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LuckyTheTester2 | Hey Everyone! | 19:27 |
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LuckyTheTester2 | wxl? | 19:28 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Are you on? | 19:28 |
wxl | yep | 19:28 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Hey! | 19:28 |
LuckyTheTester2 | So I was wondering how to code. | 19:28 |
LuckyTheTester2 | and a few more things | 19:28 |
LuckyTheTester2 | but those are more fit for #kubuntu | 19:29 |
wxl | yeah well that's not a small thing to deal with :) | 19:29 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Hmm... | 19:29 |
wxl | do you know any languages at all? | 19:29 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I would like to help out wiith ubuntu or kubuntu | 19:29 |
LuckyTheTester2 | python sort-of. | 19:29 |
LuckyTheTester2 | on my Raspberry Pi. | 19:29 |
wxl | well that's a start | 19:30 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Ok | 19:30 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Do you know how to code/ | 19:30 |
LuckyTheTester2 | ? | 19:30 |
wxl | yep. i know a little bit of this and that | 19:30 |
LuckyTheTester2 | like | 19:30 |
LuckyTheTester2 | you could work on ubuntu | 19:30 |
wxl | i started on basic | 19:30 |
wxl | played with pascal for a bit | 19:31 |
wxl | java | 19:31 |
LuckyTheTester2 | BASIC Programming Language? | 19:31 |
wxl | python | 19:31 |
wxl | clojure | 19:31 |
LuckyTheTester2 | woah! | 19:31 |
wxl | common lisp | 19:31 |
LuckyTheTester2 | BASIC Is Pretty Old | 19:31 |
wxl | a little bit of c and c++ | 19:31 |
wxl | yep, i'm pretty old | 19:31 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Thats it | 19:31 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Oh | 19:31 |
LuckyTheTester2 | C and c++. | 19:32 |
wxl | i don't see a lot fo differences between most languages beyond syntax | 19:32 |
wxl | though functional languages like clojure are a bit of a paradigm shigt | 19:32 |
LuckyTheTester2 | ! | 19:32 |
LuckyTheTester2 | ... | 19:32 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Ok... | 19:32 |
wxl | so in order to contribute code to ubuntu in general, i would suggest starting with testing | 19:33 |
wxl | understand the systems you are helping with very clearly | 19:33 |
wxl | know how to diagnose and troubleshoot things | 19:33 |
wxl | know who to ask and where to find information | 19:34 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Ok | 19:34 |
wxl | once you've got that, i'd move on to learning about version control systems (especially git, which is more and more becoming the standard EVERYWHERE) | 19:34 |
wxl | then you can work on packaging | 19:34 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Ok | 19:34 |
LuckyTheTester2 | So | 19:34 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Could you help me start? | 19:34 |
wxl | as part of testing, i'd include bug triaging, troubleshooting, etc | 19:35 |
wxl | by the time you get through all that, you'll be able to look at a bug, confirm it's legitimate, find where the problem is, propose a solution, and walk it through the system so it gets in the repos | 19:35 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Oh yeah | 19:35 |
wxl | i know that sounds like a lot of work and it kind of is but you'll learn a lot along the way | 19:36 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I couldn't even figure out how to report a bug | 19:36 |
wxl | including things that will ultimately be valuable to a career in computer science in general should you decide to go that route | 19:36 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Yes | 19:36 |
wxl | so yeah we can help you a bit | 19:36 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Do you have a Carrer in Computer Science? | 19:36 |
wxl | i have a rather unique job in a bicycle manufacturer. i mostly do sales but do some computery stuff, too. i've certainly been instrumental in making kubuntu our default desktop, though i prefer lubuntu at home | 19:37 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Oh | 19:38 |
LuckyTheTester2 | So your not Fifteen | 19:38 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Funny | 19:38 |
LuckyTheTester2 | :D | 19:38 |
LuckyTheTester2 | ... | 19:38 |
wxl | hahahah nope :) | 19:38 |
wxl | i am almost a father to a 15 year old :) | 19:38 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Then how old are you? | 19:38 |
wxl | or i should say i *AM* a father to an almost 15 year old | 19:38 |
wxl | i'm 40 | 19:38 |
LuckyTheTester2 | WHOAH! | 19:38 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Well i'm not | 19:38 |
wxl | it's all good | 19:39 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I'm like a little kid to you | 19:39 |
wxl | anyone can be a contributor to ubuntu | 19:39 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Even an 11 year old | 19:39 |
wxl | i mean tsimonq2's a wee lad himself | 19:39 |
wxl | yep | 19:39 |
wxl | but i'd say you need to be pretty self-motivated | 19:39 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Yes | 19:40 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Back then it was easy to learn how to code | 19:40 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Today, However not really | 19:40 |
LuckyTheTester2 | by my Knowledge | 19:40 |
wxl | i wouldn't say that's entirely true | 19:40 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I'm so into the old days | 19:40 |
wxl | i learned BASIC from an enormous 500 page manual that came with my Commodore 128 | 19:40 |
LuckyTheTester2 | were Personal Computers were Created | 19:40 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Yeah | 19:41 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Today that's not like that. | 19:41 |
wxl | but from that, i learned about very simple constructs such as conditionals that are practically universal in all languages | 19:41 |
wxl | i experimented a lot | 19:41 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Wow! | 19:41 |
wxl | but i had no one auornd me to help me | 19:41 |
wxl | and i had no books i could find easily | 19:41 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Hmm... | 19:41 |
LuckyTheTester2 | But could you help me? | 19:42 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Please? | 19:42 |
wxl | certainly no videos or tutorials online to watch | 19:42 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Well | 19:42 |
LuckyTheTester2 | There's one | 19:42 |
wxl | there's TONS actually | 19:42 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I just want to do it from scratch | 19:42 |
LuckyTheTester2 | EXPERIMENT. | 19:42 |
wxl | i have a list of them but need to renew the VPS so the website comes back up :) | 19:42 |
wxl | so i'll get you that in the near future | 19:42 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I have a Queston | 19:43 |
wxl | yep | 19:43 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Do you have any Ubuntu Beta Builds? | 19:43 |
LuckyTheTester2 | From LONG Ago | 19:43 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Maybe 2006 | 19:43 |
wxl | no | 19:43 |
LuckyTheTester2 | 2010? | 19:43 |
wxl | i'm sure someone has them archived somewhere | 19:43 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Yeah | 19:43 |
wxl | i only keep around what's not EoL | 19:43 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Like what? | 19:43 |
wxl | precise, trusty, xenial, yakkety, zesty, artful | 19:44 |
LuckyTheTester2 | what about precise? | 19:44 |
LuckyTheTester2 | is that still supported | 19:44 |
wxl | think so | 19:44 |
wxl | !precise | 19:44 |
ubot93 | Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) was the sixteenth release of Ubuntu. !End-of-life was April 28th 2017. See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2017-April/003833.html for more information | 19:44 |
wxl | nope XD | 19:44 |
wxl | guess i need to delete those! | 19:44 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Ok | 19:45 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Wait | 19:45 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Could I have it | 19:45 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Please? | 19:45 |
wxl | might still be around | 19:46 |
LuckyTheTester2 | But is it Somthing I could get from the Archive? | 19:46 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Or is it not on there | 19:46 |
wxl | possibly | 19:46 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Ok | 19:46 |
LuckyTheTester2 | What about coding? | 19:46 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Should I try to modify Ubuntu? | 19:47 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Or start somewhere else? | 19:47 |
wxl | yep still on ther ehttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/ | 19:47 |
wxl | if you want to help with ubuntu, i'd start with testing | 19:47 |
wxl | if your real goal is to learn to code, i'd start with learning basic constructs | 19:47 |
wxl | understand the logic, sturcture, and thinking required to program | 19:48 |
wxl | the syntax is not THAT important. you'll pick that up over time | 19:48 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Ok | 19:48 |
LuckyTheTester2 | What Version? | 19:48 |
wxl | huh? | 19:49 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Of Ubuntu? | 19:49 |
wxl | what version to test? | 19:50 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Yes | 19:50 |
wxl | the latest | 19:50 |
LuckyTheTester2 | and How? | 19:50 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Ok | 19:50 |
wxl | let me give you a doc on it | 19:50 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Ok | 19:51 |
wxl | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing | 19:51 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Thanks! | 19:51 |
wxl | np | 19:51 |
wxl | you also may want to figure out how to idle here on irc | 19:51 |
wxl | it's probably the #1 or #2 way communication happens in the ubuntu community | 19:52 |
LuckyTheTester2 | what? | 19:52 |
wxl | i'd suggest registering your nick with nickserv | 19:52 |
LuckyTheTester2 | why? | 19:52 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Ok | 19:52 |
wxl | getting an unaffiliated cloak with freenode | 19:52 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Ok | 19:53 |
LuckyTheTester2 | But I mean Modify Ubuntu | 19:53 |
wxl | assuming you don't keep your computer on all the time, you could get a free linux/unix shell and use screen or tmux to run an irc client of your choosing non-stop (or you could use a bouncer), and disconnect/reconnect from it at will | 19:53 |
wxl | the benefit will be that you won't miss anything | 19:53 |
wxl | don't jump too far ahead with modifying ubuntu yet | 19:54 |
wxl | like i said, you have some homework to do first | 19:54 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Oh.. | 19:54 |
LuckyTheTester2 | But I want to modify Ubuntu | 19:54 |
LuckyTheTester2 | How do I? | 19:54 |
wxl | start here: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ | 19:54 |
LuckyTheTester2 | thanks | 19:55 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Well | 20:03 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I'm going to help people on #Kubuntu | 20:03 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Bye | 20:03 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Hey wxl? | 20:05 |
wxl | yep | 20:06 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Could you help me with Kubuntu | 20:06 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I want to get wine on it | 20:06 |
wxl | !wine | 20:06 |
ubot93 | WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu | 20:06 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I did, but I cant get it to work | 20:06 |
wxl | there you go :) | 20:06 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> wxl: Don't recommend that God awful packaging guide... It's SUPER outdated | 20:06 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Hai Lucky :) | 20:06 |
wxl | note that includes a channel to go to if you need help | 20:06 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Thanks! | 20:07 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Hey! | 20:07 |
wxl | tsimonq2: then you give him better links! | 20:07 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Debian Policy Manual | 20:07 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Debian New Maintainer Guide | 20:07 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Well | 20:07 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Hey tsimonq2? | 20:07 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Could you give ubuntu 12.04.5 an Update? | 20:07 |
LuckyTheTester2 | You could get into the Servers | 20:08 |
LuckyTheTester2 | And supply one more Security Update? | 20:08 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> I don't have access | 20:08 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> That's the point of EOL releases | 20:09 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Ok | 20:09 |
LuckyTheTester2 | What about past realeases? | 20:09 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Why do you want an old version of Ubuntu anyways? :) | 20:09 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Well | 20:09 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I thought it would be cool | 20:09 |
LuckyTheTester2 | to take a look of the past | 20:09 |
LuckyTheTester2 | and plus maybe you could supply and Update for it | 20:09 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Non EOL Realeases | 20:10 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Well, actually updating an EOL release is a bit useless because the whole stack is outdated | 20:10 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Well | 20:10 |
lynorian | yes | 20:10 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Could you at least try? | 20:11 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Please? | 20:11 |
LuckyTheTester2 | It would be Pretty Cool | 20:11 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Actually. | 20:11 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> That's what new releases are for | 20:11 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> A new release is a copy of the old release, and people update newer software and fixes | 20:11 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Well | 20:12 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I want Older Software Sometimes | 20:12 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> So if you want to do development, the best place is the development release | 20:12 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Apply to Everyone | 20:12 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Why is that? | 20:12 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Well | 20:12 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I'm bored | 20:12 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> What software do you need? ;) | 20:12 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Nothing | 20:12 |
LuckyTheTester2 | It just seems cool if you could do it. | 20:12 |
lynorian | !info tpp | 20:12 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> So am I. Constantly. :P | 20:12 |
ubot93 | tpp (source: tpp): text presentation program. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.1-5 (artful), package size 35 kB, installed size 154 kB | 20:13 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> But I've been there and done that, Lucky | 20:13 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Which Realease? | 20:13 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> The best place to cure that boredom is to install, use, test, and help update the development release | 20:13 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Well I played a bit with Ubuntu 10.04 at one point. I remember when it was still supported! | 20:14 |
LuckyTheTester2 | hey wxl | 20:14 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> I've released security updates to it | 20:14 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Ok | 20:14 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Hey | 20:14 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Can you modify Ubuntu/ | 20:14 |
LuckyTheTester2 | ? | 20:14 |
LuckyTheTester2 | If you can could you rename it | 20:15 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Yes, but as wxl said, homework needs to be done to know exactly what can be modified and how to modify it | 20:15 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> You can | 20:15 |
LuckyTheTester2 | But, But... | 20:15 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I don't know how to code | 20:16 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I was to lazy to read the article | 20:16 |
LuckyTheTester2 | It seems boring | 20:16 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Coding may be Boring, but it turns into something great! | 20:16 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> One quote to keep in the back of your head: you don't learn to code, you code to learn. The only way to learn how to code is to actually jump in and do it. | 20:16 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Well you may be bored, but not everything in Linux is necessary bright and exciting | 20:17 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Ok | 20:17 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Ideed | 20:17 |
LuckyTheTester2 | indeed | 20:17 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Hard work pays off if you have the motivation | 20:17 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> If you quit because it's bored, you get nowhere. | 20:17 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> And that's how life is in general | 20:18 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Ok | 20:18 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I copied that | 20:18 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> So before I rant further, I'd avoid having the mindset of boredom. Because it's all in your head. Seriously. Only you can truly tell yourself what to do. | 20:18 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> :P | 20:18 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Very True | 20:19 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Let me work on it | 20:19 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Experiment | 20:19 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> OK. That's the spirit. :) | 20:19 |
LuckyTheTester2 | So | 20:20 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I'll copy the Ubuntu files to a Folder | 20:20 |
LuckyTheTester2 | then do it from there | 20:20 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Since I don't have the Proper Software to do it I think, | 20:20 |
LuckyTheTester2 | . | 20:20 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> So then tell me, what exactly are you copying? | 20:20 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Kubuntu 17.04 | 20:21 |
LuckyTheTester2 | O wanted ubuntu though | 20:21 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I | 20:21 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I wanted ubuntu though | 20:21 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> OK, so what makes up Ubuntu? | 20:23 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Files | 20:23 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Code | 20:23 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Scratch.mit.edu is not code | 20:23 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> But there's a specific name | 20:24 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> Find that out ;) | 20:24 |
LuckyTheTester2 | That's what Ive been using for 2 Years | 20:24 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Everything within the ISO. | 20:24 |
lubot1 | <tsimonq2> What is the name for an application on the ISO? | 20:26 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Uh... | 20:27 |
LuckyTheTester2 | I don't know. | 20:28 |
lynorian | woot the lubuntu-next desktop at least partly works in a vm | 20:31 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Ok | 20:34 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Hey Guys | 20:36 |
LuckyTheTester2 | What Distro of Ubuntu would you recommend for a Powerful Computer? | 20:37 |
wxl | lubuntu. it uses the least resources so you can spend more of that running vms, rich graphics, whatever. | 20:37 |
lynorian | yes | 20:37 |
lynorian | or more chrome tabs | 20:38 |
wxl | however someone may like all the bells and whistles that comes with e.g. kubuntu | 20:40 |
lynorian | although we do need the installer to not say kubuntu in the window title on the lubuntu next image | 20:45 |
LuckyTheTester2 | Hey | 21:38 |
LuckyTheTester2 | are you there? | 21:39 |
LuckyTheTester2 | wxl? | 21:40 |
LuckyTheTester2 | are you there? | 21:40 |
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