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LuckyTheTester2Hey Everyone!19:27
LuckyTheTester2wxl?19:28
LuckyTheTester2Are you on?19:28
wxlyep19:28
LuckyTheTester2Hey!19:28
LuckyTheTester2So I was wondering how to code.19:28
LuckyTheTester2and a few more things19:28
LuckyTheTester2but those are more fit for #kubuntu19:29
wxlyeah well that's not a small thing to deal with :)19:29
LuckyTheTester2Hmm...19:29
wxldo you know any languages at all?19:29
LuckyTheTester2I would like to help out wiith ubuntu or kubuntu19:29
LuckyTheTester2python sort-of.19:29
LuckyTheTester2on my Raspberry Pi.19:29
wxlwell that's a start19:30
LuckyTheTester2Ok19:30
LuckyTheTester2Do you know how to code/19:30
LuckyTheTester2?19:30
wxlyep. i know a little bit of this and that19:30
LuckyTheTester2like19:30
LuckyTheTester2you could work on ubuntu19:30
wxli started on basic19:30
wxlplayed with pascal for a bit19:31
wxljava19:31
LuckyTheTester2BASIC Programming Language?19:31
wxlpython19:31
wxlclojure19:31
LuckyTheTester2woah!19:31
wxlcommon lisp19:31
LuckyTheTester2BASIC Is Pretty Old19:31
wxla little bit of c and c++19:31
wxlyep, i'm pretty old19:31
LuckyTheTester2Thats it19:31
LuckyTheTester2Oh19:31
LuckyTheTester2C and c++.19:32
wxli don't see a lot fo differences between most languages beyond syntax19:32
wxlthough functional languages like clojure are a bit of a paradigm shigt19:32
LuckyTheTester2!19:32
LuckyTheTester2...19:32
LuckyTheTester2Ok...19:32
wxlso in order to contribute code to ubuntu in general, i would suggest starting with testing19:33
wxlunderstand the systems you are helping with very clearly19:33
wxlknow how to diagnose and troubleshoot things19:33
wxlknow who to ask and where to find information19:34
LuckyTheTester2Ok19:34
wxlonce you've got that, i'd move on to learning about version control systems (especially git, which is more and more becoming the standard EVERYWHERE)19:34
wxlthen you can work on packaging19:34
LuckyTheTester2Ok19:34
LuckyTheTester2So19:34
LuckyTheTester2Could you help me start?19:34
wxlas part of testing, i'd include bug triaging, troubleshooting, etc19:35
wxlby the time you get through all that, you'll be able to look at a bug, confirm it's legitimate, find where the problem is, propose a solution, and walk it through the system so it gets in the repos19:35
LuckyTheTester2Oh yeah19:35
wxli know that sounds like a lot of work and it kind of is but you'll learn a lot along the way19:36
LuckyTheTester2I couldn't even figure out how to report a bug19:36
wxlincluding things that will ultimately be valuable to a career in computer science in general should you decide to go that route19:36
LuckyTheTester2Yes19:36
wxlso yeah we can help you a bit19:36
LuckyTheTester2Do you have a Carrer in Computer Science?19:36
wxli have a rather unique job in a bicycle manufacturer. i mostly do sales but do some computery stuff, too. i've certainly been instrumental in making kubuntu our default desktop, though i prefer lubuntu at home19:37
LuckyTheTester2Oh19:38
LuckyTheTester2So your not Fifteen19:38
LuckyTheTester2Funny19:38
LuckyTheTester2:D19:38
LuckyTheTester2...19:38
wxlhahahah nope :)19:38
wxli am almost a father to a 15 year old :)19:38
LuckyTheTester2Then how old are you?19:38
wxlor i should say i *AM* a father to an almost 15 year old19:38
wxli'm 4019:38
LuckyTheTester2WHOAH!19:38
LuckyTheTester2Well i'm not19:38
wxlit's all good19:39
LuckyTheTester2I'm like a little kid to you19:39
wxlanyone can be a contributor to ubuntu19:39
LuckyTheTester2Even an 11 year old19:39
wxli mean tsimonq2's a wee lad himself19:39
wxlyep19:39
wxlbut i'd say you need to be pretty self-motivated19:39
LuckyTheTester2Yes19:40
LuckyTheTester2Back then it was easy to learn how to code19:40
LuckyTheTester2Today, However not really19:40
LuckyTheTester2by my Knowledge19:40
wxli wouldn't say that's entirely true19:40
LuckyTheTester2I'm so into the old days19:40
wxli learned BASIC from an enormous 500 page manual that came with my Commodore 12819:40
LuckyTheTester2were Personal Computers were Created19:40
LuckyTheTester2Yeah19:41
LuckyTheTester2Today that's not like that.19:41
wxlbut from that, i learned about very simple constructs such as conditionals that are practically universal in all languages19:41
wxli experimented a lot19:41
LuckyTheTester2Wow!19:41
wxlbut i had no one auornd me to help me19:41
wxland i had no books i could find easily19:41
LuckyTheTester2Hmm...19:41
LuckyTheTester2But could you help me?19:42
LuckyTheTester2Please?19:42
wxlcertainly no videos or tutorials online to watch19:42
LuckyTheTester2Well19:42
LuckyTheTester2There's one19:42
wxlthere's TONS actually19:42
LuckyTheTester2I just want to do it from scratch19:42
LuckyTheTester2EXPERIMENT.19:42
wxli have a list of them but need to renew the VPS so the website comes back up :)19:42
wxlso i'll get you that in the near future19:42
LuckyTheTester2I have a Queston19:43
wxlyep19:43
LuckyTheTester2Do you have any Ubuntu Beta Builds?19:43
LuckyTheTester2From LONG Ago19:43
LuckyTheTester2Maybe 200619:43
wxlno19:43
LuckyTheTester22010?19:43
wxli'm sure someone has them archived somewhere19:43
LuckyTheTester2Yeah19:43
wxli only keep around what's not EoL19:43
LuckyTheTester2Like what?19:43
wxlprecise, trusty, xenial, yakkety, zesty, artful19:44
LuckyTheTester2what about precise?19:44
LuckyTheTester2is that still supported19:44
wxlthink so19:44
wxl!precise19:44
ubot93Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) was the sixteenth release of Ubuntu. !End-of-life was April 28th 2017. See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2017-April/003833.html for more information19:44
wxlnope XD19:44
wxlguess i need to delete those!19:44
LuckyTheTester2Ok19:45
LuckyTheTester2Wait19:45
LuckyTheTester2Could I have it19:45
LuckyTheTester2Please?19:45
wxlmight still be around19:46
LuckyTheTester2But is it Somthing I could get from the Archive?19:46
LuckyTheTester2Or is it not on there19:46
wxlpossibly19:46
LuckyTheTester2Ok19:46
LuckyTheTester2What about coding?19:46
LuckyTheTester2Should I try to modify Ubuntu?19:47
LuckyTheTester2Or start somewhere else?19:47
wxlyep still on ther ehttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/19:47
wxlif you want to help with ubuntu, i'd start with testing19:47
wxlif your real goal is to learn to code, i'd start with learning basic constructs19:47
wxlunderstand the logic, sturcture, and thinking required to program19:48
wxlthe syntax is not THAT important. you'll pick that up over time19:48
LuckyTheTester2Ok19:48
LuckyTheTester2What Version?19:48
wxlhuh?19:49
LuckyTheTester2Of Ubuntu?19:49
wxlwhat version to test?19:50
LuckyTheTester2Yes19:50
wxlthe latest19:50
LuckyTheTester2and How?19:50
LuckyTheTester2Ok19:50
wxllet me give you a doc on it19:50
LuckyTheTester2Ok19:51
wxlhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing19:51
LuckyTheTester2Thanks!19:51
wxlnp19:51
wxlyou also may want to figure out how to idle here on irc19:51
wxlit's probably the #1 or #2 way communication happens in the ubuntu community19:52
LuckyTheTester2what?19:52
wxli'd suggest registering your nick with nickserv19:52
LuckyTheTester2why?19:52
LuckyTheTester2Ok19:52
wxlgetting an unaffiliated cloak with freenode19:52
LuckyTheTester2Ok19:53
LuckyTheTester2But I mean Modify Ubuntu19:53
wxlassuming you don't keep your computer on all the time, you could get a free linux/unix shell and use screen or tmux to run an irc client of your choosing non-stop (or you could use a bouncer), and disconnect/reconnect from it at will19:53
wxlthe benefit will be that you won't miss anything19:53
wxldon't jump too far ahead with modifying ubuntu yet19:54
wxllike i said, you have some homework to do first19:54
LuckyTheTester2Oh..19:54
LuckyTheTester2But I want to modify Ubuntu19:54
LuckyTheTester2How do I?19:54
wxlstart here: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/19:54
LuckyTheTester2thanks19:55
LuckyTheTester2Well20:03
LuckyTheTester2I'm going to help people on #Kubuntu20:03
LuckyTheTester2Bye20:03
LuckyTheTester2Hey wxl?20:05
wxlyep20:06
LuckyTheTester2Could you help me with Kubuntu20:06
LuckyTheTester2I want to get wine on it20:06
wxl!wine20:06
ubot93WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu20:06
LuckyTheTester2I did, but I cant get it to work20:06
wxlthere you go :)20:06
lubot1<tsimonq2> wxl: Don't recommend that God awful packaging guide... It's SUPER outdated20:06
lubot1<tsimonq2> Hai Lucky :)20:06
wxlnote that includes a channel to go to if you need help20:06
LuckyTheTester2Thanks!20:07
LuckyTheTester2Hey!20:07
wxltsimonq2: then you give him better links!20:07
lubot1<tsimonq2> Debian Policy Manual20:07
lubot1<tsimonq2> Debian New Maintainer Guide20:07
LuckyTheTester2Well20:07
LuckyTheTester2Hey tsimonq2?20:07
LuckyTheTester2Could you give ubuntu 12.04.5 an Update?20:07
LuckyTheTester2You could get into the Servers20:08
LuckyTheTester2And supply one more Security Update?20:08
lubot1<tsimonq2> I don't have access20:08
lubot1<tsimonq2> That's the point of EOL releases20:09
LuckyTheTester2Ok20:09
LuckyTheTester2What about past realeases?20:09
lubot1<tsimonq2> Why do you want an old version of Ubuntu anyways? :)20:09
LuckyTheTester2Well20:09
LuckyTheTester2I thought it would be cool20:09
LuckyTheTester2to take a look of the past20:09
LuckyTheTester2and plus maybe you could supply and Update for it20:09
LuckyTheTester2Non EOL Realeases20:10
lubot1<tsimonq2> Well, actually updating an EOL release is a bit useless because the whole stack is outdated20:10
LuckyTheTester2Well20:10
lynorianyes20:10
LuckyTheTester2Could you at least try?20:11
LuckyTheTester2Please?20:11
LuckyTheTester2It would be Pretty Cool20:11
LuckyTheTester2Actually.20:11
lubot1<tsimonq2> That's what new releases are for20:11
lubot1<tsimonq2> A new release is a copy of the old release, and people update newer software and fixes20:11
LuckyTheTester2Well20:12
LuckyTheTester2I want Older Software Sometimes20:12
lubot1<tsimonq2> So if you want to do development, the best place is the development release20:12
LuckyTheTester2Apply to Everyone20:12
lubot1<tsimonq2> Why is that?20:12
LuckyTheTester2Well20:12
LuckyTheTester2I'm bored20:12
lubot1<tsimonq2> What software do you need? ;)20:12
LuckyTheTester2Nothing20:12
LuckyTheTester2It just seems cool if you could do it.20:12
lynorian!info tpp20:12
lubot1<tsimonq2> So am I. Constantly. :P20:12
ubot93tpp (source: tpp): text presentation program. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.1-5 (artful), package size 35 kB, installed size 154 kB20:13
lubot1<tsimonq2> But I've been there and done that, Lucky20:13
LuckyTheTester2Which Realease?20:13
lubot1<tsimonq2> The best place to cure that boredom is to install, use, test, and help update the development release20:13
lubot1<tsimonq2> Well I played a bit with Ubuntu 10.04 at one point. I remember when it was still supported!20:14
LuckyTheTester2hey wxl20:14
lubot1<tsimonq2> I've released security updates to it20:14
LuckyTheTester2Ok20:14
LuckyTheTester2Hey20:14
LuckyTheTester2Can you modify Ubuntu/20:14
LuckyTheTester2?20:14
LuckyTheTester2If you can could you rename it20:15
lubot1<tsimonq2> Yes, but as wxl said, homework needs to be done to know exactly what can be modified and how to modify it20:15
lubot1<tsimonq2> You can20:15
LuckyTheTester2But, But...20:15
LuckyTheTester2I don't know how to code20:16
LuckyTheTester2I was to lazy to read the article20:16
LuckyTheTester2It seems boring20:16
LuckyTheTester2Coding may be Boring, but it turns into something great!20:16
lubot1<tsimonq2> One quote to keep in the back of your head: you don't learn to code, you code to learn. The only way to learn how to code is to actually jump in and do it.20:16
lubot1<tsimonq2> Well you may be bored, but not everything in Linux is necessary bright and exciting20:17
LuckyTheTester2Ok20:17
LuckyTheTester2Ideed20:17
LuckyTheTester2indeed20:17
lubot1<tsimonq2> Hard work pays off if you have the motivation20:17
lubot1<tsimonq2> If you quit because it's bored, you get nowhere.20:17
lubot1<tsimonq2> And that's how life is in general20:18
LuckyTheTester2Ok20:18
LuckyTheTester2I copied that20:18
lubot1<tsimonq2> So before I rant further, I'd avoid having the mindset of boredom.  Because it's all in your head. Seriously. Only you can truly tell yourself what to do.20:18
lubot1<tsimonq2> :P20:18
LuckyTheTester2Very True20:19
LuckyTheTester2Let me work on it20:19
LuckyTheTester2Experiment20:19
lubot1<tsimonq2> OK. That's the spirit. :)20:19
LuckyTheTester2So20:20
LuckyTheTester2I'll copy the Ubuntu files to a Folder20:20
LuckyTheTester2then do it from there20:20
LuckyTheTester2Since I don't have the Proper Software to do it I think,20:20
LuckyTheTester2.20:20
lubot1<tsimonq2> So then tell me, what exactly are you copying?20:20
LuckyTheTester2Kubuntu 17.0420:21
LuckyTheTester2O wanted ubuntu though20:21
LuckyTheTester2I20:21
LuckyTheTester2I wanted ubuntu though20:21
lubot1<tsimonq2> OK, so what makes up Ubuntu?20:23
LuckyTheTester2Files20:23
LuckyTheTester2Code20:23
LuckyTheTester2Scratch.mit.edu is not code20:23
lubot1<tsimonq2> But there's a specific name20:24
lubot1<tsimonq2> Find that out ;)20:24
LuckyTheTester2That's what Ive been using for 2 Years20:24
LuckyTheTester2Everything within the ISO.20:24
lubot1<tsimonq2> What is the name for an application on the ISO?20:26
LuckyTheTester2Uh...20:27
LuckyTheTester2I don't know.20:28
lynorianwoot the lubuntu-next desktop at least partly works in a vm20:31
LuckyTheTester2Ok20:34
LuckyTheTester2Hey Guys20:36
LuckyTheTester2What Distro of Ubuntu would you recommend for a Powerful Computer?20:37
wxllubuntu. it uses the least resources so you can spend more of that running vms, rich graphics, whatever.20:37
lynorianyes20:37
lynorianor more chrome tabs20:38
wxlhowever someone may like all the bells and whistles that comes with e.g. kubuntu20:40
lynorianalthough we do need the installer to not say kubuntu in the window title on the lubuntu next image20:45
LuckyTheTester2Hey21:38
LuckyTheTester2are you there?21:39
LuckyTheTester2wxl?21:40
LuckyTheTester2are you there?21:40

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