[15:54] jbicha: [15:54] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2017-May/msg00018.html [15:54] Should we, as a result of Andre's response, reconsider the decision to not use the LP UI for translations of gnome-user-docs (and gnome-getting-started-docs)? Personally I think we still should stay out of LP for now, and see what happens in practice, but asking the question appears to be motivated. [15:56] GunnarHj: I'm disappointed that no one from GNOME seems supportive of my idea [15:56] jbicha: Me too, of course. [15:58] I might try counter-offering with expanding the proposal with a thaw,refreeze,release section for bug fixes like clissold345 suggested at this week's meeting [15:58] it's more work and complexity and I was going with Simple to start with [15:58] but maybe Simple was too Incomplete [16:00] part of the complexity is just finding someone that is willing to do the work to coordinate the schedule and do the point releases [16:00] does that sound like something you'd be interesting in signing up for, at least for whatever series 18.04 LTS uses? [16:08] jbicha: I'm already deeply involved in that kind of dialogue (when necessary) with Ubuntu's translator teams. Hesitating though to expand that kind of involvement to upstream. [16:09] Simplicity is essential given the limited resources. Whatever route we take, there will always be some kind of tradeoff in the end. [16:10] how much time do you suggest I offer to translators for a point release bugfix? [16:11] jbicha: 2 or 3 weeks. [16:11] to be blunt, I'm not sure the string changes after 3.24.0 were that important: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-user-docs/log [16:13] but an example of a bug that's serious enough to change the docs or remove the incorrect line is the 2nd sentence at [16:13] https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-clocks/stable/alarm-add.html [16:15] the alarm "will go off regardless of whether Clocks is open or not" is the opposite of how it currently works [16:16] jbicha: Maybe the problem typically won't be big enough in practice to justify too much work. As regards the latter example, it's not part of gnome-user-docs, right? [16:16] but yes, it sounds as an example of "misleading the users" [16:17] although I've been talking about gnome-user-docs, what I'm actually proposing is for Documentation String Freeze to be added to https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointTwentyfive [16:17] so it affects all of GNOME! [16:17] jbicha: Ok, I see. [16:19] jbicha: In that case, should you possibly talk to other people beyond the gnome-doc list? GNOME's equivalent to our release team? [16:20] I don't think the GNOME Release Team would object to my proposal at all [16:20] ... but still listen to the GNOME docs folks? [16:21] no one wants to force the GNOME Docs team to do something they have strong objections to :) [16:22] jbicha: Precisely. [16:23] jbicha: All development, including docs writing, is done more conveniently without bothering deadlines. ;) Personally I'm very much in favor of deadlines (and discipline). [16:25] right, the kinds of bugs that Paul fixed after 3.24.0 were honestly not something that couldn't have been done a week sooner, or something so critical it couldn't wait 6 months for users to get it [16:27] jbicha: And making people think in that way is the bug merit of the idea with a doc string freeze. [16:27] s/bug/big/ [16:32] jbicha: On another topic: Did you possibly confirm our theory that adding e.g. gnome-user-docs- to the supported seed is the way to go to make the installer pull such packages? Otherwise I'm going to file a bug, and ask someone to triage it before preparing a merge proposal. [16:33] I think you can go straight to the merge proposal [16:34] you said you thought there were other main pkgs that had universe language pkgs? [16:35] jbicha: Yes, thinking mostly about libreoffice-dictionaries. But I can consider that as well and prepare an MP with it all. [16:36] jbicha: basically try to get language-selector's pkg_depends and the supported seed in sync. [16:39] it's only been 2 days so I'll wait a bit longer before poking the GNOME Docs team [16:39] jbicha: Sounds reasonable.