=== lynxorian is now known as lyn||ian [19:27] Hey Everyone! [19:28] wxl? [19:28] Are you on? [19:28] yep [19:28] Hey! [19:28] So I was wondering how to code. [19:28] and a few more things [19:29] but those are more fit for #kubuntu [19:29] yeah well that's not a small thing to deal with :) [19:29] Hmm... [19:29] do you know any languages at all? [19:29] I would like to help out wiith ubuntu or kubuntu [19:29] python sort-of. [19:29] on my Raspberry Pi. [19:30] well that's a start [19:30] Ok [19:30] Do you know how to code/ [19:30] ? [19:30] yep. i know a little bit of this and that [19:30] like [19:30] you could work on ubuntu [19:30] i started on basic [19:31] played with pascal for a bit [19:31] java [19:31] BASIC Programming Language? [19:31] python [19:31] clojure [19:31] woah! [19:31] common lisp [19:31] BASIC Is Pretty Old [19:31] a little bit of c and c++ [19:31] yep, i'm pretty old [19:31] Thats it [19:31] Oh [19:32] C and c++. [19:32] i don't see a lot fo differences between most languages beyond syntax [19:32] though functional languages like clojure are a bit of a paradigm shigt [19:32] ! [19:32] ... [19:32] Ok... [19:33] so in order to contribute code to ubuntu in general, i would suggest starting with testing [19:33] understand the systems you are helping with very clearly [19:33] know how to diagnose and troubleshoot things [19:34] know who to ask and where to find information [19:34] Ok [19:34] once you've got that, i'd move on to learning about version control systems (especially git, which is more and more becoming the standard EVERYWHERE) [19:34] then you can work on packaging [19:34] Ok [19:34] So [19:34] Could you help me start? [19:35] as part of testing, i'd include bug triaging, troubleshooting, etc [19:35] by the time you get through all that, you'll be able to look at a bug, confirm it's legitimate, find where the problem is, propose a solution, and walk it through the system so it gets in the repos [19:35] Oh yeah [19:36] i know that sounds like a lot of work and it kind of is but you'll learn a lot along the way [19:36] I couldn't even figure out how to report a bug [19:36] including things that will ultimately be valuable to a career in computer science in general should you decide to go that route [19:36] Yes [19:36] so yeah we can help you a bit [19:36] Do you have a Carrer in Computer Science? [19:37] i have a rather unique job in a bicycle manufacturer. i mostly do sales but do some computery stuff, too. i've certainly been instrumental in making kubuntu our default desktop, though i prefer lubuntu at home [19:38] Oh [19:38] So your not Fifteen [19:38] Funny [19:38] :D [19:38] ... [19:38] hahahah nope :) [19:38] i am almost a father to a 15 year old :) [19:38] Then how old are you? [19:38] or i should say i *AM* a father to an almost 15 year old [19:38] i'm 40 [19:38] WHOAH! [19:38] Well i'm not [19:39] it's all good [19:39] I'm like a little kid to you [19:39] anyone can be a contributor to ubuntu [19:39] Even an 11 year old [19:39] i mean tsimonq2's a wee lad himself [19:39] yep [19:39] but i'd say you need to be pretty self-motivated [19:40] Yes [19:40] Back then it was easy to learn how to code [19:40] Today, However not really [19:40] by my Knowledge [19:40] i wouldn't say that's entirely true [19:40] I'm so into the old days [19:40] i learned BASIC from an enormous 500 page manual that came with my Commodore 128 [19:40] were Personal Computers were Created [19:41] Yeah [19:41] Today that's not like that. [19:41] but from that, i learned about very simple constructs such as conditionals that are practically universal in all languages [19:41] i experimented a lot [19:41] Wow! [19:41] but i had no one auornd me to help me [19:41] and i had no books i could find easily [19:41] Hmm... [19:42] But could you help me? [19:42] Please? [19:42] certainly no videos or tutorials online to watch [19:42] Well [19:42] There's one [19:42] there's TONS actually [19:42] I just want to do it from scratch [19:42] EXPERIMENT. [19:42] i have a list of them but need to renew the VPS so the website comes back up :) [19:42] so i'll get you that in the near future [19:43] I have a Queston [19:43] yep [19:43] Do you have any Ubuntu Beta Builds? [19:43] From LONG Ago [19:43] Maybe 2006 [19:43] no [19:43] 2010? [19:43] i'm sure someone has them archived somewhere [19:43] Yeah [19:43] i only keep around what's not EoL [19:43] Like what? [19:44] precise, trusty, xenial, yakkety, zesty, artful [19:44] what about precise? [19:44] is that still supported [19:44] think so [19:44] !precise [19:44] Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) was the sixteenth release of Ubuntu. !End-of-life was April 28th 2017. See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2017-April/003833.html for more information [19:44] nope XD [19:44] guess i need to delete those! [19:45] Ok [19:45] Wait [19:45] Could I have it [19:45] Please? [19:46] might still be around [19:46] But is it Somthing I could get from the Archive? [19:46] Or is it not on there [19:46] possibly [19:46] Ok [19:46] What about coding? [19:47] Should I try to modify Ubuntu? [19:47] Or start somewhere else? [19:47] yep still on ther ehttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/ [19:47] if you want to help with ubuntu, i'd start with testing [19:47] if your real goal is to learn to code, i'd start with learning basic constructs [19:48] understand the logic, sturcture, and thinking required to program [19:48] the syntax is not THAT important. you'll pick that up over time [19:48] Ok [19:48] What Version? [19:49] huh? [19:49] Of Ubuntu? [19:50] what version to test? [19:50] Yes [19:50] the latest [19:50] and How? [19:50] Ok [19:50] let me give you a doc on it [19:51] Ok [19:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing [19:51] Thanks! [19:51] np [19:51] you also may want to figure out how to idle here on irc [19:52] it's probably the #1 or #2 way communication happens in the ubuntu community [19:52] what? [19:52] i'd suggest registering your nick with nickserv [19:52] why? [19:52] Ok [19:52] getting an unaffiliated cloak with freenode [19:53] Ok [19:53] But I mean Modify Ubuntu [19:53] assuming you don't keep your computer on all the time, you could get a free linux/unix shell and use screen or tmux to run an irc client of your choosing non-stop (or you could use a bouncer), and disconnect/reconnect from it at will [19:53] the benefit will be that you won't miss anything [19:54] don't jump too far ahead with modifying ubuntu yet [19:54] like i said, you have some homework to do first [19:54] Oh.. [19:54] But I want to modify Ubuntu [19:54] How do I? [19:54] start here: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ [19:55] thanks [20:03] Well [20:03] I'm going to help people on #Kubuntu [20:03] Bye [20:05] Hey wxl? [20:06] yep [20:06] Could you help me with Kubuntu [20:06] I want to get wine on it [20:06] !wine [20:06] WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu [20:06] I did, but I cant get it to work [20:06] there you go :) [20:06] wxl: Don't recommend that God awful packaging guide... It's SUPER outdated [20:06] Hai Lucky :) [20:06] note that includes a channel to go to if you need help [20:07] Thanks! [20:07] Hey! [20:07] tsimonq2: then you give him better links! [20:07] Debian Policy Manual [20:07] Debian New Maintainer Guide [20:07] Well [20:07] Hey tsimonq2? [20:07] Could you give ubuntu 12.04.5 an Update? [20:08] You could get into the Servers [20:08] And supply one more Security Update? [20:08] I don't have access [20:09] That's the point of EOL releases [20:09] Ok [20:09] What about past realeases? [20:09] Why do you want an old version of Ubuntu anyways? :) [20:09] Well [20:09] I thought it would be cool [20:09] to take a look of the past [20:09] and plus maybe you could supply and Update for it [20:10] Non EOL Realeases [20:10] Well, actually updating an EOL release is a bit useless because the whole stack is outdated [20:10] Well [20:10] yes [20:11] Could you at least try? [20:11] Please? [20:11] It would be Pretty Cool [20:11] Actually. [20:11] That's what new releases are for [20:11] A new release is a copy of the old release, and people update newer software and fixes [20:12] Well [20:12] I want Older Software Sometimes [20:12] So if you want to do development, the best place is the development release [20:12] Apply to Everyone [20:12] Why is that? [20:12] Well [20:12] I'm bored [20:12] What software do you need? ;) [20:12] Nothing [20:12] It just seems cool if you could do it. [20:12] !info tpp [20:12] So am I. Constantly. :P [20:13] tpp (source: tpp): text presentation program. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.1-5 (artful), package size 35 kB, installed size 154 kB [20:13] But I've been there and done that, Lucky [20:13] Which Realease? [20:13] The best place to cure that boredom is to install, use, test, and help update the development release [20:14] Well I played a bit with Ubuntu 10.04 at one point. I remember when it was still supported! [20:14] hey wxl [20:14] I've released security updates to it [20:14] Ok [20:14] Hey [20:14] Can you modify Ubuntu/ [20:14] ? [20:15] If you can could you rename it [20:15] Yes, but as wxl said, homework needs to be done to know exactly what can be modified and how to modify it [20:15] You can [20:15] But, But... [20:16] I don't know how to code [20:16] I was to lazy to read the article [20:16] It seems boring [20:16] Coding may be Boring, but it turns into something great! [20:16] One quote to keep in the back of your head: you don't learn to code, you code to learn. The only way to learn how to code is to actually jump in and do it. [20:17] Well you may be bored, but not everything in Linux is necessary bright and exciting [20:17] Ok [20:17] Ideed [20:17] indeed [20:17] Hard work pays off if you have the motivation [20:17] If you quit because it's bored, you get nowhere. [20:18] And that's how life is in general [20:18] Ok [20:18] I copied that [20:18] So before I rant further, I'd avoid having the mindset of boredom. Because it's all in your head. Seriously. Only you can truly tell yourself what to do. [20:18] :P [20:19] Very True [20:19] Let me work on it [20:19] Experiment [20:19] OK. That's the spirit. :) [20:20] So [20:20] I'll copy the Ubuntu files to a Folder [20:20] then do it from there [20:20] Since I don't have the Proper Software to do it I think, [20:20] . [20:20] So then tell me, what exactly are you copying? [20:21] Kubuntu 17.04 [20:21] O wanted ubuntu though [20:21] I [20:21] I wanted ubuntu though [20:23] OK, so what makes up Ubuntu? [20:23] Files [20:23] Code [20:23] Scratch.mit.edu is not code [20:24] But there's a specific name [20:24] Find that out ;) [20:24] That's what Ive been using for 2 Years [20:24] Everything within the ISO. [20:26] What is the name for an application on the ISO? [20:27] Uh... [20:28] I don't know. [20:31] woot the lubuntu-next desktop at least partly works in a vm [20:34] Ok [20:36] Hey Guys [20:37] What Distro of Ubuntu would you recommend for a Powerful Computer? [20:37] lubuntu. it uses the least resources so you can spend more of that running vms, rich graphics, whatever. [20:37] yes [20:38] or more chrome tabs [20:40] however someone may like all the bells and whistles that comes with e.g. kubuntu [20:45] although we do need the installer to not say kubuntu in the window title on the lubuntu next image [21:38] Hey [21:39] are you there? [21:40] wxl? [21:40] are you there?