[15:54] <GunnarHj> jbicha:
[15:54] <GunnarHj> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2017-May/msg00018.html
[15:54] <GunnarHj> Should we, as a result of Andre's response, reconsider the decision to not use the LP UI for translations of gnome-user-docs (and gnome-getting-started-docs)? Personally I think we still should stay out of LP for now, and see what happens in practice, but asking the question appears to be motivated.
[15:56] <jbicha> GunnarHj: I'm disappointed that no one from GNOME seems supportive of my idea
[15:56] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Me too, of course.
[15:58] <jbicha> I might try counter-offering with expanding the proposal with a thaw,refreeze,release section for bug fixes like clissold345 suggested at this week's meeting
[15:58] <jbicha> it's more work and complexity and I was going with Simple to start with
[15:58] <jbicha> but maybe Simple was too Incomplete
[16:00] <jbicha> part of the complexity is just finding someone that is willing to do the work to coordinate the schedule and do the point releases
[16:00] <jbicha> does that sound like something you'd be interesting in signing up for, at least for whatever series 18.04 LTS uses?
[16:08] <GunnarHj> jbicha: I'm already deeply involved in that kind of dialogue (when necessary) with Ubuntu's translator teams. Hesitating though to expand that kind of involvement to upstream.
[16:09] <GunnarHj> Simplicity is essential given the limited resources. Whatever route we take, there will always be some kind of tradeoff in the end.
[16:10] <jbicha> how much time do you suggest I offer to translators for a point release bugfix?
[16:11] <GunnarHj> jbicha: 2 or 3 weeks.
[16:11] <jbicha> to be blunt, I'm not sure the string changes after 3.24.0 were that important: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-user-docs/log
[16:13] <jbicha> but an example of a bug that's serious enough to change the docs or remove the incorrect line is the 2nd sentence at
[16:13] <jbicha> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-clocks/stable/alarm-add.html
[16:15] <jbicha> the alarm "will go off regardless of whether Clocks is open or not" is the opposite of how it currently works
[16:16] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Maybe the problem typically won't be big enough in practice to justify too much work. As regards the latter example, it's not part of gnome-user-docs, right?
[16:16] <GunnarHj> but yes, it sounds as an example of "misleading the users"
[16:17] <jbicha> although I've been talking about gnome-user-docs, what I'm actually proposing is for Documentation String Freeze to be added to https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointTwentyfive
[16:17] <jbicha> so it affects all of GNOME!
[16:17] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Ok, I see.
[16:19] <GunnarHj> jbicha: In that case, should you possibly talk to other people beyond the gnome-doc list? GNOME's equivalent to our release team?
[16:20] <jbicha> I don't think the GNOME Release Team would object to my proposal at all
[16:20] <GunnarHj> ... but still listen to the GNOME docs folks?
[16:21] <jbicha> no one wants to force the GNOME Docs team to do something they have strong objections to :)
[16:22] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Precisely.
[16:23] <GunnarHj> jbicha: All development, including docs writing, is done more conveniently without bothering deadlines. ;) Personally I'm very much in favor of deadlines (and discipline).
[16:25] <jbicha> right, the kinds of bugs that Paul fixed after 3.24.0 were honestly not something that couldn't have been done a week sooner, or something so critical it couldn't wait 6 months for users to get it
[16:27] <GunnarHj> jbicha: And making people think in  that way is the bug merit of the idea with a doc string freeze.
[16:27] <GunnarHj> s/bug/big/
[16:32] <GunnarHj> jbicha: On another topic: Did you possibly confirm our theory that adding e.g. gnome-user-docs-<lang> to the supported seed is the way to go to make the installer pull such packages? Otherwise I'm going to file a bug, and ask someone to triage it before preparing a merge proposal.
[16:33] <jbicha> I think you can go straight to the merge proposal
[16:34] <jbicha> you said you thought there were other main pkgs that had universe language pkgs?
[16:35] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Yes, thinking mostly about libreoffice-dictionaries. But I can consider that as well and prepare an MP with it all.
[16:36] <GunnarHj> jbicha: basically try to get language-selector's pkg_depends and the supported seed in sync.
[16:39] <jbicha> it's only been 2 days so I'll wait a bit longer before poking the GNOME Docs team
[16:39] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Sounds reasonable.