[19:27] <LuckyTheTester2> Hey Everyone!
[19:28] <LuckyTheTester2> wxl?
[19:28] <LuckyTheTester2> Are you on?
[19:28] <wxl> yep
[19:28] <LuckyTheTester2> Hey!
[19:28] <LuckyTheTester2> So I was wondering how to code.
[19:28] <LuckyTheTester2> and a few more things
[19:29] <LuckyTheTester2> but those are more fit for #kubuntu
[19:29] <wxl> yeah well that's not a small thing to deal with :)
[19:29] <LuckyTheTester2> Hmm...
[19:29] <wxl> do you know any languages at all?
[19:29] <LuckyTheTester2> I would like to help out wiith ubuntu or kubuntu
[19:29] <LuckyTheTester2> python sort-of.
[19:29] <LuckyTheTester2> on my Raspberry Pi.
[19:30] <wxl> well that's a start
[19:30] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[19:30] <LuckyTheTester2> Do you know how to code/
[19:30] <LuckyTheTester2> ?
[19:30] <wxl> yep. i know a little bit of this and that
[19:30] <LuckyTheTester2> like
[19:30] <LuckyTheTester2> you could work on ubuntu
[19:30] <wxl> i started on basic
[19:31] <wxl> played with pascal for a bit
[19:31] <wxl> java
[19:31] <LuckyTheTester2> BASIC Programming Language?
[19:31] <wxl> python
[19:31] <wxl> clojure
[19:31] <LuckyTheTester2> woah!
[19:31] <wxl> common lisp
[19:31] <LuckyTheTester2> BASIC Is Pretty Old
[19:31] <wxl> a little bit of c and c++
[19:31] <wxl> yep, i'm pretty old
[19:31] <LuckyTheTester2> Thats it
[19:31] <LuckyTheTester2> Oh
[19:32] <LuckyTheTester2> C and c++.
[19:32] <wxl> i don't see a lot fo differences between most languages beyond syntax
[19:32] <wxl> though functional languages like clojure are a bit of a paradigm shigt
[19:32] <LuckyTheTester2> !
[19:32] <LuckyTheTester2> ...
[19:32] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok...
[19:33] <wxl> so in order to contribute code to ubuntu in general, i would suggest starting with testing
[19:33] <wxl> understand the systems you are helping with very clearly
[19:33] <wxl> know how to diagnose and troubleshoot things
[19:34] <wxl> know who to ask and where to find information
[19:34] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[19:34] <wxl> once you've got that, i'd move on to learning about version control systems (especially git, which is more and more becoming the standard EVERYWHERE)
[19:34] <wxl> then you can work on packaging
[19:34] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[19:34] <LuckyTheTester2> So
[19:34] <LuckyTheTester2> Could you help me start?
[19:35] <wxl> as part of testing, i'd include bug triaging, troubleshooting, etc
[19:35] <wxl> by the time you get through all that, you'll be able to look at a bug, confirm it's legitimate, find where the problem is, propose a solution, and walk it through the system so it gets in the repos
[19:35] <LuckyTheTester2> Oh yeah
[19:36] <wxl> i know that sounds like a lot of work and it kind of is but you'll learn a lot along the way
[19:36] <LuckyTheTester2> I couldn't even figure out how to report a bug
[19:36] <wxl> including things that will ultimately be valuable to a career in computer science in general should you decide to go that route
[19:36] <LuckyTheTester2> Yes
[19:36] <wxl> so yeah we can help you a bit
[19:36] <LuckyTheTester2> Do you have a Carrer in Computer Science?
[19:37] <wxl> i have a rather unique job in a bicycle manufacturer. i mostly do sales but do some computery stuff, too. i've certainly been instrumental in making kubuntu our default desktop, though i prefer lubuntu at home
[19:38] <LuckyTheTester2> Oh
[19:38] <LuckyTheTester2> So your not Fifteen
[19:38] <LuckyTheTester2> Funny
[19:38] <LuckyTheTester2> :D
[19:38] <LuckyTheTester2> ...
[19:38] <wxl> hahahah nope :)
[19:38] <wxl> i am almost a father to a 15 year old :)
[19:38] <LuckyTheTester2> Then how old are you?
[19:38] <wxl> or i should say i *AM* a father to an almost 15 year old
[19:38] <wxl> i'm 40
[19:38] <LuckyTheTester2> WHOAH!
[19:38] <LuckyTheTester2> Well i'm not
[19:39] <wxl> it's all good
[19:39] <LuckyTheTester2> I'm like a little kid to you
[19:39] <wxl> anyone can be a contributor to ubuntu
[19:39] <LuckyTheTester2> Even an 11 year old
[19:39] <wxl> i mean tsimonq2's a wee lad himself
[19:39] <wxl> yep
[19:39] <wxl> but i'd say you need to be pretty self-motivated
[19:40] <LuckyTheTester2> Yes
[19:40] <LuckyTheTester2> Back then it was easy to learn how to code
[19:40] <LuckyTheTester2> Today, However not really
[19:40] <LuckyTheTester2> by my Knowledge
[19:40] <wxl> i wouldn't say that's entirely true
[19:40] <LuckyTheTester2> I'm so into the old days
[19:40] <wxl> i learned BASIC from an enormous 500 page manual that came with my Commodore 128
[19:40] <LuckyTheTester2> were Personal Computers were Created
[19:41] <LuckyTheTester2> Yeah
[19:41] <LuckyTheTester2> Today that's not like that.
[19:41] <wxl> but from that, i learned about very simple constructs such as conditionals that are practically universal in all languages
[19:41] <wxl> i experimented a lot
[19:41] <LuckyTheTester2> Wow!
[19:41] <wxl> but i had no one auornd me to help me
[19:41] <wxl> and i had no books i could find easily
[19:41] <LuckyTheTester2> Hmm...
[19:42] <LuckyTheTester2> But could you help me?
[19:42] <LuckyTheTester2> Please?
[19:42] <wxl> certainly no videos or tutorials online to watch
[19:42] <LuckyTheTester2> Well
[19:42] <LuckyTheTester2> There's one
[19:42] <wxl> there's TONS actually
[19:42] <LuckyTheTester2> I just want to do it from scratch
[19:42] <LuckyTheTester2> EXPERIMENT.
[19:42] <wxl> i have a list of them but need to renew the VPS so the website comes back up :)
[19:42] <wxl> so i'll get you that in the near future
[19:43] <LuckyTheTester2> I have a Queston
[19:43] <wxl> yep
[19:43] <LuckyTheTester2> Do you have any Ubuntu Beta Builds?
[19:43] <LuckyTheTester2> From LONG Ago
[19:43] <LuckyTheTester2> Maybe 2006
[19:43] <wxl> no
[19:43] <LuckyTheTester2> 2010?
[19:43] <wxl> i'm sure someone has them archived somewhere
[19:43] <LuckyTheTester2> Yeah
[19:43] <wxl> i only keep around what's not EoL
[19:43] <LuckyTheTester2> Like what?
[19:44] <wxl> precise, trusty, xenial, yakkety, zesty, artful
[19:44] <LuckyTheTester2> what about precise?
[19:44] <LuckyTheTester2> is that still supported
[19:44] <wxl> think so
[19:44] <wxl> !precise
[19:44] <wxl> nope XD
[19:44] <wxl> guess i need to delete those!
[19:45] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[19:45] <LuckyTheTester2> Wait
[19:45] <LuckyTheTester2> Could I have it
[19:45] <LuckyTheTester2> Please?
[19:46] <wxl> might still be around
[19:46] <LuckyTheTester2> But is it Somthing I could get from the Archive?
[19:46] <LuckyTheTester2> Or is it not on there
[19:46] <wxl> possibly
[19:46] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[19:46] <LuckyTheTester2> What about coding?
[19:47] <LuckyTheTester2> Should I try to modify Ubuntu?
[19:47] <LuckyTheTester2> Or start somewhere else?
[19:47] <wxl> yep still on ther ehttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/
[19:47] <wxl> if you want to help with ubuntu, i'd start with testing
[19:47] <wxl> if your real goal is to learn to code, i'd start with learning basic constructs
[19:48] <wxl> understand the logic, sturcture, and thinking required to program
[19:48] <wxl> the syntax is not THAT important. you'll pick that up over time
[19:48] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[19:48] <LuckyTheTester2> What Version?
[19:49] <wxl> huh?
[19:49] <LuckyTheTester2> Of Ubuntu?
[19:50] <wxl> what version to test?
[19:50] <LuckyTheTester2> Yes
[19:50] <wxl> the latest
[19:50] <LuckyTheTester2> and How?
[19:50] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[19:50] <wxl> let me give you a doc on it
[19:51] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[19:51] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[19:51] <LuckyTheTester2> Thanks!
[19:51] <wxl> np
[19:51] <wxl> you also may want to figure out how to idle here on irc
[19:52] <wxl> it's probably the #1 or #2 way communication happens in the ubuntu community
[19:52] <LuckyTheTester2> what?
[19:52] <wxl> i'd suggest registering your nick with nickserv
[19:52] <LuckyTheTester2> why?
[19:52] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[19:52] <wxl> getting an unaffiliated cloak with freenode
[19:53] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[19:53] <LuckyTheTester2> But I mean Modify Ubuntu
[19:53] <wxl> assuming you don't keep your computer on all the time, you could get a free linux/unix shell and use screen or tmux to run an irc client of your choosing non-stop (or you could use a bouncer), and disconnect/reconnect from it at will
[19:53] <wxl> the benefit will be that you won't miss anything
[19:54] <wxl> don't jump too far ahead with modifying ubuntu yet
[19:54] <wxl> like i said, you have some homework to do first
[19:54] <LuckyTheTester2> Oh..
[19:54] <LuckyTheTester2> But I want to modify Ubuntu
[19:54] <LuckyTheTester2> How do I?
[19:54] <wxl> start here: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/
[19:55] <LuckyTheTester2> thanks
[20:03] <LuckyTheTester2> Well
[20:03] <LuckyTheTester2> I'm going to help people on #Kubuntu
[20:03] <LuckyTheTester2> Bye
[20:05] <LuckyTheTester2> Hey wxl?
[20:06] <wxl> yep
[20:06] <LuckyTheTester2> Could you help me with Kubuntu
[20:06] <LuckyTheTester2> I want to get wine on it
[20:06] <wxl> !wine
[20:06] <LuckyTheTester2> I did, but I cant get it to work
[20:06] <wxl> there you go :)
 wxl: Don't recommend that God awful packaging guide... It's SUPER outdated
 Hai Lucky :)
[20:06] <wxl> note that includes a channel to go to if you need help
[20:07] <LuckyTheTester2> Thanks!
[20:07] <LuckyTheTester2> Hey!
[20:07] <wxl> tsimonq2: then you give him better links!
 Debian Policy Manual
 Debian New Maintainer Guide
[20:07] <LuckyTheTester2> Well
[20:07] <LuckyTheTester2> Hey tsimonq2?
[20:07] <LuckyTheTester2> Could you give ubuntu 12.04.5 an Update?
[20:08] <LuckyTheTester2> You could get into the Servers
[20:08] <LuckyTheTester2> And supply one more Security Update?
 I don't have access
 That's the point of EOL releases
[20:09] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[20:09] <LuckyTheTester2> What about past realeases?
 Why do you want an old version of Ubuntu anyways? :)
[20:09] <LuckyTheTester2> Well
[20:09] <LuckyTheTester2> I thought it would be cool
[20:09] <LuckyTheTester2> to take a look of the past
[20:09] <LuckyTheTester2> and plus maybe you could supply and Update for it
[20:10] <LuckyTheTester2> Non EOL Realeases
 Well, actually updating an EOL release is a bit useless because the whole stack is outdated
[20:10] <LuckyTheTester2> Well
[20:10] <lynorian> yes
[20:11] <LuckyTheTester2> Could you at least try?
[20:11] <LuckyTheTester2> Please?
[20:11] <LuckyTheTester2> It would be Pretty Cool
[20:11] <LuckyTheTester2> Actually.
 That's what new releases are for
 A new release is a copy of the old release, and people update newer software and fixes
[20:12] <LuckyTheTester2> Well
[20:12] <LuckyTheTester2> I want Older Software Sometimes
 So if you want to do development, the best place is the development release
[20:12] <LuckyTheTester2> Apply to Everyone
 Why is that?
[20:12] <LuckyTheTester2> Well
[20:12] <LuckyTheTester2> I'm bored
 What software do you need? ;)
[20:12] <LuckyTheTester2> Nothing
[20:12] <LuckyTheTester2> It just seems cool if you could do it.
[20:12] <lynorian> !info tpp
 So am I. Constantly. :P
 But I've been there and done that, Lucky
[20:13] <LuckyTheTester2> Which Realease?
 The best place to cure that boredom is to install, use, test, and help update the development release
 Well I played a bit with Ubuntu 10.04 at one point. I remember when it was still supported!
[20:14] <LuckyTheTester2> hey wxl
 I've released security updates to it
[20:14] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[20:14] <LuckyTheTester2> Hey
[20:14] <LuckyTheTester2> Can you modify Ubuntu/
[20:14] <LuckyTheTester2> ?
[20:15] <LuckyTheTester2> If you can could you rename it
 Yes, but as wxl said, homework needs to be done to know exactly what can be modified and how to modify it
 You can
[20:15] <LuckyTheTester2> But, But...
[20:16] <LuckyTheTester2> I don't know how to code
[20:16] <LuckyTheTester2> I was to lazy to read the article
[20:16] <LuckyTheTester2> It seems boring
[20:16] <LuckyTheTester2> Coding may be Boring, but it turns into something great!
 One quote to keep in the back of your head: you don't learn to code, you code to learn. The only way to learn how to code is to actually jump in and do it.
 Well you may be bored, but not everything in Linux is necessary bright and exciting
[20:17] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[20:17] <LuckyTheTester2> Ideed
[20:17] <LuckyTheTester2> indeed
 Hard work pays off if you have the motivation
 If you quit because it's bored, you get nowhere.
 And that's how life is in general
[20:18] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[20:18] <LuckyTheTester2> I copied that
 So before I rant further, I'd avoid having the mindset of boredom.  Because it's all in your head. Seriously. Only you can truly tell yourself what to do.
 :P
[20:19] <LuckyTheTester2> Very True
[20:19] <LuckyTheTester2> Let me work on it
[20:19] <LuckyTheTester2> Experiment
 OK. That's the spirit. :)
[20:20] <LuckyTheTester2> So
[20:20] <LuckyTheTester2> I'll copy the Ubuntu files to a Folder
[20:20] <LuckyTheTester2> then do it from there
[20:20] <LuckyTheTester2> Since I don't have the Proper Software to do it I think,
[20:20] <LuckyTheTester2> .
 So then tell me, what exactly are you copying?
[20:21] <LuckyTheTester2> Kubuntu 17.04
[20:21] <LuckyTheTester2> O wanted ubuntu though
[20:21] <LuckyTheTester2> I
[20:21] <LuckyTheTester2> I wanted ubuntu though
 OK, so what makes up Ubuntu?
[20:23] <LuckyTheTester2> Files
[20:23] <LuckyTheTester2> Code
[20:23] <LuckyTheTester2> Scratch.mit.edu is not code
 But there's a specific name
 Find that out ;)
[20:24] <LuckyTheTester2> That's what Ive been using for 2 Years
[20:24] <LuckyTheTester2> Everything within the ISO.
 What is the name for an application on the ISO?
[20:27] <LuckyTheTester2> Uh...
[20:28] <LuckyTheTester2> I don't know.
[20:31] <lynorian> woot the lubuntu-next desktop at least partly works in a vm
[20:34] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[20:36] <LuckyTheTester2> Hey Guys
[20:37] <LuckyTheTester2> What Distro of Ubuntu would you recommend for a Powerful Computer?
[20:37] <wxl> lubuntu. it uses the least resources so you can spend more of that running vms, rich graphics, whatever.
[20:37] <lynorian> yes
[20:38] <lynorian> or more chrome tabs
[20:40] <wxl> however someone may like all the bells and whistles that comes with e.g. kubuntu
[20:45] <lynorian> although we do need the installer to not say kubuntu in the window title on the lubuntu next image
[21:38] <LuckyTheTester2> Hey
[21:39] <LuckyTheTester2> are you there?
[21:40] <LuckyTheTester2> wxl?
[21:40] <LuckyTheTester2> are you there?