnomeKris, have you tried cranking the volume on the "line" ctrl in alsamixer?
[20:01] <Saichovsky> That's a pic I took using my phone. Does that look normal?
[20:03] <GnomeKris> BluesKaj, haven't before. Tried on your suggestion. No change.
[20:03] <Bashing-om> Saichovsky: Yukkie ! .. boot a liveDVD(USB) . not able to bring up the CPU looks real serious to me .
[20:04] <GnomeKris> akik, my 16.04 is running 4.10 (I manually upgraded). 17.04 is running 4.11
[20:04] <Saichovsky> Bashing-om: thought so too
[20:04] <Saichovsky> But live USB works ok
[20:04] <Saichovsky> So issue is the on-disk installation
[20:04] <GnomeKris> However 17.04 was on 4.10 when I installed. Still had the issue. That was like a week after release.
[20:04] <akik> GnomeKris: interesting
[20:05] <Saichovsky> I Google that message "disabling non-boot CPUs" and it looks like a hibernate issue
[20:05] <BluesKaj> GnomeKris, ok...bummer, anyway I'm done for the day here, I'm sure you'll figure it out with more help, good luck :-)
[20:05] <Saichovsky> Last time I used the MacBook, it was on battery. Battery drained and it must have suspended
[20:06] <Saichovsky> I think we're getting there :-)
[20:06] <akik> GnomeKris: do you use the same graphics module in 16.04 and 17.04 for the radeon card?
[20:06] <GnomeKris> Well, I was gonna say thanks.lmao
[20:07] <GnomeKris> I use amdgpu-pro driver in 16.04 and the open source mesa driver in 17.04. Looking back, I should have mentioned that first. However, amdgpu-pro cannot be installed on 17.04, and I haven't tried open source mesa driver on 16.04 yet.
[20:07] <Bashing-om> Saichovsky: Yeah, that will cause grave issues . How much time ya want to spend on attempting to fix this ?
[20:08] <Elon_Satoshi> Hallo
[20:08] <Saichovsky> Well... It's night time where I'm at. I'll struggle on. I think I'm onto something
[20:08] <Saichovsky> Bashing-om:
[20:08] <Saichovsky> 👆
[20:10] <GnomeKris> isn't there a channel for ubuntu audiophiles?
[20:10] <Bashing-om> Saichovsky: See then what we can do . poke  at it from a live environment, see what bites .
[20:11] <Saichovsky> Bashing-om: OK. I'd need to know what to touch from the live environment. So far, it looks like grub may have something to tinker with, but I guess there's something I can delete from the live environment in order to restore normalcy
[20:12] <akik> GnomeKris: doesn't 17.04 use amdgpu-pro?
[20:15] <Bashing-om> Saichovsky: No real idea as I do not know Mac's boot process . All I know to do is look at what we have in the root partition that all seems sane - or not .
[20:17] <Bashing-om> dabba: Nppt that USB, and pastenin ' sudo fdisk -lu ' so I know where the partitions on the drive are . what our target here is .
[20:17] <Bashing-om> Boot/Nppt
[20:19] <GnomeKris> akik, The open source driver for 17.04 is called amdgpu, but the hybrid driver from amd is called amdgpu-pro. AMD has been slowly moving to a fully open source driver for their gpu's, but it's taking time. Mesa is what the open source drivers are commonly referred to. Right now, 14.04 and newer versions ship with mesa drivers, but they work a lot better with newer ubuntu versions like 16.10 and newer.
[20:19] <lkh> where does gnome-boxes store preferences?
[20:19] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, What model/year is the MBP?
[20:20] <Saichovsky> YankDownUnder: Not sure but I'd assume that it's the latest since I've owned it for a month now
[20:20] <kostkon> lkh, ~/.config is always a safe bet
[20:21] <Saichovsky> YankDownUnder: Model A1398
[20:21] <Saichovsky> That's from the text on the bottom of it
[20:22] <lkh> kostkon: sure thing, problem solved, thanx
[20:22] <mercenaryship> the system is up and running
[20:22] <kostkon> lkh, np
[20:23] <GnomeKris> Guess what I just found...https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/
[20:23] <mercenaryship> is verity the option to go with for save state?
[20:23] <GnomeKris> Look under the R300/R400 column, down where it says HDMI Audio
[20:23] <GnomeKris> N/A\
[20:25] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, 15.4" i7 => AMD GPU and SSD...? (Best guess from the listing)
[20:25] <mercenaryship> hi yank
[20:25] <Saichovsky> Yes, it's a 15", and has a SSD disk
[20:26] <Saichovsky> Not sure about the GPU
[20:26] <mercenaryship> ssd requires dword value
[20:26] <mercenaryship> if dword is wrong the entire drive is questions
[20:27] <mercenaryship> I haven't reimplemented current SSD
[20:28] <mercenaryship> so if it has a dword value it is likely Sancho's
[20:29] <mercenaryship> if you want ssd talk to keeper
[20:29] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, Trying to get my head around the image shown of the boot...puzzles to wake up to with hot coffee...
[20:29] <mercenaryship> and ask which distributor has ssd with current dword values
[20:30] <mercenaryship> yankdownunder trying to get around the block?
[20:30] <mercenaryship> privmsg for a light burdon yankdownunder
[20:31] <Bashing-om> YankDownUnder: Saichovsky Present initramfs corrupted ? is my thought .
[20:31] <Saichovsky> Bashing-om: not sure
[20:31] <mercenaryship> Ubuntu kernel and system up and running any recruits send privmsg for system administrator position
[20:31] <Saichovsky> Bashing-om: YankDownUnder: there seems to be a suspend bug on Xenial tho
[20:32] <Saichovsky> From Google results
[20:32] <Bashing-om> Saichovsky: YankDownUnder is sharp. see what he opts in for .
[20:33] <YankDownUnder> ...this time of the morning... :)
[20:33] <Saichovsky> YankDownUnder: I added a grub parameter "maxcpus=4",now the boot message has stopped at CPU 3is offline
[20:33] <mercenaryship> hacker noon
[20:34] <mercenaryship> getting towards sunset watch out for sandpeople
[20:34] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, yes - suspend bug...my mind is kinda pondering...gimme a few ticks...
[20:34] <Saichovsky> Ok
[20:34] <mercenaryship> (Rodger) sighs
[20:38] <Saichovsky>  YankDownUnder: Bashing-om: recommended fix is upgrading kernel version. But how to do that on a laptop that isn't booting is mind boggling :-D
[20:39] <mercenaryship> \9 say I add apt packages to the system which is read only is there some way to make an overlay which shows bin and sbin writable?
[20:39] <mercenaryship> most packages install there
[20:39] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, Just so's my foggy brain understands - this MBP is not booting at ALL? And you're using a liveUSB to attempt a fix or a modification?
[20:40] <Bashing-om> Saichovsky: Do not think we want to go that route . older kernels were working , find what is broke and fix is my recomendation ,
[20:41] <Saichovsky> YankDownUnder: MBP isn't booting up. Live USB works. I'm still stuck on grub messages because I don't know what I need to do from the live
[20:41] <Saichovsky> Grub messages for the system installation, not the live. Live boots up ok
[20:41] <Saichovsky> Bashing-om: I agree
[20:43] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, Roger that...testing something here...brain brewing.
[20:53] <Saichovsky> YankDownUnder: is there any risk in formatting the swap partition again?
[20:59] <Bashing-om> Saichovsky: Only issue is that the UUID will change and you will have to update /etc/fstab .
[21:01] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, Formatting the swaps? Kinda pointless, then then again, who's to say...
[21:01] <Saichovsky> Bashing-om: YankDownUnder: I guess I won't touch it then
[21:02] <Saichovsky> It's a minute past tomorrow (0001h)
[21:02] <Saichovsky> I'll be back here in about 10 hours
[21:03] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, What are the kernel boot params you're using?
[21:04] <Saichovsky> The default for Xenial... Let me check
[21:06] <Saichovsky> YankDownUnder: ro quiet splash $vt_handoff
[21:07] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, Thought you had something about maxcpu before, too, eh?
[21:07] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, Or was that on the local installation?
[21:08] <Saichovsky> Lol... YankDownUnder: was tinkering with the parameter on grub, trying to debug the display
[21:08] <Saichovsky> That maxcpus=4 only changed the offline cpus to CPU 1 to 3 instead of 1 to 7 as appears in the screenshot
[21:09] <Saichovsky> I had also used no_console_suspend=1 to prevent the screen from going blank/blacking out
[21:09] <Saichovsky> So I could see what was happening behind the black screen
[21:10] <Saichovsky> Those two parameters have nothing to do with the suspend issue
[21:11] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, Fair enough...and as well, just to "know" - have you reset the SMC and PRAM on the Macbook - just to be sure of things?
[21:11] <Saichovsky> SMC & PRAM???
[21:12] <Saichovsky> In English?
[21:17] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, On a Mac (insert model here) - the SMC and PRAM contain settings that sometimes get corrupt. Like resetting a BIOS on a "basic" computer system...in trying to troubleshoot "strange issues", it's highly recommended to reset the SMC and PRAM as part of the troubleshooting process...and it doesn't affect things in a "dangerous way"...as the SMC/PRAM aren't necessarily the same as the BIOS of most "PC" hardware...
[21:18] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, More here: https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201295
[21:20] <Saichovsky> I have MacOS on the same MBP and it's working fine. Is it still OK to tinker with SMC and PRAM? Apologies if I should have mentioned this earlier
[21:20] <Saichovsky> YankDownUnder: 👆
[21:23] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, Resetting the PRAM(NVRAM) and SMC will not in any way muck around with your macOS installation. In some instances, it might actually "make things run smoother" - depending on how many updates/upgrades you've done as of late. I'll assume you've bumped up to macOS 10.12.5 in the past few weeks...
[21:25] <Saichovsky> YankDownUnder: I do know that it's up to date. Never been keen on it - I'm a Linux dude B-)
[21:25] <Saichovsky> Been using Ubuntu till it started acting up this morning
[21:27] <Saichovsky> YankDownUnder: Is this really likely to help things, seeing as the Mac OS is running OK?
[21:27] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, And it started "acting up" - after...um...hmm?
[21:27] <Saichovsky> I left the laptop on last evening, connected to my telly via HDMI and not connected to AC power
[21:27] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, It's PRAM/SMC - not OS specific - hardware specific. Could be some fluke in the PRAM/SMC that is  freaking things out...
[21:28] <Saichovsky> I believe that it must have suspended at some point in the middle of the night
[21:28] <Saichovsky> It wouldn't come on this morning
[21:28] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, Yersh...it would have "suspended" - that's for sure...
[21:28] <Saichovsky> I'll try it out when I wake up then
[21:30] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, Assuming 10 hours for your diurnal resting period...I'll be online by the time you have recharged and resumed living.
[21:31] <Saichovsky> YankDownUnder: Great. We'll link up then. Thanks for the help and for your time!
[21:32] <YankDownUnder> Saichovsky, Cheers and ciao
[21:54] <thyriaen> I just added a ssd to my pc and ubuntu automatically mounts it - however i do not have writing permissions as a normal user - how can i achive that ?
[21:56] <YankDownUnder> thyriaen, Stop being normal? :)
[21:56] <YankDownUnder> thyriaen, Is the SSD formatted? (I'm assuming it is, but asking nonetheless)
[21:56] <thyriaen> YankDownUnder, how can i add that permission to the user though ?
[21:57] <thyriaen> i have tried adding the user to the "disk" group which has enough permissions to /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1
[21:57] <thyriaen> yes it is YankDownUnder
[21:57] <YankDownUnder> thyriaen, Right - and it's formatted as...?
[21:57] <thyriaen> ext4
[21:58] <YankDownUnder> thyriaen, Right oh - fair enough - and what do you have in your /etc/fstab -?
[21:59] <thyriaen> does it have something to do with the format ? i can change it if needed
[21:59] <thyriaen> i only got sda1 und sda2 in my fstab file
[22:00] <YankDownUnder> thyriaen, Nah...just need to know HOW it's being mounted, WHERE it's being mounted, and what kind of donut you're buying me...
[22:00] <thyriaen> ( ext4 / swap partition )
[22:00] <thyriaen> haha
[22:01] <YankDownUnder> thyriaen, If you do a pastebinit of your /etc/fstab - that's a good first step, eh?
[22:01] <thyriaen> sure
[22:01] <thyriaen> https://hastebin.com/okoyinoqag.ini
[22:03] <YankDownUnder> thyriaen, Can you do a pastebinit of: sudo fdisk -l
[22:03] <thyriaen> https://hastebin.com/ubecajowed.pas
[22:04] <thyriaen> i suspect i have to add my sdb1 to fstab in some way ?
[22:05] <YankDownUnder> thyriaen, So the /dev/sdb1 is the target...fair enough...OK...so, then here's a question - where do you wish to mount this SSD? What's the plan, Stan?
[22:06] <monolith> Hey
[22:07] <monolith> I'm an Arch Linux user.  My wifi is acting like shit and I found a forum post for my driver that suggest copying the /etc/modprob.d from an ubuntu image
[22:07] <thyriaen> YankDownUnder, not really sure where i want to mount it - i guess i cant just leave it as a "device" in the list ?
[22:07] <thyriaen> YankDownUnder, i guess i can just mount it to ~/data
[22:07] <monolith> actually
[22:07] <monolith> wait I'm really dumb, sorry
[22:08] <monolith> just realized that it would depend on the driver you have
[22:08] <monolith> bye
[22:08] <thyriaen> good day monolith
[22:08] <Kanov> i bought a new laptop and installed ubuntu on it. however, i ran a SMART test to see the health of the hard-drive and was shocked to see that many parts were deemed to be in a pre-failure or an old-age state. im rather worried about this and would like some insight. here's the complete output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24707940/
[22:10] <YankDownUnder> thyriaen, So the pref is then to mount it to /home/YOURNAME/data => Yersh?
[22:10] <thyriaen> yes
[22:10] <Kanov> can someone take a look at the results?
[22:12] <Bashing-om> Kanov: I see nothing to be concerned about : https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/SMART_tests_with_smartctl#Viewing_the_Test_Results ; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2192335 .
[22:12] <YankDownUnder> So then you'd want to add in your /etc/fstab: UUID=the UUID of the drive /home/YOURNAME/data ext4 rw,nosuid,dev,exec,auto,user,async     0  0
[22:14] <thyriaen> and the UUID i get with blkid
[22:14] <thyriaen> right ?
[22:15] <YankDownUnder> thyriaen, Si, oui, Ja, da, yes.
[22:15] <thyriaen> what does all this stuff do ? rw,nosuid,dev,exec,auto,user,async
[22:15] <Exec> ?
[22:15] <thyriaen> caause the other devices dont have that innit
[22:15] <Exec> oh nvm
[22:16] <thyriaen> YankDownUnder, do i now have to relog so that it takes effect ?
[22:18] <Bashing-om> thyriaen: 'mount -a ' system proof reads to make sure there is not a typo and the file is acceptable .
[22:18] <YankDownUnder> thyriaen, Only after you buy the donuts, bro. -> It's probably best practice to actually reboot, matey.
[22:18] <YankDownUnder> thyriaen, And as Bashing-om says, test it...(donuts first)
[22:18] <thyriaen> mount -a works ( no ouput )
[22:19] <thyriaen> brb ( restarting :P )
[22:19] <YankDownUnder> Cheers
[22:22] <thyriaen> YankDownUnder, did not work - still no permissions
[22:22] <YankDownUnder> thyriaen, Are you an administrator on your system? (Check the user account settings)
[22:22] <YankDownUnder> ...blame the aliens...and Trump...
[22:23] <thyriaen> https://hastebin.com/awirikayid.erl
[22:23] <thyriaen> yes i am administrator
[22:25] <YankDownUnder> thyriaen, Open a terminal. Type: sudo chown -R thyriaen:thyriaen Data
[22:27] <thyriaen> nice it works - thanks a lot YankDownUnder
[22:27] <YankDownUnder> DONUTS. Ahem.
[22:27] <thyriaen> xD
[22:27] <YankDownUnder> Vegetarian donuts, BTW...
[22:28] <mercenaryship> where do unionfs mount scripts go in Ubuntu?
[22:30] <light1> as opposed to non-vegetarian donuts?
[22:31] <Seveas> mmm, bacon donut...
[22:31] <Seveas> apparently, maple bacon donut is really a thing. Now I want one :)
[22:31] <light1> I'm imagining a meat lovers donut now. I am disturbed.
[22:32] <oerheks> mercenaryship, man unionfs > Meta  data information  are  saved  and looked for in the .unionfs/ directories of each branch-root.
[22:33] <Seveas> light1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKPKhPih5Wo
[22:34] <mercenaryship> oerheks no man page there
[22:35] <oerheks> mercenaryship, then look it up online?
[22:37] <Seveas> mercenaryship: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages.gz/zesty/en/man8/unionfs.8.gz
[22:37] <Seveas> err, remove the .gz twice :)
[22:49] <light1> Seveas: Why
[22:50] <oerheks> light1, so you didn't click the url :-D
[22:50] <light1> oh I did
[22:50] <light1> I'm watching it rn
[22:56] <mercenaryship> oerhaks this is mount not the userspace tool
[22:56] <mercenaryship> so a Gentoo guide was followed
[22:57] <mercenaryship> and the scriptures was placed in /etc/init/rc
[22:58] <YankDownUnder> mercenaryship, unionfs => mind if I ask the "why" bit to this?
[22:58] <mercenaryship> for a read only root
[22:59] <YankDownUnder> mercenaryship, Ah...fair enough
[22:59] <mercenaryship> so /etc has been placed as unionfs and it is not working
[23:01] <mercenaryship> the rsv2ce files is scheduled for ext4dev
[23:01] <YankDownUnder> mercenaryship, ...and the $PATH has been double-checked...just asking...
[23:01] <mercenaryship> this was added after the $PATH
[23:02] <mercenaryship> basically mount commands
[23:03] <mercenaryship> it was placed after path in /etc/init.d/rc
[23:03] <mercenaryship> not /etc/init/rc
[23:03] <YankDownUnder> mercenaryship, I ask merely because of "oops!" situations...where the individual doesn't necessarily check/double check processes/steps...I don't like to do an "oops!" on myself...ergo, I ask.
[23:05] <mercenaryship> it is a mount command taken from a Gentoo guide
[23:06] <zerorax> Hey guys, I'm wondering is there is any ways to scale my screen, but not because I have high resoulution, I want to scale it in the other direction so I have the illusion of more screenspace.... I am aware quality of the rendering has to take a hit but I want to try it
[23:06] <mercenaryship> in Gentoo the rc files is somewhere else
[23:06] <mercenaryship> so the mount command is near the top of the file
[23:07] <mercenaryship> this mounts the unionfs and echos the mount line in mtab
[23:08] <mercenaryship> if rc is run anything near the top is supposed to run as if it is a shell script
[23:08] <mercenaryship> this is before any conditional
[23:09] <mercenaryship> after the path
[23:12] <mercenaryship> ah looks like mount doesn't know about unionfs
[23:12] <mercenaryship> unonown fstype
[23:14] <_01101011_> Anyone know of a tmp workaroud for this bug, https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5530 ?
[23:14] <jmadero> hi all - I installed Eclipse using these instructions (https://www.linuxhint.com/install-eclipse-neon-ubuntu/), I can't run the software as normal user, get the following error: /root/.p2/pool/plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.gtk.linux.x86_64_1.1.401.v20161122-1740: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied
[23:15] <mercenaryship> so ubuntu doesn't support unionfs
[23:16] <mercenaryship> is there an alternative for overlaying ?
[23:17] <mercenaryship> if crypto keys are to be used the crypto commands have to be safe
[23:18] <mercenaryship> if the cryptotool can be replaced it makes not sense using crypto
[23:18] <_01101011_> I dont think anyone answers anything complacted here man...
[23:18] <mercenaryship> so here I am making the root read only
[23:21] <_01101011_> su root# chown -R root:root /root && chmod -R 600 /root
[23:22] <mercenaryship> that's another thing
[23:22] <franklyrosalind> Hey, I had been dual-booting Ubuntu 16.04 and Windows 10 and I just ran the upgrade to 17.04, and when I boot it just gives me a grub> prompt.
[23:22] <franklyrosalind> I don't have a LiveCD or means to make one right now, is there another way to fix this?
[23:22] <mercenaryship> _011 that was done and the system became unusable
[23:23] <_01101011_> mer- yes for sure
[23:23] <mercenaryship> root owning the entire fs
[23:24] <mercenaryship> why is that _01101011_
[23:39] <collinanderson> what should i use to rip a dvd? handbrake?
[23:39] <collinanderson> or vlc/ffmpeg or something?
[23:42] <Zombie> I need technical advice on an issue regarding OpenSSL. I need a way to install OpenSSL such that all users, using all applications will accept the authority of a given CA.
[23:44] <YankDownUnder> collinanderson, Handbrake ist zee best.
[23:46] <zerorax> if I install ubuntu 12.04, can I do an upgrade to 13.04 from that? I need specifcally 13.04, and can't find an iso for it
[23:46] <collinanderson> YankDownUnder: and... do i need to mount the dvd or something? (this is 16.04 server...)
[23:47] <YankDownUnder> zerorax, http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/13.04/
[23:47] <zerorax> YankDownUnder, thanks
[23:47] <zerorax> I was googling forever
[23:47] <oerheks> YankDownUnder, good find, even the torrent of 13.04 is gone http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[23:48] <YankDownUnder> collinanderson, Generally - from a desktop perspective, if you insert said DVD and then fire up Handbrake, it will read the DVD and do it's thing. In the case of "server", you may have to mount the DVD and then choose the source...
[23:48] <collinanderson> cool. thanks
[23:48] <nacc> zerorax: why do you want to install an eol release to install an eol release?
[23:49] <YankDownUnder> Have that "old releases" bookmarked...wonder why they're deleting this version...hmm...(must be to make more space)(sarcasm)
[23:49] <zerorax> nacc, because I haven't ported the whole build script setup to support modern tools yet
[23:50] <nacc> zerorax: hopefully you're not running this on any kind of machine you care about then? (as in, public facing IP, etc.)
[23:51] <zerorax> nacc, I don't have any ports forwarded
[23:51] <zerorax> I just need this for building a specific project that was meant to be built with 13.04 and stuff that's hard to get working on 17.04(I have got it working but I made a mess in the process
[23:52] <nacc> zerorax: but also, you've had... what? (13.04 went eol in january 2014) -- 3 years to fix your issues with the build system...
[23:52] <nacc> zerorax: and haven't done it yet?
[23:52] <oerheks> zerorax,  i would go for 14.04 lts then, still supported and does not have systemd
[23:52] <nacc> zerorax: nothing should have been "meant to be built with 13.04". That's terrible terrible software design.
[23:52] <YankDownUnder> nacc, Do programmers adhere to normal time frames? ;)
[23:53] <zerorax> nacc, newer versions support newer ubuntus, I'm pulling an old version, and using it as a base for something else
[23:53] <nacc> zerorax: seems odd, but ok.
[23:54] <zerorax> nacc, I know... But it would take me days to go through all the build scripts the are called by the main one
[23:54] <YankDownUnder> nacc, (possible contractor for Microsoft...)(more sarcasm)
[23:54] <IntelCore> use older versions to run washing machine
[23:58] <IntelCore> why ubuntu put thi on my pc ?
[23:58] <IntelCore> libkf5holidays-data:all 15.12.3-0ubuntu2