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[21:09] <qqqq> how does one adopt a package? I know ARCH & debian, but Ubuntu is shrouded in total mystery here ...
[21:11] <rbasak> qqqq: packages in Ubuntu are team maintained. If you've got things to fix, fixes can just be uploaded (through the sponsorship queue if you don't have permission to upload directly). Keep in mind though that not all uploads are suitable for Ubuntu - deltas have to be maintained, so the normal way to fix things is to get fixes landed upstream first so deltas are only temporary.
[21:13] <qqqq> I see. But say, s.o. set out to adopt a package. How? post onto that bugsquad mailinglist ? the wiki is immutable so that's no option.
[21:21] <qqqq> small wonder, Ubu has so many orphaned packages ...    ;-)
[21:22] <rbasak> There is no such thing as an orphaned package in Ubuntu.
[21:22] <rbasak> Because there is no such thing as "maintainership" either in Ubuntu. You cannot own a package like in Debian, though you can have a team that generally takes responsibility for one.
[21:23] <rbasak> So "set out to adopt a package" in Ubuntu has no meaning. If you have an upload ready to go in, please contribute that to the sponsorship queue and if it's acceptable it'll get uploaded.
[21:24] <rbasak> Perhaps, rather than speaking in hypotheticals, you could tell us your actual situation so we can suggest what you can do to help?
[21:27] <qqqq> well they use that language though.
[21:28] <qqqq> OK.
[21:29] <qqqq> I reacted to this post :  http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-scheme48-maintainers/2016q2/002780.html
[21:29] <qqqq> and the guy in charge said he needed s.o. to adopt the packages
[21:29] <rbasak> That's a Debian list. How does this relate to Ubuntu?
[21:29] <qqqq> ?
[21:30] <qqqq> oh well, it's Debian, yes
[21:31] <qqqq> gotta be upstream of Ubu
[21:34] <rbasak> So adopt the package in Debian, and Ubuntu will autosync it.
[21:35] <qqqq> OK... that is far easier to conduct since adoption is a standard preocedure in debian, less so in ubuntu ...   ;-)
[21:36] <rbasak> Like I say, adoption has no meaning in Ubuntu. It doesn't make sense to say that it is easy or difficult to conduct in Ubuntu, as there is no such thing and its non-existence doesn't block any development process whatsoever.
[21:37] <qqqq> I grant you that, mate.
[21:37] <qqqq> ;-)
[21:39] <qqqq> Thanks for clearing this up. We can't allow for Scheme-48 to go down the tube ...
[21:41] <rbasak> You're welcome. Just join in to maintain it well in Debian, and Ubuntu will get it "for free".
[21:41] <rbasak> Though watching and addressing bugs in Ubuntu (by uploading to Debian and/or patching stable Ubuntu releases as appropriate) also helps.
[21:45] <qqqq> yes... once one has figured out the Ubu infrastructure before dying of old age  ;-)
[21:59] <qqqq> I guess part of the problem was searching for "adoption" in Ubuntu, when - really - there is no such thing. Even though there is wiki page talking about "adoption". I rest my case.  ;-)
[22:03] <tarpman> possibly talking about different scopes? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/AdoptPackage seems to talk about bugsquad activities - primarily triage - while rbasak seemed to be talking about development - packaging and patching
[22:04] <rbasak> Ah. Right. That page is in the context of bug triage. That does have to be done separately between Debian and Ubuntu, even when the development work is entirely shared.
[22:10] <qqqq> interesting...
[22:18] <qqqq> if you look for adoption in Ubuntu, it is like looking for "chemtrails" - both do not exist, yet you don't figure it out for quite a while ... weird.
[22:18] <qqqq> ;-)