[20:30] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tumbler/0.1.92.1-0ubuntu1
[21:19] <knome> !team | meeting in 40ish
[21:19] <flocculant> might be awake in 40ish
[21:52] <bluesabre> flocculant: be awake
[21:52] <knome> :)
[21:52] <bluesabre> Unit193: nice :)
[22:00] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[22:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed May 31 22:00:04 2017 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[22:00] <knome> #chair bluesabre 
[22:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre knome
[22:00] <knome> who's here for the meeting?
[22:00] <pleia2> o/ for a few minutes
[22:00] <flocculant> not me - I'm after popcorn
[22:00] <bluesabre> o/
[22:00] <slickymasterWork> 0/
[22:01] <slickymasterWork> provided the hotel wifi keeps working :P
[22:01] <flocculant> slickymasterWork: nothing we've not noticed before then :D
[22:01] <slickymasterWork> lol
[22:01] <slickymasterWork> true
[22:01] <knome> we don't seem to have a long agenda, so this is likely quick... but let's go anyway
[22:01] <knome> #topic Open action items
[22:02] <knome> bluesabre, the thunar SRU?
[22:02] <bluesabre> You betcha
[22:02] <knome> is done? :)
[22:02] <bluesabre> Nope
[22:02] <knome> hah.
[22:02] <knome> #action bluesabre to get the Thunar SRU out
[22:02] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre to get the Thunar SRU out
[22:02] <knome> everything else is done
[22:02] <bluesabre> #info thunar SRU, still in progress, hasn't been released into proposed yet, will be nudging, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1679488
[22:03] <knome> ta
[22:03] <knome> #topic Updates and Announcements
[22:03] <flocculant> well - the sru in action items was done :p
[22:03] <knome> flocculant, oh well... :)
[22:03] <knome> i don't have anything for announcements
[22:03] <bluesabre> I do
[22:03] <knome> well, xfce infrastructure has been getting better ;)
[22:04] <bluesabre> #info xfce4-weather-plugin SRU, also not yet released to -proposed, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-weather-plugin/+bug/1688056
[22:04] <bluesabre> Xfce apps too
[22:04] <knome> what's our milestone participation status?
[22:04] <flocculant> beta(s)
[22:05] <knome> oki, not around the corner yet
[22:05] <flocculant> nah
[22:05] <knome> anything else from people?
[22:05] <bluesabre> Nope, but hopefully we'll have some interesting things in artful soon
[22:05] <bluesabre> new parole this week
[22:05] <flocculant> I got confused with May and June when I mentioned milestones ...
[22:05] <knome> :)
[22:05] <bluesabre> Lots of GTK3 porting progress in Xfce land, will be trying to get some of that in Artful
[22:06] <bluesabre> So, Xfce testing would be a huge boost right now :)
[22:06] <flocculant> bluesabre: cool - I'm bored :)
[22:06] <bluesabre> :D
[22:06] <slickymasterWork> lol
[22:06] <bluesabre> Unit193 added a new tumbler package, should support wine thumbnails
[22:06] <bluesabre> If I am not mistaken
[22:07] <bluesabre> The indicator stack has landed in Debian, so there might be some news there in the near future
[22:07] <Unit193> bluesabre: s/should/does/, been using it since yesterday.  Found a problem with that too. :P
[22:08] <bluesabre> :D
[22:08] <bluesabre> welcome Unit193 
[22:08] <bluesabre> I don't think there's any other announcements from me right now
[22:08] <knome> oki, others?
[22:09] <flocculant> nada
[22:09] <bluesabre> checking the release schedule for important dates
[22:09] <slickymasterWork> nothing here
[22:09] <knome> well, that kind of reminds me
[22:09] <bluesabre> Feature Definition Freeze was the 25th :D
[22:09] <knome> we need to get the slideshow stuff going earlier this cycle
[22:09] <flocculant> bluesabre: dates are on burndown btw
[22:09] <knome> slickymasterWork, ^
[22:09] <flocculant> indeed
[22:10] <slickymasterWork> ack knome 
[22:10] <knome> #topic Discussion
[22:10] <flocculant> now would be as good a time as any
[22:10] <knome> nothing on the agenda
[22:10] <knome> does anybody want to bring up something on the spot?
[22:10] <knome> #action knome to figure out some marketing stuff for getting ideas for the slideshow
[22:10] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to figure out some marketing stuff for getting ideas for the slideshow
[22:11] <flocculant> what about other artwork stuffs
[22:11] <knome> like what?
[22:12] <flocculant> I don't know - just everything artwork always lands really really late
[22:12] <bluesabre> There's some chatter on the mailing lists regarding slideshow deadlines and i386 to keep an eye on
[22:12] <knome> i'm trying to get it out sooner, but it's what it is :|
[22:12] <knome> bluesabre, yeah, thus the slideshow discussion above ;)
[22:12] <flocculant> which is why we ended up with a default wallpaper you couldn't see fsck notice on
[22:12] <Unit193> xfce4-terminal, xfce4-dict, xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin, xubuntu-artwork all sawuploads.
[22:13] <bluesabre> Yeah, wanted to clarify
[22:13] <knome> flocculant, acknowledged
[22:13] <flocculant> knome: ack - and I'm not blaming you - as I;ve said before maybe try and get community involved more
[22:13] <flocculant> and not right at the last minute ;)
[22:13] <knome> does anybody wnat to talk about 32-bit and/or have an opinion about it?
[22:13] <flocculant> other flavours and Ubuntu all manage to do that
[22:14] <flocculant> obviously you don't want to talk about art then
[22:14] <bluesabre> We have at least one 32bit team member
[22:14] <Unit193> Makes more sense to keep wallpaper contests at LTS releases tome.
[22:14] <flocculant> Unit193: why?
[22:15] <bluesabre> I agree with that
[22:15] <flocculant> bluesabre: why?
[22:15] <knome> flocculant, i don't have a problem talking about art, but i've acknowledged your worry that stuff lands (too) late but at the same time, real life is what real life is
[22:15] <Unit193> flocculant: Well, that's a looot of effort to put into voting, selecting, etc for every cycle.
[22:15] <bluesabre> Mainly because it's the "stable" milestone
[22:15] <bluesabre> and something additional to hype the release
[22:15] <knome> i agree with Unit193 and bluesabre too, mostly because we haven't got too many submissions even on the contests we've done this far - we don't want to make it happen more often
[22:15] <bluesabre> and what Unit193 says
[22:16] <Unit193> And a decent point in time to put the marker.
[22:16] <flocculant> ok - so I see no reason why we can't start planning for that now - because in less than 6 months it will be the lts cycle
[22:16] <knome> the contest website is ready for submissions, it'll take 5 mins to set it up
[22:16] <bluesabre> Definitely a good idea to plan and schedule, though we have the infra for it now
[22:16] <bluesabre> knome beat me to that
[22:16] <flocculant> because if we don't - then it will be March and still we#ll be thinking about doing something 
[22:17] <flocculant> but I'll shutup and wait for when it's too late for that cycle
[22:17] <pleia2> it even has ssl now!
[22:17] <flocculant> I have no opinion on 32bit 
[22:18] <bluesabre> architectures is a boring topic :D
[22:18] <flocculant> when there is something concrete to discuss then I'll make my mind up 
[22:19] <flocculant> bluesabre: damn right - I had to do Gothic :(
[22:19] <bluesabre> There was a suggestion in the ML to include gnome-font-viewer... I'm in favor of this suggestion
[22:19] <bluesabre> flocculant: haha
[22:20] <flocculant> bluesabre: so was I once I woke up to the right package :p
[22:20] <flocculant> oooh - also what about the core iso - are we going to try again?
[22:21] <bluesabre> We'd like to, but it's really hard to get the folks that can do anything about it to do anything about it
[22:21] <knome> bluesabre, want to follow up on that thread and potentially set up a team vote?
[22:22] <bluesabre> flocculant: We provide the patches, they don't get reviewed :\
[22:22] <knome> yes, my take on core is that it's always been the plan to make it official
[22:22] <flocculant> bluesabre: has it been discussed recently?
[22:22] <bluesabre> flocculant: Haven't checked in a while
[22:22] <flocculant> mmk
[22:22] <bluesabre> knome: sure, I'll do that
[22:23] <bluesabre> #action bluesabre to follow up on gnome-font-viewer inclusion and set up team vote
[22:23] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre to follow up on gnome-font-viewer inclusion and set up team vote
[22:23] <flocculant> I know I've not seen anything where I lurk - didn't know about elsewhere
[22:23] <knome> bluesabre, thanks
[22:23] <knome> #action knome to poke infinity about xubuntu core/base again
[22:23] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to poke infinity about xubuntu core/base again
[22:24] <knome> #action knome to update the contest website plugin from staging
[22:24] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to update the contest website plugin from staging
[22:24] <bluesabre> Are there any other development related things folks want to discuss?
[22:24] <knome> or any other xubuntu-related things?
[22:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'm a tad confused about what gtk3 xfce we have/expecting tbh
[22:26] <flocculant> not even sure what's on iso currently - if at all
[22:26] <flocculant> 'the problem with using our ppa's' :)
[22:26] <flocculant> bluesabre: but don't need to know here and now ...
[22:27] <bluesabre> flocculant: Not sure for what we expect to have, depends on what gets done early this cycle... but we have xfce4-terminal, parole, mousepad, exo, several plugins already in
[22:27] <knome> bluesabre, Unit193 (and ochosi): i think i've asked this before, but could you put up some kind of summary about this?
[22:27] <flocculant> bluesabre: will we see panel?
[22:27] <knome> i know it's a moving target and a lot depends on what happens on the xfce side, but maybe some sketch
[22:27] <flocculant> knome: yea :)
[22:28] <bluesabre> I think I'll set up a wiki page where we can track this with some accuracy
[22:28] <flocculant> ty
[22:28] <knome> well we have the first GTK3 release of panel out, so in terms of schedule, yes, it should probably be landing
[22:28] <knome> bluesabre, ta, that'd be helpful
[22:28] <flocculant> I use the panel 
[22:29] <bluesabre> There's some fixes coming along for the panel, but it might be good enough for release, nudge ochosi for specifics
[22:29] <knome> considering we're releasing on october and it's barely june here, i think we should be safe to say enough fixes have landed before freezes
[22:29] <knome> but again... who knows what happens :)
[22:29] <bluesabre> Yeah
[22:30] <bluesabre> I'll be doubling down on the settings manager again after this parole release, so that might even be release worthy this cycle
[22:30] <bluesabre> Definitely lots of fun things to play with
[22:31] <flocculant> bluesabre: if there's a more or less working git one of those I can install it 
[22:31] <bluesabre> flocculant: I'll look into that... I think we have something somewhere, or we can
[22:31] <flocculant> I think I did some checking and bug reporting last cycle for that on bugzilla
[22:31] <knome> #action bluesabre to put up a wikipage for traking GTK3-enabled components of Xfce in Xubuntu
[22:31] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre to put up a wikipage for traking GTK3-enabled components of Xfce in Xubuntu
[22:32] <bluesabre> thanks knome
[22:32] <knome> np
[22:33] <bluesabre> Nothing more from me atm
[22:33] <knome> so... any other discussions or action items that should be added to make sure the discussions here are continued as needed?
[22:34] <bluesabre> oh
[22:34] <knome> :)
[22:34] <bluesabre> Do we want to have some sort of flexible schedule for these meetings going forward, like a monthly checkin?
[22:34] <bluesabre> The Council just decided to get this one rolling late last week
[22:35] <knome> based on flocculant's suggestion
[22:35] <knome> anyway, i was about to suggest that we try to schedule the next meeting between 1-3 weeks from the last one
[22:35] <knome> so ideally every 2 weeks
[22:35] <knome> but give some wiggle room because life
[22:35] <flocculant> didn't we do that before?
[22:36] <knome> i think yes at least when i was chairing each meeting :P
[22:36] <bluesabre> :D
[22:36] <knome> i mean, i don't mind chairing now and then
[22:36] <knome> even on others' turns if they suddenly can't come
[22:36] <flocculant> well - on the other hand - milestones come regularly - why not just do one week prior? 
[22:36] <knome> that's all perfectly fine
[22:37] <knome> i just hope that nobody has to be the person that is expected to chair every time :)
[22:37] <bluesabre> I'm also not opposed to chairing more frequently, but my schedule usually misses everyone elses
[22:37] <flocculant> nothing to stop having more than then
[22:37] <knome> flocculant, definitely more coordination around milestones is needed
[22:37] <flocculant> mmm
[22:37] <knome> might be useful to have one meeting 2 weeks before and one meeting 1 week before each milestone
[22:38] <bluesabre> Sounds reasonable to me
[22:39] <knome> i think we can agree with bluesabre that the council can take the chairing for at least some of those meetings if it looks like the next-up-chair can't
[22:39] <knome> or even:
[22:39] <knome> schedule the meeting dates now, and the next-up-chair at that point chairs at a time that works for them - if the date isn't suitable for them at all, council takes the chair
[22:40] <knome> with two betas that makes up to 4 "extra" meetings for council and i have no problem doing half of them if time permits
[22:41] <knome> #nick council
[22:41] <flocculant> knome: right - well I kind of meant use the 'milestones' not necessarily the ones we participate in 
[22:41] <knome> #action council to have a talk about meetings before milestones
[22:41] <meetingology> ACTION: council to have a talk about meetings before milestones
[22:41] <knome> flocculant, aha... ack :)
[22:42] <knome> anyway, from my POV it's better if the schedule can be organic
[22:42] <flocculant> heh
[22:42] <knome> unless there are milestones we participate in etc
[22:42] <bluesabre> +1
[22:43] <knome> so... anything else?
[22:43] <flocculant> nope
[22:43] <bluesabre> nada
[22:44] <slickymasterWork> niente
[22:44] <knome> ok
[22:44] <knome> #topic Schedule next meeting
[22:44] <knome> #action slickymasterWork to schedule next meeting
[22:44] <meetingology> ACTION: slickymasterWork to schedule next meeting
[22:44] <knome> slickymasterWork, in the next 1-3 weeks please :P
[22:44] <knome> #endmeeting
[22:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed May 31 22:44:42 2017 UTC.  
[22:44] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2017/xubuntu-devel.2017-05-31-22.00.moin.txt
[22:44] <knome> thanks everybody
[22:44] <bluesabre> thanks knome
[22:44] <knome> i'll put up the minutes a tad later
[22:44] <Unit193> 'Welcome.
[22:44] <slickymasterWork> thanks knome 
[22:45] <flocculant> thanks knome 
[22:45] <knome> noooo worries
[22:45] <bluesabre> what about that one?
[22:45] <knome> nope, not even  that
[22:45]  * bluesabre is impressed
[22:46] <bluesabre> dinner time, bbl
[22:46] <knome> bon appetit
[22:46] <flocculant> night all
[22:46] <knome> nighty flocculant 
[22:48] <Unit193> xubuntu-artwork - 17.04 → 17.10; Bump to 17.10. (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/17.10)
[22:48] <Unit193> xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin - 0.2.4-2 → 0.2.5-0ubuntu1; Re-connects to pa now. (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin/0.2.5-0ubuntu1)
[22:48] <Unit193> xfce4-dict - 0.7.99-0ubuntu1 → 0.8.0-0ubuntu1; First stable release. (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-dict/0.8.0-0ubuntu1)
[22:48] <Unit193> xfce4-terminal - 0.8.4-1 → 0.8.5.1-0ubuntu3; Bugfix release.
[22:49] <Unit193> tumbler - 0.1.31-2build4 → 0.1.92.1-0ubuntu1; development based on gdbus, add support for *.thumbnailers (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tumbler/0.1.90-0ubuntu1, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tumbler/0.1.92.1-0ubuntu1)
[22:49] <Unit193> Little late, but just after meeting is close enough.\
[22:49] <knome> :P
[22:49] <knome> i'm sure that was intentional
[22:49] <Unit193> Eh, well I was at a funeral, then had to get part of supper on.
[22:50] <knome> ouch
[22:50] <knome> i'm sorry.