[20:30] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tumbler/0.1.92.1-0ubuntu1 [21:19] !team | meeting in 40ish [21:19] meeting in 40ish: team is akxwi-dave, bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 [21:19] might be awake in 40ish [21:52] flocculant: be awake [21:52] :) [21:52] Unit193: nice :) [22:00] #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting [22:00] Meeting started Wed May 31 22:00:04 2017 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [22:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [22:00] #chair bluesabre [22:00] Current chairs: bluesabre knome [22:00] who's here for the meeting? [22:00] o/ for a few minutes [22:00] not me - I'm after popcorn [22:00] o/ [22:00] 0/ [22:01] provided the hotel wifi keeps working :P [22:01] slickymasterWork: nothing we've not noticed before then :D [22:01] lol [22:01] true [22:01] we don't seem to have a long agenda, so this is likely quick... but let's go anyway [22:01] #topic Open action items [22:02] bluesabre, the thunar SRU? [22:02] You betcha [22:02] is done? :) [22:02] Nope [22:02] hah. [22:02] #action bluesabre to get the Thunar SRU out [22:02] ACTION: bluesabre to get the Thunar SRU out [22:02] everything else is done [22:02] #info thunar SRU, still in progress, hasn't been released into proposed yet, will be nudging, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1679488 [22:02] Launchpad bug 1679488 in thunar (Ubuntu Zesty) "Thunar freezes when left inactive for a while" [Undecided,In progress] [22:03] ta [22:03] #topic Updates and Announcements [22:03] well - the sru in action items was done :p [22:03] flocculant, oh well... :) [22:03] i don't have anything for announcements [22:03] I do [22:03] well, xfce infrastructure has been getting better ;) [22:04] #info xfce4-weather-plugin SRU, also not yet released to -proposed, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-weather-plugin/+bug/1688056 [22:04] Launchpad bug 1688056 in xfce4-weather-plugin (Ubuntu Xenial) "Package outdated" [Undecided,In progress] [22:04] Xfce apps too [22:04] what's our milestone participation status? [22:04] beta(s) [22:05] oki, not around the corner yet [22:05] nah [22:05] anything else from people? [22:05] Nope, but hopefully we'll have some interesting things in artful soon [22:05] new parole this week [22:05] I got confused with May and June when I mentioned milestones ... [22:05] :) [22:05] Lots of GTK3 porting progress in Xfce land, will be trying to get some of that in Artful [22:06] So, Xfce testing would be a huge boost right now :) [22:06] bluesabre: cool - I'm bored :) [22:06] :D [22:06] lol [22:06] Unit193 added a new tumbler package, should support wine thumbnails [22:06] If I am not mistaken [22:07] The indicator stack has landed in Debian, so there might be some news there in the near future [22:07] bluesabre: s/should/does/, been using it since yesterday. Found a problem with that too. :P [22:08] :D [22:08] welcome Unit193 [22:08] I don't think there's any other announcements from me right now [22:08] oki, others? [22:09] nada [22:09] checking the release schedule for important dates [22:09] nothing here [22:09] well, that kind of reminds me [22:09] Feature Definition Freeze was the 25th :D [22:09] we need to get the slideshow stuff going earlier this cycle [22:09] bluesabre: dates are on burndown btw [22:09] slickymasterWork, ^ [22:09] indeed [22:10] ack knome [22:10] #topic Discussion [22:10] now would be as good a time as any [22:10] nothing on the agenda [22:10] does anybody want to bring up something on the spot? [22:10] #action knome to figure out some marketing stuff for getting ideas for the slideshow [22:10] ACTION: knome to figure out some marketing stuff for getting ideas for the slideshow [22:11] what about other artwork stuffs [22:11] like what? [22:12] I don't know - just everything artwork always lands really really late [22:12] There's some chatter on the mailing lists regarding slideshow deadlines and i386 to keep an eye on [22:12] i'm trying to get it out sooner, but it's what it is :| [22:12] bluesabre, yeah, thus the slideshow discussion above ;) [22:12] which is why we ended up with a default wallpaper you couldn't see fsck notice on [22:12] xfce4-terminal, xfce4-dict, xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin, xubuntu-artwork all sawuploads. [22:13] Yeah, wanted to clarify [22:13] flocculant, acknowledged [22:13] knome: ack - and I'm not blaming you - as I;ve said before maybe try and get community involved more [22:13] and not right at the last minute ;) [22:13] does anybody wnat to talk about 32-bit and/or have an opinion about it? [22:13] other flavours and Ubuntu all manage to do that [22:14] obviously you don't want to talk about art then [22:14] We have at least one 32bit team member [22:14] Makes more sense to keep wallpaper contests at LTS releases tome. [22:14] Unit193: why? [22:15] I agree with that [22:15] bluesabre: why? [22:15] flocculant, i don't have a problem talking about art, but i've acknowledged your worry that stuff lands (too) late but at the same time, real life is what real life is [22:15] flocculant: Well, that's a looot of effort to put into voting, selecting, etc for every cycle. [22:15] Mainly because it's the "stable" milestone [22:15] and something additional to hype the release [22:15] i agree with Unit193 and bluesabre too, mostly because we haven't got too many submissions even on the contests we've done this far - we don't want to make it happen more often [22:15] and what Unit193 says [22:16] And a decent point in time to put the marker. [22:16] ok - so I see no reason why we can't start planning for that now - because in less than 6 months it will be the lts cycle [22:16] the contest website is ready for submissions, it'll take 5 mins to set it up [22:16] Definitely a good idea to plan and schedule, though we have the infra for it now [22:16] knome beat me to that [22:16] because if we don't - then it will be March and still we#ll be thinking about doing something [22:17] but I'll shutup and wait for when it's too late for that cycle [22:17] it even has ssl now! [22:17] I have no opinion on 32bit [22:18] architectures is a boring topic :D [22:18] when there is something concrete to discuss then I'll make my mind up [22:19] bluesabre: damn right - I had to do Gothic :( [22:19] There was a suggestion in the ML to include gnome-font-viewer... I'm in favor of this suggestion [22:19] flocculant: haha [22:20] bluesabre: so was I once I woke up to the right package :p [22:20] oooh - also what about the core iso - are we going to try again? [22:21] We'd like to, but it's really hard to get the folks that can do anything about it to do anything about it [22:21] bluesabre, want to follow up on that thread and potentially set up a team vote? [22:22] flocculant: We provide the patches, they don't get reviewed :\ [22:22] yes, my take on core is that it's always been the plan to make it official [22:22] bluesabre: has it been discussed recently? [22:22] flocculant: Haven't checked in a while [22:22] mmk [22:22] knome: sure, I'll do that [22:23] #action bluesabre to follow up on gnome-font-viewer inclusion and set up team vote [22:23] ACTION: bluesabre to follow up on gnome-font-viewer inclusion and set up team vote [22:23] I know I've not seen anything where I lurk - didn't know about elsewhere [22:23] bluesabre, thanks [22:23] #action knome to poke infinity about xubuntu core/base again [22:23] ACTION: knome to poke infinity about xubuntu core/base again [22:24] #action knome to update the contest website plugin from staging [22:24] ACTION: knome to update the contest website plugin from staging [22:24] Are there any other development related things folks want to discuss? [22:24] or any other xubuntu-related things? [22:25] bluesabre: I'm a tad confused about what gtk3 xfce we have/expecting tbh [22:26] not even sure what's on iso currently - if at all [22:26] 'the problem with using our ppa's' :) [22:26] bluesabre: but don't need to know here and now ... [22:27] flocculant: Not sure for what we expect to have, depends on what gets done early this cycle... but we have xfce4-terminal, parole, mousepad, exo, several plugins already in [22:27] bluesabre, Unit193 (and ochosi): i think i've asked this before, but could you put up some kind of summary about this? [22:27] bluesabre: will we see panel? [22:27] i know it's a moving target and a lot depends on what happens on the xfce side, but maybe some sketch [22:27] knome: yea :) [22:28] I think I'll set up a wiki page where we can track this with some accuracy [22:28] ty [22:28] well we have the first GTK3 release of panel out, so in terms of schedule, yes, it should probably be landing [22:28] bluesabre, ta, that'd be helpful [22:28] I use the panel [22:29] There's some fixes coming along for the panel, but it might be good enough for release, nudge ochosi for specifics [22:29] considering we're releasing on october and it's barely june here, i think we should be safe to say enough fixes have landed before freezes [22:29] but again... who knows what happens :) [22:29] Yeah [22:30] I'll be doubling down on the settings manager again after this parole release, so that might even be release worthy this cycle [22:30] Definitely lots of fun things to play with [22:31] bluesabre: if there's a more or less working git one of those I can install it [22:31] flocculant: I'll look into that... I think we have something somewhere, or we can [22:31] I think I did some checking and bug reporting last cycle for that on bugzilla [22:31] #action bluesabre to put up a wikipage for traking GTK3-enabled components of Xfce in Xubuntu [22:31] ACTION: bluesabre to put up a wikipage for traking GTK3-enabled components of Xfce in Xubuntu [22:32] thanks knome [22:32] np [22:33] Nothing more from me atm [22:33] so... any other discussions or action items that should be added to make sure the discussions here are continued as needed? [22:34] oh [22:34] :) [22:34] Do we want to have some sort of flexible schedule for these meetings going forward, like a monthly checkin? [22:34] The Council just decided to get this one rolling late last week [22:35] based on flocculant's suggestion [22:35] anyway, i was about to suggest that we try to schedule the next meeting between 1-3 weeks from the last one [22:35] so ideally every 2 weeks [22:35] but give some wiggle room because life [22:35] didn't we do that before? [22:36] i think yes at least when i was chairing each meeting :P [22:36] :D [22:36] i mean, i don't mind chairing now and then [22:36] even on others' turns if they suddenly can't come [22:36] well - on the other hand - milestones come regularly - why not just do one week prior? [22:36] that's all perfectly fine [22:37] i just hope that nobody has to be the person that is expected to chair every time :) [22:37] I'm also not opposed to chairing more frequently, but my schedule usually misses everyone elses [22:37] nothing to stop having more than then [22:37] flocculant, definitely more coordination around milestones is needed [22:37] mmm [22:37] might be useful to have one meeting 2 weeks before and one meeting 1 week before each milestone [22:38] Sounds reasonable to me [22:39] i think we can agree with bluesabre that the council can take the chairing for at least some of those meetings if it looks like the next-up-chair can't [22:39] or even: [22:39] schedule the meeting dates now, and the next-up-chair at that point chairs at a time that works for them - if the date isn't suitable for them at all, council takes the chair [22:40] with two betas that makes up to 4 "extra" meetings for council and i have no problem doing half of them if time permits [22:41] #nick council [22:41] knome: right - well I kind of meant use the 'milestones' not necessarily the ones we participate in [22:41] #action council to have a talk about meetings before milestones [22:41] ACTION: council to have a talk about meetings before milestones [22:41] flocculant, aha... ack :) [22:42] anyway, from my POV it's better if the schedule can be organic [22:42] heh [22:42] unless there are milestones we participate in etc [22:42] +1 [22:43] so... anything else? [22:43] nope [22:43] nada [22:44] niente [22:44] ok [22:44] #topic Schedule next meeting [22:44] #action slickymasterWork to schedule next meeting [22:44] ACTION: slickymasterWork to schedule next meeting [22:44] slickymasterWork, in the next 1-3 weeks please :P [22:44] #endmeeting [22:44] Meeting ended Wed May 31 22:44:42 2017 UTC. [22:44] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2017/xubuntu-devel.2017-05-31-22.00.moin.txt [22:44] thanks everybody [22:44] thanks knome [22:44] i'll put up the minutes a tad later [22:44] 'Welcome. [22:44] thanks knome [22:45] thanks knome [22:45] noooo worries [22:45] what about that one? [22:45] nope, not even that [22:45] * bluesabre is impressed [22:46] dinner time, bbl [22:46] bon appetit [22:46] night all [22:46] nighty flocculant [22:48] xubuntu-artwork - 17.04 → 17.10; Bump to 17.10. (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/17.10) [22:48] xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin - 0.2.4-2 → 0.2.5-0ubuntu1; Re-connects to pa now. (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin/0.2.5-0ubuntu1) [22:48] xfce4-dict - 0.7.99-0ubuntu1 → 0.8.0-0ubuntu1; First stable release. (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-dict/0.8.0-0ubuntu1) [22:48] xfce4-terminal - 0.8.4-1 → 0.8.5.1-0ubuntu3; Bugfix release. [22:49] tumbler - 0.1.31-2build4 → 0.1.92.1-0ubuntu1; development based on gdbus, add support for *.thumbnailers (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tumbler/0.1.90-0ubuntu1, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tumbler/0.1.92.1-0ubuntu1) [22:49] Little late, but just after meeting is close enough.\ [22:49] :P [22:49] i'm sure that was intentional [22:49] Eh, well I was at a funeral, then had to get part of supper on. [22:50] ouch [22:50] i'm sorry.