[02:46] <cute_swedish5447> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <cute_swedish5447> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <schnurr2139> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <jason7260> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <jason7260> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <schnurr2139> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <lucy_378370> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <EMRE4658> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <saturday8440> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <lucy_378370> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <EMRE4658> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <saturday8440> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <mishka5727> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <mishka5727> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <Guest-146007> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <dark_eyes8521> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <Guest-146007> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <dark_eyes8521> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <Kyla_7855> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <Kyla_7855> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <trevor-uk1371> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <trevor-uk1371> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <slayer736> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <Delvita4677> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <uqineies> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <gowcwoss> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <pwxzb> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <gowcwoss> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <pwxzb> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <ygazive> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <ygazive> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <qritas> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <qritas> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [02:46] <GrizzlyChris4699> bug ticket issued 03-21-2017 [03:03] <duflu> That was random. Sometimes I feel like reminding people that getting free support on a free product is a privilege rather than a right. But there's not usually any tactful place to say it.
[03:09] <duflu> RAOF (or anyone): Should I have used a proper package name on this debdiff? Or does it not matter? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1582213/comments/8
[03:11] <RAOF> duflu: the name of the patch doesn't matter.
[03:11] <RAOF> That looks like you're doing an SRU?
[03:12] <duflu> RAOF: Yes, is this your Clippy voice? :)
[03:12] <RAOF> Heh
[03:19] <duflu> RAOF: Not in a hurry at all, but if I messed something up that is holding up the process please let me know. It's been years since I did SRUs
[03:19] <duflu> Many years
[03:19] <RAOF> That looks pretty sensible.
[03:19] <RAOF> Do all the linked bugs have their SRU paperwork?
[03:20] <duflu> RAOF: Separate descriptions documented, yes
[03:21] <luis30> i guess its correct in stating that ubuntu has no desire to be workable to the masses?
[03:22] <luis30> i think linux is a good concept ..it would be nice if there was a distro that had that as one of its goals is to be workable for average pc users...
[03:23] <luis30> i like ubuntu better than windows a lot better but i know the average pc user would not do well with it
[03:28] <duflu> luis30: Many of us got started working on Ubuntu out of pure frustration that it wasn't quite good enough. I would recommend to anyone to try and turn their frustrations into a positive contribution
[03:30] <duflu> That said, I think Linux desktops in general have too steep a learning curve for contributions. The processes can be too hard to learn or bother with, which is a problem. Perhaps such open source systems should aim to be scripted, so it's easier for people to fix and change things themselves
[03:31] <duflu> or compiled just-in-time. Either way, a more transparent hackable system
[03:37] <luis30> duflu, well maybe a paid linux distro...that is open source that won't go crazy like microsoft..maybe an option to they would have more resources to fix bugs sooner...and some simple steps to make linux more user friendly..some of the steps they could do would be rather easy to change...
[03:38] <luis30> like installing should be auto gdebi or like synaptic package manager...where missing dependicies are auto checked...
[03:39] <luis30> if someone wants to check it they can change it
[03:39] <duflu> IMHO, that's one of the many problems. Linux should use proper grammar - name software with correct capitalization and fewer abbreviations
[03:41] <luis30> another thing linux people like to leave out steps when giving instructions...like if someone needs sudo like maybe sudo gdebi file.deb...dont say gdebi file.deb say sudo gdebi file.deb
[03:41] <luis30> simple things can go a loooong way :P
[03:41] <duflu> Yes, that's true. But we aim ideally to not need shell commands
[03:41] <luis30> i hear ya
[03:43] <luis30> i think it could easily be done especially if its a paid product....where more resources where available
[06:14] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:24] <didrocks> good morning
[06:37] <jamesh> morning didrocks, oSoMoN
[06:40] <didrocks> hey jamesh, oSoMoN!
[08:02] <Laney> moin
[08:05] <seb128> good morning Laney & desktopers
[08:05] <seb128> how are you?
[08:05] <seb128> had a good long w.e?
[08:05] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:05] <oSoMoN> hey seb128
[08:05] <Laney> hey oSoMoN
[08:06] <oSoMoN> short week-end here, but good :)
[08:06] <Laney> very good thanks!
[08:06] <Laney> camping & walking & sun
[08:06] <Laney> then some rain and wind, but that's fun in a tent too
[08:06] <seb128> hey oSoMoN, I saw you yesterday, but indeed channel was very quiet
[08:06] <Laney> what about you?
[08:06] <Laney> oh and we disovered we'd left a candle burning at home the whole time
[08:06] <Laney> since thursday O_O
[08:07] <seb128> we had friends visiting during the w.e so spent some time with them and did a bbq
[08:07] <seb128> oh roland garros started on sunday as well :p
[08:07] <seb128> must be a big candle!
[08:07] <seb128> good that it didn't burn anything else...
[08:08] <Laney> like a church candle
[08:08] <Laney> yeah that's what I was disturbed about
[08:08] <Laney> what's that light in the corner? ....
[08:08] <Laney> "oh shit!"
[08:08] <oSoMoN> wow, good that it didn’t burn the house down
[09:14] <duflu> 624.8% CPU
[09:14] <duflu> win!
[09:49] <Trevinho> duflu: I've 8 of them, I might go faster.
[09:49] <Trevinho> higher*
[09:50] <duflu> Trevinho, yeah same (8 threads, 4 cores). That was me playing 4K video
[09:50] <Trevinho> ouch
[09:50] <duflu> Trevinho, interestingly gnome-shell uses 20% CPU just to blit the image to the screen. That's pretty bad
[09:50] <duflu> But I read it's improving soon
[09:57] <duflu> Note that down as something Mir and Xorg both do much better than Gnome/Wayland
[13:50] <abeato> infinity, hi, I woner if you saw the patch in LP: #1692494, would it be possible to include that in our klibc package?
[14:20] <seb128> Trevinho, didrocks, hey, did you try snaps using the gnome platform since it was renamed from runtine to platform?
[14:21] <didrocks> seb128: I didn't, I guess only your demo snap is using it AFAIK, why?
[14:21] <kenvandine> didrocks, it's not working anymore
[14:21] <seb128> didrocks, because Ken has been building an updated platform one
[14:21] <kenvandine> the content interface isn't being mounted
[14:21] <seb128> and it's not working
[14:21] <seb128> seems the old one is not working either
[14:21] <seb128> I wonder if something went wrong during the renames
[14:22] <didrocks> I thought you tried with the demo snap? I can have a look if I spot anything in the wrapper quickly
[14:22] <seb128> the mountpoint is empty
[14:22] <seb128> the wrapper doesn't have to do with the content mount iirc?
[14:22] <didrocks> no
[14:22] <didrocks> snapd does
[14:22] <didrocks> once you connected them
[14:22] <seb128> k, weird
[14:23] <seb128> do you know if there is any debug output about that
[14:23] <didrocks> last time I look, there was none
[14:23] <didrocks> looked*
[14:23] <seb128> my laptop still has snapd 2.16
[14:23] <seb128> so I don't think it's a snapd update regression
[14:23] <didrocks> kenvandine, you have 2.25, correct?
[14:23] <ogra_> seb128, the running snapd binary doesnt come from the deb ...
[14:24] <didrocks> seb128: well, snap --version reports 2.16?
[14:24] <ogra_> seb128, tyr "snap version" to se the real running binary
[14:24] <didrocks> snapd reexec
[14:24] <ogra_> yeah
[14:24] <seb128> $ snap --version
[14:24] <seb128> snap    2.16ubuntu3
[14:24] <seb128> snapd   2.16ubuntu3
[14:24] <kenvandine> snap    2.26.1+17.10
[14:24] <kenvandine> snapd   2.26.1+17.10
[14:24] <seb128> ken is on uptodate artful
[14:24] <kenvandine> and we're both seeing the same thing
[14:24] <ogra_> and you are on trusty ?
[14:24] <seb128> I'm on xenial
[14:25] <ogra_> how do you manage to be on such an old snapd
[14:25] <didrocks> mind pastebining the snapcraft.yaml?
[14:25] <seb128> I didn't do updates for a while on that laptop
[14:25] <ogra_> -updates gets a new one every few weeks
[14:25] <seb128> didrocks, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ghex/snap-share-content/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml
[14:25] <kenvandine> didrocks, even the version in the store doesn't work
[14:25] <kenvandine> which i have to assume worked at some point
[14:26] <didrocks> what's the share content definition?
[14:26] <seb128> didrocks, snaps are on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+snap/ghex-shared-udt
[14:26] <seb128> didrocks, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ghex/snap-share-content/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml#L15?
[14:26] <seb128> or what do you call definition?
[14:26] <didrocks> the platform snap
[14:27] <seb128> didrocks, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+junk/snap-gnome-udt/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml
[14:27] <didrocks> kenvandine: so, you do have an empty gnome-platform/, correct?
[14:27] <didrocks> thanks
[14:27] <kenvandine> didrocks, yes
[14:27] <seb128> correct
[14:27] <didrocks> yeah, everything looks ok
[14:28] <didrocks> so snap interfaces shows them connected?
[14:28] <seb128> didrocks, you can sudo snap install --edge gnome318-udt
[14:28] <didrocks> and nothing happends?
[14:28] <seb128> and the snap from the build page I copied a bit earlier
[14:28] <seb128> $ snap interfaces
[14:28] <seb128> Slot                            Plug
[14:28] <seb128> gnome318-udt:gnome318-platform  ghex-udt
[14:29] <seb128> I wonder if that plug is correct
[14:29] <didrocks> just one question, did you run it, get an issue, and then rerun it?
[14:29] <ogra_> i dont think the content interface worked correctly in that early snapd version (that indeed doesnt explain why it doesnt work for ken either)
[14:29] <didrocks> ogra_: supposed to be released in July 2016 :)
[14:29] <seb128> ogra_, I tried on that box because the gnome platform was working there
[14:29] <seb128> so it was to rule out a snapd update issue
[14:30] <seb128> didrocks, no error that I know no
[14:30] <ogra_> yeah
[14:30] <didrocks> seb128: I'm asking because you need to clear the namespace
[14:30] <didrocks> so, if you run it once
[14:30] <didrocks> get missing slot connection
[14:30] <didrocks> connect it
[14:30] <didrocks> rerun it
[14:30] <didrocks> it will fail
[14:30]  * didrocks installs the snaps
[14:32] <didrocks> cannot change current working directory to the original directory: No such file or directory
[14:32] <didrocks> is that what you get? ^
[14:32] <kenvandine> no
[14:32] <seb128> no, I don't see any error here
[14:32] <kenvandine> i got nothing
[14:32] <didrocks> devmode?
[14:32] <kenvandine> no
[14:32] <didrocks> weird
[14:32] <didrocks> that's what I'm getting here
[14:32] <didrocks> installed the 2 snaps
[14:32] <seb128> sudo snap install --devmode ghex-udt_git_..
[14:33] <didrocks> connect them
[14:33] <didrocks> ah
[14:33] <didrocks> so, devmode for seb
[14:33] <kenvandine> ah, i didn't try devmode :)
[14:33] <didrocks> I'm not in devmode
[14:33] <didrocks> nice, reinstalling without remove it in devmode is exposing more snapd bugs
[14:33] <didrocks> $ sudo snap install --devmode ghex-udt_git_amd64.snap
[14:33] <didrocks> 2017-05-30T16:33:22+02:00 INFO cannot auto connect ghex-udt:unity7 to core:unity7: (plug auto-connection), existing connection state "ghex-udt:unity7 core:unity7" in the way
[14:33] <seb128> isn't devmode needed to use content sharing if snaps don't come from the same provider?
[14:34]  * didrocks remove and reinstalled
[14:34] <didrocks> seb128: I don't think so
[14:34] <kenvandine> oh, i think you are right
[14:34] <kenvandine> but still, you used devmode and had the same results :)
[14:34] <didrocks> still the same issue
[14:34] <didrocks> I'm in /tmp
[14:34] <didrocks> ok, out of /tmp, no bug
[14:34] <seb128> bah, now ghex starts
[14:34] <kenvandine> i think content sharing is only for same provider
[14:34] <didrocks> starts here
[14:35] <seb128> but ls of the mountdir is still emty
[14:35] <seb128> empty
[14:35] <kenvandine> weird
[14:35] <didrocks> well
[14:35] <seb128> /snap/ghex/current/gnome-runtime
[14:35] <kenvandine> oh, because it can access the root fs
[14:35] <seb128> platform
[14:35] <didrocks> it's in a mount namespace
[14:35] <didrocks> you can't see it like that :)
[14:35] <kenvandine> snap run --shell ghex-udt
[14:35] <didrocks> yep
[14:35] <kenvandine> should show the contents right?
[14:35] <didrocks> ls into that subshell ^
[14:35] <kenvandine> yes
[14:35] <didrocks> $ ls /snap/ghex-udt/x1/gnome-platform/
[14:35] <didrocks> etc  lib  metasbin  usr  var
[14:36] <didrocks> so, yeah, working
[14:36] <kenvandine> ok... so i guess my problem was lack of devmode
[14:36] <kenvandine> since they aren't from the same provider
[14:36] <didrocks> kenvandine: let me retry without devmode
[14:36] <didrocks> just to confirm
[14:36]  * didrocks removes the snap
[14:36] <seb128> same, works now
[14:37] <seb128> I think my issue was that I run the command first
[14:37] <seb128> got the error
[14:37] <seb128> then did the connect
[14:37] <didrocks> didn't clear the namespace…
[14:37] <seb128> and that didn't work
[14:37] <didrocks> yep
[14:37] <didrocks> reported many times
[14:37] <seb128> maybe the helper message should mention the workaround :p
[14:37] <kenvandine> i'll test with my new snap in a few
[14:37] <kenvandine> thanks guys
[14:37] <didrocks> seb128: "nice" :/ the tutorials does TBH
[14:37] <seb128> like "remove, reinstall"
[14:38] <kenvandine> i was running it to get the exact command to run to connect it :)
[14:38] <didrocks> kenvandine: works in non devmode here
[14:38] <didrocks> so, only with --dangerous
[14:38] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:38] <didrocks> I guess it's the namespace clearing as for seb128 ^
[14:39] <didrocks> (that's why I explicitely asked if you run the command before connecting…)
[14:39] <didrocks> the weird thing is that I read that it's not needed anymore a couple of weeks ago in their email
[14:39] <didrocks> (also, the "run a command from /tmp" error message isn't really clear)
[14:40] <seb128> didrocks, thanks for the help
[14:40] <didrocks> yw :)
[14:40] <didrocks> glad that it's only this TBH
[14:40] <seb128> it had been a while, I had forgotten about those annoying details
[14:40] <seb128> yeah, me too
[14:40] <didrocks> feel free to open a PR or merge the message
[14:40] <didrocks> better than nothing I guess
[14:40] <seb128> will do
[14:40] <seb128> is there a bug open about that on snapd?
[14:41] <seb128> just to reference in a comment
[14:41] <didrocks> yes
[14:41]  * seb128 looks
[14:41] <kenvandine> bingo
[14:42] <didrocks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-platform/+bug/1671421
[14:42] <seb128> thanks
[14:42] <didrocks> fix is: "sudo /usr/lib/snapd/snap-discard-ns <snap_name>"
[14:42] <seb128> shrug
[14:42] <didrocks> hum, Xiao opened it at the wrong place
[14:43] <seb128> I was going to say, we should probably have something reported against snapd
[14:43] <didrocks> I did ask though to add multiple tasks…
[14:44] <didrocks> added the correct tasks
[15:30] <seb128> oh oh oh
[15:30] <seb128> it's meeting time!
[15:30] <seb128> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:30]  * didrocks was expecting "christmas" with this intro
[15:30] <kenvandine> :)
[15:30] <heber> o/
[15:30] <seb128> :-)
[15:31] <didrocks> where is Trevinho? :)
[15:31] <oSoMoN> o/
[15:31] <seb128> laaate
[15:31] <seb128> ok, let's get started
[15:32] <seb128> #topic andyrock
[15:32] <jbicha> o/
[15:32] <seb128> oh, ups
[15:32] <seb128> #startmeeting
[15:32] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May 30 15:32:09 2017 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:32] <seb128> better :-)
[15:32] <seb128> #topic andyrock
[15:32] <seb128> he sent an email saying he's stucked in traffic so here is his update
[15:32] <seb128> # I m adding unit tests to the changes done on software-properties for live-patch
[15:32] <seb128> # finished the Ubuntu sso dialogue
[15:32] <seb128> # self review and 360
[15:32] <seb128> # eow
[15:33] <seb128> #topic dgadomski
[15:33] <seb128> dgadomski, hey
[15:33] <dgadomski> hey
[15:33] <dgadomski> * I was involved mostly in non-desktop issues this week
[15:33] <dgadomski> * published a darktable classic-confinement snap, using it on a daily basis
[15:33] <dgadomski> eof
[15:33] <seb128> thanks dgadomski
[15:33] <dgadomski> thanks
[15:33] <seb128> #topic didrocks
[15:33] <seb128> didrocks, lut
[15:33] <didrocks> hey
[15:33] <didrocks> * AWS related work:
[15:33] <didrocks>   - Got some issues and blocked on a particular missing mqtt bug, waiting on Amazon answer (the code isn't opensource, so I can't debug it myself). Currently blocked on this.
[15:33] <didrocks>   - Everyone had access to the new features had their pre-beta cred revoked for a couple of days. Then, when things went back on, had to recreate from scratch all contents.
[15:34] <didrocks>   - Enhance both our core and sample snaps so that bootstrapping is way easier.
[15:34] <didrocks>   - Their 0.9 rollout was backward incompatible both in code and configuration, realizing that 0.8 wasn't working with it in weird and subtle ways, then getting access the next day with 0.9 and remake the snaps with the updated content. (So, now back to the first bullet point bug!)
[15:34] <didrocks>   - Sync up with Jamie S. on security side, preparing an easy snap for him so that he doesn't fall into all those traps.
[15:34] <didrocks> * HR: self and peer reviews
[15:34] <didrocks> * 4 days week
[15:34] <didrocks> .
[15:34] <seb128> thanks didrocks
[15:34] <seb128> #topic duflu
[15:35] <seb128> * PulseAudio:
[15:35] <seb128>   - SRU of A2DP Bluetooth audio fixes to xenial:
[15:35] <seb128>     . Produced, tested and proposed the SRU for xenial.
[15:35] <seb128>     . Might not be the final word, but it's still not even in proposed yet. Please wait.
[15:35] <seb128>   - Spent time testing and investigating audio noise on Dell Sputnik:
[15:35] <seb128>     https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1654448
[15:35] <seb128>   - Completed review of the hottest Pulse bugs (summary in Trello). Interestingly a couple more of the top hottest Pulse bugs might also be resolved by that SRU.
[15:35] <seb128> * BlueZ:
[15:35] <seb128>   - Spent time trying to backport upstream bluez fixes to xenial in order to fix connection problems slowing the testing of pulseaudio fixes. No joy yet, but I also stopped trying.
[15:35] <seb128>   - Completed review of the hottest BlueZ bugs (summary in Trello).
[15:35] <seb128> * ubuntu-themes: Completed a full pass through the 200+ bug backlog. Closed around 30, and set 98 more to expire in July.
[15:35] <seb128> * gnome-shell: Daily bug deduplication and triage.
[15:35] <seb128> * Mir:
[15:35] <seb128>   - Dipped back into Mir briefly to tidy up the release of 0.26.3, which is now in artful, and soon xenial.
[15:35] <seb128>   - Prepared Mir trunk for rebranching 0.27 in future (never released but is large). I only jumped in because I kept hearing that was the plan, but nobody had prepared the project for it.
[15:35] <seb128> * Video acceleration: Just starting to think about this properly now. No news.
[15:36] <seb128> #topic jbicha
[15:36] <seb128> jbicha, hey
[15:36] <jbicha> • Upstreamed appstream metadata for GNOME's Cantarell font
[15:36] <jbicha> • Worked with upstream to add working appstream metadata to Lohit (Indic) fonts and packaged the latest versions in Ubuntu
[15:36] <jbicha> • Figured out why Ubuntu's GNOME Software home page is missing the Add-ons subcategories for Fonts and Input Sources and let x_imion know.
[15:36] <jbicha> • Added Tweak Tool switch to move window buttons to the left or right. LP: #1010851
[15:37] <jbicha> eof
[15:37] <seb128> thanks jbicha
[15:37] <seb128> #topic jamesh
[15:37] <seb128> jamesh, you around? I don't think I got your update but maybe will did and didn't forward it to me?
[15:38] <seb128> seems not, ok let's move on
[15:39] <seb128> #topic jibel/heber
[15:39] <heber> Hey guys! for the QA side:
[15:39] <seb128> jibel said that heber would be there
[15:39] <seb128> hey heber :-)
[15:39] <heber> - Added upgrades from Xenial to Zesty and Artful
[15:39] <heber> - Submitted fix for Ubiquity tests but there are still some issues to investigate.
[15:39] <heber> - ISO, ubiquity and upgrade tests results  are being reported to Grafana dashboard. Though there is an issue in the metrics to solve for ISO results.
[15:39] <heber> EOF
[15:40] <seb128> thanks heber
[15:40] <seb128> #topic kenvandine
[15:40] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[15:40] <kenvandine> * gnome-3-24 xenial platform snap is available on LP, however in testing the content interface is not being mounted.  I finally tested gnome318-udt from the store and reproduced the same issue.  Perhaps something has changed in snap, or it's broken in artful, investigating now.
[15:40] <kenvandine> * Self review
[15:40] <kenvandine> * Processed the data from the OMG Ubuntu poll and drafted an email to share with GNOME engagement team as well as a blog post to be published soon.
[15:40] <kenvandine> * Short week, US holiday yesterday
[15:40] <kenvandine> eof
[15:40] <kenvandine> oh, that's outdated :)
[15:41] <seb128> lol
[15:41] <kenvandine> thanks to didrocks and seb128 to help figure out the snap problem
[15:41] <seb128> :-)
[15:41] <didrocks> yw!
[15:41] <seb128> yw
[15:41] <kenvandine> that's it for me
[15:41] <seb128> thanks kenvandine
[15:41] <seb128> #topic Laney
[15:41] <seb128> Laney, hey
[15:41] <Laney> • 3.5 day week (yay)
[15:41] <Laney> • Set up asgen environment in lxd, adapt backports (mustache-d, meson, lmdb, gir-to-d, ...) & stuff to requirements of trunk on xenial, some tweaks to make arbitrary prefixes work (just finished that 2 minutes ago)
[15:42] <Laney> ∘ that is all epic yak shaving - now I can actually do work on this stuff again
[15:42] <Laney> • ubuntu-dev-tools: Fix for retrying builds in non-dev release / non release pockets, fix unit tests, some tweaks after git conversion, upload to exp
[15:42] <Laney> • Some more theme reviews
[15:42] <Laney> • Self review @ HR
[15:42] <Laney> • Some cycle planning / work to be done discussions
[15:42] <Laney> ☁
[15:42] <seb128> thanks Laney
[15:43] <seb128> topic #oSoMoN
[15:43] <seb128> oSoMoN, hey
[15:43] <seb128> ups
[15:43] <seb128> #topic oSoMoN
[15:43] <seb128> hey oSoMoN :-)
[15:43] <oSoMoN> hey
[15:43] <oSoMoN> • chromium updates in PPAs: beta to 59.0.3071.71, dev to 60.0.3107.4
[15:43] <oSoMoN> • chromium 59 should be promoted to stable this week, will follow closely to have it pushed to artful and security pockets for supported releases ASAP
[15:43] <oSoMoN> • completed self and peers review
[15:43] <oSoMoN> • working on a chromium-browser snap (currently built from the debs)
[15:43] <oSoMoN> • bought a chromecast device to investigate bug #1621753, struggling to get it set up atm
[15:43] <oSoMoN> EOF
[15:43] <seb128> thanks oSoMoN
[15:44] <jbicha> oSoMoN: will the 59 SRU use gtk3?
[15:44] <seb128> oSoMoN, I still have your chromium update on my list, sorry for the delay
[15:44] <oSoMoN> jbicha, yes
[15:44] <oSoMoN> seb128, you mean libreoffice?
[15:44] <jbicha> yay! :)
[15:44] <seb128> oSoMoN, DOH
[15:44] <seb128> yes :-)
[15:44] <oSoMoN> :)
[15:45] <seb128> thanks oSoMoN
[15:45] <seb128> #topic seb128
[15:45] <jbicha> chromium was the last gtk2 app on my computer
[15:45] <seb128> oh, sorry, jbicha asked a question
[15:45] <seb128> and got replied
[15:45] <seb128> bah, will teach me to type my status update at the same time and now following :p
[15:45] <seb128> • thursday was a day off in France, enjoyed the weather
[15:45] <seb128> • some meetings and discussions about team plans for the cycle
[15:45] <seb128> • tested/debugged gnome platform snap with Ken
[15:45] <seb128> • HR reviews
[15:45] <seb128> • joined a meeting about desktop QA
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[15:46] <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
[15:46] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[15:46] <tkamppeter> - CUPS: Print queue auto-creation bugs got all fixed by Mike Sweet (author of CUPS).
[15:46] <tkamppeter> - CUPS: Asked for printer list filtering feature for enterprise networks, where many DNS-SD-reported network printers can clutter print dialogs. Johannes Meixner, printing guru of SUSE, agrees with the suggestion, Mike Sweet did not answer yet.
[15:46] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Worked out roadmap for the development of cups-browsed taking into account the new queue auto-creation facility of CUPS.
[15:46] <tkamppeter> - system-config-printer: Submitted all Ubuntu patches upstream, upstream maintainer (Red Hat) accepted them immediately and without changes. Merged Ubuntu package with all Debian changes and updated it to newest upstream GIT snapshot with all patches included. Patches are for driverless printing support, silencing console, and minor fixes.
[15:46] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2017: Mentoring the students who already started some coding, planning of the student projects.
[15:46] <tkamppeter> - rawtherapee: Updated to 5.1 in Universe (More as a user, I use it to fix some photos here and there, saw the announcement on DPReview some weeks ago).
[15:46] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:47] <seb128> thanks tkamppeter
[15:47] <seb128> #topic Trevinho
[15:47] <seb128> Trevinho, hey
[15:47] <Trevinho> · Wrote a blog post about GNOME theming call for testing
[15:47] <Trevinho> · 360 and self reviews...
[15:47] <Trevinho> · Fixed appmenu titlebar theming
[15:47] <Trevinho> · Fixed headerbar buttons border-radius in Radiance
[15:47] <Trevinho> · Fixed mutter new experimental monitor configs to ignore hotplug_mode_update in VMs
[15:47] <Trevinho> · Studying all the mutter, gnome-shell code for fractional scaling and looking in libgnome-shell code to support missing elements
[15:47] <Trevinho>  - EOF 🏄
[15:47] <seb128> waouh, he's around
[15:47] <seb128> i'm impressed :-)
[15:47] <Trevinho> seb128: sure I am...
[15:47] <didrocks> well done!
[15:47] <seb128> thanks Trevinho
[15:47] <Trevinho> I was waiting for you guys... ;-)
[15:48] <seb128> #topic robert_ancell
[15:48] <seb128> - GNOME Software paid support patch upstreaming
[15:48] <seb128> - Started on app permission in GNOME Software (i.e. slots and plugs in the snap world)
[15:48] <seb128> - Working on getting the GDM greeter working in LightDM
[15:48] <seb128> #topic aob
[15:48] <seb128> I think that was it
[15:48] <seb128> did I forgot anyone?
[15:48] <seb128> any other topic?
[15:49] <Laney> overview on the seed update status?
[15:49] <Laney> is it just the gdm mir?
[15:49] <kenvandine> yes
[15:50] <kenvandine> last i checked still waiting for security
[15:50] <seb128> do we need the lightdm/gnome-shell work?
[15:50] <seb128> or what do we miss without that?
[15:50] <jbicha> seb128: right now, gnome-shell has a hard dep on the gdm gir but maybe that could be removed?
[15:51] <seb128> worth trying I guess
[15:52] <seb128> willcooke might know the status better
[15:52] <seb128> I'm going to try to get an update from him and/or robert_ancell
[15:52] <jbicha> ok, I can ask Robert about that
[15:52] <jbicha> or you can :)
[15:52] <seb128> if you are around at the same time as he is please do
[15:52] <seb128> on the channel if you can
[15:52] <jbicha> sure
[15:52] <seb128> I might still be aorund or at least read log
[15:52] <seb128> thanks
[15:53] <seb128> ok, let's trying to nag a bit people and get that moving this week
[15:53] <seb128> any other topic?
[15:53] <seb128> seems not...
[15:53] <seb128> k, let's call it a meeting then
[15:53] <seb128> thanks everyone
[15:53] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:53] <seb128> #endmeeting
[15:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May 30 15:53:48 2017 UTC.
[15:53] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-05-30-15.32.moin.txt
[15:54] <Laney> good meeting!
[15:54] <seb128> reflect the quality of this team!
[15:54] <kenvandine> :)
[15:54]  * didrocks sends flowers on the path
[15:54] <seb128> :-)
[15:55] <oSoMoN> awesome meeting :)
[16:28] <infinity> abeato: Can you submit it to Debian?
[16:29] <abeato> infinity, ok, will do, which is the suggested way for that?
[16:32] <infinity> abeato: File a bug with debbugs.
[16:33] <abeato> infinity, got it, thanks
[17:42] <gQuigs> if Unity specific packages are the only ones blocking a sync (not quite yet, but getting close), are we ok dropping the unity patches? -  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virt-manager/+bug/1667114
[19:06] <jbicha> gQuigs: do you have a screenshot of virt-manager's appindicator?
[19:08] <jbicha> I've been talking with sunweaver (Mike Gabriel) from Debian MATE who is working on introducing indicator support to Debian
[19:08] <jbicha> https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/ayatana-indicator-application_0.5.1-1.html
[19:08] <jbicha> sunweaver: oh hi, I didn't realize you were lurking in this channel :)
[19:09] <gQuigs> jbicha: nope. I don't think I've seen it... will check
[19:09] <jbicha> anyway, his implementation is a little different so it's not clear yet whether it could be used by Unity
[19:10] <jbicha> I think the general idea is that we aren't dropping patches or diffs from Debian for changes that help Unity support unless they are holding Ubuntu back
[19:11] <jbicha> or we have a good reason to want to drop the support
[19:11] <jbicha> but I don't think that's a firm policy
[19:13] <gQuigs> jbicha: the icon is https://github.com/virt-manager/virt-manager/blob/master/data/icons/48x48/apps/virt-manager.png except with a grey box around it
[19:14] <gQuigs> you have to enable it in Edit->Preferences
[19:14] <jbicha> gQuigs: ok, but what happens when you click the icon? :)
[19:15] <gQuigs> jbicha: I'm not running under gnome-shell atm, but can retest on it if it's useful
[19:16] <gQuigs> it displays quit, show virt-manager, then QEMU/KVm with more options for every VM
[19:16] <jbicha> gQuigs: GNOME Shell doesn't support appindicators
[19:20] <jbicha> gQuigs: oh, it's just a binary dependency? then it's possible to push to Debian something like the patch at https://bugs.debian.org/863288
[19:20] <gQuigs> jbicha: I thought they just got somewhat hidden in the bottom left, at least that's what happens with pidgin for me..
[19:43] <sunweaver> jbicha: I worked on aytana-indicator-session quite a bit today.
[19:43] <sunweaver> added native MATE support to it.
[19:43] <sunweaver> jbicha: I am not at all through with all the indicator-* applets...
[19:44] <sunweaver> only -application and -session are "done".
[19:44] <sunweaver> -power looks promising.
[19:48] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Thanks for attending the docs meeting. Much appreciated!
[19:50] <jbicha> GunnarHj: thanks for all the work you've been doing, I've mostly just been advising :)
[19:51] <GunnarHj> jbicha: But very good advices, I'd say.
[21:17] <jbicha> robert_ancell: hi, we mentioned you in today (yesterday)'s meeting about whether it was feasible to drop gnome-shell's dep on gdm3 to speed switching Ubuntu to GNOME
[21:17] <robert_ancell> jbicha, i.e. use lightdm?
[21:18] <jbicha> currently, gnome-shell won't start if the gdm3 gir isn't installed
[21:19] <robert_ancell> jbicha, we'd have to patch it to make it optional, right?
[21:19] <jbicha> but gdm3's mir hasn't been approved yet (it's the last thing we need for minimal gnome-shell)
[21:20] <jbicha> yes
[21:21] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I can look at doing that if we're OK with using unity-greeter and the lock screen being suboptimal
[21:21] <robert_ancell> I guess it's a step forward
[21:22] <jbicha> I think it's up to you to look at how difficult that would be
[21:23] <jbicha> but at this point, I don't think we necessarily want gdm3 in main when 17.10 is released, right?
[21:24] <robert_ancell> jbicha, that's the ideal plan. I'm having some trouble getting gnome-shell to play nice as a greeter without GDM (it has rendering errors I'm not sure why are occurring).
[21:24] <jbicha> or we could ask Security to excuse gdm3 for now and we can do a full MIR later if we do end up wanting gdm3 after all?
[21:24] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I think that would be safest - how opposed is security to it?
[21:26] <sarnold> I only barely scratched the surface of the mir
[21:26] <sarnold> but it's somethin glike 100k lines of code which seems high to me
[21:26] <robert_ancell> sarnold, to it's primarily a time issue?
[21:26] <sarnold> yes; even though it pre-empted other reviews, it itself was pre-empted by other higher-priority issues
[21:26] <jbicha> sarnold: would a temporary MIR exception be ok?
[21:26] <sarnold> jbicha: those tend to become permanent quickly..
[21:27] <sarnold> if upstream is reactive enough the issues you've already filed it'd probably be more reasonable to consider a temproary "go ahead and I'll only yell if it looks terrible"
[21:27] <jbicha> ok, I was just exploring options and nudging a bit :)
[21:27] <sarnold> yes, thanks; squeaky wheels -do- get grease, hehe
[21:30] <sarnold> hrm, no motion on any of them. it was a nice long weekend in the US and most of europe so maybe I shouldn't expect too much yet, but even a "yes thanks" would have been nice