[05:57] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:48] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:05] <jamesh> Okay, so I've got gnome-builder to open a snapcraft project, successfully build it, and produce a snap file
[07:06] <jamesh> just need to get it to show the user where the snap file is
[07:13] <didrocks> good morning jamesh & others
[07:13] <jamesh> hi didrocks
[07:24] <MrMojit0> Is it correct that when I have installed Wine I cannot configure applications for Windows 10
[07:24] <duflu> Morning didrocks. Gday jamesh
[07:25] <duflu> MrMojit0: AFAIK Ubuntu does not officially offer Wine. Try the channel #winehq (https://www.winehq.org/irc)
[07:25] <duflu> If it works it works, but Ubuntu does not provide the support for it
[07:26] <MrMojit0> Thank you for the information and the channel I´m kinda new to the Ubuntu world :)
[07:31] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:46] <andyrock> good morning
[07:48] <duflu> Hey andyrock
[07:52] <didrocks> hey andyrock
[07:59] <willcooke> morning all
[08:01] <didrocks> wb willcooke!
[08:01] <didrocks> how was your extended week-end?
[08:01] <willcooke> very good thanks!
[08:02] <Laney> yo
[08:04] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:14] <Laney> hey didrocks
[08:14] <Laney> you good?
[08:15] <seb128> hey Laney didrocks desktopers
[08:15] <seb128> how is everyone today?
[08:15] <oSoMoN> hey seb128, I’m fine and you?
[08:17] <didrocks> re seb128
[08:17] <didrocks> Laney: I'm great, thanks! Still some hours of lack of sleep, but otherwise, good
[08:17] <didrocks> can't wait for today's rain (around 1PM)
[08:17] <didrocks> you?
[08:21] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:21]  * Laney is good!
[08:21] <Laney> did a lot of weeding at the allotment last night
[08:21] <Laney> that actually wasn't good
[08:21]  * Laney gets depressed
[08:22] <Laney> but wait, I ate the first strawberry of this year's crop
[08:22]  * Laney gets undepressed
[08:22] <jamesh> hi seb128.  Sorry I forgot to send my report through to you last night.
[08:24] <didrocks> first strawberry -> nice!
[08:26]  * oSoMoN likes strawberries
[08:26] <willcooke> duflu, koza - I can't do the BT sync meeting today, sorry
[08:27] <duflu> willcooke, No problem. Actually zero BT news from me. koza?
[08:27] <oSoMoN> I managed to get my chromecast set up yesterday, the initial update started downloading when I moved the router closer to the device. Much closer
[08:27] <duflu> Oh, almost zero. I mentioned a little in the summary yesterday'
[08:28]  * willcooke reads the meeting notes
[08:28] <willcooke> (later)
[08:28] <oSoMoN> it was initially located 1.5m from the router, and that apparently wasn’t close enough…
[08:29] <duflu> oSoMoN, I was impressed by the FHD Chromecast in others' houses. Then tried the UHD one at mine -- weirdly faulty. Covered in grease from factory, and only ethernet worked, not wifi
[08:29]  * duflu shrugs
[08:30] <duflu> Hurray for easy refunds
[08:30] <didrocks> oSoMoN: is it a chromecast 1 or 2?
[08:30] <didrocks> and busy wifi signals close to you?
[08:30] <oSoMoN> 2nd gen, but not the Ultra
[08:31] <oSoMoN> not that many signals, I mean I never had problems with any of my devices before that
[08:31] <didrocks> weird that in my busy wifi place, I have better results with the 1.
[08:31] <didrocks> yeah
[08:31] <didrocks> I do have problems with my laptop, but never with my chromecast (1)
[08:31] <duflu> I'm also not impressed that a consumer device like that can't be configured without a Google account (and thus google tracking everything)
[08:32] <duflu> Same with Android really
[08:32] <oSoMoN> yeah, that sucks (and it actually requires an android device too, can’t do the initial set up from chrome on linux)
[08:32] <Laney> but did you reproduce the bug? :-)
[08:32] <jamesh> It is definitely a walled garden
[08:32] <Laney> hey jamesh
[08:33] <duflu> Of course you can create a dummy account, set it up for guest mode and done, I guess
[08:33] <oSoMoN> Laney, I did, yes! now looking into fixing it
[08:33] <didrocks> duflu: well, part of their strategy, I think you know what you get when buying such products
[08:33] <jamesh> While the Chromecast is essentially just displaying web pages, you can't get it to display arbitrary pages by URL: you need to ask it to display an "application ID", which causes it to ping Google and ask it for the URL of the application ID
[08:33] <duflu> didrocks: Yes. Everything is free from Google so long as you pay with a little of your soul
[08:34] <jamesh> duflu: guest mode actually requires a connection to Google
[08:34] <jamesh> and you only need it if you want people not connected to your wifi to be able to control the chromecast
[08:34] <jamesh> hi Laney
[08:34] <duflu> jamesh: Ha, yes of course
[08:35] <jamesh> duflu: in Guest mode, rather than talking directly to the Chromecast over wifi, the RPC goes via Google's servers.  The pairing is done by the PIN displayed on the idle screen, or broadcast via ultrasonics through the TV speaker
[08:36] <jamesh> i.e. proof that you're sitting in front of the device the Chromecast is plugged into
[08:36] <oSoMoN> I’m definitely not going to use it for anything else but testing, it’s easy enough to plug my laptop into the TV to play content
[08:37] <duflu> oSoMoN: Also bonus feature: If your TV is on a different input and someone starts using the Chromecast it will instruct the TV to switch to Chromecast
[08:38] <duflu> No touching remote controls
[08:38] <willcooke> (if your TV supports CEC)
[08:38] <jamesh> There's no way to restrict access to people who are connected to your wifi: disabling guest mode makes no difference there
[08:38] <duflu> Yes
[08:43] <oSoMoN> man, that device is *evil*
[08:44] <duflu> Heh. Didn't Google stop using the line "don't be evil"?
[08:45] <duflu> Maybe not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil
[08:45] <duflu> It really was a low bar to set
[08:45] <seb128> jamesh, no worry for the meeting notes, maybe send them anyway for the record if you have them, otherwise try to remember next week
[08:46] <willcooke> please cc me for the newsletter on Friday ^
[08:46] <jamesh> okay
[08:48] <seb128> thx
[08:50] <oSoMoN> « in October 2015, the motto was replaced in the Alphabet corporate code of conduct by the phrase "Do the right thing" »
[08:50] <oSoMoN> now that’s better, of course it’s the right thing to do from a business perspective
[09:10] <MrMojit0> What is better to download and install 16.04 2 LTS or 17.04? Are there any considerations I need to keep in mind?
[09:11] <jamesh> MrMojit0: what is more important to you? Having the latest and greatest, or having a more relaxed upgrade schedule?
[09:13] <jamesh> as a non-LTS release, 17.04 will only be supported until January next year, so you'd need to upgrade to 17.10 before then
[09:13] <MrMojit0> jamesh: I´m new so aldo I´m going to use Ubuntu I need to make sure I´m protect well and the support is there when I need have support. So it´s not gonna be.. o your running 17.04, sorry no support there yet or manual available
[09:15] <jamesh> MrMojit0: 16.04 is a long term support release, so it will continue to be supported for 5 years after release (until 2021), and can be directly upgraded to the next LTS release (18.04 next year)
[09:17] <jamesh> MrMojit0: from what you say, the LTS release might be the better choice for you.
[09:17] <MrMojit0> jamesh: So you suggest 17.04 LTS
[09:25] <fossfreedom> MrMojit0, 16.04 is the LTS release - from what you said that is what you should consider using.
[10:01] <duflu> willcooke, forgot to take notes, but did update the important card in Trello
[10:01] <duflu> With notes :)
[10:02] <duflu>  Other topics are already covered by other existing cards in the 17.10 desktop board
[10:02] <duflu> -are +were
[10:02] <willcooke> thanks duflu, great work on Bluetooth, much appreciated
[10:03] <duflu> Nothing is moving yet. Don't thank me :)
[10:03] <duflu> Night
[10:33] <willcooke> MrMojit0, Just FYI you should checkout the #ubuntu channel as well.  You'll be able to get a lot of info from there.
[10:55] <MrMojit0> willcooke: I´m also idle in that channel. I thought this would be the main channel for desktop/laptop
[10:55] <MrMojit0> Thank you anyways for the advice
[10:56] <willcooke> MrMojit0, this is mainly a channel for developers working on the desktop, rather than users of the desktop.  But we're a friendly bunch :)
[10:57] <MrMojit0> willcooke: Thank you I will keep that in mind for when I have questions
[11:10] <jbicha> good morning
[11:14] <willcooke> morning jbicha
[11:14] <oSoMoN> good morning jbicha
[11:41] <MrMojit0> Goodmorning
[15:13] <Beret> willcooke, how goes the gnome transition?
[15:20] <willcooke> hey Beret, its coming along.  Waiting on a security review to complete on gdm and then I think we're about there.  Some more testing with LightDM and Wayland needed as well, and that's going on too
[15:22] <Beret> willcooke, too early for us to be kicking the tires?
[15:23] <willcooke> Beret, yeah, but not by much.  We have some PPAs, but really I'd not recommend that as a good way to play with it.  We'll be sure to put the word out once those last few issues are sorted and if you can wait another week or so I think it'd be preferable
[15:25] <Beret> ok, will do, thanks for the udpate
[15:25] <Beret> update
[16:35] <kenvandine> seb128, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+junk/snap-gnome-3-24/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml
[16:35] <kenvandine> works well
[16:35] <seb128> kenvandine, great
[16:36] <kenvandine> and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+junk/ghex-snap-gnome-3-24/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml
[16:36] <kenvandine> for the ghex snap
[16:36] <kenvandine> requires my branch of snapcraft-desktop-helpers
[16:37] <seb128> did you test on xenial as well?
[16:37] <kenvandine> not yet
[16:37] <kenvandine> local builds are arful are good
[16:37] <seb128> I can do that tomorrow if you awnt
[16:37] <seb128> great
[16:37] <kenvandine> sure
[16:37] <kenvandine> i can do it this afternoon as well
[16:37] <seb128> I guess we can both test, doesn't hurt :-)
[16:38] <kenvandine> annoying that we need those work arounds still :(
[16:45] <kenvandine> seb128, latest ghex snap isn't built on LP yet, waiting for it to notice the branch changed
[17:18] <seb128> kenvandine, k
[17:18] <kenvandine> seb128, it's built now
[17:19] <seb128> great
[17:19]  * kenvandine is annoyed that his laptop has a key that closes the current window
[17:19] <kenvandine> no modifier...
[17:20] <kenvandine> just the key next to the refresh key... closes the current window :)
[17:20]  * kenvandine lost lots of tabs
[17:20] <willcooke> ctrl-shift-t ftw
[17:21] <kenvandine> no... chrome didn't try to restore the tab
[17:21] <kenvandine> and it didn't remember the tabs that got closed
[17:21] <kenvandine> grrr
[17:21] <kenvandine> i don't recall ever hitting this before... maybe that key didn't work in unity :)
[17:22] <kenvandine> it's between the volume up and the refresh keys... just waiting to accidentally be hit
[17:23] <kenvandine> i use both of those keys often, over the past 2 years i must have accidentally hit it...
[18:14] <oSoMoN> I got chromecast to work in chromium, yay
[18:23] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, woot
[18:43] <willcooke> nicely done oSoMoN
[18:43] <seb128> oSoMoN, woot :-)
[18:44] <oSoMoN> yeah, the patch was quite simple, figuring out how to set up the chromecast device was the hard part :)
[18:44] <willcooke> haha
[18:44] <willcooke> Must be about time to do some "testing" of Netflix about now then?
[18:46] <oSoMoN> there’s a patch to enable loading the widevine plugin installed by chrome, but I haven’t tested it (don’t have a netflix subscription)
[18:46] <oSoMoN> willcooke, feedback welcome if you have netflix
[18:47] <jbicha> oSoMoN: do you have a ppa with that widevine patch?
[18:47] <mdeslaur> TIL some people don't have Netflix
[18:47] <willcooke> oSoMoN, sure thing.  Can you drop me an email about how to get it installed and I'll give it a go.  Busy with finishing reviews now, so will give it a go over the weekend
[18:47] <jbicha> maybe that's the secret to oSoMoN's productivity :)
[18:47] <oSoMoN> jbicha, no PPA needed, the patch is in the repos already
[18:47] <willcooke> :D
[18:48] <mdeslaur> hehe :)
[18:48] <oSoMoN> :)
[18:48] <sarnold> :)
[18:48] <jbicha> oSoMoN: it's already in your May 10 update?
[18:49] <oSoMoN> jbicha, it should be, lemme check
[18:50] <willcooke> oh, so it's literately, go to Netflix and watch a movie?  I can probably handle that.
[18:50] <willcooke> literally
[18:50] <oSoMoN> willcooke, see https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/zesty-working/view/head:/debian/patches/widevine-other-locations
[18:51] <oSoMoN> just install the chrome deb from their website, and that should do it
[18:52] <willcooke> so install Chromium and Chome on Z and it should "just" work?
[18:52] <oSoMoN> in theory, yes
[18:52] <willcooke> right on
[18:53] <willcooke> bah, now I find myself firing up a VM and not doing reviews.
[18:53] <willcooke> a pox on all your houses
[18:55] <jbicha> willcooke: oSoMoN: shouldn't that work in Xenial too then?
[18:56] <oSoMoN> jbicha, yes, the same patch is applied on xenial too
[22:56] <willcooke> night all