| GunnarHj | jbicha: | 15:54 |
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| GunnarHj | https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2017-May/msg00018.html | 15:54 |
| GunnarHj | Should we, as a result of Andre's response, reconsider the decision to not use the LP UI for translations of gnome-user-docs (and gnome-getting-started-docs)? Personally I think we still should stay out of LP for now, and see what happens in practice, but asking the question appears to be motivated. | 15:54 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: I'm disappointed that no one from GNOME seems supportive of my idea | 15:56 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Me too, of course. | 15:56 |
| jbicha | I might try counter-offering with expanding the proposal with a thaw,refreeze,release section for bug fixes like clissold345 suggested at this week's meeting | 15:58 |
| jbicha | it's more work and complexity and I was going with Simple to start with | 15:58 |
| jbicha | but maybe Simple was too Incomplete | 15:58 |
| jbicha | part of the complexity is just finding someone that is willing to do the work to coordinate the schedule and do the point releases | 16:00 |
| jbicha | does that sound like something you'd be interesting in signing up for, at least for whatever series 18.04 LTS uses? | 16:00 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: I'm already deeply involved in that kind of dialogue (when necessary) with Ubuntu's translator teams. Hesitating though to expand that kind of involvement to upstream. | 16:08 |
| GunnarHj | Simplicity is essential given the limited resources. Whatever route we take, there will always be some kind of tradeoff in the end. | 16:09 |
| jbicha | how much time do you suggest I offer to translators for a point release bugfix? | 16:10 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: 2 or 3 weeks. | 16:11 |
| jbicha | to be blunt, I'm not sure the string changes after 3.24.0 were that important: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-user-docs/log | 16:11 |
| jbicha | but an example of a bug that's serious enough to change the docs or remove the incorrect line is the 2nd sentence at | 16:13 |
| jbicha | https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-clocks/stable/alarm-add.html | 16:13 |
| jbicha | the alarm "will go off regardless of whether Clocks is open or not" is the opposite of how it currently works | 16:15 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Maybe the problem typically won't be big enough in practice to justify too much work. As regards the latter example, it's not part of gnome-user-docs, right? | 16:16 |
| GunnarHj | but yes, it sounds as an example of "misleading the users" | 16:16 |
| jbicha | although I've been talking about gnome-user-docs, what I'm actually proposing is for Documentation String Freeze to be added to https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointTwentyfive | 16:17 |
| jbicha | so it affects all of GNOME! | 16:17 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Ok, I see. | 16:17 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: In that case, should you possibly talk to other people beyond the gnome-doc list? GNOME's equivalent to our release team? | 16:19 |
| jbicha | I don't think the GNOME Release Team would object to my proposal at all | 16:20 |
| GunnarHj | ... but still listen to the GNOME docs folks? | 16:20 |
| jbicha | no one wants to force the GNOME Docs team to do something they have strong objections to :) | 16:21 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Precisely. | 16:22 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: All development, including docs writing, is done more conveniently without bothering deadlines. ;) Personally I'm very much in favor of deadlines (and discipline). | 16:23 |
| jbicha | right, the kinds of bugs that Paul fixed after 3.24.0 were honestly not something that couldn't have been done a week sooner, or something so critical it couldn't wait 6 months for users to get it | 16:25 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: And making people think in that way is the bug merit of the idea with a doc string freeze. | 16:27 |
| GunnarHj | s/bug/big/ | 16:27 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: On another topic: Did you possibly confirm our theory that adding e.g. gnome-user-docs-<lang> to the supported seed is the way to go to make the installer pull such packages? Otherwise I'm going to file a bug, and ask someone to triage it before preparing a merge proposal. | 16:32 |
| jbicha | I think you can go straight to the merge proposal | 16:33 |
| jbicha | you said you thought there were other main pkgs that had universe language pkgs? | 16:34 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Yes, thinking mostly about libreoffice-dictionaries. But I can consider that as well and prepare an MP with it all. | 16:35 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: basically try to get language-selector's pkg_depends and the supported seed in sync. | 16:36 |
| jbicha | it's only been 2 days so I'll wait a bit longer before poking the GNOME Docs team | 16:39 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Sounds reasonable. | 16:39 |
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